If you thought the hate for WoW was bad the hate for SWTOR is going to be worse. They hit like 3 million subs in something like 10 days. Hating SWTOR is going to become the really cool thing to do regardless of facts.
If you thought the hate for WoW was bad the hate for SWTOR is going to be worse. They hit like 3 million subs in something like 10 days. Hating SWTOR is going to become the really cool thing to do regardless of facts.
Yea and peopple already threaten of some issues aren't fixed they'll leave .
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Lets not try and pass personal opinion and playstyle as facts.
A good start would be to start your post with "I feel it's.." or "to me personally.." something along those lines. it saves a lot of back and fourth posting
Do you do this with fanboy posts who say TOR is the greatest game ever made or only with opinions you disagree with?
One of the big reasons for the pathalogical hate of Tor are posts like the above, Fanboys who can't handle anyone expressing an opion that differs with their own.
Lets not try and pass personal opinion and playstyle as facts.
A good start would be to start your post with "I feel it's.." or "to me personally.." something along those lines. it saves a lot of back and fourth posting
Do you do this with fanboy posts who say TOR is the greatest game ever made or only with opinions you disagree with?
One of the big reasons for the pathalogical hate of Tor are posts like the above, Fanboys who can't handle anyone expressing an opion that differs with their own.
You are misunderstanding me. I like negative feedback when it makes sense.
The fact it was negative has absolutely nothing to do with it. This post was just too rediculous. I could go on a crusade about it but It would be a full time job here.
Lets not try and pass personal opinion and playstyle as facts.
A good start would be to start your post with "I feel it's.." or "to me personally.." something along those lines. it saves a lot of back and fourth posting
Do you do this with fanboy posts who say TOR is the greatest game ever made or only with opinions you disagree with?
One of the big reasons for the pathalogical hate of Tor are posts like the above, Fanboys who can't handle anyone expressing an opion that differs with their own.
No he won't or would ever for TOR up until he realizes an glarring issue with the game. I'd love to see him prove me wrong because no sarcasm at all I hope he does it'll shed a better light on the community. Though to be far I don't think he's ever said the game is the greatest ever.
I didn't give no one the time of day on other forums when I was a SWTOR die hard, but really any die hard for any mmo is the same way until widening their vision, TSW, GW 2, Tera, Blade &Soul will have the same die hards, that won't consider negative things wether valide or not.
Starpower I figured that was you in the other thread agreeing which did confuse me, I stand corrected, but nevertheless there are die hards who do exactly what the above poster said.
Hell what's funny is you and I have the same logic I just wasn't being smart and lookin at your post history, and I'm talkin about your rift comment.
Must say I'm sorry lol I'll man up to that.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
If you thought the hate for WoW was bad the hate for SWTOR is going to be worse. They hit like 3 million subs in something like 10 days. Hating SWTOR is going to become the really cool thing to do regardless of facts.
3m subs? since when? just 2 days ago some1 mentioned that they just got 1m subs. Is the Number 3m comin out of ur ass or do u have some proof? You people hate on the haters and deny every contructive criticism they post and when the fanboys say something like "WOW THIS IS THE BEST GAME IN HISTORY", no 1 says anything and goes on a rampage like you people do.
The people attacking the OP really have no idea what "Logic" means. It must be some abstract sense. If we are going to start talking about true logic than the OP is certainly guilty, but woe to anyone disagreeing with him so far... fallacy abounds. Hyperbole to convey a point is not exactly unheard of and I think the average reader can understand what is being said.
I think you need to recheck what fallacy and hyperbole is.
Story = timesink (this is an opinion passed as a fact) The reason why this can't be a fallacy or a hyperbole is because a timesink is based on a persons feeling towards a given activity, . It's subjective. You may design something with the express purpose of it being a timesink but that is something else entirely. It's neither false nor is it an exaggeration
Hyperbole, as I know you know, is an exaggeration. Your opinion of what story=timesink as opposed to the OP is irrelevant in terms of what he meant. Obviously 95% of the game is not dialog. You are bordering on a false choice here. Are you arguing that he was stating what he said as a an opinion (that you call a fact?) If so what is the alternative? It is easy to argue against something when you couch it in terms you can attack as opposed to an obvious hyperbolic statement that leaves a gray area. it was a comment on the amount of dialog. You are taking it to an extreme so you can say it was not hyperbole and he actually meant that 95% of the game was dialog. That itself is more ridiculous than what the OP said. Mainly because you know that too.
