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  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Tenebroso

    SWTOR is what it is. I repeat: SWTOR is what it is. You should read it again. SWTOR in its current form bothers you because...you expect something out of a game that can't give you what you need. What you need is to be content and excited about an MMO again, like you were with your first one before you got bored of it. My friends, that feeling will never come back. It is human nature, to get bored and to move on to other things. The thing itself that you once loved and now you don't, is not to blame here. You simply have gotten burned out from MMOs all together, chasing a feeling and a thrill that will never be back, because you have leveled a toon before, and the core elements of an MMO, in order to be an MMO, never change. It is like kissing your first girl, making your first high volume sale, buying your first car, surviving your first public speech. After a while, things just get old. You make a toon, cast spells and swing a weapon at a mob, quest etc...which MMO doesn't have this? Maybe this is what you are bored with? And when an MMO is made which doesn't have all that, will it be an MMO? So, could it be that really this isn't about SWTOR, but actually you trying to make SWTOR what it can never be for you? Truth hurts. Remember: "Situations, don't make the man. They reveal him, to himself" -Socrates Now flame away :-)

     

    /sigh... another predictable poster claiming that SWTOR is disliked by some because of 'burnout'... projecting all it's failures on to the player. This silly notion, which is really just an effort to rationalise others not sharing the posters point of view, has to stop.

    It's just a weak tactic that dismisses others PoV without having to look at the points they are making and recognising they might be valid and you might have to adjust how you see this thing.

    God forbid some don't like it because it's just pretty... boring.

    I actually like themeparks (as well as sandboxes... I just like fun games), but SWTOR just isn't a good themepark- It's a limited, narrow, childish, hand holding, unimaginative, unambitious, and derivative example of a themepark.

     

    All your thread is doing here is inviting posters to list again all their reasons for not liking this game.

  • BigCaliGuruBigCaliGuru Member UncommonPosts: 103

    Originally posted by I_Return

    I agree with the op, I want a deep thought out  game with care taking in each aspect of it;s design. I want pvp to have meaningful rewards (land ownership / seiging), I want to be awe struck with a horizon that can be reached and quests that last months. You are right Op, it is me.

    It is also me.

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  • tank017tank017 Member Posts: 2,192

    Originally posted by Tenebroso

    SWTOR is what it is. I repeat: SWTOR is what it is. You should read it again. SWTOR in its current form bothers you because...you expect something out of a game that can't give you what you need. What you need is to be content and excited about an MMO again, like you were with your first one before you got bored of it. My friends, that feeling will never come back. It is human nature, to get bored and to move on to other things. The thing itself that you once loved and now you don't, is not to blame here. You simply have gotten burned out from MMOs all together, chasing a feeling and a thrill that will never be back, because you have leveled a toon before, and the core elements of an MMO, in order to be an MMO, never change. It is like kissing your first girl, making your first high volume sale, buying your first car, surviving your first public speech. After a while, things just get old. You make a toon, cast spells and swing a weapon at a mob, quest etc...which MMO doesn't have this? Maybe this is what you are bored with? And when an MMO is made which doesn't have all that, will it be an MMO? So, could it be that really this isn't about SWTOR, but actually you trying to make SWTOR what it can never be for you? Truth hurts. Remember: "Situations, don't make the man. They reveal him, to himself" -Socrates Now flame away :-)

    Then why is it that I can go back to EQ1,Vanguard, or Rift and have tons more fun than in ToR?

     

    ToR is a poorly made "MMO" in its current state.When as many people are expressing their dissatisfaction as there are then its not really a 'its you' thing..

  • VesaviusVesavius Member RarePosts: 7,908

    Originally posted by Zefire

    There is good jazz music and bad jazz music

    People who like certain things know how to seperate good quality versus crap quality.

     

    Indeed.

    Can you imagine, in that jazz conversation, one guy saying to another, 'if you don't like what I like it's because you no longer like jazz'.

    It really is a silly way to try and protect an opinion about a game.

  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904

    Originally posted by psyknx

    Originally posted by Chieftan

    Get a  life.
    Posts: 1195

    Over 7 years....
    That's 3 posts a week...

