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Pvp ? Oh my God what a joke!!!
Mesfenlir
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First of all let me begin saying I am not a native speaking person so apologies for my low level.
Been a player of warhammer 2 years, I play mmos mostly for the pvp, I played conan , aion ,even darkfall.
The reasons I say swtor pvp is pathetic are:
1) Only 3 warfronts - I know they will add more later but still, war had 16 at the beginning of the game (2 more later)
2) They mix level 10 players against 50s. I dont know who was the genius that took this decision. I dont care if you are buffed to 50 level. If you are against 5 level 50 players and you have 3 under 20s well.... And things will get worse in the future when a lot of players will be pvp full geared.
3) You cant choose the wf you wish to join.
4) Too much cc - they never learned the lesson from war.
5) Fighting is chaotic due to camera position - Its too big the view (I dont know if you can change that)
6) IU doesnt help much either.
7) Unbalanced (operative/smuggler)
8) No rewards for killing players on open pvp.
9) Pvp servers are a joke.
10) Instanced zones.
And so.... If you have a strong pve game (like swtor is) its no big deal but:
1) Crafting sucks.
2) A lot of bugs.
3) Too linear.
4) Voice quests are great but 90% of them are useless.
5) Guilds are...... wait, guilds? Or a bunch of friends together? Not many options.
6) My personal opinion, music is not as great as I expected, I can say that one of the main songs its directly inspired in a roman movie, ben-hur maybe? Not bad at all but compared to conan´s......
7) Few classes and you cant change your spec after you chose it.
8) Only humanoids, no jawas, yodas etc.... as a class.
I am not a hater, rest assure. All in all I think the game has a lot of possibilities if improved correctly but it will take months and by the time it happens, guildwars2 will be released (hoping)
I think star wars galaxies was a thousand times better than this. I feel sorry for the veterans hearing the main reason they play this game its because there is no other star wars mmo and they can talk again with fellow gamers. 
For me its a big dissapoint but if people enjoy it, good for them.
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Wrong section.
So...
1) Agree, they need more warzones.
2) Agree, buffing levels is a poor substitution for missing abilities.
3) Agree, I hate Voidstar but can't avoid it because I have no choice which warzone I end up in.
4) Agree, there are no CC immunities or diminishing returns, if more than one player decides to focus CC on you, then you could be dead before you can do anything.
5) Agree, need to be able to scroll the camera out further, its annoying in PvE too.
6) Agree, UI layout is annoying, need my four bars at the bottom and better key binding options.
7) Disagree, there are no noticable balance issues with the classes, just takes team work.
8) Not sure about this one, Ilum, the open world PvP at 50 has rewards through daily quests, so maybe that just needs expanding to all levels?
9) Agree, game clearly isn't designed to have open world PvP as you level up, so much of the leveling time the factions are totally seperate.
10) Disagree, there are very few instances in the game, you spend 70% of the time in the open world, but the world designs don't really support open world PvP.
1) What you can craft sucks (other than BioChem), but the system is pretty good.
2) Disagree, not had more than two bugs in 50 levels.
3) That is personal opinion, I don't care how linear it is provided it is fun.
4) Disagree, rather have voice overs than text.
5) Agree, guild tools are nonexistent.
6) Music is the best thing, so much of it is directly taken from the films which are classics.
7) You can respec, you can't change your class, but you can respec your skill trees for a cost (free the first time).
8) This was a resource decision, I don't like it, but they had a finite budget to work with.
Could be worse, still better than the farce that was city raiding in WAR.
That was one big ramble of nothing.
OP, you may be interested to know that much like every other themepark MMO, PvP wasn't the main focus. I know, how horrifying!
Good that you noticed it is not a pvp game and moved on
if y7ou want to be a palading the closest thing there is in the game is a trooper commando medic
It was the main focus in WAR
. Not that it turned out well, but I'm just saying.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Even though PVP is not a fcous of the game but still i am having a lot of fun playing on PVP server a lot more than i had in 2 years playing WAR. guess depends upon server to server and players you are playing with.
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Pvp is not the main focus? Well what about Bioware saying that endgamers would have nice pvp content to look forward to? Does that not account for something? >.> (Besides, it is Star Wars and was always a battle between good and evil.. How can that not make sense? Lol)
BW is pretty new to multplayer and especially massive multiplayer. Give it some time to sort itself out or be happy with what the game is doing right and play that content.
Whether PvP is not the main focus, it needs to be given more focus for long-term viability of the game. The other theme parks tacked it on as an afterthought, and many of them are collecting dust in the bargin bin right now with a free to play model. The game is modeled around galactic war between the Jedi and the Sith, to shrug off the PvP aspect of your game and boil it down to something like Hutball is a mistake in my opinion. I wouldn't hold previous theme parks up as the model to follow given their track record of long term viability, and I think what the OP is saying carries some merit.
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Just about everything you mentioned is being worked on, or better when you hit 50.
Bioware was smart in making everyone grouped together, otherwise people who hit 50 in the first week would be waiting for hours for the servers to gather enough people for a single match. The game is NEW. Content is not fully implemented yet, which means new warzones will come, just be patient. Full 50s brackets will come soon, and people such as myself will no longer have to be queued with level 10s trying to tell me what to do (It gets REALLY annoying).
