I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
Maybe because DF just sucks while SV actually scammed people and thus, made it personal.
ooo what is this Entropia Universe game. I think the other games you mentioed are not anything like mo or df right?
I've only been playing Entropia for two days.. it looks like a *quite* sandboxy f2p mmo with pvp in space and in pvp areas on land (yes, implying there's actually space and land to play in) with err helicopters and stuff.
Ingame currency is usually obtained with real cash though, although there is mining and hunting, they won't make you much profit. I'm playing for free anyway, living the bum life.
Oh: It's nothing like MO, nope. It's an indie title but it hasn't crashed on me yet, there are actually players in it and so far I haven't been a victim of GM arbitrariness yet. :P
I wouldn´t call Entropia a indie title. It´s been around since 2003 if I´m correct, and has made several hundreds of million swedish kronor in profit, and not long ago they upgraded to the Cry Engine and upped the graphics alot. Compare that to companies like SV and AV that barely go around. The game looks awesome. Specially in 3D. But the game cost to much real life cash to get good at. If your not ready to spend your real life ingame to get good without putting a penny into it. As a casuall player, I would stay away of EU. But if you have some cash to spend, why not give it a shot.
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
Maybe because DF just sucks while SV actually scammed people and thus, made it personal.
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
Maybe because DF just sucks while SV actually scammed people and thus, made it personal.
A billing mistake. A single case. It happens, we can't even tell if that wasn't the customer's fault.
Incomparable to the hundreds of cases of incorrect billing by SV (intentional or not..), or the boxed version scam (and that was just a scam, nothing else. People go to jail for stuff like this and I believe Henrik should.) Also, SV constantly express their lack of respect for their customers with GM abuse and blatant lies.
DF doesn't have this kind of hatred pointed towards it because it isn't playing in the same league of scamming, lying and shady business tactics as MO.
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
Well I do agree that MO has had issues, have issues, and will most likely have issues. With a doubt. yes, there has been cases when GMs acted bad in MO, but to say that it hasn´t happened in DF is to look at it with blindfolders. Have a nice little look on this thread on this very forum about AVs cover up etc. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3445748#3445748
I stopped playing DF cause the grinding alone and no skill caps sux so much more then every little single fault I see in MO. But as I said earlier in this thread. I do hope both games pulls through, cause I see no other games like these two that speaks to my sandbox heart. I hope both pulls through. But i don´t get why some keep on bashing on MO like there´s no tomorrow. Like SV murdered their family or something. Sometimes people need to relax, and realize it´s still just a game.
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
Well I do agree that MO has had issues, have issues, and will most likely have issues. With a doubt. yes, there has been cases when GMs acted bad in MO, but to say that it hasn´t happened in DF is to look at it with blindfolders. Have a nice little look on this thread on this very forum about AVs cover up etc. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3445748#3445748
I stopped playing DF cause the grinding alone and no skill caps sux so much more then every little single fault I see in MO. But as I said earlier in this thread. I do hope both games pulls through, cause I see no other games like these two that speaks to my sandbox heart. I hope both pulls through. But i don´t get why some keep on bashing on MO like there´s no tomorrow. Like SV murdered their family or something. Sometimes people need to relax, and realize it´s still just a game.
I don't know why some of you throw threads up expecting me to click them and change my mind on the experiences I've had with each company. The question was why aren't you over on DF forums bashing DF like you do with SV, I answered and the simplified version is ... I've had different experiences with DF and MO. With DF my experience was meh, with MO my experience was horrific.
What ever thread you linked to won't change the experiences I've had.
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
DING DING DING... we have a winner!!!
I think it says a lot about a diehard MO fan that when I compare having to play Darkfall to having one of my testicles cut off... they think I like the game.
Most folks understand that having your testicle cut-off is a pretty strongly worded negative. For some MO fans I guess it's part of the attraction to the game. Like I said... I think it explains much.
DF and MO are both failed games.