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  • TenebrosoTenebroso Member Posts: 262
    What we want is freedom. Freedom is to have a game be whatever we want it to be. For us to make a game whatever we want it to be, we each individually would have to be able to create a gaming world that fits our ideal of the perfect game. If each of us create a gaming world, there would be thousands of worlds, with a thin player base in them. Then you would be complaining that you have no one else to play with. Worlds get similar, mirroying the most popular worlds to attract the most players. Then suddenly there is more of the same, we get tired of it...we make posts about this world or that world, this game or that game not being what we want. Rinse and repeat.

    Some guy said something about eating crap and McDonald's....you don't need to eat there.
  • bumuscheekusbumuscheekus Member Posts: 214

    This is weird. When I was half awake this morning argueing this very point with myself.

     

    AGREE: On the one hand I think they've made a pretty solid game, it probably is my fault I overplayed this genre. This would seem to explain why I find myself, less than 2 months in, increasingly reluctant to log into a game that really should tickle my G spots in all the right places.

     

    DISAGREE: On the other hand, it is quite clearly marketed to an audience of people like me who enjoy this kind of game. I can't be held responsible for their lack of foresight that the gargantuan post-wow audience would be starting to get a pain in their arses with being spoonfed the same thing in different clothes. Furthermore, it's not the same as WOW (and preceeding games of the genre) were at the beginning, I dont remember nearly as many souless locales, environmental limitations and invisible walls. Part of the charm of the preceeding games of this genre was that, even if they were limited and themeparky, they felt open, alive, like there was life in every sea-shell and your roaming options were next to limitless. There are far too many big and small things here that do the opposite to make it 'my fault' I and many others are not enjoying it as much as we 'should'.

  • CorehavenCorehaven Member UncommonPosts: 1,533

    Originally posted by Tenebroso

    SWTOR is what it is. I repeat: SWTOR is what it is. You should read it again. SWTOR in its current form bothers you because...you expect something out of a game that can't give you what you need. What you need is to be content and excited about an MMO again, like you were with your first one before you got bored of it. My friends, that feeling will never come back. It is human nature, to get bored and to move on to other things. The thing itself that you once loved and now you don't, is not to blame here. You simply have gotten burned out from MMOs all together, chasing a feeling and a thrill that will never be back, because you have leveled a toon before, and the core elements of an MMO, in order to be an MMO, never change. It is like kissing your first girl, making your first high volume sale, buying your first car, surviving your first public speech. After a while, things just get old. You make a toon, cast spells and swing a weapon at a mob, quest etc...which MMO doesn't have this? Maybe this is what you are bored with? And when an MMO is made which doesn't have all that, will it be an MMO? So, could it be that really this isn't about SWTOR, but actually you trying to make SWTOR what it can never be for you? Truth hurts. Remember: "Situations, don't make the man. They reveal him, to himself" -Socrates Now flame away :-)

     

    Okay, except you're totally wrong!   Congratulations. 

     

    I just started playing an older mmorpg and Im having a blast and have for several months now.  Its called Pirates of the Burning Sea.  I started with UO.  I've played plenty of WoW and experimented with others. 

     

    The reason Im not pleased with Swtor is Ive played better games and I know what the industry can deliver.  Some movies I love, others I hate.  It has nothing to do with the fact Im still in love with my first movie and yearn for every movie to excite me as much. 

     

    Your entire reasoning is flawed unfortunately.  The reason people are disatisfied with Swtor (if indeed they are) is because they've played better games, mmorpgs and otherwise and have come to expect better from the industry as a whole.  Even you could admit Swtor could have been much better.  Why?  Because you've probably seen far better.  We know it can be done.  It was not done here. 

     

    Period. 

  • CelusiosCelusios Member UncommonPosts: 337

    The fact the end-game is 100% crap is not my fault. The Champion Bag idea was horrible, PVP is generically not fun at 50 due to severe gear caps (people having top gear due to Ilum exploitation and BW refusing to roll them back). Servers are inbalanced, because for some reason they did not implement a faction balance similar to what Aion has. With that, as a Republic player I cannot go to Ilum and enjoy what it was created for as 40+ Empire players sit outside the Republic landing zone waiting for kills, Warzones are thus inbalanced as those players get ahead due to progression and us being the cause of their progression.

    TL;DR - It is Bioware's fault, not ours.

