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  • LeetheLeethe Member UncommonPosts: 893

    Sorry. "Fell flat on it's face" to me means: Hellgate London (first round), Chronicles of Spellborn, Stargate Worlds, Tabula rasa (R.I.P.).

    ToR? Not so much.

    There is NO miracle patch.

    95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.

    Hope is not a stategy.
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  • PelaajaPelaaja Member Posts: 697

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by Tortanic

    You can control what cores/modules get used for what, via affinity, bios or boot.ini.



    So...yes, you can turn them off, on, whatever - though with for example AMD's fancy module nonsense - only certain motherboards will allow you to turn one core per module off. (Module - Two cores sharing certain resources, some motherboards allow you to enable only one core per module so single thread performance for that core is 20-30% better.)

     Nope, affinity sets what processor is preferred not what processor is used. You cannot turn cores in windows off using bios or boot.ini.  Even if you could the game wouldn't start at all.

    How thick you want to be?

    Check the post I made, there's 2 ways to disable usage of cores on multicoreprocessors.

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  • PelaajaPelaaja Member Posts: 697

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by Pelaaja


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by Tortanic

    You can control what cores/modules get used for what, via affinity, bios or boot.ini.



    So...yes, you can turn them off, on, whatever - though with for example AMD's fancy module nonsense - only certain motherboards will allow you to turn one core per module off. (Module - Two cores sharing certain resources, some motherboards allow you to enable only one core per module so single thread performance for that core is 20-30% better.)

     Nope, affinity sets what processor is preferred not what processor is used. You cannot turn cores in windows off using bios or boot.ini.  Even if you could the game wouldn't start at all.

    How thick you want to be?

    Check the post I made, there's 2 ways to disable usage of cores on multicoreprocessors.

     Logical cores not Physical ones.

    No, and read the posts please.

    EDIT: Because you're not going to read the links anyway, here's commandline for you:

    bcdedit /set onecpu on (Vista and later)

    reboot

    Your os uses only one PHYSICAL core.

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  • SanHorSanHor Member UncommonPosts: 336

    Originally posted by Mackeh

    Or maybe it shows how many are easily bought ;)

    Not bought in that sense but as you know every web site, magazine, radio station or TV station sells advertising space to their clients. So, when a certain MMO developer is their client than all you'll see are positive reviews of their games becuase losing clients is bad for business. ;)

  • hikaru77hikaru77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,123

    Originally posted by Mackeh

    Even the most die hard fan boy has to admit SWTOR has fell flat on it's face, but if you are still living in denial then a simple look at the server population on the official site will back me up.  Any mmo that sells 2 million copies at launch and then has empty servers 6 weeks later is an utter failure.

    Anyway am not here to point out the obvious, I am here to draw your attention to this http://www.swtor.com/awards  it's a huge list of awards saying how amazing SWTOR is as an MMO.  It just goes to show how many so called "Professional" gaming sites are utterly out of touch with gaming. 

    Or maybe it shows how many are easily bought ;)

     

     

    Empty servers?, yes sure, the test server maybe. In primetime all the servers are standard, heavy or full, and the population is growing everyday, some people quit but then you will find new players so there is nothing like a mass exodus or population drop in the game.  My dear friend, swtor is an huge success already and it will be even bigger in the incoming months, live with it.  

  • TalinTalin Member UncommonPosts: 923

    Originally posted by Gibbonici

    It's been posted many times before but it's no less true for it - Everything is awesome and nobody is happy.

     

    I'm old enough to remember when games about massive alien invasions in a future Earth were represented by a letter O at the top of the screen that flickered around a bit while you controlled a percentage sign that sometimes shot an exclamation mark when you pressed a button. And that was awesome.

     

    Now we have realistic looking worlds that we can play with people in countries that might as well have been other planets 30 years ago. And it SUCKS.

     

    I'm not saying TOR is perfect, or that MMOs in general are some pinnacle of gaming that need to be worshipped, but  reading many of the posts on gaming forums and hearing some of the rage and hate that's directed at relatively trivial issues that will get fixed, or worse still, at games that said poster has no interest in playing at all, I marvel at how spoilt and puny we've become.

