More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers 2/1/12 [EA Conf Call Discussion Thread]

Tyyson

Good for Bioware and good for SW:TOR. Best mmo to come out in years!

bartoni33

Originally posted by teoyaomiqui

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- Star Wars(R): The Old Republic(TM) has generated 1.7 million active subscribers and sold through more than 2 million units in a little over one month.

And what does it say? Game generated.

 

Yes. TOR is self-aware now. It is generating its own subscription base. It is using the "lost" code from pre-NGE SWG to do this. Lucas is in on this too. It's all there in the report you guys are complaining about, you just need the Seer Stones that Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Mormon. True story.

See I can be silly too!

dubyahite

Originally posted by teoyaomiqui

 

First of the all the quoated "We currently have" was written by a forum user, he put it instead of generated himself

and the Edit to quote directly from the document:  "--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers"

Is for the end of the Q3, December, 31. the header is

Electronic Arts Reports Q3 FY12 Financial Results

--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers"

I wonder how can you possibly read it otherwise?

It is of Q3 result. So statements under this head line are true for the end of Q3, unless stated spesifically stated otherwise. Was it stated otherwise? Yes it was, but not in this statement, later in text:

- Star Wars(R): The Old Republic(TM) has generated 1.7 million active subscribers and sold through more than 2 million units in a little over one month.

And what does it say? Game generated.

 

Nice spin. 

 

Tell me, what do you think the word generated means?  It means created.  So the game created 1.7 million ACTIVE subscriptions.  

 

They are active.

 

How does the word generated mean what you are saying it means? 

 

Seriously, generated doesnt mean "they were there, but aren't any more"  it simply means that it created 1.7 million subs.  

 

They even use the word ACTIVE.  ACTIVE subscriptions means that they are going on right now, otherwise they would be inactive.

 

Keep on spinning the truth though. I don't even care anymore.  

MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/electronic-arts-reports-q3-fy12-financial-results-2012-02-01

"-- Star Wars(R): The Old Republic(TM) has generated 1.7 million active subscribers"

Direct quote from the OP's link.

 

Let's throw this in for good measure too, since you're so fond of misinformation:

Hilarious! This just keeps getting better and better.

You are quoting me posting a direct link and and exact quote from that link...

Unless you are suggesting www.marketwatch.com is in on TEH BIG CONSPIRACY to spread lies about this 'amazing' game...

 

smh_alot

Originally posted by teoyaomiqui


Originally posted by dubyahite


Originally posted by teoyaomiqui



Originally posted by Gagelish



Originally posted by UsualSuspect


The way I read it is that they sold over 2 million boxes. To play the game you need to create a subscription, which would mean - ignoring people who didn't bother - that they also once had over 2 million subscriptions. But by the date of this report, 31st, they only had 1.7 million subscriptions, which means within 10 days of its release the game had already lost over 300,000 subscribers.
Most people will wait until a date closer to the end of the 30 days to cancel their subscription, so really you're looking at a figure a lot less than 1.7 million once the Q4 report turns up. If you stick with the trend and have 300,000 drop out each 10 days then you're looking at more like 1 million come the end of the first month. And to be honest, I think that's overestimating judging by the ghost towns we call servers.

No matter how many times I read this story on how many different mmo sites it will always shock me how much trouble people have reading this report.

"We currently have a little over 1.7 million active subscribers." That sentence is separate from the earnings report and is not accurate as of 12/31, it's accurate as of 2/1.  Today.  So they've lost 300k in months and 11 days or so.  That says nothing about it's future, it says nothing about the eventual success or failure or whatever in between of the game.  It just says that.  But what it doesn't say, is, as of 12/31.  It's as of the call.

 

Learn to read, its not we have it is we generated.

Looks like it says "We currently have" to me.  

 

What was that you were saying about reading?

 

Edit to quote directly from the document:  "--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers"

 

 aOh and lets throw in the definition of generate for you too. Why not?

 

 

gen·er·ate

? ?[jen-uh-reyt]  Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.

verb (used with object)

1.

to bring into existence; cause to be; produce.

2.

to create by a vital or natural process.

3.

to create and distribute vitally and profusely: He generatesideas that we all should consider. A good diplomat generatesgood will.

4.

to reproduce; procreate.

5.

to produce by a chemical process.

 

 

So tell me again, how does the word generate disprove anything?

First of the all the quoated "We currently have" was written by a forum user, he put it instead of generated himself

and the Edit to quote directly from the document:  "--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers"

Is for the end of the Q3, December, 31. the header is

Electronic Arts Reports Q3 FY12 Financial Results

--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers"

I wonder how can you possibly read it otherwise?

