Wouldn't you miss like half the 'content' in GW2 by skipping the walking? I mean isn't that how they give out quests inthis game, when you enter the place they are happening? If you never walk there will you ever get the quests? And if not, why would you ever go there if you dont have to?
GW2 looked to me to be the only one to get the idea of 'rewarding the explorer' right. Honestly I pitty anyone who plays GW2 that wants to avoid walking around, I think you will miss more than you will gain in saving the time.
you cant teleport anywhere unless you have discovered that place on foot first... So you will have to do alot of walking still... you just wont have to walk or ride an obnoxiously long taxi in order to get back to where you have been already
Most likely players will use the teleport to get to the general area they want to be and then roam around looking for trouble to get into.
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i don't mind running if the landscapes im running across are interesting to look at, in swtor they are dull and lifeless. also you don't have to use the teleports in guild wars 2, you can run still run to places if thats your prefered method of travel.
The title of this thread is very misleading. I would call it "If you don't want to walk from point A to B and back to A (without making a stop somewhere else), you'll love this game."
You'll never need to accept quest rewards.
You'll be rewarded for exploration every time trough new DE's kicking off.
This makes walking/going on a journey alone very satisfying and you never feel like wasting time, because the devs don't want you to waste a lot of time for the sake of paying more subscription fees.
The title of this thread is very misleading. I would call it "If you don't want to walk from point A to B and back to A (without making a stop somewhere else), you'll love this game."
You'll never need to accept quest rewards.
You'll be rewarded for exploration every time trough new DE's kicking off.
This makes walking/going on a journey alone very satisfying and you never feel like wasting time, because the devs don't want you to waste a lot of time for the sake of paying more subscription fees.
The title of this thread is very misleading. I would call it "If you don't want to walk from point A to B and back to A (without making a stop somewhere else), you'll love this game."
You'll never need to accept quest rewards.
You'll be rewarded for exploration every time trough new DE's kicking off.
This makes walking/going on a journey alone very satisfying and you never feel like wasting time, because the devs don't want you to waste a lot of time for the sake of paying more subscription fees.
but there is no subscription fee
That's the point. They realized that a lot of the walking/travelling in many MMOs is simply time-sink... time spent to give the illusion of getting your money's worth for a monthly fee. Without that monthly fee, ANet instead can work a system that makes more sense and will be more fun to the majority... the option to keep on running or for map travel. It's your story after all... you should choose how you get around in it.
So are the "dynamic" quests in GW2 set in stone by specific locations, or is it possible to begin a "random" quest by traveling the same road multiple times and let's say coming across a traveler npc who will trigger a quest?
That would be pretty dang cool
That's in and possible. Not the example because I don't know but it was my 2nd question to the dev while playing at PAX, you will witness stuff like that.
Also just to add while I agree, I'm sure a lot of SWTOR players will disagree yet first impressions could assume that, I kow there was a lot of extraneous running on the starter area on sith side, to me it isn't as fun as Typhone, I actually wish the starter area had more life or atleast some ambient like sand blowing but that's minor.
Also note you'll have to do a lot of running to discover points but what I like is how you'll discover things to do which are very interesting, it isn't static.
Though if I'm wrong someone could post videos in game footage to prove any of these points wrong, I mean I tried both games but I could still be wrong. Thanks.
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Too bad that many subscription game developers don't realize that unbriddled time sinks don't equal longer subscriptions, they actually encourage many people to unsubscribe well before they would have used up all the actual content and damage replayability.
Personally I hate useless running like in SWTOR. I loved fast travel in GW and I like what I hear about it in GW2. Sure most of the time you will want to walk for dynamic events but I still love the idea that I can fast travel when I feel like it.
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What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing. People don't want to do anything for a top level char, people don't want to bother developing their character at all, people don't want to compete with others unless they have the upper hand.
As for the whole principle of proper crafting etc and how games don't even have it anymore because, people don't like anything that requires effort. We'll all be playing pong soon, with double width, stealth paddles.
This right here.
Remove any and all obstacles, inject casual mode FTW.
Posting gold, stealing that for my quote.
