Confession: I like swtor's carrot on the stick (if that disqualifies me from liking this game too then so be it)
But without pvp gear, what keeps me pvping in guild wars 2? I am trying to find information but all I see is people saying "Its fun, thats why you should play it!"
I play mmo's to progress a character, I play sc2 or fps' for competitive fun. (cause its a rpg)
Will this game provide the same types of ladders and stat tracking that a fps or a sc2 provides to keep me playing? This is something dearly lacking from swtor and if this game *plans* on having it at release I will be very interested.
Will I be able to get anything but "fun" out of pvp?
(note: I am not asking for pvp gear to own casuals, but I need something to aim for when pvp'ing!)
From the looks of it, PvP isn't the main focus of GW2. If your main focus is PvP, then I suspect you will be quite disappointed.
There is no main focus thats the point they are trying to get across.
The more focus a game have at gear the less player skill are needed for PvP.
In most game you can grind up the PvP gear and then kill better players than you are since they have worse gear. It gets boring pretty fast to me, what makes me keep playing is fun, not gear rewards. What keeps people playing games like GW2 is stuff like titles, ranks and the feeling of winning because you deserved to win.
The FPS likeness OP had is not totally off. Fact is that very few people play PvE in FPS even if it was common before. PvP is just more fun. In MMOs on the other hand people prefer PvE and I think it is because MMOs generally do PvE a lot better than PvP. Gear is a big part of that.
I like how OP is a self-proclaimed hardcore and expert at MMOs and thinks the 5v5 arena in GW2 will be for "casuals". I bet if he ever played PvP in GW he would get his ass handed to him.
Skill > PVP Gear in my eyes atleast. I find it more satisfying to out skill someone than to out gear someone in pvp , and then give them the whole " lulz u lasted longer than most" talk.
Here's a crazy thought for the OP... how about actually winning PvP absed on your skills as opposed to the gear you're wearing?
Novel idea, eh?
you must be a casual who blames gear imbalance for why you lose.
Also, you cant read. I never said I wanted pvp gear 100%,
If you had a point, ad hominem isn't the way to explain it.
The stronger the gear imbalances, the less it matters what players actually do with that gear. Winning can't be based 90% on gear and also 90% on skill.
As the devs already said before: in PVP is a combat where 5 players fight against other 5 players, which means if a team has people with better gear than the other than the winner is already known, unless there's luck involved of course.
So, either you have balance between players with everyone having fun and showing their skill as a player, or you'll get gear influencing your stats and only the players with more time and gold will be playing it because all the other players will only "get in their way by feeding the other team".
Besides, combat skill can be improved without limits and everyone can do it, while the gear stats will always make some players better than others even if they're not so skilled.
Does PvP gear matter? You can personalize them to what you see fit. You can change the appearance using either the extensive paint/ coloring/ whatever system to (I just remembered it was a dye system, but am to lazy to go back) change the looks or use transmutation stones (I believe they are called) to transfer the stats of one pair of armour to another if you like the look of the older one. That is in WvWvW anyway.
Competetive PvP you can just buy different armour (all with same stats and depend on proffesion of course) but, it all depends on trait placement, as it does in Pve or WvWvW.
You'll get plenty of rewards for being excellent in PVP.
None of them will help you kill others more easily once you have them.
You decide if it's worth playing now. I'll be there. See you on the feild if you are too.
There are global and individual rewards available in World vs World combat.
World benefits
Territories and control points within the map will confer benefits to the world that controls them, such as faster energy/health regeneration, increased drop rate or increased experience gain for a time.
Individual rewards
Players can gain experience and level their character, including rangers charming pets,[9] entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot which means a player doesn't need to leave World PvP to get better gear.
Taken from the wiki^^
So, you DO get your armor, though it wont be statisticlly better, it may have unique looks that shows you got it from PVPing. so its an epeen i spose.
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
Im thinking since there was no pvp gear in GW1 people are assuming there wont be any in GW2?
In anycase i dont see it happening and hope it doesnt...GW imo is probably the most balanced pvp out there and i think alot of that has 2 do with the fact that there isnt any pvp gear,Besides i prefer a 1 size fits all type of deal with my armor anyway.
You'll get plenty of rewards for being excellent in PVP.
None of them will help you kill others more easily once you have them.
You decide if it's worth playing now. I'll be there. See you on the feild if you are too.
There are global and individual rewards available in World vs World combat.