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I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
Well I do agree that MO has had issues, have issues, and will most likely have issues. With a doubt. yes, there has been cases when GMs acted bad in MO, but to say that it hasn´t happened in DF is to look at it with blindfolders. Have a nice little look on this thread on this very forum about AVs cover up etc. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3445748#3445748
I stopped playing DF cause the grinding alone and no skill caps sux so much more then every little single fault I see in MO. But as I said earlier in this thread. I do hope both games pulls through, cause I see no other games like these two that speaks to my sandbox heart. I hope both pulls through. But i don´t get why some keep on bashing on MO like there´s no tomorrow. Like SV murdered their family or something. Sometimes people need to relax, and realize it´s still just a game.
I don't know why some of you throw threads up expecting me to click them and change my mind on the experiences I've had with each company. The question was why aren't you over on DF forums bashing DF like you do with SV, I answered and the simplified version is ... I've had different experiences with DF and MO. With DF my experience was meh, with MO my experience was horrific.
What ever thread you linked to won't change the experiences I've had.
Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
I think it has been said quite a few times before, a lot of people think MO concept is great, however SV is a garbage company and is the main reason for downfall of this game.
Attempting to make other posters seem bad or irrational by your super-awesome morals also doesn't make their posts any less right. Make an argument for the post in question, don't try to undermine other posters, because they disagree with you. If you have nothing to say on the subject, but just wish to question/attack other posters, then you've already lost the argument.
I don't know why some of you throw threads up expecting me to click them and change my mind on the experiences I've had with each company. The question was why aren't you over on DF forums bashing DF like you do with SV, I answered and the simplified version is ... I've had different experiences with DF and MO. With DF my experience was meh, with MO my experience was horrific.
What ever thread you linked to won't change the experiences I've had.
Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
But you only joined here a few weeks ago and just in this thread you have quite a few anti-DF posts (and it's not even the DF forum!). If you would like to discuss the OP again and his take on why MO is a failed game I welcome you to continue. If you would like to have a DF vs MO thread please start one...
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
No trolling intended: What stops you from doing the same with a forum you don't like?
I wonder if this is the case? That you think both suck balls etc. Why your ain´t over at DF forum spilling your guts about "how Tasos lying makes even Henrik CEO of SV look like a saint" etc? Nope. All focus on MO. I wonder why? Your only at DF forum to say that MO suck the donkeys balls. Does that sound like someone that dislike both games? Does that come from someone that dislike DF or someone that loves it? Do you get what I´m getting at at all?
I don't think you'll persuade him to play MO tbh.
lol. That´s a lost cause. I´m not trying to make him play MO either. Just wondered why he have ~3000 posts on how MO sux, and none on darkfall, when he thinks they both suck. MO sux alittle more he says, but still, no crap throwing on DF at all. If I dislike a game, I could vent some air on the games forum and move on. But 3000 post later Slappy is here like it´s his first post on how bad MO is. So allow me to call BS on his claims that he dislikes DF...
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
Well I do agree that MO has had issues, have issues, and will most likely have issues. With a doubt. yes, there has been cases when GMs acted bad in MO, but to say that it hasn´t happened in DF is to look at it with blindfolders. Have a nice little look on this thread on this very forum about AVs cover up etc. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3445748#3445748
I stopped playing DF cause the grinding alone and no skill caps sux so much more then every little single fault I see in MO. But as I said earlier in this thread. I do hope both games pulls through, cause I see no other games like these two that speaks to my sandbox heart. I hope both pulls through. But i don´t get why some keep on bashing on MO like there´s no tomorrow. Like SV murdered their family or something. Sometimes people need to relax, and realize it´s still just a game.
I don't know why some of you throw threads up expecting me to click them and change my mind on the experiences I've had with each company. The question was why aren't you over on DF forums bashing DF like you do with SV, I answered and the simplified version is ... I've had different experiences with DF and MO. With DF my experience was meh, with MO my experience was horrific.
What ever thread you linked to won't change the experiences I've had.
Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
If it were simply a case of me not liking a game I would move on.... hence why I'm not over on the DF forums. I thought we already covered this, have we gone full circle again? Keep up with the conversation.
Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
No trolling intended: What stops you from doing the same with a forum you don't like?