And the sad thing is, they don't even realize it until one day they "come to" and wonder why these MMORPG's feel so bland and lifeless and think that perhaps they've grown out of the genre.
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I am completely down with the no running, insta-teleport philosophy.
I cut my graphical MMO teeth on UO. And UO, despite being a "hardcore-oldschool-sandbox" had the most permissive insta-teleport system in any game...ever. You could have any amount of "runes" in your inventory and mark a rune for ANY coordinate in the game. You could them "recall" to that rune's marked location any time. You could even trade runes!
And I really miss that. In UO, you rarely ever spent time just walking to where you wanted to go. You would just mark a rune when you got to a cool place, and then, in the future, recall there and go! It was so much fun because it nearly completed eliminated walking to a place you've already been.
I do like running you know beeing part of the world not just teleporting from hub to hub so does that mean i will hate GW2?
No, that just means you won't be teleporting.
Just like people who play SKyrim and want to run everywhere, where running places is rewarded by finding new stuff and seeing beautiful vistas.
Welcome to the world of choice,my friend. GW2 loves you too.
Cool cool so in the end its the same as SWOTOR than i can tele or fast travel if i want to but dont have to use it the only differents is hmmm well the name?? Dunno what it is but hey doesnt matter all hail GW2 the game that will make everything just the same but somehow its all different.....still i really do hope the game will be good tho having a good f2p backup game is always nice
I do like running you know beeing part of the world not just teleporting from hub to hub so does that mean i will hate GW2?
No, that just means you won't be teleporting.
Just like people who play SKyrim and want to run everywhere, where running places is rewarded by finding new stuff and seeing beautiful vistas.
Welcome to the world of choice,my friend. GW2 loves you too.
Cool cool so in the end its the same as SWOTOR than i can tele or fast travel if i want to but dont have to use it the only differents is hmmm well the name?? Dunno what it is but hey doesnt matter all hail GW2 the game that will make everything just the same but somehow its all different.....still i really do hope the game will be good tho having a good f2p backup game is always nice
The difference is that in GW2, you will be able to pull up the map at anytime, and teleport to any waypoint in the world that you have been to before. There is no cooldown.
In SWTOR, you can teleport to waypoints only on the planet you are on, and on a 30 minute cooldown. You also have to do significant walking around the fleet and your ship to get to where you want.
That aside though, we don't know how tightly spaced the waypoints in GW2 are. If they are pretty sparse then you will wind up doing a lot of walking. We'll just have to see how they are at open beta or release.
I think some developers think that walking for walking sake makes the world feel so much bigger. Maybe so but it also means that a lot of people have a lot less time to actually "play the game" and so on. To me lots of walking only pisses me off.
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Not so immersive, but 10 times the fun. running or riding the same road over and over again is not fun in my book.
(tough i still think that my first almost naked run from Freeport to Qeynos in EQ was one of the most exciting MMO moments i have ever had, but that was in another place and time)
The thing I have observed is that the "old days" of having to travel great distances by foot were good back then because a) the MMO community was small, and each of us had a smaller likelihood of having a spouse/family member/other loved one or friend playing alongside us, therefore the opportunity and DRIVE was there to meet other people. As a result, you played with whomever was near, and made friends that way.
These days, with the MMO market having expanded, we are more likely to play a game with existing friends, guildies, significant others or other family members, whom we want to stick with, and as a result the drive is not to "play with whoever's nearby" but "play near to the person of our choosing." This is where covering long distances becomes a liability; it is not merely inconvenient and a timesink, but prevents people from playing with the people of their choice. Again, it worked back in the day when the audience was different, but nowadays how many people would want to play with a stranger across the virtual world over their friends? Not many, I'd wager.