It is of Q3 result. So statements under this head line are true for the end of Q3, unless stated spesifically stated otherwise. Was it stated otherwise? Yes it was, but not in this statement, later in text:

- Star Wars(R): The Old Republic(TM) has generated 1.7 million active subscribers and sold through more than 2 million units in a little over one month.

And what does it say? Game generated.

 

 

The "we currently have" is actually from the conference talk itself, I think it was stated several times but it was definitely said by Gibeau.

MartinZ

Every damn person who buys the game is forced to enter their credit card and becomes one of SWTORs 'active subscribers'. That is what EA tried to pass off in their conference call. They were called out and had to clarify that, no, they don't have 1.7 million active and PAYING subscriptions. The number they are reporting is a mixture of both paying subs and new players who are in their free month.

Get over it.

Trying to claim 1.7 million subs when EA themselves hours ago were forced to respond that no they don't have 1.7 million paying subs:

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-beats-targets-on-sales-gain-forecast-off-2012-02-01?link=MW_story_featstor

"now has about 1.7 million active subscribers playing the online multiplayer title, which Brown said represents a mix of users who already have signed up for a paid subscription and users who have given their credit cards over, but have not yet had their paid plans kick in."

 

Metentso

Uhm.. never mind.

dubyahite

Here we go nay-sayers. This is a transcript of the conference call with both the presentation portion and the Q&A

 

http://seekingalpha.com/article/333912-electronic-arts-ceo-discusses-q3-2012-results-earnings-call-transcript?part=qanda

 

 

I chose a specific question from the QA section to quote here for you.  Try to spin this one.  Again, keep in mind, illegal to lie to investors here. Jail time, prison, Bernie Madoff, Enron,  etc...

 

 

"Brian J. Pitz - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Great. And just one really quick follow-up. Can you give us a sense for how many of those 1.7 million active subs we could expect to convert to paying subs after the initial free month? How should we kind of think about that?

Frank D. Gibeau

Yes, let me -- maybe what I can do is I'll define active subscribers for you, and then give you a little color on that. We're not going to be able to talk too deeply on conversion just because it's so early in the life of the product. We're only 10 days past our first month anniversary. But essentially, we're using the industry standard for active subscribers. If anyone paying a subscription or playing on an active prepaid timecard, and those who have registered to play are still in the trial subscription period. I can't tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering we're only, like I said, 42 days into the launch, and you have a 30-day trial period. So a lot of people are voting that they want to be a part of the service and are engaged, which is great news."

 

 

See all the dates he's talking about? 10 days past the first month, 42 days into the launch.  Very clearly talking about 1.7 million right now.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hell, I'll throw this in there for you as well, just to be sure

 

 

"Brian J. Pitz - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Just regarding Star Wars and the margin opportunity going forward, I was wondering if you could help us think about the impact of the 1.7 million subscribers? When will we start to see that affect really start to play out? And then you talked a bit about how you'll be delivering fresh content for Star Wars. Can you help us think about the level of R&D required to support this game on an ongoing basis?

 

Eric F. Brown

So this is Eric, I'll take the first part of the question. I think it's important to note that we're at the very, very early stage of the Star Wars launch. We're not even 2 months into this, and so it's difficult to -- if you'd extrapolate off of where we are today with 1.7 million active subscribers. Suffice it to say, it's been a really strong launch, great stability and a great take rate and create engagement. As to the future content plans, I'll pass that to Frank.

 

 

 

See that red part? He said where we are TODAY with 1.7 million active subscribers.

 

TODAY is the key word there. He said they have 1.7 million actives TODAY. 

 

 

 

 

can't get much more clear than that.  Again, lying to investors in this way would be illegal as crap. They aren't lying.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit:   I'll just leave this here...it's from the presentation part and its the quote that people were saying was made up (lol)

 

 

"Let me offer some metrics on purchase and subscription that will help you understand this business. As John stated, we have sold through 2 million units of the game since December. We currently have a little over 1.7 million active subscribers. The rest have either not started playing yet or have opted out. This is an outstanding start for an MMO, and the metrics on engagement suggests players are loving the game. Unique log-ins are averaging about 1 million per day, and their average playtime is approximately 4 hours per day."

smh_alot

Yep, everyone who started their free month in January is included as well as those who started playing in December and decided to sub after their free month was finished, but not those that opted out.