Didn´t I answer that? I don´t. I Move on. Or am I missing something here, or are you actually trolling me?
Yes, this is the first time I made a account on this forum. People has told me to stay away etc. But I´ve been here reading etc for a while til I decided to do a account. I have been playing MMOs for over 15 years, so I have many accounts on different games. But if I leave the game for different reasons. I don´t stick around.
And to sum it up. Yes, this thread derailed "alittle" from me and Slappy going back and forth on DF vs MO after his weather comment about MO. I then went on to ask Slappy about why he focus so much on hating MO and posting 3000 or so posts on the subject. When he apperantly hates DF ALMOST as much. According to him that is. I call it BS. Yes, some of you have expressed why you don´t like MO, and mostly for the same issues that DFand AV have, but you didn´t experience it there or whatever. And I still don´t get that part of a person that do linger on to a forum about a game they dislike, spending thousand of posts of why they think it suck etc. I´m sorry. I just don´t get it. But I have to live with that I´m alone about this on these forums. I wan´t both games to succeed, cause if they don´t I don´t think any big company will have the courage to invest the money that a sandbox game like this deserve. Maybe if they both earn some money, and try to beat each other we could get there. So all this hate towards MO and also against DF is according to me, a loose loose scenario for everone that want´s a fantasy sandbox MMO. If you don´t like it. Move on. Come back and check up on the game etc from time to time to see what has happened. That´s what I would call a normal behavior. But that´s probably on me as I said.
When he apperantly hates DF ALMOST as much. According to him that is. I call it BS. aid.
No.. I think both are bad games. Starvault however went above and beyond the call of duty and repeatedly lied and tried to take my money a year before the game released (after repeated delays), ignored my emails asking for updates, and tried to enforce an un-enforecable no-refund policy. THEN they went and auto-subbed everyone who pre-ordered the game by signing them up for a subscription using whatever pre-order info (credit card.. debit card.. whatever) they had on file. This was in direct violation of their OWN TOS and EULA (which were later changed). To top it off, after ALL of that they never even shipped out the promised functional CDs with all the "pre-launch updates" which were clearly promised and sold (still listed on their website here https://account.mortalonline.com/ ). It's now 1.5 years AFTER launch.. the discs never shipped.. and the only word from SV was their GM who said they would give an unspecified veteran reward to subscribers in lieu of actually shipping discs which were purchased (no ETA on that either).
So yeah.. if it was simply a case of a bad game... I would treat it as I do Darkfall. Starvault went above and beyond in their dealings and thus have a special place in my heart and those of many other people.
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When he apperantly hates DF ALMOST as much. According to him that is. I call it BS. aid.
No.. I think both are bad games. Starvault however went above and beyond the call of duty and repeatedly lied and tried to take my money a year before the game released (after repeated delays), ignored my emails asking for updates, and tried to enforce an un-enforecable no-refund policy. THEN they went and auto-subbed everyone who pre-ordered the game by signing them up for a subscription using whatever pre-order info (credit card.. debit card.. whatever) they had on file. This was in direct violation of their OWN TOS and EULA (which were later changed). To top it off, after ALL of that they never even shipped out the promised functional CDs with all the "pre-launch updates" which were clearly promised and sold (still listed on their website here https://account.mortalonline.com/ ). It's now 1.5 years AFTER launch.. the discs never shipped.. and the only word from SV was their GM who said they would give an unspecified veteran reward to subscribers in lieu of actually shipping discs which were purchased (no ETA on that either).
So yeah.. if it was simply a case of a bad game... I would treat it as I do Darkfall. Starvault went above and beyond in their dealings and thus have a special place in my heart and those of many other people.
Well I do agree with most that you said, even though I personally couldn´t care less about a outdated disc. Don´t know when I bought a game on a disc last. Well, it was a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. So I couldn´t care less about the stupid disc like some of you have. I look forward to the award once we have it.