Originally posted by Serelisk Originally posted by sidhaethe
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Not so immersive, but 10 times the fun. running or riding the same road over and over again is not fun in my book. (tough i still think that my first almost naked run from Freeport to Qeynos in EQ was one of the most exciting MMO moments i have ever had, but that was in another place and time)
The thing I have observed is that the "old days" of having to travel great distances by foot were good back then because a) the MMO community was small, and each of us had a smaller likelihood of having a spouse/family member/other loved one or friend playing alongside us, therefore the opportunity and DRIVE was there to meet other people. As a result, you played with whomever was near, and made friends that way. These days, with the MMO market having expanded, we are more likely to play a game with existing friends, guildies, significant others or other family members, whom we want to stick with, and as a result the drive is not to "play with whoever's nearby" but "play near to the person of our choosing." This is where covering long distances becomes a liability; it is not merely inconvenient and a timesink, but prevents people from playing with the people of their choice. Again, it worked back in the day when the audience was different, but nowadays how many people would want to play with a stranger across the virtual world over their friends? Not many, I'd wager. As you said, it was another place and time. Where's b? o.o I had a pretty gloomy day. You sir, have brightened it.
I do like running you know beeing part of the world not just teleporting from hub to hub so does that mean i will hate GW2?
No, that just means you won't be teleporting.
Just like people who play SKyrim and want to run everywhere, where running places is rewarded by finding new stuff and seeing beautiful vistas.
Welcome to the world of choice,my friend. GW2 loves you too.
Cool cool so in the end its the same as SWOTOR than i can tele or fast travel if i want to but dont have to use it the only differents is hmmm well the name?? Dunno what it is but hey doesnt matter all hail GW2 the game that will make everything just the same but somehow its all different.....still i really do hope the game will be good tho having a good f2p backup game is always nice
Yes they are the same but different, I'll demostrate
Now if you do choose to watch these you will do the following Stay ignorant, admit true differense, show sarcasm, not respond, hate it more, be a victim, claim it's an korean based game even though it's made by western devs who are just branching out to places and not just some of overseas but china and korea of course, umm note that in the GW 2 vid he's just by himself majority of the others moving is npcs and enemie npcs, now you may do something else or may even surprise me Doom, but I'm in no way trying to make you change the way you do things how ever I just wanted to give you conrecrete info and/or visuals of each game.
Also I'm sure you'll still say GW 2 isn't all that different and great, I mean in fact it isn't and it's mechanics are different.
Now if you want some more comparisms, I can bring Rift and WoW as well as others into this showcasing their starting areas and if you want me to I can show all .
In conclusion I think all these games are great, of course I favor GW 2 as of right now because I actually dispite my hate I had for it, decided to go to PAX and try it out, and I've tried SWTOR as well, oh and got to beta test TSW, if that counts for any cred but oh well.
Any ways takecare bro and do you.
Oh and both the links look similar should be fixed now.
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Also, in youtube, you can right click on the time slider and it gives you an option to copy the link at the current location, so you won't have to tell people to skip ahead to the right moment.
The player is exploring the human capital city, runs up to a waypoint to unlock it, then brings up the map to port back to a waypoint they unlocked in part 1 of this video. You can see several other waypoints on the map as well. Yes, this city is so big it has what looks like it might be 13+ waypoints just inside it.
Just to clarify (maybe this isn't the best video after all), this player could have teleported to an unlocked waypoint from anywhere, they didn't have to be standing on the one. There's a small fee for this.
GW2 will also have Asura Gate teleportation between all the major cities for free. They want players to be able to play with their friends right away regardless of race. You'll be able to access this pretty much immediately after finishing the tutorial. It was disabled for the demo, but this is what it looks like (if you played GW1 EOTN you already know). http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oxx_sDlFuQw#t=638s
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Not so immersive, but 10 times the fun. running or riding the same road over and over again is not fun in my book. (tough i still think that my first almost naked run from Freeport to Qeynos in EQ was one of the most exciting MMO moments i have ever had, but that was in another place and time)
The thing I have observed is that the "old days" of having to travel great distances by foot were good back then because a) the MMO community was small, and each of us had a smaller likelihood of having a spouse/family member/other loved one or friend playing alongside us, therefore the opportunity and DRIVE was there to meet other people. As a result, you played with whomever was near, and made friends that way. These days, with the MMO market having expanded, we are more likely to play a game with existing friends, guildies, significant others or other family members, whom we want to stick with, and as a result the drive is not to "play with whoever's nearby" but "play near to the person of our choosing." This is where covering long distances becomes a liability; it is not merely inconvenient and a timesink, but prevents people from playing with the people of their choice. Again, it worked back in the day when the audience was different, but nowadays how many people would want to play with a stranger across the virtual world over their friends? Not many, I'd wager. As you said, it was another place and time.
