Lack of PvP is why I never bought the game after beta. Too bad they didn't invest more time/money, because they have the perfect IP for faction-based world PvP. Ah well, too bad for me.
The game doesn't have world PVP, they say it does but I never see any of it and Ilum doesn't count, it is just AV battleground from WoW.
Ilum is nothing at all like AV and never will be...
Right now Ilum is broken as it is meant to be objective-based PvP but there is no reason at all to fight out there, just trade objectives. Once that changes, it could be quite fun.
The PVP in SWTOR is bad, it really is, I'm only valor rank 45 but still its starting to get a little bit tedious now. I haven't been dueling anyone since, I dunno, lvl 7 because there's no "real" place to duel at and practice outside warzones. And Illum, wow that's a joke, lets not go there.
Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.
your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.
If you want to Pvp, you don't play a fucking MMORPG.
If you want a single player RPG, you don't play a fucking MMORPG, oh wait, SWTOR, right.
Now, let's be serious here, if we were talking exclusively about esports mmorpg PVP, i would agree with you.
But PVP in MMORPGs is so much more than just COD PVP, (sieges, politics, teritorial control, resources)..
Obviously you would know that if you ever played an MMO with good PVP, so it's not your fault, i forgive you
Bioware hyped the PVP of this game, and it sucks, it's ok, you don't have to defend it just because it's " your game".
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time." otacu
Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.
your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.
If you want to Pvp, you don't play a fucking MMORPG.
lol, oh young one...
If you do a bit of research you will find that PvP is a core competitive element that has been around since the birth of the MMO genre even when it started back in the days of MUDS. Just because WOW and it's clones like SWOTR don't have decent PvP doesn't mean PvP doesn't fit in MMOs. It means the developers are doign a poor job of building their games and just tacking on some PvP and promoting it like some major innovative part of the game.
I don't think people should be content that the PvP is bad. In fact in a game called Star Wars I expect interfaction PvP to be one of the key features under this particular franchise. Think about it. What was the reason you started playing? Why is it that you need to pick a side?
Most answers probably consist of wanting to be immersed in the star wars universe but in this universe you are inevitably going to "Use the force and kick someone's ass." or force the ass to kick itself if you're Lightside. The smuggler has an enemy and that's them pesky bounty hunters. Reps vs Imps and of course Dark vs Light.
My point is that one of the keys to their awesomeness lie in the conflict that is shown in the lore. If this conflict is poorly implemented (from what I have read about Ilum), Combat doesn't 'feel' right (Ability lag) or if it is unbalanced (Instaskills vs elaborate animations and that max lvl scaling stuff)
If the combat for a world that is mostly about conflict is poor then something went very wrong somewhere along the line.
I also know that they never said the combat was going to be awesome but it's something you half expect from such big names behind it.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.
your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.
If you want to Pvp, you don't play a fucking MMORPG.
If you want a single player RPG, you don't play a fucking MMORPG, oh wait, SWTOR, right.
Now, let's be serious here, if we were talking exclusively about esports mmorpg PVP, i would agree with you.
But PVP in MMORPGs is so much more than just COD PVP, (sieges, politics, teritorial control, resources)..
Obviously you would know that if you ever played an MMO with good PVP, so it's not your fault, i forgive you
Bioware hyped the PVP of this game, and it sucks, it's ok, you don't have to defend it just because it's " your game".
I know the Pvp sucks, but thats not why I am playing it!
The PvP in SWTOR was talked about even before released. Many have expressed their likes and dislikes. it's not ground breaking but enough information was given out to to allow people to make an informed decision before purchasing.
I have pvp'd in many mmo's. Its hard to find pvp I dont like except where exploiters can have free-reign. SWTOR's pvp is standard fare for a themepark. I have fun doing it, especially warzones.
I could also turn around and have fun in Fallen Earth or Mortal Online's pvp too.
I think those that expect SWTOR to be different in pvp are delusional.
A LONG TIME AGO people started saying what swtor was about and yet people who load it up now are pissed about what they see. I dont get it. I for one was very hesitant to buy it myself. But decided to after I read alot about it. Its not boring like Rift and after level 30 its not as facerollish as wow. The developers actually put some thought into the leveling process.
I dont see anyone bunny-hopping, lag-jumping, or using foliage hacks to exploit so its got that going for it.
Huttball rules though.
Im not even a star-wars fan and know almost zero lore.
I don't think people should be content that the PvP is bad. In fact in a game called Star Wars I expect interfaction PvP to be one of the key features under this particular franchise. Think about it. What was the reason you started playing? Why is it that you need to pick a side?