So complaints will go unanswered unless you grow some patience and wait for this game to grow up a little. Just be happy it is playable SW MMO and there for you, unlike SWG.
Really dont understand why IP which are so setup for PvP conflicts are not implementing much of PvP. LotrO is the worst one in this cathegory but SW:TORs PvP is not far behind.
Three warzones, from level 10-50 and mixing players with zero equipment to maxed out equipment and skills. Really, whoever made that decision should have his ass removed and replaced with his head.
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This isn't the PvP game your looking for. Move along.
Uhm so we should be happy just to have a SW MMO, regardless if it is any good or not? Gees, I guess we should be happy about Star Trek Online too?
For the record, I think SW:TOR is a pretty good PvE game but the PvP is an utter joke.
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Most of the rambling he said has nothing to do with pvp.
Also all mid to high level worlds NEVER phase. I just spent 3 hours flagged (on a RP server btw) in republic lands on Belsavis and didn't see a single Republic players. Why? Because the high level pop isn't high enough yet ... not because the world is phased.
For the most part I enjoy the hell out of pvp. I waited until I was over 30 and geared and having been doing well against level 50's ever since. There needs tweaking such as Ilum rework (somewhat), changes to bolster or when enough 50's to put them in their own tier and rewards for open world pvp participation.
Those are growing pain tweaks and are expected. But most importantly ... this has never been advertised as a pvp game. Coming here to do that primarily at launch only reveals your personal failers.
BTW I actually like Huttball. Sports would obviously be a huge part in any genre/universe. If you play it as one it is fun as hell. Force leapers and tanks are great assets too. CC isn't that much of a deal if you understand how resolve works. CC is part of the game and you have to be patient and not get upset over it. Everyone is equally victim to it. Traps are also great. When fighting knockback classes you simply have to force the fight to where you want it and watch your facing and position. Getting knocked off bridges or into traps is your own fault. Traps are part of Huttball and add to it's strategy.
I think the biggest issue with Huttball is that most video gamers have never played real competive sports. I won't lie ... I am what you would call a jock. I have played collegiate level sports for years and continue my fitness through gym and mma training. I love competition but sport is different than war. You take your losses in stride and work on strategy over vengeance. You understand when you are outmatched yet never give up and give respect to the winner. Most importantly you learn from both your victories and losses.
I see too many players in this game who lack the maturity and patience to play a sport.
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I dont know what you mean with advertised as PvP but the lead game designers have repeteadly said that this game will have alot of endgame PvP content and even said they have people from WAR to achieve just that. So tt sounds more like you dont want it to be the focus so rather revealing your personal failers.
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At least someone else was paying attention to all the info BW was making pretty crystal clear. xD
I second this. SWTOR deserves to be criticized on its PvP. Trying to act as if PvP is allowed to suck in SWTOR because it wasn't the "main focus." Is such a cop out.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
You are the one voicing opinion. You assumed there would be the level of content upon release to entertain you. I have read no such promises from Bioware. They only stated the mechanics they put into the game. You have played those mechanics and feel it is lacking. Therefore you come to the forums to cry about it instead of simply becoming self aware, dealing with it or moving on.
There has only ever been one thing promised about this game ... that it is a voice acted, story driven mmo. The game is the collection of all the included mechanics. To judge an entire game from one mechanic is silly. It isn't it's focus. It will however change, be ballanced and have content added to pvp. You really need to sit back and look at yourself. You come to complain about something, mock others ... and then go back and play the same game? Who are you trying to convince? Us? We didn't make the game. Give feedback to Bioware. Specifically test the mechanics you think are lacking and provide alternatives. There is nothing balanced in your feedback. Just screaming and insults as if Bioware and anyone who doesn't agree to all your points has personally devoted their lives to making yours worse.
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PvP in Swtor is balanced and fun.
The 10-50 warzones are a great idea.
Pvp is just the new bandwagon the haters and trolls are jumping on because they failed at hating everything else (they were proven wrong).
This. I am actually suprised how good the bolster system is. I wouldn't pay them any attention, it's the same 3-4 people that apparently dislike the game but sure do find reason to visit it's forum. Kinda sad really.
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Naw, man. Anyone who has experience with PVP in MMOs can tell you that what SWTOR brings to the table is complete garbage. It's has some great PVE and it's a very well made game, but don't kid yourself or anyone reading these forums who might be curious about giving SWTOR a shot.
SWTOR is far from perfect, bud. It has some of the worst PVP I've ever seen in an MMO, and I've pretty much played them all.
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So that must be why Darkfall is doing gang busters right now.
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First of all, you are the one who started with the mocking of other people, I just returned in kind. Second of all I am not crying or screaming about anything, I am simply stating the fact that PvP is simply lacking in this game and that Bioware has repeteadly said that they will have alot of PvP content in the end game.
Besides I dont need to move on about anything, this is a forum and people discuss games here. If you can't handle that then it is you who need to move on.
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