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Guild Wars 2: Our last glimmer of hope?????????
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Am I the only one that sees GW2 in this light? I think we can all agree that in the last few years we have had more than our fair share of letdowns when it comes up to games not living up to our hype and expectations..........heck even living up to what the devs promise us. It is time for the genre to evolve. Us veteran mmorpgers are definetely in need of an evolution of gameplay or the gaming community may soon lose us. The teachers and mentors of the newer gamers to this genre. Also the advocates to ideas and feedback that should be $$$$$ signs to the devs.
GW2 is my last attempt at this genre after a series of nearly identical games with, in my humble opinion, very subtle differences. Lets cross our fingers and hope for the best.
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It's definitely the no.1 game I'm watching but there are others that interest me such as Archeage and Secret World. Also EQNext is on the horizon which they say will be a return to EQ1 roots. So all in all, looking good for now
I am looking forward to all those as well. I think archeage may bring something new to the table.
As much as I hope it to be good, and I think it may just be. Riding all hope and dreams on a game is never a good thing.
Perhaps not the 'last' hope but definietely our 'best' hope in the few next years at least. Unless some still unknown developper surprisingly pulls a new perfect MMO out of a sack, only ANet among the existing devs shows enough inspiration, devotion and talent, while not being corrupted by greed, to have an actual chance to pull it off the ground, where all others have failed.
While TSW also looks promising, it will undoubtedly share the same restrictions like AoC, great graphics and combat, but enclosed, small maps, which is not what I realyl want to see in a MMO. I want space, and no zoning.
Thats where Archeage comes to mind, armed with the power of CryEngine 3, it can produce amazing landscapes unlike anything seen in MMO's this far. However with all the interesting features the game promises, I'm not seeing the inspiration and devotion of ANet here, and I fear the game will have standard combat and a lot of grind which I hate.
There is of course Titan looming about, but after seeing Blizzard milking the joke that is WoW, and copying features from everyone around, I just do not see them doing something innovative. Let's face it, Blizzard used to be a quality company, but after Warcraft 2, Starcraft and Diablo, all they could do is copy themselves and everyone around.. Not much innovation from them in a decade. Even Diablo 3 doesn't seem to hold a candle to say Lineage Eternal.
So that does leave ArenaNet and GW2 as the sole best hope in the next 5 years, perhaps een this decade.. MMO's are in a sad state now, GW2 might not be the revolution people expect, but it does look like a solid step into the correct future.
My Guild Wars 2 First Beta Weekend "reviewette" : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4944570/thread/349125#4944570
I do believe GW2 will be a somewhat fun game at least good enough to be a backup game but my real hopes are with TSW it just seems to offer way more than GW2.
No.1 on my watch list for many years now
But it's not my last hope... It looks like it'll finally bring changes to the genre and be inovative so I don't have to play the same game I played before only with different skin... Archage and secret world are on my watch list as well, we'll see how it goes....
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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Well it is almost sure it'll be a good or even very good game. I am waiting for it
Though I think it'll be too e-sporty to give me my "ultimate" mmorpg fix.
Still I will propably play it, (unless NcSoft / Arena.net will be too greedy and make cash shop more expansive, bigger, etc than cash shop in GW1 - then I'll pass) as it is one of only two mmorpg's I am looking forward to. I don't play any mmorpg atm, cause I am disappointed in overall design / direction they went.
So I will almost surely play GW2 and I think I'll have fun with it, still for my long-term mmorpg fix I am betting more on ArcheAge as it sounds like it will create world with more interdependancy, connections, etc between players and will have some sandboxy-like features which I am craving for.
Still those two games - GW2 and ArcheAge will not imo be direct competitors as they'll be very diffrent yet hopefully both very decent.
It might be first time in my life I will play two mmorpg's at same time. (still think AA will be main one) as until now I was "serial monogamist" as I don't hop between various mmo all the time.
What are you guys talking about....TOR just came out.
Amazes me how much MMO's have digressed which each "Gen"...thank you WOW.
Both GW2 and The Secret World are my last hopes before I give up.
Both are GUESSED for release the same time, around first or second quarter of 2012.
However something about the Secret World web site scars me. It's informative, but something looks fake about it. I can't put my finger on it !
Don't lose hope. Soon Blizzard will announce Titan and it will all be good again.
TOR was "alltalk" but they didn't deliver most of what they told... For instance they told us they'll put R back to mmorpg... but they forgot to tell us they'll remove the MM and P to fill out those Rs.... I'm playing it because I have nothing else to play, and I'm enjoying the story so far...
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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I agree that I look forwards to GW2 changing the world, but I will remind you all of some of the other awesome mmos that haven't comed out yet, who I think is just as amazing as gw2, that would be:
Wildstar, Archeage, Salem. Those are 3 other mmorpgs who I think all have something unique to them, and those are my last glimmer of hope + gw2
So much looking forwards to it! xD!