World benefits
Territories and control points within the map will confer benefits to the world that controls them, such as faster energy/health regeneration, increased drop rate or increased experience gain for a time.
Individual rewards
Players can gain experience and level their character, including rangers charming pets,[9] entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot which means a player doesn't need to leave World PvP to get better gear.
Taken from the wiki^^
So, you DO get your armor, though it wont be statisticlly better, it may have unique looks that shows you got it from PVPing. so its an epeen i spose.
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
Man someone has been eating a lot of captain bullshit this morning.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
You'll get plenty of rewards for being excellent in PVP.
None of them will help you kill others more easily once you have them.
You decide if it's worth playing now. I'll be there. See you on the feild if you are too.
There are global and individual rewards available in World vs World combat.
World benefits
Territories and control points within the map will confer benefits to the world that controls them, such as faster energy/health regeneration, increased drop rate or increased experience gain for a time.
Individual rewards
Players can gain experience and level their character, including rangers charming pets,[9] entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot which means a player doesn't need to leave World PvP to get better gear.
Taken from the wiki^^
So, you DO get your armor, though it wont be statisticlly better, it may have unique looks that shows you got it from PVPing. so its an epeen i spose.
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
Sorry if the rewards don't fit your liking, but most of that post i made is Quoted from the wiki and NOT my own words. I wont tell the op "no there are no rewards" as you say because then i'd be lying, there ARE rewards. And in my opinion, very decent ones. I dont want PVP gear that equals to me being 10 levels over my competitors. I'd like titles that don't boost stats, awesome looking PVP gear that DOESNT have ANY enhanced stats, etc. There will be things to work towards getting, don't you worry oh carrot-on-a-stick lover. There just won't be god-mode stuff.
You'll get plenty of rewards for being excellent in PVP.
None of them will help you kill others more easily once you have them.
You decide if it's worth playing now. I'll be there. See you on the feild if you are too.
There are global and individual rewards available in World vs World combat.
World benefits
Territories and control points within the map will confer benefits to the world that controls them, such as faster energy/health regeneration, increased drop rate or increased experience gain for a time.
Individual rewards
Players can gain experience and level their character, including rangers charming pets,[9] entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot which means a player doesn't need to leave World PvP to get better gear.
Taken from the wiki^^
So, you DO get your armor, though it wont be statisticlly better, it may have unique looks that shows you got it from PVPing. so its an epeen i spose.
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
Now the world dont move to the beat of just one drum. What may be right for you may not be right for some.
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
Yeah, PvP ranking is for wussies???
Sorry but giving people actaul advantages while you fight sounds care bearish to me, the best player should always win a PvP game and if you hand out gear that makes you better you destroy that and turn the gae into another grind.
You'll get plenty of rewards for being excellent in PVP.
None of them will help you kill others more easily once you have them.
You decide if it's worth playing now. I'll be there. See you on the feild if you are too.
There are global and individual rewards available in World vs World combat.
World benefits
Territories and control points within the map will confer benefits to the world that controls them, such as faster energy/health regeneration, increased drop rate or increased experience gain for a time.
Individual rewards
Players can gain experience and level their character, including rangers charming pets,[9] entirely in World PvP. Killing people in World vs World gives the player loot which means a player doesn't need to leave World PvP to get better gear.
Taken from the wiki^^
So, you DO get your armor, though it wont be statisticlly better, it may have unique looks that shows you got it from PVPing. so its an epeen i spose.
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
You, sir, are thinking that the "serious players" communitty thinks the same as you do. Guess again, because you might find it surprisingly wrong when you see all those "serious players" buying items in most games and spending real money or even doing raids for days looking for that gear only because it looks cool. Even WOW proved it!
Personally, I'd like to see PvP decided by skill instead of gear. It's one of the cool things about Wrath of Heroes. Everyone has a relatively even chance to win, or at least kill the other players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you has said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
At this point, all I can say is wait. To be honest only ArenaNet knows all of the progressions we will get with pvp at launch.
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
edit: spelling and stuff
I think it needs to be pointed out that there WILL be stats on gear. However in GW2 the stat increase per upgrade will be ALOT smaller than people are used to in MMO's. Gear will give a SLIGHT advantage but the majority of kills/deaths will still be based off skill.