Most answers probably consist of wanting to be immersed in the star wars universe but in this universe you are inevitably going to "Use the force and kick someone's ass." or force the ass to kick itself if you're Lightside. The smuggler has an enemy and that's them pesky bounty hunters. Reps vs Imps and of course Dark vs Light.
My point is that one of the keys to their awesomeness lie in the conflict that is shown in the lore. If this conflict is poorly implemented (from what I have read about Ilum), Combat doesn't 'feel' right (Ability lag) or if it is unbalanced (Instaskills vs elaborate animations and that max lvl scaling stuff)
If the combat for a world that is mostly about conflict is poor then something went very wrong somewhere along the line.
I also know that they never said the combat was going to be awesome but it's something you half expect from such big names behind it.
Nothing went wrong, this is what Bioware, Lucas Arts and EA wanted.
Make a farily generic MMO, play it safe, cut corners everywhere (no day & cycles, free engine, rainbow humans with the same body, remove armor color-matching because there aren't enough armor models, etc etc).
They know that most people would buy a 10000$ turd if it had the STAR WARS name on it. (not saying that SWTOR is a turd, im enjoying it a lot), so.... WHY BOTHER?
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time." otacu
Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.
your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.
If you want to Pvp, you don't play a fucking MMORPG.
If you want a single player RPG, you don't play a fucking MMORPG, oh wait, SWTOR, right.
Now, let's be serious here, if we were talking exclusively about esports mmorpg PVP, i would agree with you.
But PVP in MMORPGs is so much more than just COD PVP, (sieges, politics, teritorial control, resources)..
Obviously you would know that if you ever played an MMO with good PVP, so it's not your fault, i forgive you
Bioware hyped the PVP of this game, and it sucks, it's ok, you don't have to defend it just because it's " your game".
I know the Pvp sucks, but thats not why I am playing it!
The PvP in SWTOR was talked about even before released. Many have expressed their likes and dislikes. it's not ground breaking but enough information was given out to to allow people to make an informed decision before purchasing.
"PvP – We have an entire team dedicated to adding content and features to player vs. player. We have some of the most experienced PvP developers in the world on this team. So far very few people have seen, or know much about the stunning Open World PVP on Ilum; when you get to the high levels prepare to be blown away! In addition to that high level PVP content, expect new Warzones and new PvP features on a regular basis."
-Daniel Erickson
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time." otacu
Looking at the thread it seems to me quite a few of the posts are possative about it too . So its not exacly overwhelmingly displeased .
Yeah SWTORs pvp is perfectly fine
and the sky is purple. Whatever floats your boat.
And a troll is a troll .
Aw good ol WoW comebacks. I can do that too, watch
/ahem clears throat, Fail reply is fail.
Btw I wrote more, you can copy and reply to that if you wish.
Fastest selling mmo of all times a fail ??? lol well done with that comeback . I bet most games would love to have the kind of faliure ToR is having .
love when ppl write in yellow, so ill dog this fool writing in white. google crossfire mmofps. ill wait.....you find it yet? oh whats that? 860 mil in china alone??? in one year?? get your facts straight before you sound like a dumass on a public forum. go team yellow.
edit=oh and if you wanna get technical and be that panzy that tries to win this with grammar, "fastest selling mmo of all time" your wrong again, codmw3, 6.5 million units in 24h in 2 countries, us/uk. team yellow lives.
I think the case he was trying to make is SWTOR is the fastest selling MMO-RPG to date.. Most games have stuck MMO on their categories but not every game is an MMORPG
COD-MW3 is a MMO-FPS not an RPG. You seriously cannot compare COD to any RPG game on the market,
Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.
your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.
If you want to Pvp, you don't play a fucking MMORPG.
If you want a single player RPG, you don't play a fucking MMORPG, oh wait, SWTOR, right.
Now, let's be serious here, if we were talking exclusively about esports mmorpg PVP, i would agree with you.
But PVP in MMORPGs is so much more than just COD PVP, (sieges, politics, teritorial control, resources)..
Obviously you would know that if you ever played an MMO with good PVP, so it's not your fault, i forgive you
Bioware hyped the PVP of this game, and it sucks, it's ok, you don't have to defend it just because it's " your game".
I know the Pvp sucks, but thats not why I am playing it!
The PvP in SWTOR was talked about even before released. Many have expressed their likes and dislikes. it's not ground breaking but enough information was given out to to allow people to make an informed decision before purchasing.