Looking at the numbers in tracking sites and comparing them with other MMO launches and retention figures, plus the officially announced over 2 million sales compared to 1 million or less sales of other MMO launches, I wouldn't be surprised if TOR has double the player numbers and sub numbers those other MMO's had after the 1st month... which is kinda the number of active subs that they reported >.>

^_^

MartinZ

Originally posted by Metentso

It's obvious they are talking about active subscriptions at some point since release. So if a guy was subscribed the 25th december and canceled the next day, he is counted in.

Very lame.

So wouldn't be surprised if they have half of that figure active right now.

Yep.

SWTOR has most likely somewhere in the 900k to 1.1 million sub. A bit better than WAR had after its first month.

We know from EA that the 1.7 million figure is paying subs and new players in their first free month.

1.7 million == currently paying subs + new players

The game doesn't have anywhere near 1.7 million paying subs because that would mean there are almost no new players...

 

dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/electronic-arts-reports-q3-fy12-financial-results-2012-02-01

"-- Star Wars(R): The Old Republic(TM) has generated 1.7 million active subscribers"

Direct quote from the OP's link.

 

Let's throw this in for good measure too, since you're so fond of misinformation:

Hilarious! This just keeps getting better and better.

You are quoting me posting a direct link and and exact quote from that link...

Unless you are suggesting www.marketwatch.com is in on TEH BIG CONSPIRACY to spread lies about this 'amazing' game...

 

The hillarious part (and the misinformation part) is that you're trying to say that the word generated somehow means that those subscribers aren't currently active.  

 

The word generated means created.  You should look it up in a dictionary.  

Gaudrath

Even if SWTOR ends up with a bajillion subscribers, it would only prove that you can sell people a turd as long as it's wrapped in a Star Wars package.

I think EA is well aware of that fact.

MartinZ

Originally posted by smh_alot

Yep, everyone who started their free month in January is included as well as those who started playing in December and decided to sub after their free month was finished, but not those that opted out.

 

Looking at the numbers in tracking sites and comparing them with other MMO launches and retention figures, plus the officially announced over 2 million sales compared to 1 million or less sales of other MMO launches, I wouldn't be surprised if TOR has double the player numbers and sub numbers those other MMO's had after the 1st month... which is kinda the number of active subs that they reported >.>

 

^_^

It is obvious that is not true.

WAR had 800k after its first month.

If you are claiming SWTOR has 1.6 million paying subs then you are also claiming the game only has 100k new players...

It's not that complicated. 1.6 million + x has to equal 1.7 million number directly from EA.

The games doesn't have anywhere near 1.6 million paying subs.

 

smh_alot

Originally posted by MartinZ


Originally posted by Metentso

It's obvious they are talking about active subscriptions at some point since release. So if a guy was subscribed the 25th december and canceled the next day, he is counted in.
Very lame.
So wouldn't be surprised if they have half of that figure active right now.

Yep.

SWTOR has most likely somewhere in the 900k to 1.1 million sub. A bit better than WAR had after its first month.

Naah, nonsense. Double the sales that WAR had + same or slightly better retention = double the subs that WAR had at this point

That's logic and common sense to you.

Sorry, but it is what it is. Don't be mad bc TOR is somewhat more successful than you'd expected or wished it to be >.>

^_^

dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by Metentso

It's obvious they are talking about active subscriptions at some point since release. So if a guy was subscribed the 25th december and canceled the next day, he is counted in.

Very lame.

So wouldn't be surprised if they have half of that figure active right now.

Yep.

SWTOR has most likely somewhere in the 900k to 1.1 million sub. A bit better than WAR had after its first month.

We know from EA that the 1.7 million figure is paying subs and new players in their first free month.

1.7 million == currently paying subs + new players

The game doesn't have anywhere near 1.7 million paying subs because that would mean there are almost no new players...

 

Proof?

Dredphyre

haha, a lot mad posters here trying to cling desperately to some delusion that SWTOR is doing poorly. LOL. 

 

Your negative campaign has failed. Try harder noobs.

MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/electronic-arts-reports-q3-fy12-financial-results-2012-02-01

"-- Star Wars(R): The Old Republic(TM) has generated 1.7 million active subscribers"

Direct quote from the OP's link.

 

Let's throw this in for good measure too, since you're so fond of misinformation:

Hilarious! This just keeps getting better and better.

You are quoting me posting a direct link and and exact quote from that link...

Unless you are suggesting www.marketwatch.com is in on TEH BIG CONSPIRACY to spread lies about this 'amazing' game...

 

The hillarious part (and the misinformation part) is that you're trying to say that the word generated somehow means that those subscribers aren't currently active.  

 

The word generated means created.  You should look it up in a dictionary.  

