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I played it, didn't like it so I'm expressing my thoughts on mmorpg when I feel like a topic requires it. It's just my opinion.
Do I have to continuously play it in order to be able to post about it?
or even better.. do I have to play it and like it in order to post about it?
..Cake..
/agree .. I think everyone just needs to take a deep breath. Many folks coming on here with negative thoughts and many with positive thoughts....
My hope is that those playing and enjoying SWTOR think less about defending the game and more about explaining how they are enjoying it and what they like... I think that people reading the forums that maybe have not tried the game yet would appreciate hearing that and it would certainly quickly expose those that are just bashing for bashings sake... rahter than stating honest opinions about their experience..
Discussion is good, ALL opinions help us ALL !
Actually I did refresh my memory by looking over some of my previous posts.. it's not as repetitive as you make it out to be and most certainly not disruptive. It's always on topic and I don't take too kindly to you exagerating just to make your point. However I do fall under the highleted text part that Mike mentioned... it's kind of hard not to really.. unless you say something once and move on... which is pretty pointless in a conversation that brings up the same point over and over again.
As for being constructive, I don't know what else you expect from someone who dislikes a game. Am I supposed to analyze it and produce a report of how I came to the conclusions I came to?
Anyway.. I'll be off since I wouldn't like to get banned.
..Cake..
It isn't the case, but neither is the absolute deletion of all negative posts, which probably isn't what you think you are proposing, but is what it will ultimately amount to. The reason the rule isn't followed up on as closely as some think it should be is because it is a very slippery slope. Things can quickly get out of hand if you suddenly tell someone that they now have the power to get someone banned, simply because they think that the poster might be disagreeing with them on the same point more than once.
Rules like that should affect both sides if they are to be balanced in any way, else you quickly get the orgasmic fans going on power trips, and trying to eradicate anyone who objects to their point of view.
Simply because you believe that you are the moderator to end all moderators does not give you license to mock and bait posters under the banner of reform. It is entertaining, but ultimately futile and played out: any forum will have a number of like-minded individuals masquerading as revolutionaries and saviors. For the vast majority of them, the reality is that they are just trolls who skirt the boundaries of the forum rules, refining their craft with each temp ban.
If you want a fans only forum, then why aren't you sticking to the official one? Is that not moderated sufficiently to hide the bad and only show the good? As long as people keep on making thread after thread of positive only posts, there will be people that remind people that TOR is not the land of milk and honey that some people would like to make all others believe.
There is no more reason to ban the negative only posters than there is to ban the positive only posters. If they're being negative for the sake of being negative then they're probably banned already. If they have a point, they have a point, and are free to make it.
This, and it is not just the game that people consistantly bash here, it is also the players... all the players. A certain level of mutual respect would be nice...
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
I wonder if Mike B likes to be the title of a forum thread
Might want to pm instead. Most websites dont like it if you address moderators using forumthreads.
Don't ban me bro
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
The same probably goes for positive posts, no? Creating a new thread is so easy. If someone starts a nice and positive thread, it shows up on the main page, pushing down threads that already contain negative comments, and bam there they are again! Negative comments in my positively started thread! Oh no! Ban them! Ban them all!
Frustrating isn't it? If you want to wipe the forums of people who do not like TOR and respect freedom of speech then I think you have a difficult task ahead of you.
Have you ever noticed how often a poster is fully justified in (whatever he favors posting), but the other guys just aren't?
This applies to both teams.
Welcome to the internet.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Its not so much the negative posts I object to in these forums its people that come on here with an account they have just created to troll a game . Its quite damaging to the mmo genre in general given the amount of people that visit this site . Recently a thread did get banned but it had been reported for several days had several people in it asking for it to be taken down and I can only assume several mods looked at it and did nothing . This calls into question the impartiality of the mods that did so and how effective mmorpg.com moderation is .
My suggestion is not to allow someone to start up a new thread untill they have made a total of 50 posts on mmorpg.com . This would deter the type of trolling we've seen to some degree . Maybe make using the words WoW clone bannable too .
Its quite easy to see a troll thread a lot of the time and I know theres a lot of different game threads to police but when a games just been released or just about to be released it should be a priority espeacially when Mike B wrote an article calling on Bioware to lift its NDA . (which is around the time the thread I mentioned earlier appeared) .
This thread will most likly be locked or deleted because mods never like to be cristised .
But in my opinion for what its worth they need new mods .
It'd put a pretty big dent in the obvious alt trolling, too.
But sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. No particular good reason to screw a new user just because a troubled few are unable to cease crusading.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Let people talk whatever they want about any game, including swtor. Of course, without namecalling and all that.
That alone would be a refreshing change. :P
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Some forums dont let you start new threads until you reach a certain "Rank", this ranks are achieved by time since account creation and / or posting on others thread. Maybe we can have same thing here, doesnt look like a bad idea at all.
haha, thats cause i'm making fun of this pointless thread and op's idea of free speech.
private boards here, no first amendment. Go out on the street if you want that right :P
Most new users comment on other peoples threads anyway . It wouldn't take them long to be able to be able to start thier own genunine threads but its it would be a pretty big deterent for people who want to troll . Think about it you have to make 50 posts to start a trolling thread and that thread gets banned within a day or two and so does the account you've made . You have to go through another 50 post on a new account before you can start a new troll thread again only to see that deleted and banned . Not many people would do this more than a couple of times before they get bored .
PROBLEM SOLVED .
I think you underestimate the sheer tenacity of a converted crusader. (Else, this topic would not exist.)
One obvious drawback to the proposal, the mass of "I'm just in this topic to bloat my post count" that would be incoming.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Empty promises. Same happened with or pretty much any game release.
Trolls generate traffic, thus moderation motivation is limited.
You either stop coming here or you accept it as necessary evil.
I welcome video game discussion and debate. It is one of my favorite topics. But there are quite a few regular posters here that carry their discussions about games over into a discussion about the people playing them and that's usually when it gets ugly.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Don't call them out -- report them (and please don't say "Reported!" when you do it.) This is the best thing you can do. If you aren't satisfied with the results of your report you are more than welcome to get in touch with me privately where I will review it myself. Thanks!
As someone who hasbeen on both sides, MikeB gets emailed by me when I get banned for whatever silliness I was up to.. Everytime.
With the ToR forums being the way they are at the moment, it's easier to look at being banned as a holiday present. More time to do whatever it is you do (I hope there is a secondary enjoyment if trolling forums is taken away from you, otherwise on-noes).
Finally, unless you were banned for life, take it in stride. Try to be nicer ( or not call people names ) and most things seem to slide as long as you don't come off sounding like an ass.
That does seem to be true. I'm guessing that Blizzard foots most of the bills around here. I have learned to leave Blizzard out of my posts unless it is positive. No big deal though. Plenty of other games to talk about.
It would be better if they banned people that keep crying about this over and over again. Least their issue, topic, or whatever is related to the actual game rather than simply crying about the forums. Like this is anything new anyways.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.