Where's b? o.o
b) teleported to another post because it got tired of walking to meet up with a).
Alternatively, imagine it inserted just after my "therefore".
Wouldn't you miss like half the 'content' in GW2 by skipping the walking? I mean isn't that how they give out quests inthis game, when you enter the place they are happening? If you never walk there will you ever get the quests? And if not, why would you ever go there if you dont have to?
GW2 looked to me to be the only one to get the idea of 'rewarding the explorer' right. Honestly I pitty anyone who plays GW2 that wants to avoid walking around, I think you will miss more than you will gain in saving the time.
Actually, you pretty much answered your own post. Also, if I remember correctly, it was stated that you can't teleport anywhere on the map until you've opened it first. That was specifically in regards to waypoints, though. I imagine that doesn't apply to the Asura gates, as Waypoint teleporting isn't so much a teleport as it is a fast-forward, while the gates actually are a means a transportation.
But yeah, most people seem to forget that the option to do something isn't the same as being forced to do something. I have a lot of options in life, that doesn't mean I pursue all of them. Some days you'll want to explore. You might even want to explore all the time, and you are more than welcomed to, but at least you know that when your friend PMs you "SHIT WE NEED HELP AT [insert event]" you don't have to hoof it there and leave your team hangin'. You can be there at the drop of a hat.
And after you're done that, you can go back to walking about, if you so choose. I see no pitfalls to this system, except people claiming this breaks immersion. However, whether or not other people are teleporting about means nothing for your own experience, that's really a matter of 'mind your business.' It'd be different if this were an Open PvP world, where then the teleport mechanic could be abused to grief or escape, but this is not that type of game.
No clue on how, or even if, teleporting is a function in the WvWvW world, however. I'm willing to bet Anet's already taken that concern into consideration, though.
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What people want and what is good for an mmo is not always the same thing. People don't want to do anything for a top level char, people don't want to bother developing their character at all, people don't want to compete with others unless they have the upper hand. As for the whole principle of proper crafting etc and how games don't even have it anymore because, people don't like anything that requires effort. We'll all be playing pong soon, with double width, stealth paddles.
This right here.
Remove any and all obstacles, inject casual mode FTW.
Posting gold, stealing that for my quote.
And the sad thing is, they don't even realize it until one day they "come to" and wonder why these MMORPG's feel so bland and lifeless and think that perhaps they've grown out of the genre.
It's the genre that's outgrown them rather.
I don't understand what you mean. Care to explain it another way?
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you cant teleport anywhere unless you have discovered that place on foot first... So you will have to do alot of walking still... you just wont have to walk or ride an obnoxiously long taxi in order to get back to where you have been already
Most likely players will use the teleport to get to the general area they want to be and then roam around looking for trouble to get into.
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i don't mind running if the landscapes im running across are interesting to look at, in swtor they are dull and lifeless. also you don't have to use the teleports in guild wars 2, you can run still run to places if thats your prefered method of travel.
The title of this thread is very misleading. I would call it "If you don't want to walk from point A to B and back to A (without making a stop somewhere else), you'll love this game."
You'll never need to accept quest rewards.
You'll be rewarded for exploration every time trough new DE's kicking off.
This makes walking/going on a journey alone very satisfying and you never feel like wasting time, because the devs don't want you to waste a lot of time for the sake of paying more subscription fees.
but there is no subscription fee
That's the point. They realized that a lot of the walking/travelling in many MMOs is simply time-sink... time spent to give the illusion of getting your money's worth for a monthly fee. Without that monthly fee, ANet instead can work a system that makes more sense and will be more fun to the majority... the option to keep on running or for map travel. It's your story after all... you should choose how you get around in it.
Oderint, dum metuant.
You need to actually try the game before you assume. The SWTOR I am playing is visually pleasing.