I've lost all my hopes in blizzard ever since they sold their asses to activision... They're milking wow players like idiots and refuse to do something new with wow.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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Can't you see that the games us vets would like will not make the industry any money? I only have faith in Indie companies stepping up and carving a niche that can support there efforts.
agree - looking forward to GW2 but not as any last hope
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I think GW2 will be a good game, but as far as fantasy goes I think Copernicus will be better. Ken Rolston, R.A. Salvatore, i dk, I am a bit tired of the Euro fantasy game but you don't get more rpg than those guys. Then ther is ArcheAge, Light and Dark 2, Age of Wulin and TSW as well as TERA. There are going to be some gems out there but the market overall is going to be more niche, which imo is a good thing. One thing I am really hoping for is City of Heroes 2 or a really good spiritual sucessor to COH with todays graphics tech.
Honestly my pick is between TSW and Wildstar
And what the hell is THQ doing with WAR 40k, haven't heard anything in quite some time on that game.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
looking forward to GW2, PSO2 and possibly ArcheAge as far as MMO's go. i just want one that's up to the stadards of other game genres for once. if it releases in a state similar to SWTOR..no go though.
For me the games are GW2 and Dominus. GW2 of course. But admittedly, the journey in Rift was fun, but thats about it.
GW2 has really the massively-multiplayer features and content, on a buy-to-play model that will trump anything that has come out in the last several years, Im hoping.
Skyrim filled it already for me, sure its not an mmo or even a coop, but as the things was standing, it's still very good. At least we are reminded that a real rpg is still doable.
For the mmo genre, ye GW2 definitely, even though i'll rather have a sandbox, i just don't believe much in to Archeage nor TSW, and GW2 design look just so much better. Blizz will probably release some info soon on Titan and i sure want to know, but that won't release before few years anyway. There is also Lineage Eternal that look really great, i hope they will put more that just massive mob bashing in it, but even that look good as it is and could probably give some fun time.
I'm a habitual pessimist, especially where mmos are concerned but I must say things are beginning to look up. After this massive turd of that Star Wars game, even the thickest of investors will finally realize that blindly copying everything that is WRONG with the genre, but now with bigger budget and more VO, is NOT the way to go... unless you want to fail for tax evasion reasons that is.
Anyways besides GW2, which does look to be the most innovative and best polished upcoming mmo, there are other very promising games coming up. There is TSW and Archeage, to name the most prominent ones, and let us not forget Firefall and Planetside 2 which both promise to finally deliver a full-blooded mmofps. If just one of these 5 games proves to be what it promises, I think 2012 will be the best year for mmos since 2004.
Well I'm willing to give Blizz the benefit of the doubt. Considering how all their top Devs were moved to "Titan" while the Dev's remaining are facing the most hostility, ridicule, and scrutiney in WoW's history I think. I really loathe GC and wonder if the "degragation of WoW" started when that dipshit started to make the call. There is none of the original WoW team left I think now.
I think VO is an awesome feature however SWTOR reminds me what one of my supervisor's said on my PPt which had a lot of bells n whistles with the special effects. And that is you don't need a whole lot of em which SWTOR went a bit overkill imo. ANet I think has it spot on in that the real quality VO will stay w/in the personal story and not having it for every single damn interaction.
I do not think traditional MMO players are going to like GW2 in the combat sense. In older mmos you just sat there and exchanged hits and you could not dodge projectiles because the homed in on you. In GW2 you can dodge any attack that comes at you with any race and profession using the dodge button. This dodge button can be used a few times until it has to cooldown or gain back its energy.
If the traditional MMO gamer wants traditional combat in GW2 they will have to be tanky or have warrior type armor ( Warrior, Guardian professions) to sit there and take the hits. The combat system in GW2 is great because it leans towards realism in a fantasy environment. Does an Ranger arrow chase you? Easy answer is no. Maybe if it was enchanted it could.
-I am here to perform logic
If by realism you mean dodging an arrow? Even the most average long bow could shoot an arrow at speed which you could not dodge it. So realisticly if an ranger/archer had you in his sights when he released the arrow, its done. Your hit. Theres no need for a chasing arrow.
Anyways for me GW2 is a glimmer of hope to see something different, archage being the another. As for TSW I am sorry but I cant get past Funcom. What they excel at is hyping their game. What they are horrible at is making the game work. Theres and old saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I refuse to get suckred in a second time. The old AO community was preeching how horrible funcom was on the AoC board, most didnt listen, but now with 2 games with horindus launches, it would be foolish for someone not to look at past evidence. Writting it off because "you" want TSW to be good is even more foolish. Besides that if I am not mistaken TSW uses same engine as AoC. The game should be beautiful. But the same limitations will be there. Its going to be over instanced, which I cant stand in an MMORPG.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
GW2 is the only game I'm excited about right now. ArenaNet's approach to the game; trying to solve the problems of the genre, iterating and polishing until it's perfect (not just good or ok), and not talking about anything unless it's already working in the game just all make me think that this is a company that is going to make something special.
It's also the B2P model. It's so much better than P2P for the customer. It's cheaper. It doesn't lock you into a game and also leads to more stable populations since people have no incentive to stop playing. It also forces the company to put out quality expansions that you want to voluntarily purchase. P2P I just don't think there's any correlation between what you're paying and what you're getting. Rift is much smaller than WoW, but they put out content faster because each sub is more important to them.
That's it right there really. I'm trying to keep an open mind and learn about all the other upcoming games, but really, the company I think is going to put out the best product is also putting out for cheaper than the going rate. How can I even get excited about anything else?
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007