The people attacking the OP really have no idea what "Logic" means. It must be some abstract sense. If we are going to start talking about true logic than the OP is certainly guilty, but woe to anyone disagreeing with him so far... fallacy abounds. Hyperbole to convey a point is not exactly unheard of and I think the average reader can understand what is being said.
I think you need to recheck what fallacy and hyperbole is.
Story = timesink (this is an opinion passed as a fact) The reason why this can't be a fallacy or a hyperbole is because a timesink is based on a persons feeling towards a given activity, . It's subjective. You may design something with the express purpose of it being a timesink but that is something else entirely. It's neither false nor is it an exaggeration
Hyperbole, as I know you know, is an exaggeration. Your opinion of what story=timesink as opposed to the OP is irrelevant in terms of what he meant. Obviously 95% of the game is not dialog. You are bordering on a false choice here. Are you arguing that he was stating what he said as a fact (that you call opinion?) If so what is the alternative? It is easy to argue against something when you couch it in terms you can attack as opposed to an obvious hyperbolic statement that leaves a gray area. it was a comment on the amount of dialog. You are taking it to an extreme so you can say it was not hyperbole and he actually meant that 95% of the game was dialog. That itself is more ridiculous than what the OP said. Mainly because you know that too.
Why are you still stuck on the hyperbole part. I have nothing against hyperbole.. I use it myself sometimes, also by making it obvious of it's intent.
You ask what he should have done? He could start by not writing "we" as if he is speaking for others
Uh I don't know. For one write more than 3 lines. He could start by writing.
"The story is uninteresting for me leaving only combat and crafting. Even those I feel are generic, seen before a 100 times over."
It's no longer passed as a fact. It would be less trolling and I for one would be more inclined to take him serious. Then again I probably wouldn't have responded either.
The problem with using my suggestion is it leaves no room for attacking him which is what he was after.
The people attacking the OP really have no idea what "Logic" means. It must be some abstract sense. If we are going to start talking about true logic than the OP is certainly guilty, but woe to anyone disagreeing with him so far... fallacy abounds. Hyperbole to convey a point is not exactly unheard of and I think the average reader can understand what is being said.
I think you need to recheck what fallacy and hyperbole is.
Story = timesink (this is an opinion passed as a fact) The reason why this can't be a fallacy or a hyperbole is because a timesink is based on a persons feeling towards a given activity, . It's subjective. You may design something with the express purpose of it being a timesink but that is something else entirely. It's neither false nor is it an exaggeration
Hyperbole, as I know you know, is an exaggeration. Your opinion of what story=timesink as opposed to the OP is irrelevant in terms of what he meant. Obviously 95% of the game is not dialog. You are bordering on a false choice here. Are you arguing that he was stating what he said as a fact (that you call opinion?) If so what is the alternative? It is easy to argue against something when you couch it in terms you can attack as opposed to an obvious hyperbolic statement that leaves a gray area. it was a comment on the amount of dialog. You are taking it to an extreme so you can say it was not hyperbole and he actually meant that 95% of the game was dialog. That itself is more ridiculous than what the OP said. Mainly because you know that too.
Why are you still stuck on the hyperbole part. I have nothing against hyperbole.. I use it myself sometimes, also by making it obvious of it's intent.
You ask what he should have done?
Uh I don't know. For one write more than 3 lines. He could start by writing.
"The story is uninteresting for me leaving only combat and crafting. Even those I feel are generic, seen before a 100 times over."
It's no longer passed as a fact. It would be less trolling and I for one would be more inclined to take him serious. Then again I probably wouldn't have responded either.
I will point you to the first line if your previous post in regards to your question about hyperbole.
No, I am not asking you what he should have done. That was simply unfortunate typing on my part . My point is nothing you say against a hyperbolic statement is any more valid than what he said. It was commentary. He was making an obvious exaggerated statement to get a point across. Simply because it is hard to tell what is, and is not, being passed as "fact" from reading text is no reason to simply assume anyone that says anything is stating something as fact. Unless someone presents some evidence of what they are saying it can be assumed to be an opinion.. It can be hyperbolic, caustic, etc. That says nothing for the factual validity of it. Taking an opinion and then attacking it as if it were a fact, and not on substance mind you but simply that they are wrong, is just skirting the issue by means of deflection or projection (not YOU in particular, just anyone). Could he have said it differently? Sure. Is it non-issue? Not necessarily.