As to why play GW2 when DOTA2 is comming out? That can be said about ANY MMO. Why play an MMO for competative PvP if you are ONLY looking for PvP. MOBAs are designed strictly around PvP only. So really singling out GW2 on this is verry silly.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
No, it's because I enjoy PVP where the outcome of fights are decided largely by player skill, and not by gear or level.
Also, gear grinds encourage developers to be lazy, and to simply make PVP that revolves around meaningless little minigames attached to a gear grind - instead of making dynamic world PVP with actual meaning and objectives.
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
edit: spelling and stuff
I think it needs to be pointed out that there WILL be stats on gear. However in GW2 the stat increase per upgrade will be ALOT smaller than people are used to in MMO's. Gear will give a SLIGHT advantage but the majority of kills/deaths will still be based off skill.
As to why play GW2 when DOTA2 is comming out? That can be said about ANY MMO. Why play an MMO for competative PvP if you are ONLY looking for PvP. MOBAs are designed strictly around PvP only. So really singling out GW2 on this is verry silly.
because I like character progression, thats why I play mmo's. to role play my badass war hero or whatever. I also play dota 2 (in beta!) for more competition since I get none out of swtor until 8 man premades and rankings.
and having even marginal gains is still a lot of progression to me. Guess what battlemaster gear(highest tier) has over champion gear(starting tier, centerion really doenst count) in swtor, about 5 stat bonus points per stat for hundreds of more hours put into it to get it. People still complain that the disparity is to high to overcome when they face me though!
what i mean is battlemaster gear has about 100 endurance, 100 str, 50 expertise, 50 surge whatever, champion has 95, 95, 45, 45. makes very little real difference with diminishing returns as well on stats (Which yes do exist. 400 expertise is about 10%, 700 is 12% bonus.
gear with stats means I will enjoy this game too, and hopefully they allow arena with my own character.
2% makes a big difference to me, but it obviously bothers a lot of people from the looks of it.
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
edit: spelling and stuff
I think it needs to be pointed out that there WILL be stats on gear. However in GW2 the stat increase per upgrade will be ALOT smaller than people are used to in MMO's. Gear will give a SLIGHT advantage but the majority of kills/deaths will still be based off skill.
As to why play GW2 when DOTA2 is comming out? That can be said about ANY MMO. Why play an MMO for competative PvP if you are ONLY looking for PvP. MOBAs are designed strictly around PvP only. So really singling out GW2 on this is verry silly.
because I like character progression, thats why I play mmo's. to role play my badass war hero or whatever. I also play dota 2 (in beta!) for more competition since I get none out of swtor until 8 man premades and rankings.
and having even marginal gains is still a lot of progression to me. Guess what battlemaster gear(highest tier) has over champion gear(starting tier, centerion really doenst count) in swtor, about 5 stat bonus points per stat for hundreds of more hours put into it to get it. People still complain that the disparity is to high to overcome when they face me though!
what i mean is battlemaster gear has about 100 endurance, 100 str, 50 expertise, 50 surge whatever, champion has 95, 95, 45, 45. makes very little real difference with diminishing returns as well on stats (Which yes do exist. 400 expertise is about 10%, 700 is 12% bonus.
gear with stats means I will enjoy this game too, and hopefully they allow arena with my own character.
2% makes a big difference to me, but it obviously bothers a lot of people from the looks of it.
You play Imp?
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
But honestly this game isn't for this guy he likes the carrot.
I mean sure in WvWvW there is gear difference and what not but no carrut O.O
I mean hell PVP was is based on skill I'd think if I get a cosmectic award I'd look intimidating and then just keep working on my "skills" I.E dodging and ish lol.
So yurp O.O
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
edit: spelling and stuff
I think it needs to be pointed out that there WILL be stats on gear. However in GW2 the stat increase per upgrade will be ALOT smaller than people are used to in MMO's. Gear will give a SLIGHT advantage but the majority of kills/deaths will still be based off skill.
As to why play GW2 when DOTA2 is comming out? That can be said about ANY MMO. Why play an MMO for competative PvP if you are ONLY looking for PvP. MOBAs are designed strictly around PvP only. So really singling out GW2 on this is verry silly.
This is incorrect.
There will be gear that has maximum base-statistical value which can be acquired relatively easy at level 80, and there will be upgrades to that gear based on what build you're running and what traits you're using.