  • TenebrosoTenebroso Member Posts: 262
    Corehaven....you made my point completely.
    SWTOR isn't for you, Pirates of the burning sea is! Congratulations :D

    You said people are dissatisfied because they expect more. There is nothing wrong with expecting more, in this context, what I am trying to say is that the "more" isn't SWTOR.
    And i posted about the "more" (freedom) ideal a few posts above...maybe you call tell us your thoughts on that too?
  • tristanryantristanryan Member Posts: 233

    Originally posted by Celusios

    The fact the end-game is 100% crap is not my fault. The Champion Bag idea was horrible, PVP is generically not fun at 50 due to severe gear caps (people having top gear due to Ilum exploitation and BW refusing to roll them back). Servers are inbalanced, because for some reason they did not implement a faction balance similar to what Aion has. With that, as a Republic player I cannot go to Ilum and enjoy what it was created for as 40+ Empire players sit outside the Republic landing zone waiting for kills, Warzones are thus inbalanced as those players get ahead due to progression and us being the cause of their progression.

    TL;DR - It is Bioware's fault, not ours.

     

    This is my exact experience.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I would also like to add, if it wasnt for damn SWG and me being an absolute die hard reb, i would just roll sith and clearly have much more FUN. For some reason i just cant get into the "evil" side of video games. They even look cooler, have much better titles, and every single example of an accidental "mirroring imbalance" benefits the Empire and not the Republic..... on accident they say, complete oversight.

    Then, the Ilum patch. It was made very, very clear on the PTR forum what would happen with the patch release. The exact scenario happened. Thousands of full battlemaster empire now. The are more Empire in full battlemaster than there are Republic *in total*. That is how bad the imbalance is. The Ilum patch allowed Empire to exploit for several days. Bioware was warned. Bioware apologized nicely, but refused to rollback or punish anyone. If you're curious, they are still "investigating"....................................................................................................................

    Even the "fixes" they patch in, bringing servers down at midnight... pacific... every 3 days... then weekly maintenance, and very, very rarely do they "fix" what the servers were brought down for. Let me give you one example. The other night they applied a "fix". This lead to 2 straight days of the "loading screen" just randomly popping up anytime during gameplay. Yeah, you know. The screen that covers the whole screen while you load into a new world or zone? Many games have this, even WoW. Well, the worst part of it was, it didnt just pop up and sit there, it FLASHED. CONSTANTLY. Every few seconds. This is one example of a myriad of embarassing mistakes, i can list more but people just call me a trol and a hater.

    I have never looked forward to a video game more and i knew it was themepark, not sandbox. Still, ive never been more dissapointed or felt more "fooled" in my life. The last year of hype, is what i consider false advertisement.

  • CavodCavod Member Posts: 295

    Originally posted by psyknx

    Originally posted by Chieftan

    Get a  life.

    Posts: 1195

    Joined: 5/16/05

    We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  • TheCrow2kTheCrow2k Member Posts: 953

    Originally posted by Tenebroso

    SWTOR is what it is. I repeat: SWTOR is what it is. You should read it again. SWTOR in its current form bothers you because...you expect something out of a game that can't give you what you need. What you need is to be content and excited about an MMO again, like you were with your first one before you got bored of it. My friends, that feeling will never come back. It is human nature, to get bored and to move on to other things. The thing itself that you once loved and now you don't, is not to blame here. You simply have gotten burned out from MMOs all together, chasing a feeling and a thrill that will never be back, because you have leveled a toon before, and the core elements of an MMO, in order to be an MMO, never change. It is like kissing your first girl, making your first high volume sale, buying your first car, surviving your first public speech. After a while, things just get old. You make a toon, cast spells and swing a weapon at a mob, quest etc...which MMO doesn't have this? Maybe this is what you are bored with? And when an MMO is made which doesn't have all that, will it be an MMO? So, could it be that really this isn't about SWTOR, but actually you trying to make SWTOR what it can never be for you? Truth hurts. Remember: "Situations, don't make the man. They reveal him, to himself" -Socrates Now flame away :-)

     

    Your theory (and thats all it is) may apply to a few of the dissatisfied SWTOR players but certainly not all. I didnt get bored with SWTOR I simply found the entire experience uninspired, I never tried Rift and I only played WoW a short time as It didnt interest me. Infact before I got SWTOR I had not played an MMO in 10 months.

    So I think your theory only applies to a small percentage of SWTOR players who have not subbed after their OOTB time expired.