Lets not try and pass personal opinion and playstyle as facts.
In my opinion, these are Facts.
It's a fact you have a personal opinion yes. Keyword is opinion
For instance. Story = timesink is trying to state a fact when it's a mere opinion. If you word it to, "To me story is a timesink" then you not only got it correctly, you come off less as a troll
But you won't do that. You would have to admit your own unique playstyle is the whole content of your post which again renders the thread pointless
Almost everything in a P2P game is basically a timesink to keep you p(l)aying. Nothing new there. Stepping back from a game and just seeing things for what they are can be a challenge at times, but most people manage to pull it off eventually. Skinner box FTW.
If one person's way of playing a game being the subject of thread would render that thread pointless then you can scratch a ton of fan posts on the very same basis.
Reason I wrote the first line is because you "seem" to see the whole post as hyperbolic, where as I see it as trying to state a rediculous fact AND using hyperbole. The latter which I don't care about. I simply tried to seperate the part I was adressing
It's true you don't have to write it's your opinion every time you make a post but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Specially with a sentence like this "Story" = Timesink, nothing more.(and not as interestering as we have been led to believe)
Not only is the wording loaded with baiting (which you could avoid by stating it's his opinion) but he is also using the word we as if there is some general consensus here.
Lets not try and pass personal opinion and playstyle as facts.
In my opinion, these are Facts.
It's a fact you have a personal opinion yes. Keyword is opinion
For instance. Story = timesink is trying to state a fact when it's a mere opinion. If you word it to, "To me story is a timesink" then you not only got it correctly, you come off less as a troll
But you won't do that. You would have to admit your own unique playstyle is the whole content of your post which again renders the thread pointless
Almost everything in a P2P game is basically a timesink to keep you p(l)aying. Nothing new there. Stepping back from a game and just seeing things for what they are can be a challenge at times, but most people manage to pull it off eventually. Skinner box FTW.
If one person's way of playing a game being the subject of thread would render that thread pointless then you can scratch a ton of fan posts on the very same basis.
I agree
This isn't about fanboys vs haters though. It's a general issue everywhere on the forums. A little rewording with a disclaimer of "this is my opinion" would probably eliminate a good deal of trolling and baiting posts plus remove a lot of rediculous ones in the process. Sure it isn't needed but just imagine how hard it is arguing against what another person feels. If you can even argue against feelings to begin with
Problem would be less traffic on this site because nobody would have anything to argue about.
Reason I wrote the first line is because you "seem" to see the whole post as hyperbolic, where as I see it as trying to state a rediculous fact AND using hyperbole. The latter which I don't care about.
It's true you don't have to write it's your opinion every time you make a post but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Specially with a sentence like this "Story" = Timesink, nothing more.(and not as interestering as we have been led to believe)
Not only is the wording loaded with baiting (which you could avoid by stating it's his opinion) but he is also using the word we as if there is some general concensus here.
I am going to have to disagree. "Story=Timesink" to me is not different than any other statement made about any MMO in the history of MMOs. Be it "Quest=grind" or "raid>pvp". It is opinion. They introduced a new mechanic to swtor. It is bound to get the same opinionated treatment as all aspects of MMOs. Good or bad. His opinion is that story=timesink. Whether his ratios are right is neither here nor there.
He does not need to state that it is an opinion anymore than someone who has something positive to say has to do the same. "Loaded" is subjective in-and-of itself. Who is it loaded towards? The same could be said of baiting. I think we are just working towards the trouble that has plagued MMOs from the beginning... people have allegiance to certain things and see certain postings, activities and so on as threatening. No, that was not some attack on you. It is fairly common and I think we can all agree that it is an obvious trend at this point after so many MMO launches. Trolls exist and fan boys exist. The issue is that the line between the two has become blurred to the point that talking about anything has become some how controversial. The OP used exaggerated language but where does the line get drawn? Tough question. But either way I do not think he was stating anything as fact.
Reason I wrote the first line is because you "seem" to see the whole post as hyperbolic, where as I see it as trying to state a rediculous fact AND using hyperbole. The latter which I don't care about.