Guild Wars 2's structured PvP is isolated from the rest of the game. Skills are changed to function differently in PvP and all players are put on COMPLETELY equal footing. However, the argument claiming that there's no reason to get GW2 over a MOBA is ridiculous. Can I be a Charr Guardian at the Battle of Kylo that has destructible environments and all the cool skills that Guild Wars 2 has in any MOBA/ARTS you know of?
Also, there is not "gear progression". Leveling up through the normal PvE content is not progressing gear. That's progressing levels, and getting gear that's appropriate for your level. Gear progression is grinding for the express purpose of gaining statistical increases on gear through traditional higher level dungeons/raids, or PvP. Guild Wars 2 will not have gear progression in that sense. It will still have increases of stats of gear throughout the leveling experience.
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There is no main focus thats the point they are trying to get across.
^ what he said. what I said. nuff said.
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I like how OP is a self-proclaimed hardcore and expert at MMOs and thinks the 5v5 arena in GW2 will be for "casuals". I bet if he ever played PvP in GW he would get his ass handed to him.
Skill > PVP Gear in my eyes atleast. I find it more satisfying to out skill someone than to out gear someone in pvp , and then give them the whole " lulz u lasted longer than most" talk.
If you had a point, ad hominem isn't the way to explain it.
The stronger the gear imbalances, the less it matters what players actually do with that gear. Winning can't be based 90% on gear and also 90% on skill.
As the devs already said before: in PVP is a combat where 5 players fight against other 5 players, which means if a team has people with better gear than the other than the winner is already known, unless there's luck involved of course.
So, either you have balance between players with everyone having fun and showing their skill as a player, or you'll get gear influencing your stats and only the players with more time and gold will be playing it because all the other players will only "get in their way by feeding the other team".
Besides, combat skill can be improved without limits and everyone can do it, while the gear stats will always make some players better than others even if they're not so skilled.
Does PvP gear matter? You can personalize them to what you see fit. You can change the appearance using either the extensive paint/ coloring/ whatever system to (I just remembered it was a dye system, but am to lazy to go back) change the looks or use transmutation stones (I believe they are called) to transfer the stats of one pair of armour to another if you like the look of the older one. That is in WvWvW anyway.
Competetive PvP you can just buy different armour (all with same stats and depend on proffesion of course) but, it all depends on trait placement, as it does in Pve or WvWvW.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation
You say u get plenty of rewards for being excellent in pvp.
The rewards u describe though seem crap to me.
World benefits u describe are completely unintresting.
Individual rewards u describe are of none importance also since u say they have only cosmetic purpose.
So when u quote the OP's question your answer should be : No there are no rewards cause i dont think any serious player considers rewards the ones u describe.
Im thinking since there was no pvp gear in GW1 people are assuming there wont be any in GW2?
In anycase i dont see it happening and hope it doesnt...GW imo is probably the most balanced pvp out there and i think alot of that has 2 do with the fact that there isnt any pvp gear,Besides i prefer a 1 size fits all type of deal with my armor anyway.
Because skill becomes more of a factor?
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Sounds good to me, however I did enjoy most of the armor sets looks and I enjoyed having a reason to PvP other then just to PvP.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Sorry if the rewards don't fit your liking, but most of that post i made is Quoted from the wiki and NOT my own words. I wont tell the op "no there are no rewards" as you say because then i'd be lying, there ARE rewards. And in my opinion, very decent ones. I dont want PVP gear that equals to me being 10 levels over my competitors. I'd like titles that don't boost stats, awesome looking PVP gear that DOESNT have ANY enhanced stats, etc. There will be things to work towards getting, don't you worry oh carrot-on-a-stick lover. There just won't be god-mode stuff.
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Yeah, PvP ranking is for wussies???
Sorry but giving people actaul advantages while you fight sounds care bearish to me, the best player should always win a PvP game and if you hand out gear that makes you better you destroy that and turn the gae into another grind.
You, sir, are thinking that the "serious players" communitty thinks the same as you do. Guess again, because you might find it surprisingly wrong when you see all those "serious players" buying items in most games and spending real money or even doing raids for days looking for that gear only because it looks cool. Even WOW proved it!
Personally, I'd like to see PvP decided by skill instead of gear. It's one of the cool things about Wrath of Heroes. Everyone has a relatively even chance to win, or at least kill the other players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Again, I do not need gear to be good at a game.
But I do enjoy the gear race, which I usaully win.
