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Does not matter what is said at the end of the day each person must ask are they enjoying themselves? If so pay the fee and continue if not move on no need for drama.
this is true but I paid till the 19th or so of feb.. so the drama continues:)
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Maybe its me but I find this game tons more enjoyable than I ever did STO.
I have no idea how long I will be playing this game, but I can honestly say no matter what they do with STO I doubt I'll ever touch that game again.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Why are there so many drama queens on both sides of the fence? I'm 30, I have a family, a career, yada yada yada. I playto have fun, when I'm not having fun, I move on.
What's with a sense of entitlement?
"It should have this, it should have that....I paid $60-120 bucks to buy the game and $15 bucks a month so unless it cures cancer, by the time it releases, then it's a just a trail of broken promises..... wahhhhhh wahhhhhhh!"
When I pay for a telephone service, I expect certain things. When I get bad service, I cancel the subscription. Verizon doesn't owe me sh1t. When a restaurant has bad service, I dont' go there anymore. I don't sit their and cry about it.
If SWTOR isn't floating your proverbial bloat... move on.... vote with your money... vote with your feet.... but please, for the love of all that is good and pure.... don't cry about it. Bioware doesn't OWE you anything.
I like the game... as soon as it gets old.. i'll move on... if it becomes better, I may come back. But as of now, the game is exactly in line with my expectations. It's Kotor/ME with mmo components. That's my cup of tea.
BTW... what the heck is broken? It's not playable? The ui isn't customizable? you have a little bit of ability lag? The quests don't work? the game blows up your computer?
By Broken.. you probably mean, it needs to have every single element of other mmos (which have had 7 years of release and 3 years of development) or else it's "broken." The game plays is stable with minor bug issues... all of which will be fixed in time... Par for the course with any other mmo ever released.
Fan or foe of the game, I think people should realize..... On the PR side, Ohlen is in way over his head.
Actually, there are some conventional things of an MMO that should be in from the beginning. The ability to customize your interface. Having an intuitive LFG system. Some others, but you get the point. If you don't have them, you aren't going to be taken seriously.
What you say reminds me of a classic question harking back to another Star War Game: Star Wars Galaxies. For almost the entirety of the game, the "sitting" mechanic was borked. Certain races couldn't properly sit in seats. When they finally fixed it, were they adding "new content?" Or when they removed something, gave it a new name, and reintroduced it (actually a lot of MMO's do this), are they adding "new content?"
if you honestly can't see why many people are bashing the game take a look at his footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94 also read the good cop bad cop feature on the front page and read the points suzie brings to the table.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
One can only hope that such a thing is true. Though even with the advent of new stuff it probably won't appease people the way they think it will.
Love Guild Wars? Final Fantasy? Harry Potter? Lord of the Rings?
Here is an excerpt from the new series:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/79738399/Archeon-and-the-Virgo-Moon-Excerpt
Apparently unless a new MMO has every feature of every MMO ever made before it at launch its only "half-finished"/
That really isn't it at all. There are certain standard conventions you should have. If you don't have them, it isn't game breaking (well most the time), but its still a strong strike against you.
Heheh my favorite two parts:
1. This storyline is so EPIC that we don't have the end of it ready so you're going to have to wait a few months to finish it. That's just how EPIC it is!
2. "We're always listening to our community."
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I just have one question. Has every big mmo launch recently included these things?
Nope. Some have, but not all. I don't feel that it warrants saying the game shouldn't have been launched.
Rift didn't launch with LFG (although it did have an awesome UI and the LFG came shortly after). People were begging for the LFG tool, but I never heard anyone say it shouldn't have launched.
These features are convenience features. Important ones in this day sure, but convenience features nonetheless.
There are many games that launch without either feature and do just fine.
To be clear, they are features I want in a game, but I don't think it's fair to judge the whole game based on two convenience features.
It's a good thing that they are adding them. It's not a bad thing.
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I don't know where you get that from but it would be nice if companies learned from past mmos far as what tends to make for a more enjoyable game environment and gameplay interface. Why you wouldn't want or expect companies to develop their games with these concepts in mind rather than always be content with them to be missing at launch and have to put them in later is beyond me.
Like with many other things I expect my games to evolve and adapt with each new launch to put items or conventions in place that have been shown in the past to make for an overall better gaming experience.
Seem many do. Not sure why some feel mmorpgs should be given a free pass or how a game launched years ago should still be the acceptable way a game launches now.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Seriously some of you are such big whiners, MMO's will never ever come fully complete. Why ???? cause it would take 50 years to develop.
Dont like this , dont play fking MMO's and move on.
Why would I not allow this if my toaster did not work, cause a toaster is a simple device with only 1 fumction
Now having said that I do agree too many MMO's come out too soon and it is not fair for us to pay for beta, but many of you expect too much at release . If they game is not fun just quit, and do more research befrore you buy the damn game.