     

    All these self-styled internet tough guys are infeasibly soft. God only knows what they'd be like if they ever got any actual hardship in their lives.

     

    Man, I've wanted to say that for ages. Warn away mods, it'll be worth it just to have got that baby off my chest.

    Do you feel better? :)

    I don't think your comments are inflammatory and overall I agree with them. There is a huge sense of entitlement out there, and while a certain degree is understandable as we are paying customers for these services, it just doesn't make sense to me.

    Imagine a world where people test drive a car, buy a car, and then rip apart the dealership that it is missing a feature (let's say heated seats). Can you drive a car without heated seats? Of course! Does the fact that other cars have heated seats mean the model you bought has to have them? Absolutely not. You test drove the car; it is what it is.

    We benefit from MMOs being in a state of ongoing development, so we can help to guide the priorities of the dev teams as a community. That should not be taken for granted.

  • PelaajaPelaaja Member Posts: 697

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by Pelaaja


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by Pelaaja


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by Tortanic

    You can control what cores/modules get used for what, via affinity, bios or boot.ini.



    So...yes, you can turn them off, on, whatever - though with for example AMD's fancy module nonsense - only certain motherboards will allow you to turn one core per module off. (Module - Two cores sharing certain resources, some motherboards allow you to enable only one core per module so single thread performance for that core is 20-30% better.)

     Nope, affinity sets what processor is preferred not what processor is used. You cannot turn cores in windows off using bios or boot.ini.  Even if you could the game wouldn't start at all.

    How thick you want to be?

    Check the post I made, there's 2 ways to disable usage of cores on multicoreprocessors.

     Logical cores not Physical ones.

    No, and read the posts please.

    EDIT: Because you're not going to read the links anyway, here's commandline for you:

    bcdedit /set onecpu on (Vista and later)

    reboot

    Your os uses only one PHYSICAL core.

     Does not work. Boot configuration data store could not be accessed. Even if it did work it wouldn't work with swtor and it sure as hell won't work with any 64 bit os.



    Uhm, are we getting to OS basics here?

    1. Run cmd.exe as an administrator

    2. paste: bcdedit /set onecpu on press enter

    3. You get message The operation completed successfully.

    4. type: bcdedit and find a line saying: onecpu                  Yes

    5. Reboot and check System Manager -> Performance. You have only one core running. If you have 2, disable hyperthreading from BIOS.

    6. ???

    7. Profit

    EDIT: But since there's no reason to put cores off when playing, this is a thing I'm going to try once I get back home. I'll report back if it changes performance in any way (better or worse).

    EDIT2: There's actually a hotfix from Microsoft to do this

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  • VolgoreVolgore Member EpicPosts: 3,872

    Originally posted by Pelaaja

    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by Pelaaja


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by Pelaaja


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by Tortanic

    You can control what cores/modules get used for what, via affinity, bios or boot.ini.



    So...yes, you can turn them off, on, whatever - though with for example AMD's fancy module nonsense - only certain motherboards will allow you to turn one core per module off. (Module - Two cores sharing certain resources, some motherboards allow you to enable only one core per module so single thread performance for that core is 20-30% better.)

     Nope, affinity sets what processor is preferred not what processor is used. You cannot turn cores in windows off using bios or boot.ini.  Even if you could the game wouldn't start at all.

    How thick you want to be?

    Check the post I made, there's 2 ways to disable usage of cores on multicoreprocessors.

     Logical cores not Physical ones.

    No, and read the posts please.

    EDIT: Because you're not going to read the links anyway, here's commandline for you:

    bcdedit /set onecpu on (Vista and later)

    reboot

    Your os uses only one PHYSICAL core.

     Does not work. Boot configuration data store could not be accessed. Even if it did work it wouldn't work with swtor and it sure as hell won't work with any 64 bit os.



    Uhm, are we getting to OS basics here?

    1. Run cmd.exe as an administrator

    2. paste: bcdedit /set onecpu on press enter

    3. You get message The operation completed successfully.

    4. type: bcdedit and find a line saying: onecpu                  Yes

    5. Reboot and check System Manager -> Performance. You have only one core running. If you have 2, disable hyperthreading from BIOS.