I do think SV has handled alot of things pretty poor to say the least. I can see why people etc are pissed at them, and why people are pissed on DF. But as someone that want a fantasy sandbox MMO I do wan´t both DF and MO to succeed. I don´t get what purpose all the bashing do. I don´t get why you dedicate over 3000 post on the subject at all. If your not a huge fan of themepark MMOs and want all sandbox games to burn in hell. Yes, I´m so thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO that I atm look pass the bugs, the fucked up GMs etc. Cause I do support what AV and SV are trying to do. Even though their actions are questionable to say the least. But that´s what differs me from you "realists". You guys hurt the chances of us ever having a good and working sandbox MMO.
I think for instance Entropia Universe could have been such a game. But it costs more then it taste. But that game, if it didn´t cost so much to actually get good, if you don´t spend all waken hours on playing the game, and if they also had some skill cap. Would have been a AMAZING sandbox game. Cause it has ALOT going for it. But yet, none has succeeded. Some love to hate. I love to dream about one day having a working fantasy sandbox MMO. But no hate her towards these games will ever help me and many with me, living that dream. And I guess I have to live with that, cause nothing I write here will ever change this fact.
I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
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I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
I thought I did explain it. Starting to sound like a broken record here. I still enjoy MO even though it has issues. I´m that thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO. I think it hurts chances for us getting a good sandbox MMO from bashing MO, DF, ER, Xsyon, Dawntide, Wurm etc. You don´t. We´ll have to wait and see. None of them has succeeded, and there´s not many fantasy sandbox on the horisont that could change this. MAYBE Archage could be it, but I´m still hesitent to how "asian" it will be. And I don´t get how us supporting a "crappy" sandbox MMO would hurt. That should be the opposite. Then companies should think. "Wtf. If those games can have people playing these broken games, then it should be smooth sailing for us if we succeed to conquer the whole genre". But I think we have to agree to disagree there.
I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
I thought I did explain it. Starting to sound like a broken record here. I still enjoy MO even though it has issues. I´m that thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO. I think it hurts chances for us getting a good sandbox MMO from bashing MO, DF, ER, Xsyon, Dawntide, Wurm etc. You don´t. We´ll have to wait and see. None of them has succeeded, and there´s not many fantasy sandbox on the horisont that could change this. MAYBE Archage could be it, but I´m still hesitent to how "asian" it will be. And I don´t get how us supporting a "crappy" sandbox MMO would hurt. That should be the opposite. Then companies should think. "Wtf. If those games can have people playing these broken games, then it should be smooth sailing for us if we succeed to conquer the whole genre". But I think we have to agree to disagree there.
I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
I thought I did explain it. Starting to sound like a broken record here. I still enjoy MO even though it has issues. I´m that thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO. I think it hurts chances for us getting a good sandbox MMO from bashing MO, DF, ER, Xsyon, Dawntide, Wurm etc. You don´t. We´ll have to wait and see. None of them has succeeded, and there´s not many fantasy sandbox on the horisont that could change this. MAYBE Archage could be it, but I´m still hesitent to how "asian" it will be. And I don´t get how us supporting a "crappy" sandbox MMO would hurt. That should be the opposite. Then companies should think. "Wtf. If those games can have people playing these broken games, then it should be smooth sailing for us if we succeed to conquer the whole genre". But I think we have to agree to disagree there.
That one sounds really interesting. Need to keep my eyes on it for sure. No screenshots yet as I could see. I just hope it doesn´t look like crap. Like Xsyon or Wurm. But boy does it sounds like a game i could sink my tetth into. Thx for the tip.
I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
I thought I did explain it. Starting to sound like a broken record here. I still enjoy MO even though it has issues. I´m that thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO. I think it hurts chances for us getting a good sandbox MMO from bashing MO, DF, ER, Xsyon, Dawntide, Wurm etc. You don´t. We´ll have to wait and see. None of them has succeeded, and there´s not many fantasy sandbox on the horisont that could change this. MAYBE Archage could be it, but I´m still hesitent to how "asian" it will be. And I don´t get how us supporting a "crappy" sandbox MMO would hurt. That should be the opposite. Then companies should think. "Wtf. If those games can have people playing these broken games, then it should be smooth sailing for us if we succeed to conquer the whole genre". But I think we have to agree to disagree there.