That's in and possible. Not the example because I don't know but it was my 2nd question to the dev while playing at PAX, you will witness stuff like that.
Also just to add while I agree, I'm sure a lot of SWTOR players will disagree yet first impressions could assume that, I kow there was a lot of extraneous running on the starter area on sith side, to me it isn't as fun as Typhone, I actually wish the starter area had more life or atleast some ambient like sand blowing but that's minor.
Also note you'll have to do a lot of running to discover points but what I like is how you'll discover things to do which are very interesting, it isn't static.
Though if I'm wrong someone could post videos in game footage to prove any of these points wrong, I mean I tried both games but I could still be wrong. Thanks.
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Too bad that many subscription game developers don't realize that unbriddled time sinks don't equal longer subscriptions, they actually encourage many people to unsubscribe well before they would have used up all the actual content and damage replayability.
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I do like running you know beeing part of the world not just teleporting from hub to hub so does that mean i will hate GW2?
No, that just means you won't be teleporting.
Just like people who play SKyrim and want to run everywhere, where running places is rewarded by finding new stuff and seeing beautiful vistas.
Welcome to the world of choice,my friend. GW2 loves you too.
Personally I hate useless running like in SWTOR. I loved fast travel in GW and I like what I hear about it in GW2. Sure most of the time you will want to walk for dynamic events but I still love the idea that I can fast travel when I feel like it.
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Posting gold, stealing that for my quote.
And the sad thing is, they don't even realize it until one day they "come to" and wonder why these MMORPG's feel so bland and lifeless and think that perhaps they've grown out of the genre.
It's the genre that's outgrown them rather.
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I am completely down with the no running, insta-teleport philosophy.
I cut my graphical MMO teeth on UO. And UO, despite being a "hardcore-oldschool-sandbox" had the most permissive insta-teleport system in any game...ever. You could have any amount of "runes" in your inventory and mark a rune for ANY coordinate in the game. You could them "recall" to that rune's marked location any time. You could even trade runes!
And I really miss that. In UO, you rarely ever spent time just walking to where you wanted to go. You would just mark a rune when you got to a cool place, and then, in the future, recall there and go! It was so much fun because it nearly completed eliminated walking to a place you've already been.
I can't wait to get that feeling back with GW2
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Cool cool so in the end its the same as SWOTOR than i can tele or fast travel if i want to but dont have to use it the only differents is hmmm well the name?? Dunno what it is but hey doesnt matter all hail GW2 the game that will make everything just the same but somehow its all different.....still i really do hope the game will be good tho having a good f2p backup game is always nice
The difference is that in GW2, you will be able to pull up the map at anytime, and teleport to any waypoint in the world that you have been to before. There is no cooldown.
In SWTOR, you can teleport to waypoints only on the planet you are on, and on a 30 minute cooldown. You also have to do significant walking around the fleet and your ship to get to where you want.
That aside though, we don't know how tightly spaced the waypoints in GW2 are. If they are pretty sparse then you will wind up doing a lot of walking. We'll just have to see how they are at open beta or release.
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I think some developers think that walking for walking sake makes the world feel so much bigger. Maybe so but it also means that a lot of people have a lot less time to actually "play the game" and so on. To me lots of walking only pisses me off.
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Where's b? o.o
These days, with the MMO market having expanded, we are more likely to play a game with existing friends, guildies, significant others or other family members, whom we want to stick with, and as a result the drive is not to "play with whoever's nearby" but "play near to the person of our choosing." This is where covering long distances becomes a liability; it is not merely inconvenient and a timesink, but prevents people from playing with the people of their choice. Again, it worked back in the day when the audience was different, but nowadays how many people would want to play with a stranger across the virtual world over their friends? Not many, I'd wager.
As you said, it was another place and time.
Where's b? o.o
I had a pretty gloomy day. You sir, have brightened it.
BOOYAKA!