"PvP – We have an entire team dedicated to adding content and features to player vs. player. We have some of the most experienced PvP developers in the world on this team. So far very few people have seen, or know much about the stunning Open World PVP on Ilum; when you get to the high levels prepare to be blown away! In addition to that high level PVP content, expect new Warzones and new PvP features on a regular basis."
-Daniel Erickson
Lol! See, you had expectations! I didn't and still don't.
How's the PvP working out for you? It's not is it!
This is the part where you decide if you want to stick around and see improvements or move on find a new game to play.
I think the case he was trying to make is SWTOR is the fastest selling MMO-RPG to date.. Most games have stuck MMO on their categories but not every game is an MMORPG
COD-MW3 is a MMO-FPS not an RPG. You seriously cannot compare COD to any RPG game on the market,
Bioware's central focus was never really about PvP, don't know why folks would need to fucking cry about it.
your fairly narrow minded. for most typical mmo's there are two primary features, swtor is no exception, pve and oh, whats that yea you guessed it if your not "slow"doves, pvp. pvp sucks thats 50% of the game down the drain. if you buy a 5 dollar footlong and get a 6 inch yea ppl are gonna be pissed. your name says it all...slow.
If you want to Pvp, you don't play a fucking MMORPG.
If you want a single player RPG, you don't play a fucking MMORPG, oh wait, SWTOR, right.
Now, let's be serious here, if we were talking exclusively about esports mmorpg PVP, i would agree with you.
But PVP in MMORPGs is so much more than just COD PVP, (sieges, politics, teritorial control, resources)..
Obviously you would know that if you ever played an MMO with good PVP, so it's not your fault, i forgive you
Bioware hyped the PVP of this game, and it sucks, it's ok, you don't have to defend it just because it's " your game".
I know the Pvp sucks, but thats not why I am playing it!
The PvP in SWTOR was talked about even before released. Many have expressed their likes and dislikes. it's not ground breaking but enough information was given out to to allow people to make an informed decision before purchasing.
"PvP – We have an entire team dedicated to adding content and features to player vs. player. We have some of the most experienced PvP developers in the world on this team. So far very few people have seen, or know much about the stunning Open World PVP on Ilum; when you get to the high levels prepare to be blown away! In addition to that high level PVP content, expect new Warzones and new PvP features on a regular basis."
-Daniel Erickson
Lol! See, you had expectations! I didn't and still don't.
How's the PvP working out for you? It's not is it!
This is the part where you decide if you want to stick around and see improvements or move on find a new game to play.
I had no expectations, i already knew PVP sucked thanks to beta leaks.
It's also Bioware with ex-WAR devs, of course PVP is gonna suck lol.
I bought this game to PVE, because i love Bioware storytelling rpgs, this game has that and it will be fun for a couple of months.
Why can't i say that the PVP sucks? it's true... i don't care what bioware said, what they hyped or not... im just talking about parts of the game.
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time." otacu
Of all the live feed footage of people playing SWTOR, I never once felt like wanting to play the game. Admittingly, it was obvious up front that I disliked this game immensly, partly because of the prequel IP and ALL the goofy things in SWTOR that seem inappropriate for a Star Wars game. It also seems like a shallow and unfun game.
I find it delightful to read about people QQ'ing about the game, QQ'ing really being criticism with an attitude.
It is something of a mystery to me why SWTOR got such favourable reviews from various game websites.
Edit: Oh, one of the most hideous things in the world SWTOR, is the giant sized chair that nobody could even use. It looks like the chair was scaled up 200%. I did notice that the steps on the stairs at least somewhere had normal scale to it.
Edit2: One of the most damning observations I have seen so far, is the ridicule of SWTOR's huttball game, which looks odd given the "epic" space opera concept that is Star Wars, the fight between "good" and "evil", or the republic vs the sith I guess.
SWTOR is going to do exactly what WoW did, sadly. They will offer arena play soon. Mark my words. We will never see SWTOR come up with its own ideas about PvP. Open world PvP ain't happening. Its BGs, Wintergrasp and soon it will be arenas.
Originally posted by Enosh Originally posted by Golelorn SWTOR is going to do exactly what WoW did, sadly. They will offer arena play soon. Mark my words. We will never see SWTOR come up with its own ideas about PvP. Open world PvP ain't happening. Its BGs, Wintergrasp and soon it will be arenas.
god I hope so, arena would be awesome open world pvp can die in a fire
Yea gotta love that arena in MMO's to truly make them massive.