Seems like you took what he said as concerning MO, while what he actually said was about StarVault. You know the game company behind MO, right?
Now, a few really simple questions to you: Do you think SV is the right company to produce such a game? Do you deny their horrible business practises of late? Do you think MO could fare much better under another company?
I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
I thought I did explain it. Starting to sound like a broken record here. I still enjoy MO even though it has issues. I´m that thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO. I think it hurts chances for us getting a good sandbox MMO from bashing MO, DF, ER, Xsyon, Dawntide, Wurm etc. You don´t. We´ll have to wait and see. None of them has succeeded, and there´s not many fantasy sandbox on the horisont that could change this. MAYBE Archage could be it, but I´m still hesitent to how "asian" it will be. And I don´t get how us supporting a "crappy" sandbox MMO would hurt. That should be the opposite. Then companies should think. "Wtf. If those games can have people playing these broken games, then it should be smooth sailing for us if we succeed to conquer the whole genre". But I think we have to agree to disagree there.
Seems like you took what he said as concerning MO, while what he actually said was about StarVault. You know the game company behind MO, right?
Now, a few really simple questions to you: Do you think SV is the right company to produce such a game? Do you deny their horrible business practises of late? Do you think MO could fare much better under another company?
Well, if they don´t run out of money, I do think they could turn it around. They´ve gotten better and better at fixing bugs etc and also putting out new material. I think what they have done, considering how few they are working on it, a excellent work. It´s far from perfect, or where me, the MO community and SV wan´ts it to be. But where it before was 1 step forward two steps back. The last few months I think it´s more two steps forward, and one step back. And as long as they speak to the community as much as they do, even though the two have a love-hate relationship, I do yes, think they could turn it around. But I´m not saying that another company with more money etc would fail. What SV lacks the most is more personal to deal with issues etc even more frequently. When I played Entropia I dreamed of SV having their CryEngine 2 and those enormous pieces of land to explore, and no lag what so ever. But if they can´t found their dream, I sure hope some other company buys them, and continue with their work. But I don´t think were there yet.
Well, if they don´t run out of money, I do think they could turn it around. They´ve gotten better and better at fixing bugs etc and also putting out new material. I think what they have done, considering how few they are working on it, a excellent work. It´s far from perfect, or where me, the MO community and SV wan´ts it to be. But where it before was 1 step forward two steps back. The last few months I think it´s more two steps forward, and one step back. And as long as they speak to the community as much as they do, even though the two have a love-hate relationship, I do yes, think they could turn it around. But I´m not saying that another company with more money etc would fail. What SV lacks the most is more personal to deal with issues etc even more frequently. When I played Entropia I dreamed of SV having their CryEngine 2 and those enormous pieces of land to explore, and no lag what so ever. But if they can´t found their dream, I sure hope some other company buys them, and continue with their work. But I don´t think were there yet.
Thanks for your honest answer. SV had to let go a lot of workforce after the game was released. Maybe some of those guys could've helped them more along the way than gaining a quick boost in revenue has.
Personally, I wish that another proper gamecompany (IE not Funcom or Mythic), would pick their slack up and actually deliver those sandbox fantasies that Henrik has been selling for years now. I'd be in the frontlines to see how great MO could become under proper developers. If they delivered even half of Henrik's broken promises, I'd try it out.
Personally, I wish that another proper gamecompany (IE not Funcom or Mythic), would pick their slack up and actually deliver those sandbox fantasies that Henrik has been selling for years now. I'd be in the frontlines to see how great MO could become under proper developers. If they delivered even half of Henrik's broken promises, I'd try it out.
My hopes are on Archeage... then after that I'll be looking at Richard Garriotts "Ultimate RPG" which may, or may not end up being an official UO sequel.
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Maybe because DF just sucks while SV actually scammed people and thus, made it personal.
I wouldn´t call Entropia a indie title. It´s been around since 2003 if I´m correct, and has made several hundreds of million swedish kronor in profit, and not long ago they upgraded to the Cry Engine and upped the graphics alot. Compare that to companies like SV and AV that barely go around. The game looks awesome. Specially in 3D. But the game cost to much real life cash to get good at. If your not ready to spend your real life ingame to get good without putting a penny into it. As a casuall player, I would stay away of EU. But if you have some cash to spend, why not give it a shot.