Yes they are the same but different, I'll demostrate
Swtor Starting area and intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fg3PusOdXk
Starting area of GW 2 intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfJ87G5tExQ&context=C3a83ff6ADOEgsToPDskITxoxbVNhWB9atWrR8_jbg
Starting area of Gw 2 -Gameplay
Skip to 8:22 to skip the Tutorial 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFfgpmUYooI&feature=context&context=C3a83ff6ADOEgsToPDskITxoxbVNhWB9atWrR8_jbg
Now if you do choose to watch these you will do the following Stay ignorant, admit true differense, show sarcasm, not respond, hate it more, be a victim, claim it's an korean based game even though it's made by western devs who are just branching out to places and not just some of overseas but china and korea of course, umm note that in the GW 2 vid he's just by himself majority of the others moving is npcs and enemie npcs, now you may do something else or may even surprise me Doom, but I'm in no way trying to make you change the way you do things how ever I just wanted to give you conrecrete info and/or visuals of each game.
Also I'm sure you'll still say GW 2 isn't all that different and great, I mean in fact it isn't and it's mechanics are different.
Now if you want some more comparisms, I can bring Rift and WoW as well as others into this showcasing their starting areas and if you want me to I can show all
.
In conclusion I think all these games are great, of course I favor GW 2 as of right now because I actually dispite my hate I had for it, decided to go to PAX and try it out, and I've tried SWTOR as well, oh and got to beta test TSW, if that counts for any cred but oh well.
Any ways takecare bro and do you.
Oh and both the links look similar should be fixed now.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Your 3rd link is the same as the 2nd.
Also, in youtube, you can right click on the time slider and it gives you an option to copy the link at the current location, so you won't have to tell people to skip ahead to the right moment.
A good example I think of the waypoint system in GW2 is here in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UP1TlHVqBt8#t=160s
The player is exploring the human capital city, runs up to a waypoint to unlock it, then brings up the map to port back to a waypoint they unlocked in part 1 of this video. You can see several other waypoints on the map as well. Yes, this city is so big it has what looks like it might be 13+ waypoints just inside it.
Just to clarify (maybe this isn't the best video after all), this player could have teleported to an unlocked waypoint from anywhere, they didn't have to be standing on the one. There's a small fee for this.
GW2 will also have Asura Gate teleportation between all the major cities for free. They want players to be able to play with their friends right away regardless of race. You'll be able to access this pretty much immediately after finishing the tutorial. It was disabled for the demo, but this is what it looks like (if you played GW1 EOTN you already know). http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oxx_sDlFuQw#t=638s
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b) teleported to another post because it got tired of walking to meet up with a).
Alternatively, imagine it inserted just after my "therefore".
This way of travel is from Guild Wars, you act as if this is a new idea.
Actually, you pretty much answered your own post. Also, if I remember correctly, it was stated that you can't teleport anywhere on the map until you've opened it first. That was specifically in regards to waypoints, though. I imagine that doesn't apply to the Asura gates, as Waypoint teleporting isn't so much a teleport as it is a fast-forward, while the gates actually are a means a transportation.
But yeah, most people seem to forget that the option to do something isn't the same as being forced to do something. I have a lot of options in life, that doesn't mean I pursue all of them. Some days you'll want to explore. You might even want to explore all the time, and you are more than welcomed to, but at least you know that when your friend PMs you "SHIT WE NEED HELP AT [insert event]" you don't have to hoof it there and leave your team hangin'. You can be there at the drop of a hat.
And after you're done that, you can go back to walking about, if you so choose. I see no pitfalls to this system, except people claiming this breaks immersion. However, whether or not other people are teleporting about means nothing for your own experience, that's really a matter of 'mind your business.' It'd be different if this were an Open PvP world, where then the teleport mechanic could be abused to grief or escape, but this is not that type of game.
No clue on how, or even if, teleporting is a function in the WvWvW world, however. I'm willing to bet Anet's already taken that concern into consideration, though.
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This right here.
Remove any and all obstacles, inject casual mode FTW.
Posting gold, stealing that for my quote.
And the sad thing is, they don't even realize it until one day they "come to" and wonder why these MMORPG's feel so bland and lifeless and think that perhaps they've grown out of the genre.
It's the genre that's outgrown them rather.
I don't understand what you mean. Care to explain it another way?Philosophy of MMO Game Design