Correction: over a million, on launch day They also said that number was growing rapidly. They never released an official number. I'm sure they will do that as soon as it slows down a bit.
I doubt that it will be under 2 million, but we will see.
Correction: over a million, on launch day They also said that number was growing rapidly. They never released an official number. I'm sure they will do that as soon as it slows down a bit.
I doubt that it will be under 2 million, but we will see.
they annouced "one million registered players for SWTOR" but this is same thing rift did it doesn't mean one million players just means one million people registered accounts for the game.. for Rift it included all pre-orders and such even if they were cancelled.. so honestly it could be lot less or it could be little more either way doesn't matter much till we so how many people actually subscribe to the game next month..
I'm sorry but I can't take anything you say seriously when your supporting a piss poor game like Vanguard, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
While I may agree with you that OP is borderline trolling and his posts are overly dramatic and argumentative I will strongly disagree with you on Vanguard. Many people regard Vanguard as the best MMO to release since EQ1 but sadly a game that was not supported with new content. A game with almost limitless potential but sadly never got a chance to fill that potential.
The OP 's post makes a decent argument for many of the problems veteran EQ1/VG//UO type MMO players have with ToR. But its so argumentative and arrogant the point is lost. Many people dislike ToR quite strongly and consider it a very poor game. Of all the people I know who played Tor beta or open beta, probably close to 40-50, only two purchased the game. Most simply hate it for similar treasons expressed by the OP. I am a bit indifferent. I appreciate that its a well made game for what it is but I have no desire to play it. Foe me, Tor plays and feels like a single player game. A well made one but if I want to play a single player game i can just play skyrim or wait for D3.
But despite my lack of desire to play ToR I am quite happy with ToR. After so many poorly made over hyped releases its nice to see a well made game release even if its not for me. A well made, mostly polished, successful and hopefully wel supported game is good for the genre as a whole. We have seen so many hit and run jobs of late with Vanguard, Ao and Warhammer refusing to support and update their games. Games like AoC being designed only for box sales and not for quality or the long run. Games like ToR and Rift are good for the genre even if one does not like the design or gameplay.
I do not like the pathalogical hate for ToR or other games that we see on these forums. It s just not healthy.. But, I think a large part of the problem are the oR fanboys. They are out of control, full of ridoculous statements and quite annoying. What makes matters worse are the fanboys are generally made up of the new geenration of MMO players that many old time players simply hate and blame for ruining the genre. If the fanboys were simply nt everywhere shouting down any legitimate criticism or concern I think we would see less angry posts like the one made by the OP.
I think the OP is dead on. My guess is that the OP is a veteran MMO player (especially in the theme-park category). The game is exactly what he says it is and Ill shorten his explanation to one line...same old, same old.
If you've played MMO's before, you've played this game. I love how the staunch supporters of the game say that the quests are not the same as other MMO's. No they aren't....they even more blatently grindy and linear. Sure you get to hear some nobody tell you that there is some kind of monster doing something to the foliage, or some kinda enemy shacked up in an abandoned house nearby, but you are still going to kill x of y or collect x from y the entire ride to endgame. No difference at all.
I digress though, I do believe there are several different sub-genres in the MMO world and I think that certain people like certain kinds. Story-telling has always been something I care nothing about, but I realize that many do. This game will be fun and refreshing for them. It is not for me and won't be for many others. That causes a problem to arrise that only a game as good as EVE has been able to escape and come out unscathed. This game is a "niche" game and will only be liked by certain people....sure they sold 2 trillion copies at launch, but launch is not what dictates an MMO's success. It's sustainability....we'll see in the coming months how sustainable a Niche game can really be.
If story is what makes a RPG, why does is Skrym considered the best CRPG launched on last years?
The story sucks, but surely it has an awesome world.
Different people enjoy different things. I thought that I could never care less about the story but I love it n SWTOR. Then again I'm a casual these days and take this game as a casual
Amen, with regards to the Skyrim reference - I asked a friend to show me what was so awesome about Skyrim - He loaded up the game and started running around in a field hunting sheep or something. I was not impressed.
It is not easy to make mmorpgames to players that already have played other mmorpgames.
Or the game truly feels innovative and has something to grab the vet gamer, or devs will have to settle with new gamers to the genre and fans of the IP. If SWTOR fails to bring something new or something that could grab vet gamers, and the main core of fans of this game is composed by new players in the genre, mixed with fans of the Star Wars franchise, and you can throw in also players that never have played EvE hehehe (*grimm smile), then you have to tolerate both extremes of the gamers reviewing ratings and opinions.