  • CelusiosCelusios Member UncommonPosts: 337

    Originally posted by tristanryan

    Originally posted by Celusios

    The fact the end-game is 100% crap is not my fault. The Champion Bag idea was horrible, PVP is generically not fun at 50 due to severe gear caps (people having top gear due to Ilum exploitation and BW refusing to roll them back). Servers are inbalanced, because for some reason they did not implement a faction balance similar to what Aion has. With that, as a Republic player I cannot go to Ilum and enjoy what it was created for as 40+ Empire players sit outside the Republic landing zone waiting for kills, Warzones are thus inbalanced as those players get ahead due to progression and us being the cause of their progression.

    TL;DR - It is Bioware's fault, not ours.

     

    This is my exact experience.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I would also like to add, if it wasnt for damn SWG and me being an absolute die hard reb, i would just roll sith and clearly have much more FUN. For some reason i just cant get into the "evil" side of video games. They even look cooler, have much better titles, and every single example of an accidental "mirroring imbalance" benefits the Empire and not the Republic..... on accident they say, complete oversight.

    Then, the Ilum patch. It was made very, very clear on the PTR forum what would happen with the patch release. The exact scenario happened. Thousands of full battlemaster empire now. The are more Empire in full battlemaster than there are Republic *in total*. That is how bad the imbalance is. The Ilum patch allowed Empire to exploit for several days. Bioware was warned. Bioware apologized nicely, but refused to rollback or punish anyone. If you're curious, they are still "investigating"....................................................................................................................

    Even the "fixes" they patch in, bringing servers down at midnight... pacific... every 3 days... then weekly maintenance, and very, very rarely do they "fix" what the servers were brought down for. Let me give you one example. The other night they applied a "fix". This lead to 2 straight days of the "loading screen" just randomly popping up anytime during gameplay. Yeah, you know. The screen that covers the whole screen while you load into a new world or zone? Many games have this, even WoW. Well, the worst part of it was, it didnt just pop up and sit there, it FLASHED. CONSTANTLY. Every few seconds. This is one example of a myriad of embarassing mistakes, i can list more but people just call me a trol and a hater.

    I have never looked forward to a video game more and i knew it was themepark, not sandbox. Still, ive never been more dissapointed or felt more "fooled" in my life. The last year of hype, is what i consider false advertisement.

    Exactly. I myself based on the movies and what-not am a die hard Republic, or rather Jedi in general fan. Not to mention I don't like to play a video game cruel. I'd rather save a group of people than kill them all for no reason, in my playstyle. Sith would never fit me as a Light Side Sith still has to make those harsh decisions.

  • IsawaIsawa Member UncommonPosts: 1,051

    Originally posted by Tenebroso

    SWTOR is what it is. I repeat: SWTOR is what it is. You should read it again. SWTOR in its current form bothers you because...you expect something out of a game that can't give you what you need..........So, could it be that really this isn't about SWTOR, but actually you trying to make SWTOR what it can never be for you? Truth hurts. Remember: "Situations, don't make the man. They reveal him, to himself" -Socrates Now flame away :-)

    Are you actually playing this game? See the bug reports that go along with each patch, I've been contributing to those updates since before launch :)

    The game is not even what it should be, for itself yet. And there is this supposedly cool thing called the Legacy system, which is not even implemented into the game beyond a title...

    If they allowed you to be "aliens" and updated character creation (as the legacy system hints at), then the game would already start being better.  However, this will most likely not be addressed until all of the bugs are patched up, and since during my last playtime - I reported two more bugs...the road shall be slow.

  • KickaxeKickaxe Member UncommonPosts: 177

    Originally posted by Corehaven

     

    Okay, except you're totally wrong!   Congratulations. 

     

    I just started playing an older mmorpg and Im having a blast and have for several months now.  Its called Pirates of the Burning Sea.  I started with UO.  I've played plenty of WoW and experimented with others. 

     

    The reason Im not pleased with Swtor is Ive played better games and I know what the industry can deliver.  Some movies I love, others I hate.  It has nothing to do with the fact Im still in love with my first movie and yearn for every movie to excite me as much. 

     

    Your entire reasoning is flawed unfortunately.  The reason people are disatisfied with Swtor (if indeed they are) is because they've played better games, mmorpgs and otherwise and have come to expect better from the industry as a whole.  Even you could admit Swtor could have been much better.  Why?  Because you've probably seen far better.  We know it can be done.  It was not done here. 

     

    Period. 