It's true you don't have to write it's your opinion every time you make a post but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Specially with a sentence like this "Story" = Timesink, nothing more.(and not as interestering as we have been led to believe)
Not only is the wording loaded with baiting (which you could avoid by stating it's his opinion) but he is also using the word we as if there is some general concensus here.
I am going to have to disagree. "Story=Timesink" to me is not different than any other statement made about any MMO in the history of MMOs. Be it "Quest=grind" or "raid>pvp". It is opinion. They introduced a new mechanic to swtor. It is bound to get the same opinionated treatment as all aspects of MMOs. Good or bad. His opinion is that story=timesink. Whether his ratios are right is neither here nor there.
He does not need to state that it is an opinion anymore than someone who has something positive to say has to do the same. "Loaded" is subjective in-and-of itself. Who is it loaded towards? The same could be said of baiting. I think we are just working towards the trouble that has plagued MMOs from the beginning... people have allegiance to certain things and see certain postings, activities and so on as threatening. No, that was not some attack on you. It is fairly common and I think we can all agree that it is an obvious trend at this point after so many MMO launches. Trolls exist and fan boys exist. The issue is that the line between the two has become blurred to the point that talking about anything has become some how controversial. The OP used exaggerated language but where does the line get drawn? Tough question. But either way I do not think he was stating anything as fact.
We agree on some of it but he did try and state it as fact. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on it.
As to wheter he needs to write it out "this is an opinion" or not depends on thow you look at it. If you want to get attacked by rabid fanboys then yes. You don't have to look any further than this thread.
Overall we agree about what is or isn't opinion in all other aspects.
Reason I wrote the first line is because you "seem" to see the whole post as hyperbolic, where as I see it as trying to state a rediculous fact AND using hyperbole. The latter which I don't care about.
It's true you don't have to write it's your opinion every time you make a post but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Specially with a sentence like this "Story" = Timesink, nothing more.(and not as interestering as we have been led to believe)
Not only is the wording loaded with baiting (which you could avoid by stating it's his opinion) but he is also using the word we as if there is some general concensus here.
I am going to have to disagree. "Story=Timesink" to me is not different than any other statement made about any MMO in the history of MMOs. Be it "Quest=grind" or "raid>pvp". It is opinion. They introduced a new mechanic to swtor. It is bound to get the same opinionated treatment as all aspects of MMOs. Good or bad. His opinion is that story=timesink. Whether his ratios are right is neither here nor there.
He does not need to state that it is an opinion anymore than someone who has something positive to say has to do the same. "Loaded" is subjective in-and-of itself. Who is it loaded towards? The same could be said of baiting. I think we are just working towards the trouble that has plagued MMOs from the beginning... people have allegiance to certain things and see certain postings, activities and so on as threatening. No, that was not some attack on you. It is fairly common and I think we can all agree that it is an obvious trend at this point after so many MMO launches. Trolls exist and fan boys exist. The issue is that the line between the two has become blurred to the point that talking about anything has become some how controversial. The OP used exaggerated language but where does the line get drawn? Tough question. But either way I do not think he was stating anything as fact.
We agree on some of it but he did try and state it as fact. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on it.
As to wheter he needs to write it out "this is an opinion" or not depends on thow you look at it. If you want to get attacked by rabid fanboys then yes. You don't have to look any further than this thread.
Overall we agree about what is or isn't opinion in all other aspects.
The arguer in my has to point out that he said "In my opinon, these are facts." That is the same as saying opinion. If I said "In my opinion Santa Clause exists and that is a fact"... it is a fact... only to me. In all other circumstances outside of the person who made the statement it is an opinion. Quibbling, I know. But still true
I believe OP just because others brought silly fact vs opinion discussion as a counter argument. It's obvious he was stating an opinion without actually saying it, what's the matter with you?
Lets not try and pass personal opinion and playstyle as facts.
In my opinion, these are Facts.
It's a fact you have a personal opinion yes. Keyword is opinion
For instance. Story = timesink is trying to state a fact when it's a mere opinion. If you word it to, "To me story is a timesink" then you not only got it correctly, you come off less as a troll
But you won't do that. You would have to admit your own unique playstyle is the whole content of your post which again renders the thread pointless
Almost everything in a P2P game is basically a timesink to keep you p(l)aying. Nothing new there. Stepping back from a game and just seeing things for what they are can be a challenge at times, but most people manage to pull it off eventually. Skinner box FTW.
If one person's way of playing a game being the subject of thread would render that thread pointless then you can scratch a ton of fan posts on the very same basis.