Really? Then read this and get back to me.
A billing mistake. A single case. It happens, we can't even tell if that wasn't the customer's fault.
Incomparable to the hundreds of cases of incorrect billing by SV (intentional or not..), or the boxed version scam (and that was just a scam, nothing else. People go to jail for stuff like this and I believe Henrik should.) Also, SV constantly express their lack of respect for their customers with GM abuse and blatant lies.
DF doesn't have this kind of hatred pointed towards it because it isn't playing in the same league of scamming, lying and shady business tactics as MO.
I can explain why I come and bash on MO rather than on DFO if you'd like. AV and DF just aren't my cup of tea, I don't agree with the design decisions they've made. I don't like how some things are designed. However, they do work.
SV and MO on the other hand have a hard time getting things to actually work. GM's and such get involved in PvP and impact things in a way that benefits one side and henders another, if this is intentional or not it happens and shouldn't. SV has double charged people and tripple charged people. SV has lied continously to players and to the MMO community on numerous occasions. SV decided to automatically subscribe people so that many got charged for a game that they had long since quit following. SV has made many many many "mistakes" like this and has yet to offer any adequate compensation to it's player base or former player base.
When I left DF I felt like it just wasn't a game for me.
When I left SV I felt cheated and lied to.
When I left DF I felt the game was a sandbox without sand and a horrible UI that was a bit heavy on the grind.
When I left MO I felt the game was a piece of trash. Half the mechanics didn't work and the other half were bugged to hell and back.
I don't play DF because I don't like it, I don't play MO because I hate the game and the company behind it. Yes, hate is a strong word but after what SV has done and how frustrating MO has been to play I feel it's warranted. I can still get a bit heated thinking about all the crap SV pulled and still pull. I can deal with griefers in game I tend to enjoy FFA PvP in my sandbox, what I can't deal with is the Developers, GM's and Mods griefing it's consumers.
I mean think about it, they've tried griefing players wallets, forum posts, they've tried to grief them here on MMORPG.com, they've tried griefing them in game (GM's interferring with sieges and etc. deleting assests on "accident" and not re-imbursing and now taking away gates, houses and keeps and especially gates as the gates should not be included). Now thats some epic griefing considering players pay for the right to be griefed by SV lol.
Well I do agree that MO has had issues, have issues, and will most likely have issues. With a doubt. yes, there has been cases when GMs acted bad in MO, but to say that it hasn´t happened in DF is to look at it with blindfolders. Have a nice little look on this thread on this very forum about AVs cover up etc. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/view/forums/post/3445748#3445748
I stopped playing DF cause the grinding alone and no skill caps sux so much more then every little single fault I see in MO. But as I said earlier in this thread. I do hope both games pulls through, cause I see no other games like these two that speaks to my sandbox heart. I hope both pulls through. But i don´t get why some keep on bashing on MO like there´s no tomorrow. Like SV murdered their family or something. Sometimes people need to relax, and realize it´s still just a game.
I don't know why some of you throw threads up expecting me to click them and change my mind on the experiences I've had with each company. The question was why aren't you over on DF forums bashing DF like you do with SV, I answered and the simplified version is ... I've had different experiences with DF and MO. With DF my experience was meh, with MO my experience was horrific.
What ever thread you linked to won't change the experiences I've had.
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I think it says a lot about a diehard MO fan that when I compare having to play Darkfall to having one of my testicles cut off... they think I like the game.
Most folks understand that having your testicle cut-off is a pretty strongly worded negative. For some MO fans I guess it's part of the attraction to the game. Like I said... I think it explains much.
DF and MO are both failed games.
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Didn´t I answer it as well? I said if I don´t like a game I MOVE ON... I don´t stick on that games forum puking my guts out about the game and it´s company. I do it while I play etc. But if I leave a game. I don´t linger around posting 3000 or so posts about it.