SWTOR is not competitive. if it was I wouldnt even be looking at other mmo's. The gear grind is a bit hard (although now nerfed to pieces) and I enjoyed that but they still have no rankings or arenas.
GW2 is looking to be competitive without a main staple of mmo's in the past, which is wierd.
when a MMO is giving me a different character to play in 5v5 objective game play, it is no longer a competitve mmo. it is now literally a moba.
Maybe my thread should read: Why play gw2 when dota 2 is coming out with more prize money tournaments?
This is only for pvp, which I will play exclusively. PVE is boring to me and after public quests in WAR I see the pve in gw2 to be the same kind of idea with a bit more flair. (ooo the town isnt usable anymore? good thing they sell level 5 gear.)
I just dont see how this is now considered a mmo on the pvp side with no pvp gear progression, and only titles and stuff..
even LoL has levels with new skills and runes you have to grind...
this is in response to multiple posts, thats why it probably reads choppy.
And again, it has been said that you get gear in WvWvW. So there will be gear progression? I dont see why they would give gear in pvp if it didnt have stats after saying something along the lines of "you will get gear you NEED entirely through pvp as well".
Oh and all of you are whining about pvp gear, whether you think you are or not. Just as I am probably whining about lack of pvp gear, even though I assume I am not.
also, the original title is: why is no pvp gear good? I believe the answer that most of you have said is because you lack the time or desire to "grind" it. is this wrong?
edit: spelling and stuff
At this point, all I can say is wait. To be honest only ArenaNet knows all of the progressions we will get with pvp at launch.
I think it needs to be pointed out that there WILL be stats on gear. However in GW2 the stat increase per upgrade will be ALOT smaller than people are used to in MMO's. Gear will give a SLIGHT advantage but the majority of kills/deaths will still be based off skill.
As to why play GW2 when DOTA2 is comming out? That can be said about ANY MMO. Why play an MMO for competative PvP if you are ONLY looking for PvP. MOBAs are designed strictly around PvP only. So really singling out GW2 on this is verry silly.
No, it's because I enjoy PVP where the outcome of fights are decided largely by player skill, and not by gear or level.
Also, gear grinds encourage developers to be lazy, and to simply make PVP that revolves around meaningless little minigames attached to a gear grind - instead of making dynamic world PVP with actual meaning and objectives.
because I like character progression, thats why I play mmo's. to role play my badass war hero or whatever. I also play dota 2 (in beta!) for more competition since I get none out of swtor until 8 man premades and rankings.
and having even marginal gains is still a lot of progression to me. Guess what battlemaster gear(highest tier) has over champion gear(starting tier, centerion really doenst count) in swtor, about 5 stat bonus points per stat for hundreds of more hours put into it to get it. People still complain that the disparity is to high to overcome when they face me though!
what i mean is battlemaster gear has about 100 endurance, 100 str, 50 expertise, 50 surge whatever, champion has 95, 95, 45, 45. makes very little real difference with diminishing returns as well on stats (Which yes do exist. 400 expertise is about 10%, 700 is 12% bonus.
gear with stats means I will enjoy this game too, and hopefully they allow arena with my own character.
2% makes a big difference to me, but it obviously bothers a lot of people from the looks of it.
You play Imp?
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
But honestly this game isn't for this guy he likes the carrot.
I mean sure in WvWvW there is gear difference and what not but no carrut O.O
I mean hell PVP was is based on skill I'd think if I get a cosmectic award I'd look intimidating and then just keep working on my "skills" I.E dodging and ish lol.
So yurp O.O
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
This is incorrect.
There will be gear that has maximum base-statistical value which can be acquired relatively easy at level 80, and there will be upgrades to that gear based on what build you're running and what traits you're using.
Guild Wars 2's structured PvP is isolated from the rest of the game. Skills are changed to function differently in PvP and all players are put on COMPLETELY equal footing. However, the argument claiming that there's no reason to get GW2 over a MOBA is ridiculous. Can I be a Charr Guardian at the Battle of Kylo that has destructible environments and all the cool skills that Guild Wars 2 has in any MOBA/ARTS you know of?
Also, there is not "gear progression". Leveling up through the normal PvE content is not progressing gear. That's progressing levels, and getting gear that's appropriate for your level. Gear progression is grinding for the express purpose of gaining statistical increases on gear through traditional higher level dungeons/raids, or PvP. Guild Wars 2 will not have gear progression in that sense. It will still have increases of stats of gear throughout the leveling experience.