Many will love it, many will hate it and from what ive read in a couple of sites, many will say "Meh!"
If story is what makes a RPG, why does is Skrym considered the best CRPG launched on last years?
The story sucks, but surely it has an awesome world.
Different people enjoy different things. I thought that I could never care less about the story but I love it n SWTOR. Then again I'm a casual these days and take this game as a casual
Thats not my point. People may like whatever element pleases more in a game. But its just not true that just story is what makes a good RPG
Amen, with regards to the Skyrim reference - I asked a friend to show me what was so awesome about Skyrim - He loaded up the game and started running around in a field hunting sheep or something. I was not impressed.
To be fair...
The advantage of Skyrim is that you have the freedom to do many different things. This includes doing incredibly dull things like running around hunting goats.
But it also includes things like becoming a werewolf, fighting dragons, learning magical spells, rising to leadership in several organizations, assassinating political figures, etc. etc.
If your friend chose to present Skyrim as a game where you run around and hunt goats (I don't think sheep are in the game), then I can see why you would not be impressed lol .
"Milions of people can't be wrong" and "get the facts right " (without actually stating them) could very well describe the fanboy community of swtor on these forums.
Really? You want proof that Bioware doesn't have their engineers and programmers write the story. REALLY?
Please read the rest of the thread peelajaa. Don't lump yourself in with the Op on this one, because he is sorely mistaken.
Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing. They only have info on movies, tv shows, video games. These people are all experienced professional writers.
If you havent made it past 30, you havent experienced the combat in the game properly.
When I first played WoW as a mage I just spammed fireball, doesnt mean thats what you do at the end game. In SWTOR you wont even have your full arsenal of skills in your teens, nor any major skill point investment.
Once you get past 30 the combat kicks in and the worlds get more challenging. Up until then its just training wheels that you can get past in a day or two.
Please read the rest of the thread peelajaa. Don't lump yourself in with the Op on this one, because he is sorely mistaken.
Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing. They only have info on movies, tv shows, video games. These people are all experienced professional writers.
I did read through all the thread and I think, althought meritfully, you're trying to make the writers more than they really are.
These people are doing their first MMO, some of them have experienced single player game story writing earlier but that's it. It's not necessarily a bad move, but somehow I just can't get a movie title "Springtime for Hitler" from my head. Cash in, cash out.
I will never find out what will the rest of the story be like, but my experience from the beta and it's story below lvl 20 couldn't have been more MMORPG -cliché disguised to Star Wars. While I recognize it's just what a true MMO-SW fan want's I also realize it wont carry, specially because it's forced to you in form of VO.
Please read the rest of the thread peelajaa. Don't lump yourself in with the Op on this one, because he is sorely mistaken.
Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing. They only have info on movies, tv shows, video games. These people are all experienced professional writers.
I did read through all the thread and I think, althought meritfully, you're trying to make the writers more than they really are.
These people are doing their first MMO, some of them have experienced single player game story writing earlier but that's it. It's not necessarily a bad move, but somehow I just can't get a movie title "Springtime for Hitler" from my head. Cash in, cash out.
I will never find out what will the rest of the story be like, but my experience from the beta and it's story below lvl 20 couldn't have been more MMORPG -cliché disguised to Star Wars. While I recognize it's just what a true MMO-SW fan want's I also realize it wont carry, specially because it's forced to you in form of VO.
Well I will say this in SWTOR's defense. It's not all bad.
I've noticed that the quality of the storylines varies DRASTICALLY between classes. For example, I played a Jedi Knight in beta, and its storyline basically bored me to tears. It felt like a chore to slog through the storyline, and I basically decided not to buy the game at that point.
But then my friend coaxed me into getting it, saying that some of the Imperial classes had decent storylines, and I tried a Sith Inquisitor. I have to say it was like night and day, I actually found the Inquisitor's storyline pretty interesting, at least thus far (level 16).
If you havent made it past 30, you havent experienced the combat in the game properly.
When I first played WoW as a mage I just spammed fireball, doesnt mean thats what you do at the end game. In SWTOR you wont even have your full arsenal of skills in your teens, nor any major skill point investment.