I for 1 am enjoying myself at SWTOR, I do think a lot of things in this game they took the lazy route, and many things should of been implemented and improved before release.
But sorry to say no MMO will ever come out perfect, there is just too many variables and its such a huge project to undertake and impossible to to get it all right until you have 10000's of people playing it, hard to find all thats wrong in beta's
once again if you haven't watched this I would http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnPxP9Xsc94 gives a decent visual example of same very big issues with the game and the extra "features" are not the big issues... the big issues is the boring talent trees, the very limited class system, the very familiar and generic combat, the very instanced zones, the heavy use of phasing making areas feel empty, the large yet static worlds, the bland overused dialog, the very overused character model clones, the same pvp issues over and over.. the major focus on single player story in a online game, so many others but those are the ones that stick out and nowhere did I even get to ui or any of that other stuff
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
So they expect too much but you feel many come out too early. They took the lazy route on many things and many things should have been implemented and improved before release but...
Who exactly is your post directed at again? Was anyone here saying they expected perfection? Are they just being too vocal about it or something? Seem many share the same opinion as you....
Well, aside from how you start your post off anyways.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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Happily there are other worthy studio proud enough to deliver quality with way lower budget without even needing big IP to sell their games.
(Edit) And as iceman00 is saying, here's a small list of features lacking in TOR
Swimming
Third party addons
Minigames like card games or slot gamers
Dual spec
Day/night cycles
Non humanoid based playable races
Planetary housing
Housing furnishing
Animal based pet classes
Resources for crafting that do have quality
Complex crafting system
Guild leveling system
Animal mounts
Flying mounts
PvP Arenas
Collision detection between characters
Macros
Barber / Image Designer
Appearance tabs
Fishing
Guild "Tabard"
Multiplayer mounts
Gear Dyes
Shared storage bank slots
In game voice chat
LFG tool
Guild bank
Incentives for socialization
Character extended body customization
3 Factions RvR
Wolrd PvP
RPG tools
Underwater content
3d exploration
Explanations here
Did the devs lock themselves in some sort of bunker back in 2005 and just finally pop their heads out to see what's happening with the MMO genre??
The fact that they took the time (and money) to make a "coming soon" video highlighting guild banks, PvP rankings, and customizable UI is very telling.
Maybe their first expansion will have an achievement system!!
I love how the people defending TOR in this thread like to put words in people mouths.
No one expects a perfect game at launch. We expect a polished one.
The majority of issues in the video linked above and posts in this thread were all things that were constantly reported in beta months before release. As soon as i saw they came out with a release date to capitalize on Christmas, i knew they were releasing an unfinished game because most of the issues were not fixed and still are not fixed.
If you enjoy TOR, then so be it. I on the other hand, refuse to pay for beta. I did an enormous job reporting issues during the actual closed beta.
Silence is not going to help anyone ... How shall a game improve ? If the MMO community was silent in around say 2007, you would not see solid releases like you see today in RIFT, SWTOR.
It helps everyone who buys MMOs when they improve. ( more competition is a good thing )
You want Wow 2.0.
What you advocate isn't a black and white issue on waht a "good mmo" is... half the crap people suggest are about WoW. I'm sorry that ship has sailed... don't pretend your opinions will make SWTOR better... i like it as is, with the acceptance that it has issues which will be resolved in time.
If everyone knew what a great mmo is, you wouldn't have so many that fail after launch... the mmo crowd has become jaded.. that's all it is.. SWTOR isn't the problem.. the overall commuity is...
if you read Deewe's long post of his issues and the video I posted few posts above and can't see why people feel this isn't a very "good" mmo then honestly I'll say it again I feel sorry for the future of this genre... many fail because devs don't listen in beta to feedback.. I been in plenty of betas in my life and seen threads upon threads of feedback from testers complaining about the same things over and over yet the game gets released with these same issues every single time.. and the game in many ways fails because of these issues. Who is to blame the developers or the gamers?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
You know what I care about in a game? It's either fun for me or not fun. End of discussion. This game is the most fun I've had in an mmo for years so ye I will give them my money.
If I'm what's wrong with games, then what good have you done?
What's your huge contribution to the mmo industry?
Tell me something concrete you have done that has changed MMOs for everyone.
I play games for fun. They are just games. You treat it like it's politics.
This game is fun to me so I'm playing it. I'm sorry that it doesn't have swimming and fishing, which you so desperately need.
I think most of the stuff you listed is crap that I couldn't care less about.
Bottom line, I have a gamethat is fun to play to me. You can insult me all you want but that won't change my opinion. You can keep your fishing and underwater content and animal
Mounts. There are plenty of games out there with that stuff.
Aybe you'd be more happy in WoW? It has all that stuff ready to go for you.
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