The PvP does have its issues. They are actually addressing some of them in patch 1.1 which is much faster than games like WAR ever did. Ultimately I think an end game PvP with 2 sides centered around gear progression is doomed to fail regardless of what the devs do. But the warzones will be fine for a diversion from questing once 1.1 goes live and kicks level 50s into their own bracket. Plus later patches promise to add another same-side warzone so Empire isn't always playing Huttball.
Yea gotta love that arena in MMO's to truly make them massive.
Wait, what?
I really don't care
open world pvp is either some stupid zerging or getting ganked, it sucks and I would be perfectly happy if devs ignore it, shit like Ilum in swtor just took away resources from other stuff that would be actualy fun and will now contunie to drain resources to fix and improve it
the main issue with balance right now are level vs the rest!sadly their pvp end game gear and all give them an unfair advantage !bio need to put 50 s in a bracket and 1 to 49 in aother
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See what NaughtyP did?
Ilum is nothing at all like AV and never will be...
Right now Ilum is broken as it is meant to be objective-based PvP but there is no reason at all to fight out there, just trade objectives. Once that changes, it could be quite fun.
The PVP in SWTOR is bad, it really is, I'm only valor rank 45 but still its starting to get a little bit tedious now. I haven't been dueling anyone since, I dunno, lvl 7 because there's no "real" place to duel at and practice outside warzones. And Illum, wow that's a joke, lets not go there.
HaHa... Imagine that... PvP is bad in a theme park.....
"Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome."
If you want a single player RPG, you don't play a fucking MMORPG, oh wait, SWTOR, right.
Now, let's be serious here, if we were talking exclusively about esports mmorpg PVP, i would agree with you.
But PVP in MMORPGs is so much more than just COD PVP, (sieges, politics, teritorial control, resources)..
Obviously you would know that if you ever played an MMO with good PVP, so it's not your fault, i forgive you
Bioware hyped the PVP of this game, and it sucks, it's ok, you don't have to defend it just because it's " your game".
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."
otacu
lol, oh young one...
If you do a bit of research you will find that PvP is a core competitive element that has been around since the birth of the MMO genre even when it started back in the days of MUDS. Just because WOW and it's clones like SWOTR don't have decent PvP doesn't mean PvP doesn't fit in MMOs. It means the developers are doign a poor job of building their games and just tacking on some PvP and promoting it like some major innovative part of the game.
I don't think people should be content that the PvP is bad. In fact in a game called Star Wars I expect interfaction PvP to be one of the key features under this particular franchise. Think about it. What was the reason you started playing? Why is it that you need to pick a side?
Most answers probably consist of wanting to be immersed in the star wars universe but in this universe you are inevitably going to "Use the force and kick someone's ass." or force the ass to kick itself if you're Lightside. The smuggler has an enemy and that's them pesky bounty hunters. Reps vs Imps and of course Dark vs Light.
My point is that one of the keys to their awesomeness lie in the conflict that is shown in the lore. If this conflict is poorly implemented (from what I have read about Ilum), Combat doesn't 'feel' right (Ability lag) or if it is unbalanced (Instaskills vs elaborate animations and that max lvl scaling stuff)
If the combat for a world that is mostly about conflict is poor then something went very wrong somewhere along the line.
I also know that they never said the combat was going to be awesome but it's something you half expect from such big names behind it.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
I know the Pvp sucks, but thats not why I am playing it!
The PvP in SWTOR was talked about even before released. Many have expressed their likes and dislikes. it's not ground breaking but enough information was given out to to allow people to make an informed decision before purchasing.
I am not displeased with swtor's pvp.
I have pvp'd in many mmo's. Its hard to find pvp I dont like except where exploiters can have free-reign. SWTOR's pvp is standard fare for a themepark. I have fun doing it, especially warzones.
I could also turn around and have fun in Fallen Earth or Mortal Online's pvp too.
I think those that expect SWTOR to be different in pvp are delusional.
A LONG TIME AGO people started saying what swtor was about and yet people who load it up now are pissed about what they see. I dont get it. I for one was very hesitant to buy it myself. But decided to after I read alot about it. Its not boring like Rift and after level 30 its not as facerollish as wow. The developers actually put some thought into the leveling process.
I dont see anyone bunny-hopping, lag-jumping, or using foliage hacks to exploit so its got that going for it.
Huttball rules though.
Im not even a star-wars fan and know almost zero lore.
Nothing went wrong, this is what Bioware, Lucas Arts and EA wanted.