Once you get past 30 the combat kicks in and the worlds get more challenging. Up until then its just training wheels that you can get past in a day or two.
So in order to experience good combat in SWTOR you must get above lvl 30...that's a damn shame.
Though you could be right I only made it to level 27
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You do know that IMDB.com is user editted content like wikipedia, right?
Meaning, any person with an IMDB account can edit content at will and that the entire site is user populated information. Using IMDB as your main source of argument is like writing a term paper with information from wikipedia. You don't have any bloody clue if that information is true or not.
I can go in and add "Cheese is Freaking Awesome" to every single page and all of a sudden it becomes interwebs fact.
Aside from that, I hated SWTOR in beta, and decided to give it another chance after a buddy of mine became completely enraptured with the game. The other reason. Posts like the OPs. The pure hatred for anything to do with this game. I personally love it now after giving it a couple days of play.
Is SWTOR innovative? No.
Is SWTOR revolutionary? No.
Is SWTOR a WoW clone with lightsabers? More or less.
You know what makes this game fun? Being able to go VOOOOMMM everytime I Force Leap into a pack of mobs and slaughter them where they stand, and for once in an MMO, I actually care about my character. I couldn't give two shits about any of the other hundreds of characters I've played across the MMO Universe. All of a sudden the toon I am play has some freaking depth for once.
Not everyone is going to love or even like this game. If you don't like it, don't play it. There are 541 other games that you can go play. Pick one.
Cute little flame war you guys got going. Sorry to crash it but....
You are all idiots for thinking that IMDB would list everything someone has done throughout their entire career. IMDB is missing tons of information and I would not trust its completeness except for the exceptionally famous.
Doubt you guys can continue to fact check without 1 website so gg
Cute little flame war you guys got going. Sorry to crash it but....
You are all idiots for thinking that IMDB would list everything someone has done throughout their entire career. IMDB is missing tons of information and I would not trust its completeness except for the exceptionally famous.
Doubt you guys can continue to fact check without 1 website so gg
This is an MMO forum where haters will hate.
Facts and rational discussion will usually not stand in the way in their blind hatred for game XYZ.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Cute little flame war you guys got going. Sorry to crash it but....
You are all idiots for thinking that IMDB would list everything someone has done throughout their entire career. IMDB is missing tons of information and I would not trust its completeness except for the exceptionally famous.
Doubt you guys can continue to fact check without 1 website so gg
This is an MMO forum where haters will hate.
Facts and rational discussion will usually not stand in the way in their blind hatred for game XYZ.
The OP made a false claim about the writers, got shown up for it, and continued to run their mouth.
Simply mind boggling.
When you make a claim, and are shown you are wrong, you are supposed to own up to it, and then proceed to STFU.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Cute little flame war you guys got going. Sorry to crash it but....
You are all idiots for thinking that IMDB would list everything someone has done throughout their entire career. IMDB is missing tons of information and I would not trust its completeness except for the exceptionally famous.
Doubt you guys can continue to fact check without 1 website so gg
That's what I've been saying this whole time. Read my posts.
The only reason IMDB kept getting brought up was because the OP latched onto it like it is the be-all end-all of looking up someones writing accomplishments.
I have posted links from several other sources, such as LinkedIn and the one showing the books that they have written. Check my posts, I have several sources.
The only reason I even provided a link to IMDB in the first place was to display a list of the writers that worked on SWTOR, but to be honest, even those IMDB links he was going on about were enough to disprove his claim that bioware didn't hire any professional writers, and the programmers wrote the story.
Perhaps you should read the whole thread, and see all of the sources I have used.
To be clear here: The OP claimed that SWTOR wasn't written by professional writers. I provided evidence from several sources to disprove that. Your claim of "fact checking with 1 website" is simply wrong.
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I doubt that it will be under 2 million, but we will see.
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they annouced "one million registered players for SWTOR" but this is same thing rift did it doesn't mean one million players just means one million people registered accounts for the game.. for Rift it included all pre-orders and such even if they were cancelled.. so honestly it could be lot less or it could be little more either way doesn't matter much till we so how many people actually subscribe to the game next month..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
While I may agree with you that OP is borderline trolling and his posts are overly dramatic and argumentative I will strongly disagree with you on Vanguard. Many people regard Vanguard as the best MMO to release since EQ1 but sadly a game that was not supported with new content. A game with almost limitless potential but sadly never got a chance to fill that potential.