    6. ???

    7. Profit

    EDIT: But since there's no reason to put cores off when playing, this is a thing I'm going to try once I get back home. I'll report back if it changes performance in any way (better or worse).

    You are trying to reason with someone who is usually in total denial of anything else but his own opinion and uses to accuse people to do just that.

    Professional gaming sites are out of touch with gaming (esp. their reviews)  since they got too much in touch with money. Those editors write what they got paid for to write and what gets the food on the table. Most of us would probably do the same....but maybe not that obvious.

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  • VaultarVaultar Member Posts: 339

    Wow truly amazing. O_O

     

    We get 7 pages after the OP's famous "ok sorry".

     

    Truly mind-boggling stuff.

     

    WOW!

     

    I swear the "ok sorry" should be the new "arrow to the knee".

     

    Something like:

     

    I went to the club the other nite, got drunk and screwed in the head, knocked down a couple of loudspeakers from the stage,  punched a few guys in the face then fucked a girl in front of everyone...the security guards came up crashing down upon me... until I said "ok sorry."

     

     

    Looking forward to EQL and EQN.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by VoIgore

    You are trying to reason with someone who is usually in total denial of anything else but his own opinion and uses to accuse people to do just that.
    Professional gaming sites are out of touch with gaming (esp. their reviews)  since they got too much in touch with money. Those editors write what they got paid for to write and what gets the food on the table. Most of us would probably do the same....but maybe not that obvious.


    If the intent was to talk about how gaming sites are out of touch with games and gamers, the thread should be in a General gaming or mmorpg forum. If the intent was to say that SWToR couldn't possibly be as good as all the awards it received, then the OP should not have attempted to disguise the thread as talking about how gaming sites are out of touch with games and gamers.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • OziiusOziius Member UncommonPosts: 1,406

    You guys do see the conceit around here correct? It's astounding. The thought that just because YOU don't like something, there's no way anyone else could like it. Surely everyone must see how bad it is, I mean YOU see it, why can't they?

    I also adore the fact that the people who like what you don't are immediately labeled "fanboys". Or of they are not excited about something you're excited about they're "naysayers". This site proves what's wrong with the world..lol


    My advise to the original poster would be to ignore the rewards. It's obvious you don't like the game, so the awards mean nothing anyway.

  • SiderasSideras Member Posts: 231

    Originally posted by Marius6870

    I think its safe to say that most of you are just to hard to please. As games and technology have progressed, we expect things to be bigger and better then the last big thing, and there comes a point when they hit a wall, and can no longer satisfy the majority, and I think that day is here.

    Games and technology has progressed? Are we even living on the same planet? Technology is crap if anything, devs can't optimize PC games, consoles are holding the development back. There's barley any innovation or enjoyment from games anymore. They are just clones of previously successful games with a different setting.

    Bioware spent $200 million dollars on a shitty engine and voice overs, fuck priorities right? The FPS genre is crumbling because modern warfare clones, the MMO market is crumbling because of WoW clones, the RTS market has only Star Craft to speak of, there are barely any console games like the ones we used to enjoy except for Dark Souls.

  • moosecatlolmoosecatlol Member RarePosts: 1,531

    Originally posted by TheHavok

    Originally posted by Mackeh

    ok sorry

    I'm going to give you an award for being the first person to say sorry on mmorpg.com

    Congrats!

    Let it be known from now on and henceforth that we the users of MMORPG will now use "ok sorry" as a way to retort with someone else's differing view on a topic's subject.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    Ok another dooms day sooth sayer. Towelliee on twitch.Tv go check him 1000 plus view days in days out illumine packed on his channel.check how many post in there yesterday they everaged 70 plus all day long dying? Ya right. People need to work school etc where i come from bu after 6 till 1 am server get lot of player.was there any point to your post op.you want people to move to your title ok i ll bite.what is it. Maplestory?
  • zeLL08zeLL08 Member Posts: 7

    OP has a point. I write for a press site and recently published my review of SWTOR after a month of playing. In my honest opinion, I think I pointed out many of SWTOR bigger failures as opposed to many other reviews. I could post it but it is in spanish so you wouldn't understand it anyway.