I think it has been said quite a few times before, a lot of people think MO concept is great, however SV is a garbage company and is the main reason for downfall of this game.
Attempting to make other posters seem bad or irrational by your super-awesome morals also doesn't make their posts any less right. Make an argument for the post in question, don't try to undermine other posters, because they disagree with you. If you have nothing to say on the subject, but just wish to question/attack other posters, then you've already lost the argument.
But you only joined here a few weeks ago and just in this thread you have quite a few anti-DF posts (and it's not even the DF forum!). If you would like to discuss the OP again and his take on why MO is a failed game I welcome you to continue. If you would like to have a DF vs MO thread please start one...
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No trolling intended: What stops you from doing the same with a forum you don't like?
If it were simply a case of me not liking a game I would move on.... hence why I'm not over on the DF forums. I thought we already covered this, have we gone full circle again? Keep up with the conversation.
Didn´t I answer that? I don´t. I Move on. Or am I missing something here, or are you actually trolling me?
Yes, this is the first time I made a account on this forum. People has told me to stay away etc. But I´ve been here reading etc for a while til I decided to do a account. I have been playing MMOs for over 15 years, so I have many accounts on different games. But if I leave the game for different reasons. I don´t stick around.
And to sum it up. Yes, this thread derailed "alittle" from me and Slappy going back and forth on DF vs MO after his weather comment about MO. I then went on to ask Slappy about why he focus so much on hating MO and posting 3000 or so posts on the subject. When he apperantly hates DF ALMOST as much. According to him that is. I call it BS. Yes, some of you have expressed why you don´t like MO, and mostly for the same issues that DFand AV have, but you didn´t experience it there or whatever. And I still don´t get that part of a person that do linger on to a forum about a game they dislike, spending thousand of posts of why they think it suck etc. I´m sorry. I just don´t get it. But I have to live with that I´m alone about this on these forums. I wan´t both games to succeed, cause if they don´t I don´t think any big company will have the courage to invest the money that a sandbox game like this deserve. Maybe if they both earn some money, and try to beat each other we could get there. So all this hate towards MO and also against DF is according to me, a loose loose scenario for everone that want´s a fantasy sandbox MMO. If you don´t like it. Move on. Come back and check up on the game etc from time to time to see what has happened. That´s what I would call a normal behavior. But that´s probably on me as I said.
No.. I think both are bad games. Starvault however went above and beyond the call of duty and repeatedly lied and tried to take my money a year before the game released (after repeated delays), ignored my emails asking for updates, and tried to enforce an un-enforecable no-refund policy. THEN they went and auto-subbed everyone who pre-ordered the game by signing them up for a subscription using whatever pre-order info (credit card.. debit card.. whatever) they had on file. This was in direct violation of their OWN TOS and EULA (which were later changed). To top it off, after ALL of that they never even shipped out the promised functional CDs with all the "pre-launch updates" which were clearly promised and sold (still listed on their website here https://account.mortalonline.com/ ). It's now 1.5 years AFTER launch.. the discs never shipped.. and the only word from SV was their GM who said they would give an unspecified veteran reward to subscribers in lieu of actually shipping discs which were purchased (no ETA on that either).
So yeah.. if it was simply a case of a bad game... I would treat it as I do Darkfall. Starvault went above and beyond in their dealings and thus have a special place in my heart and those of many other people.
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Well I do agree with most that you said, even though I personally couldn´t care less about a outdated disc. Don´t know when I bought a game on a disc last. Well, it was a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. So I couldn´t care less about the stupid disc like some of you have. I look forward to the award once we have it.
I do think SV has handled alot of things pretty poor to say the least. I can see why people etc are pissed at them, and why people are pissed on DF. But as someone that want a fantasy sandbox MMO I do wan´t both DF and MO to succeed. I don´t get what purpose all the bashing do. I don´t get why you dedicate over 3000 post on the subject at all. If your not a huge fan of themepark MMOs and want all sandbox games to burn in hell. Yes, I´m so thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO that I atm look pass the bugs, the fucked up GMs etc. Cause I do support what AV and SV are trying to do. Even though their actions are questionable to say the least. But that´s what differs me from you "realists". You guys hurt the chances of us ever having a good and working sandbox MMO.