The OP 's post makes a decent argument for many of the problems veteran EQ1/VG//UO type MMO players have with ToR. But its so argumentative and arrogant the point is lost. Many people dislike ToR quite strongly and consider it a very poor game. Of all the people I know who played Tor beta or open beta, probably close to 40-50, only two purchased the game. Most simply hate it for similar treasons expressed by the OP. I am a bit indifferent. I appreciate that its a well made game for what it is but I have no desire to play it. Foe me, Tor plays and feels like a single player game. A well made one but if I want to play a single player game i can just play skyrim or wait for D3.
But despite my lack of desire to play ToR I am quite happy with ToR. After so many poorly made over hyped releases its nice to see a well made game release even if its not for me. A well made, mostly polished, successful and hopefully wel supported game is good for the genre as a whole. We have seen so many hit and run jobs of late with Vanguard, Ao and Warhammer refusing to support and update their games. Games like AoC being designed only for box sales and not for quality or the long run. Games like ToR and Rift are good for the genre even if one does not like the design or gameplay.
I do not like the pathalogical hate for ToR or other games that we see on these forums. It s just not healthy.. But, I think a large part of the problem are the oR fanboys. They are out of control, full of ridoculous statements and quite annoying. What makes matters worse are the fanboys are generally made up of the new geenration of MMO players that many old time players simply hate and blame for ruining the genre. If the fanboys were simply nt everywhere shouting down any legitimate criticism or concern I think we would see less angry posts like the one made by the OP.
I think the OP is dead on. My guess is that the OP is a veteran MMO player (especially in the theme-park category). The game is exactly what he says it is and Ill shorten his explanation to one line...same old, same old.
If you've played MMO's before, you've played this game. I love how the staunch supporters of the game say that the quests are not the same as other MMO's. No they aren't....they even more blatently grindy and linear. Sure you get to hear some nobody tell you that there is some kind of monster doing something to the foliage, or some kinda enemy shacked up in an abandoned house nearby, but you are still going to kill x of y or collect x from y the entire ride to endgame. No difference at all.
I digress though, I do believe there are several different sub-genres in the MMO world and I think that certain people like certain kinds. Story-telling has always been something I care nothing about, but I realize that many do. This game will be fun and refreshing for them. It is not for me and won't be for many others. That causes a problem to arrise that only a game as good as EVE has been able to escape and come out unscathed. This game is a "niche" game and will only be liked by certain people....sure they sold 2 trillion copies at launch, but launch is not what dictates an MMO's success. It's sustainability....we'll see in the coming months how sustainable a Niche game can really be.
As someone who has well over 50 hours in the game, I can say the OP stated lots of misinformation. Really, really bad review imo.
If story is what makes a RPG, why does is Skrym considered the best CRPG launched on last years?
The story sucks, but surely it has an awesome world.
Actually, Skyrim has a pretty good story too. So yes...story does make a good RPG.
Amen, with regards to the Skyrim reference - I asked a friend to show me what was so awesome about Skyrim - He loaded up the game and started running around in a field hunting sheep or something. I was not impressed.
It is not easy to make mmorpgames to players that already have played other mmorpgames.
Or the game truly feels innovative and has something to grab the vet gamer, or devs will have to settle with new gamers to the genre and fans of the IP. If SWTOR fails to bring something new or something that could grab vet gamers, and the main core of fans of this game is composed by new players in the genre, mixed with fans of the Star Wars franchise, and you can throw in also players that never have played EvE hehehe (*grimm smile), then you have to tolerate both extremes of the gamers reviewing ratings and opinions.
Many will love it, many will hate it and from what ive read in a couple of sites, many will say "Meh!"
Thats not my point. People may like whatever element pleases more in a game. But its just not true that just story is what makes a good RPG
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To be fair...
The advantage of Skyrim is that you have the freedom to do many different things. This includes doing incredibly dull things like running around hunting goats.
But it also includes things like becoming a werewolf, fighting dragons, learning magical spells, rising to leadership in several organizations, assassinating political figures, etc. etc.
If your friend chose to present Skyrim as a game where you run around and hunt goats (I don't think sheep are in the game), then I can see why you would not be impressed lol
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Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I skimmed through the people in IMDB and few of them have experience from single player game stories, for most this is the 1st merit.
His point about amateur movie story makers still stays valid. Mr. Boll did better voice overs than this bunch :P
Please read the rest of the thread peelajaa. Don't lump yourself in with the Op on this one, because he is sorely mistaken.