Guy, give it a rest. You're batting 000.

No such claim was made. Nor can you link to any such claim.

The use of word 'generated' is the red flag that led me to go find the reason EA was using such an obviously wishwashy word:

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-beats-targets-on-sales-gain-forecast-off-2012-02-01?link=MW_story_featstor

"now has about 1.7 million active subscribers playing the online multiplayer title, which Brown said represents a mix of users who already have signed up for a paid subscription and users who have given their credit cards over, but have not yet had their paid plans kick in."

 

And, yep, I immediately found the direct quote making it clear why they used the word 'generated'.

 

Poor little desperate EA, trying to pass off the combined paying subs and new players as all paying subs.

 

We're done. There's nothing you can post that can save this sinking ship. WAR, Rift, SWTOR? Which of the three dies fastest is of little interest.

 

Shivam

Originally posted by MartinZ

 

We're done. There's nothing you can post that can save this sinking ship. WAR, Rift, SWTOR? Which of the three dies fastest is of little interest.

 

Everythign dies eventually but you defination of 'dying' is really screwed up.

MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by Metentso

It's obvious they are talking about active subscriptions at some point since release. So if a guy was subscribed the 25th december and canceled the next day, he is counted in.

Very lame.

So wouldn't be surprised if they have half of that figure active right now.

Yep.

SWTOR has most likely somewhere in the 900k to 1.1 million sub. A bit better than WAR had after its first month.

We know from EA that the 1.7 million figure is paying subs and new players in their first free month.

1.7 million == currently paying subs + new players

The game doesn't have anywhere near 1.7 million paying subs because that would mean there are almost no new players...

 

Proof?

Are you serious?

Perhaps there is some non-math thread you can go play in?

 

 

Shivam

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by Metentso

It's obvious they are talking about active subscriptions at some point since release. So if a guy was subscribed the 25th december and canceled the next day, he is counted in.

Very lame.

So wouldn't be surprised if they have half of that figure active right now.

Yep.

SWTOR has most likely somewhere in the 900k to 1.1 million sub. A bit better than WAR had after its first month.

We know from EA that the 1.7 million figure is paying subs and new players in their first free month.

1.7 million == currently paying subs + new players

The game doesn't have anywhere near 1.7 million paying subs because that would mean there are almost no new players...

 

Proof?

Are you serious?

Perhaps there is some non-math thread you can go play in?

 

 

When you try to pass your assumptions as valid info ofcourse you gotto prove it or no one will take you seriously. Surprised?

chaintm

This whole thread reads like....

 

"you know what really grinds my gears? SWTOR being successful!"

 

dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by dubyahite

Originally posted by MartinZ

Originally posted by Metentso

It's obvious they are talking about active subscriptions at some point since release. So if a guy was subscribed the 25th december and canceled the next day, he is counted in.

Very lame.

So wouldn't be surprised if they have half of that figure active right now.

Yep.

SWTOR has most likely somewhere in the 900k to 1.1 million sub. A bit better than WAR had after its first month.

We know from EA that the 1.7 million figure is paying subs and new players in their first free month.

1.7 million == currently paying subs + new players

The game doesn't have anywhere near 1.7 million paying subs because that would mean there are almost no new players...

 

Proof?

Are you serious?

Perhaps there is some non-math thread you can go play in?

 

 

Well you said they have 900k to 1.1 million subs.  I'm sure you have some proof to back that up, don't you?  

 

So show me the proof of how many new players bought the game in january and are still in their free month.  You don't have any.  

 

Math is not based on conjecture. That's what you're doing here. Guessing. 

 

Show me proof of how many of that 1.7 million is in their free month.

smh_alot

Originally posted by MartinZ

We're done. There's nothing you can post that can save this sinking ship. WAR, Rift, SWTOR? Which of the three dies fastest is of little interest.

 

 

Aaaand here you go: wishful thinking alert, the 'god, I wish that a game I dislike/hate/despise would really fail, bc I can't stand to accept ANY positive news about it' agenda that steers all arguments >.<

We'll see. There is no doubt that the competition this year is particularly fierce with the many high quality MMO's that will be released.

Me, personally, however, I'm glad that there'll be many new MMO's for MMO gamers to choose from, so that with the increased variety a wider range of MMO gamers maybe will find what they're looking for and finally will really enjoy MMO gaming again.

Shivam

Originally posted by chaintm

This whole thread reads like....

 

"you know what really grinds my gears? SWTOR being successful!"

 

Bingo. lol

So much grumbling over numbers its amazing. 

Precusor

Congrats EA!!!!!!