Make a farily generic MMO, play it safe, cut corners everywhere (no day & cycles, free engine, rainbow humans with the same body, remove armor color-matching because there aren't enough armor models, etc etc).
They know that most people would buy a 10000$ turd if it had the STAR WARS name on it. (not saying that SWTOR is a turd, im enjoying it a lot), so.... WHY BOTHER?
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."
otacu
"PvP – We have an entire team dedicated to adding content and features to player vs. player. We have some of the most experienced PvP developers in the world on this team. So far very few people have seen, or know much about the stunning Open World PVP on Ilum; when you get to the high levels prepare to be blown away! In addition to that high level PVP content, expect new Warzones and new PvP features on a regular basis."
-Daniel Erickson
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."
otacu
I think the case he was trying to make is SWTOR is the fastest selling MMO-RPG to date.. Most games have stuck MMO on their categories but not every game is an MMORPG
COD-MW3 is a MMO-FPS not an RPG. You seriously cannot compare COD to any RPG game on the market,
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Lol! See, you had expectations! I didn't and still don't.
How's the PvP working out for you? It's not is it!
This is the part where you decide if you want to stick around and see improvements or move on find a new game to play.
A game been online makes it a MMO now does it?
SKYeXile
TRF - GM - GW2, PS2, WAR, AION, Rift, WoW, WOT....etc...
Future Crew - High Council. Planetside 1 & 2.
I had no expectations, i already knew PVP sucked thanks to beta leaks.
It's also Bioware with ex-WAR devs, of course PVP is gonna suck lol.
I bought this game to PVE, because i love Bioware storytelling rpgs, this game has that and it will be fun for a couple of months.
Why can't i say that the PVP sucks? it's true... i don't care what bioware said, what they hyped or not... im just talking about parts of the game.
"Esport with tournaments is for hardcore pvp'rs that want to be competitive. Openworld PVP with ganking and griefing is for casuals that just wants their pvp mixed with pve from time to time."
otacu
Of all the live feed footage of people playing SWTOR, I never once felt like wanting to play the game. Admittingly, it was obvious up front that I disliked this game immensly, partly because of the prequel IP and ALL the goofy things in SWTOR that seem inappropriate for a Star Wars game. It also seems like a shallow and unfun game.
I find it delightful to read about people QQ'ing about the game, QQ'ing really being criticism with an attitude.
It is something of a mystery to me why SWTOR got such favourable reviews from various game websites.
Edit: Oh, one of the most hideous things in the world SWTOR, is the giant sized chair that nobody could even use. It looks like the chair was scaled up 200%. I did notice that the steps on the stairs at least somewhere had normal scale to it.
Edit2: One of the most damning observations I have seen so far, is the ridicule of SWTOR's huttball game, which looks odd given the "epic" space opera concept that is Star Wars, the fight between "good" and "evil", or the republic vs the sith I guess.
god I hope so, arena would be awesome
open world pvp can die in a fire
open world pvp can die in a fire
Yea gotta love that arena in MMO's to truly make them massive.
Wait, what?
SKYeXile
TRF - GM - GW2, PS2, WAR, AION, Rift, WoW, WOT....etc...
Future Crew - High Council. Planetside 1 & 2.
The PvP does have its issues. They are actually addressing some of them in patch 1.1 which is much faster than games like WAR ever did. Ultimately I think an end game PvP with 2 sides centered around gear progression is doomed to fail regardless of what the devs do. But the warzones will be fine for a diversion from questing once 1.1 goes live and kicks level 50s into their own bracket. Plus later patches promise to add another same-side warzone so Empire isn't always playing Huttball.
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There are like 300 posts in that thread. 300 out of +1M...?
Means nothing.
I really don't care
open world pvp is either some stupid zerging or getting ganked, it sucks and I would be perfectly happy if devs ignore it, shit like Ilum in swtor just took away resources from other stuff that would be actualy fun and will now contunie to drain resources to fix and improve it
Pfft.
Show a game where there is NOT a thread like that.
Besides a little PvP in Neverwinter nights I think this is Biowares first PvP ever.
Did anyone expect them or anyone else for that matter just getting it right from the start?
I am sure they eventually will improve it a lot, but it will take time.
the main issue with balance right now are level vs the rest!sadly their pvp end game gear and all give them an unfair advantage !bio need to put 50 s in a bracket and 1 to 49 in aother
just sell your account i bet it will be very easy to sell!(surprised?dont be come on lot of people love this game.