I agree
This isn't about fanboys vs haters though. It's a general issue everywhere on the forums. A little rewording with a disclaimer of "this is my opinion" would probably eliminate a good deal of trolling and baiting posts plus remove a lot of rediculous ones in the process. Sure it isn't needed but just imagine how hard it is arguing against what another person feels. If you can even argue against feelings to begin with
Problem would be less traffic on this site because nobody would have anything to argue about.
Imagine this site if the only thing we were allowed to write was proven fact. *yawn*
When did this turn into a grammar nazi war. If we were going to sit around correcting everyone's use of the english language on these forums, we would never get anything done. (not that anything really gets done anyway)
I think people understood the OPs point way back on page 1. Is it an exaggeration? yes. Is it his opinion? Absolutely. Christ, the guy wasn't making an essay, he was merely stating that he played the game a bit, and found it boring. Case closed?
We're not his mom or his english teacher. If he wants to write better posts he can read a book.
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Yea and peopple already threaten of some issues aren't fixed they'll leave
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I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Do you do this with fanboy posts who say TOR is the greatest game ever made or only with opinions you disagree with?
One of the big reasons for the pathalogical hate of Tor are posts like the above, Fanboys who can't handle anyone expressing an opion that differs with their own.
well my way of thinking is eq2 is the best mmo on the market has of now
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and i am enjoying swtor alot what i like about it is that its not the same has eq2 or or youre wow games and to me thats great.
rift was a great game to me has well but i felt like i had been there done that.
You are misunderstanding me. I like negative feedback when it makes sense.
Here is me agreeing http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4646262
Here is me talking negative about SWTOR http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4622019
The fact it was negative has absolutely nothing to do with it. This post was just too rediculous. I could go on a crusade about it but It would be a full time job here.
No he won't or would ever for TOR up until he realizes an glarring issue with the game. I'd love to see him prove me wrong because no sarcasm at all I hope he does it'll shed a better light on the community. Though to be far I don't think he's ever said the game is the greatest ever.
I didn't give no one the time of day on other forums when I was a SWTOR die hard, but really any die hard for any mmo is the same way until widening their vision, TSW, GW 2, Tera, Blade &Soul will have the same die hards, that won't consider negative things wether valide or not.
Starpower I figured that was you in the other thread agreeing which did confuse me, I stand corrected, but nevertheless there are die hards who do exactly what the above poster said.
Hell what's funny is you and I have the same logic I just wasn't being smart and lookin at your post history, and I'm talkin about your rift comment.
Must say I'm sorry lol I'll man up to that.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
3m subs? since when? just 2 days ago some1 mentioned that they just got 1m subs. Is the Number 3m comin out of ur ass or do u have some proof? You people hate on the haters and deny every contructive criticism they post and when the fanboys say something like "WOW THIS IS THE BEST GAME IN HISTORY", no 1 says anything and goes on a rampage like you people do.
Why are you still stuck on the hyperbole part. I have nothing against hyperbole.. I use it myself sometimes, also by making it obvious of it's intent.
You ask what he should have done? He could start by not writing "we" as if he is speaking for others
Uh I don't know. For one write more than 3 lines. He could start by writing.
"The story is uninteresting for me leaving only combat and crafting. Even those I feel are generic, seen before a 100 times over."
It's no longer passed as a fact. It would be less trolling and I for one would be more inclined to take him serious. Then again I probably wouldn't have responded either.
The problem with using my suggestion is it leaves no room for attacking him which is what he was after.
I will point you to the first line if your previous post in regards to your question about hyperbole.
No, I am not asking you what he should have done. That was simply unfortunate typing on my part
. My point is nothing you say against a hyperbolic statement is any more valid than what he said. It was commentary. He was making an obvious exaggerated statement to get a point across. Simply because it is hard to tell what is, and is not, being passed as "fact" from reading text is no reason to simply assume anyone that says anything is stating something as fact. Unless someone presents some evidence of what they are saying it can be assumed to be an opinion.. It can be hyperbolic, caustic, etc. That says nothing for the factual validity of it. Taking an opinion and then attacking it as if it were a fact, and not on substance mind you but simply that they are wrong, is just skirting the issue by means of deflection or projection (not YOU in particular, just anyone). Could he have said it differently? Sure. Is it non-issue? Not necessarily.