Again, IMDB doesn't report on very many forms of writing. They only have info on movies, tv shows, video games. These people are all experienced professional writers.
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If you havent made it past 30, you havent experienced the combat in the game properly.
When I first played WoW as a mage I just spammed fireball, doesnt mean thats what you do at the end game. In SWTOR you wont even have your full arsenal of skills in your teens, nor any major skill point investment.
Once you get past 30 the combat kicks in and the worlds get more challenging. Up until then its just training wheels that you can get past in a day or two.
I did read through all the thread and I think, althought meritfully, you're trying to make the writers more than they really are.
These people are doing their first MMO, some of them have experienced single player game story writing earlier but that's it. It's not necessarily a bad move, but somehow I just can't get a movie title "Springtime for Hitler" from my head. Cash in, cash out.
I will never find out what will the rest of the story be like, but my experience from the beta and it's story below lvl 20 couldn't have been more MMORPG -cliché disguised to Star Wars. While I recognize it's just what a true MMO-SW fan want's I also realize it wont carry, specially because it's forced to you in form of VO.
Well I will say this in SWTOR's defense. It's not all bad.
I've noticed that the quality of the storylines varies DRASTICALLY between classes. For example, I played a Jedi Knight in beta, and its storyline basically bored me to tears. It felt like a chore to slog through the storyline, and I basically decided not to buy the game at that point.
But then my friend coaxed me into getting it, saying that some of the Imperial classes had decent storylines, and I tried a Sith Inquisitor. I have to say it was like night and day, I actually found the Inquisitor's storyline pretty interesting, at least thus far (level 16).
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
So in order to experience good combat in SWTOR you must get above lvl 30...that's a damn shame.
Though you could be right I only made it to level 27
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
You do know that IMDB.com is user editted content like wikipedia, right?
Meaning, any person with an IMDB account can edit content at will and that the entire site is user populated information. Using IMDB as your main source of argument is like writing a term paper with information from wikipedia. You don't have any bloody clue if that information is true or not.
I can go in and add "Cheese is Freaking Awesome" to every single page and all of a sudden it becomes interwebs fact.
Aside from that, I hated SWTOR in beta, and decided to give it another chance after a buddy of mine became completely enraptured with the game. The other reason. Posts like the OPs. The pure hatred for anything to do with this game. I personally love it now after giving it a couple days of play.
Is SWTOR innovative? No.
Is SWTOR revolutionary? No.
Is SWTOR a WoW clone with lightsabers? More or less.
You know what makes this game fun? Being able to go VOOOOMMM everytime I Force Leap into a pack of mobs and slaughter them where they stand, and for once in an MMO, I actually care about my character. I couldn't give two shits about any of the other hundreds of characters I've played across the MMO Universe. All of a sudden the toon I am play has some freaking depth for once.
Not everyone is going to love or even like this game. If you don't like it, don't play it. There are 541 other games that you can go play. Pick one.
*sigh*
Cute little flame war you guys got going. Sorry to crash it but....
You are all idiots for thinking that IMDB would list everything someone has done throughout their entire career. IMDB is missing tons of information and I would not trust its completeness except for the exceptionally famous.
Doubt you guys can continue to fact check without 1 website so gg
This is an MMO forum where haters will hate.
Facts and rational discussion will usually not stand in the way in their blind hatred for game XYZ.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
The OP made a false claim about the writers, got shown up for it, and continued to run their mouth.
Simply mind boggling.
When you make a claim, and are shown you are wrong, you are supposed to own up to it, and then proceed to STFU.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
That's what I've been saying this whole time. Read my posts.
The only reason IMDB kept getting brought up was because the OP latched onto it like it is the be-all end-all of looking up someones writing accomplishments.
I have posted links from several other sources, such as LinkedIn and the one showing the books that they have written. Check my posts, I have several sources.
The only reason I even provided a link to IMDB in the first place was to display a list of the writers that worked on SWTOR, but to be honest, even those IMDB links he was going on about were enough to disprove his claim that bioware didn't hire any professional writers, and the programmers wrote the story.
Perhaps you should read the whole thread, and see all of the sources I have used.
To be clear here: The OP claimed that SWTOR wasn't written by professional writers. I provided evidence from several sources to disprove that. Your claim of "fact checking with 1 website" is simply wrong.
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