     

    My score was a 8 (struggling with a 7, actually) and, surprisingly, it became one of the lower scores on the internet. In fact, SWTOR has a 8.5 average in Metacritic! But what is worse is the pressure someone (either BW or EA) is doing on the media. It's shameful. All I can say, someone up there qualified my potential 8 as a "very low score". What the?

     

    SWTOR is a good game, but is a very mediocre MMO. More reviews should point that, I tried to.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,976

    Originally posted by Mackeh

    Even the most die hard fan boy has to admit SWTOR has fell flat on it's face,

     

     

    Well, I can list the things that they have done wrong, the mistakes they have made, the things I don't like,  but I would hardly say it has fallen flat on it's face.

    Given your title I would like to offer an alternative:

    Gamers have fallen out of touch with where the industry is going and what casual gamers are really interested in.

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  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by Mackeh

    Even the most die hard fan boy has to admit SWTOR has fell flat on it's face,

     

     

    Well, I can list the things that they have done wrong, the mistakes they have made, the things I don't like,  but I would hardly say it has fallen flat on it's face.

    Given your title I would like to offer an alternative:

    Gamers have fallen out of touch with where the industry is going and what casual gamers are really interested in.

    I agree sadly.

    The masses want ultra casual easy mode games mainly. ( IMO ).

    While I think SWTOR is a decent game, its a very shallow ultra casual MMO made for the console generation of gamers. The target audience got exactly what they wanted.

    So no ToR did not fall flat on its face. In fact due to its ultra casual approach it will be a success. Maybe not the success they wanted, but overall will keep a healthy population of casuals. People wanting a bit of a deeper fleshed out MMO will just have to wait for something else.

    From a business standpoint appealing to the masses, which are console casuals, was a very smart move IMO.

     

    On topic.- The gaming sites/magazines are not out of touch, as they are reviewing the game for the intended audience. The average joe casual / jane console gamer will agree that ToR is an 8 or 9+.

    This is just my opinion of course. Agree or not as you like cause we all know what opinions are like =)

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    Zell08 if i can maintain a conversation in Chinese.Japanese.Korean etc and any language you cant think of(ya ie9 and on the fly Bing translate without click is my buddy)i don't see why we. Couldn't understand your site unless it isn't optimsed for today's web tool
  • zeLL08zeLL08 Member Posts: 7

    There you go, then: http://www.eurogamer.es/articles/2012-01-20-analisis-de-star-wars-the-old-republic

    It's a bit too long, as I wanted to talk about the game from three points of view: as a Bioware RPG, as WoW's legacy and as a MMO itself. A good game overall, with some key features (like taking decisions in quests) but with a lot of flaws, either technical (bugs, lack of content) and strategical (class balance, linear planets, lack of sandbox features). Pretty disappointing for the most expensive MMO (and videogame, I think) in history.

     

    For example, I returned to WoW some days ago (a game which I got tired of) and I found it pretty refreshing after a SWTOR month. I really missed some aspects, like VO or better graphics, but the gameplay is too superior, at least for me. More complex, more dynamic. And hella more massive. Of course, WoW has three expansions and a lot of years behind, but the comparison also works with the vanilla version.

     

    I'm not saying WoW rules because I was hating on it since practically yesterday. But this demonstrates how SWTOR fails to be the new king of the genre; it sold nicely and I'm sure a lot of people will still play it, but don't expect a 5-year phenomenon like WoW's. Its class stories are the only remarkable thing in the game, and you can't rely on them for such a long time.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar Member UncommonPosts: 7,856
    I agree with you on one point the skill system in wow is vastly superior. Even with auto attack avail or skill animation wow move smoothly etc.
  • VarkingVarking Member UncommonPosts: 542

    Not sure if it is Prime Time in Europe of not right now, but according to http://www.swtor.com/server-status

     

    Only 6 of Europes 91 server are "light". All the rest are currently standard. Not bad if you ask me.

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