I think for instance Entropia Universe could have been such a game. But it costs more then it taste. But that game, if it didn´t cost so much to actually get good, if you don´t spend all waken hours on playing the game, and if they also had some skill cap. Would have been a AMAZING sandbox game. Cause it has ALOT going for it. But yet, none has succeeded. Some love to hate. I love to dream about one day having a working fantasy sandbox MMO. But no hate her towards these games will ever help me and many with me, living that dream. And I guess I have to live with that, cause nothing I write here will ever change this fact.
Happy new year to you all.
I am confused Norpan. You admit SV has done many things wrong and that their actions are questionable. But then you go on to wish for them to succeed??? I'm confused. Why would you want t acompany that has put out an incomplete game, done some pretty shaddy things (all the while charging premium $) to succeed? You are wrong in your assumption that "bashing" on companies hurts the chances of getting a great sandbox game. In fact, I counter and say that people supporting crappy companies like SV will prevent us from getting a decent sandbox game because it will send a message that sandbox fans are soooooooo desperate they will pay good $$$ for a POS game. Beleive me, all of us want a great sandbox game or we would not be so angry at the garbage MO has turned out to be.
And Happy New Year to you as well.
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I thought I did explain it. Starting to sound like a broken record here. I still enjoy MO even though it has issues. I´m that thirsty for a fantasy sandbox MMO. I think it hurts chances for us getting a good sandbox MMO from bashing MO, DF, ER, Xsyon, Dawntide, Wurm etc. You don´t. We´ll have to wait and see. None of them has succeeded, and there´s not many fantasy sandbox on the horisont that could change this. MAYBE Archage could be it, but I´m still hesitent to how "asian" it will be. And I don´t get how us supporting a "crappy" sandbox MMO would hurt. That should be the opposite. Then companies should think. "Wtf. If those games can have people playing these broken games, then it should be smooth sailing for us if we succeed to conquer the whole genre". But I think we have to agree to disagree there.
Agreed.
Have you checked out http://www.fallenthrones.com/ ?
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
That one sounds really interesting. Need to keep my eyes on it for sure. No screenshots yet as I could see. I just hope it doesn´t look like crap. Like Xsyon or Wurm. But boy does it sounds like a game i could sink my tetth into. Thx for the tip.
Seems like you took what he said as concerning MO, while what he actually said was about StarVault. You know the game company behind MO, right?
Now, a few really simple questions to you: Do you think SV is the right company to produce such a game? Do you deny their horrible business practises of late? Do you think MO could fare much better under another company?
Well, if they don´t run out of money, I do think they could turn it around. They´ve gotten better and better at fixing bugs etc and also putting out new material. I think what they have done, considering how few they are working on it, a excellent work. It´s far from perfect, or where me, the MO community and SV wan´ts it to be. But where it before was 1 step forward two steps back. The last few months I think it´s more two steps forward, and one step back. And as long as they speak to the community as much as they do, even though the two have a love-hate relationship, I do yes, think they could turn it around. But I´m not saying that another company with more money etc would fail. What SV lacks the most is more personal to deal with issues etc even more frequently. When I played Entropia I dreamed of SV having their CryEngine 2 and those enormous pieces of land to explore, and no lag what so ever. But if they can´t found their dream, I sure hope some other company buys them, and continue with their work. But I don´t think were there yet.
Thanks for your honest answer. SV had to let go a lot of workforce after the game was released. Maybe some of those guys could've helped them more along the way than gaining a quick boost in revenue has.
Personally, I wish that another proper gamecompany (IE not Funcom or Mythic), would pick their slack up and actually deliver those sandbox fantasies that Henrik has been selling for years now. I'd be in the frontlines to see how great MO could become under proper developers. If they delivered even half of Henrik's broken promises, I'd try it out.
My hopes are on Archeage... then after that I'll be looking at Richard Garriotts "Ultimate RPG" which may, or may not end up being an official UO sequel.
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