Almost everything in a P2P game is basically a timesink to keep you p(l)aying. Nothing new there. Stepping back from a game and just seeing things for what they are can be a challenge at times, but most people manage to pull it off eventually. Skinner box FTW.
If one person's way of playing a game being the subject of thread would render that thread pointless then you can scratch a ton of fan posts on the very same basis.
@Demz
Reason I wrote the first line is because you "seem" to see the whole post as hyperbolic, where as I see it as trying to state a rediculous fact AND using hyperbole. The latter which I don't care about. I simply tried to seperate the part I was adressing
It's true you don't have to write it's your opinion every time you make a post but sometimes it's absolutely necessary. Specially with a sentence like this "Story" = Timesink, nothing more.(and not as interestering as we have been led to believe)
Not only is the wording loaded with baiting (which you could avoid by stating it's his opinion) but he is also using the word we as if there is some general consensus here.
Umm.. Who is this 'we' in your sentenace?
Can you stop speaking for me? My personal opinion is vastly different to yours.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I agree
This isn't about fanboys vs haters though. It's a general issue everywhere on the forums. A little rewording with a disclaimer of "this is my opinion" would probably eliminate a good deal of trolling and baiting posts plus remove a lot of rediculous ones in the process. Sure it isn't needed but just imagine how hard it is arguing against what another person feels. If you can even argue against feelings to begin with
Problem would be less traffic on this site because nobody would have anything to argue about.
I am going to have to disagree. "Story=Timesink" to me is not different than any other statement made about any MMO in the history of MMOs. Be it "Quest=grind" or "raid>pvp". It is opinion. They introduced a new mechanic to swtor. It is bound to get the same opinionated treatment as all aspects of MMOs. Good or bad. His opinion is that story=timesink. Whether his ratios are right is neither here nor there.
He does not need to state that it is an opinion anymore than someone who has something positive to say has to do the same. "Loaded" is subjective in-and-of itself. Who is it loaded towards? The same could be said of baiting. I think we are just working towards the trouble that has plagued MMOs from the beginning... people have allegiance to certain things and see certain postings, activities and so on as threatening. No, that was not some attack on you. It is fairly common and I think we can all agree that it is an obvious trend at this point after so many MMO launches. Trolls exist and fan boys exist. The issue is that the line between the two has become blurred to the point that talking about anything has become some how controversial. The OP used exaggerated language but where does the line get drawn? Tough question. But either way I do not think he was stating anything as fact.
Edited: Atrocious spelling
Like reading good books or seeing great movies are timesinks, right?
Also your percentages are way off.
My brand new bloggity blog.
If good story driven games are timesinks, I need more of them.
Like Planscape Torment 2!!!
FFS, Fallen from Grace is still an awesome char that I would love to more about.
Yes, 50% of that is because Jennifer Hale voiced it. XD
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4646373
We agree on some of it but he did try and state it as fact. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on it.
As to wheter he needs to write it out "this is an opinion" or not depends on thow you look at it. If you want to get attacked by rabid fanboys then yes. You don't have to look any further than this thread.
Overall we agree about what is or isn't opinion in all other aspects.
U are comparing a good book with this( tor 5 year old story bs)?...u sir need to level ur reading skills, not to say stop reading comic books
The arguer in my has to point out that he said "In my opinon, these are facts." That is the same as saying opinion. If I said "In my opinion Santa Clause exists and that is a fact"... it is a fact... only to me. In all other circumstances outside of the person who made the statement it is an opinion. Quibbling, I know. But still true
I believe OP just because others brought silly fact vs opinion discussion as a counter argument. It's obvious he was stating an opinion without actually saying it, what's the matter with you?
We = him and someone else maybe? A friend? A relative? Anyonethat agrees with him, but not you obviously.
Imagine this site if the only thing we were allowed to write was proven fact. *yawn*
When did this turn into a grammar nazi war. If we were going to sit around correcting everyone's use of the english language on these forums, we would never get anything done. (not that anything really gets done anyway)
I think people understood the OPs point way back on page 1. Is it an exaggeration? yes. Is it his opinion? Absolutely. Christ, the guy wasn't making an essay, he was merely stating that he played the game a bit, and found it boring. Case closed?
We're not his mom or his english teacher. If he wants to write better posts he can read a book.
It's not about grammar but about trolling and baiting.. and why this isn't locked yet is beyond me.