    The OP is overgeneralizing, is the actual problem with his topic starter here.  Many of us continually make this same mistake, or at least some variation of it--assuming that those within both groups, detractors and fans, are particularly unified in their preferences and viewpoints.  They absolutely are not.  You, Corehaven, would probably be at odds with many of the TOR detractors in your current affinity for PotBS.  Though, we cannot pretend that there would be anything even approaching the emotional element of the current topic--TOR.

     

    My point, anyway, is that I don't think that the OP is giving credit to some of the valuable and insightful criticism that has been given by the detractors, and furthermore, he is not allowing for the variety of different views that are present here and on many other forums.  I would in fact count myself amongst both the critics and supporters of TOR.  This is not a paradox.  I simply refuse to fall into the trap of being an idealogue through pride or emotion, or any other intellect-corrupting force my mind should be easily capable of resisting.

     

    That being acknowledged, however, I do think that the general statement, 'one might be confusing personal preference for truth,' is worthy of consideration.  Though, I have to admit, even here, this topic is a very dead horse being insanely overbeaten.  But what else is never new here?

     

    With your last paragraph, Corehaven, I wanted to ask how are you to explain those of us who consider TOR a good game, and have also played many other good MMO's?  I'm sure there is a temptation to write us off in some way, and I've seen that happen all too many times, but consider that doing that is uncomfortably similar to the topic starter of this thread.

  • CujoSWAoACujoSWAoA Member UncommonPosts: 1,781

    SW:TOR sucks.

    Its not my fault it sucks.

    So no, its not me. Its SW:TOR.

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

    SW:TOR sucks.

    Its not my fault it sucks.

    So no, its not me. Its SW:TOR.

    You are the same guy who says there is not a single show worth watching on television and everything on it sucks. I wouldn't take what you think 'sucks' too seriously.

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

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  • WicoaWicoa Member UncommonPosts: 1,637

    Er... its not my fault swtor doesnt give me anything else to do at cap than sit on a fleet spinning on my mount waiting for competent people ?

    FYI I still very much like kissing girls no different than the first.

     

     

  • TenebrosoTenebroso Member Posts: 262
    If you read my post a bit more carefully, you will notice that I am asking and offering a new point of view as to why someone may be unhappy with SWTOR. I didnt label everyone or their issues.

    And Wicoa...you are saying that every time you kiss the same gal, your heart races, you breath heavier and feel all those emotions over and over again every single time exactly the same?
    And SWTOR gives what it gives. Waiting for people to group is part of playing an MMO isn't it not? SWTOR doesn't have instant group forming capabilities, you know that. What's the surprise here?
  • tank017tank017 Member Posts: 2,192

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

    SW:TOR sucks.

    Its not my fault it sucks.

    So no, its not me. Its SW:TOR.

    You are the same guy who says there is not a single show worth watching on television and everything on it sucks. I wouldn't take what you think 'sucks' too seriously.

    actually most shows on tv do suck..

    and he has a valid point.

     

  • ShivamShivam Member Posts: 465

    Originally posted by tank017

    Originally posted by Shivam

    Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

    SW:TOR sucks.

    Its not my fault it sucks.

    So no, its not me. Its SW:TOR.

    You are the same guy who says there is not a single show worth watching on television and everything on it sucks. I wouldn't take what you think 'sucks' too seriously.

    actually most shows on tv do suck..

    and he has a valid point.

     

    I never said most..i said 'everything'.. i can quote his original post if you like.

    You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty -- Mahatma Gandhi

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  • TenebrosoTenebroso Member Posts: 262
    What SWTOR did or didn't do isn't the cause of your frustration....how you choose to feel.about it all, is.
  • CaldrinCaldrin Member UncommonPosts: 4,505

    Originally posted by Tenebroso

    SWTOR is what it is. I repeat: SWTOR is what it is. You should read it again. SWTOR in its current form bothers you because...you expect something out of a game that can't give you what you need. What you need is to be content and excited about an MMO again, like you were with your first one before you got bored of it. My friends, that feeling will never come back. It is human nature, to get bored and to move on to other things. The thing itself that you once loved and now you don't, is not to blame here. You simply have gotten burned out from MMOs all together, chasing a feeling and a thrill that will never be back, because you have leveled a toon before, and the core elements of an MMO, in order to be an MMO, never change. It is like kissing your first girl, making your first high volume sale, buying your first car, surviving your first public speech. After a while, things just get old. You make a toon, cast spells and swing a weapon at a mob, quest etc...which MMO doesn't have this? Maybe this is what you are bored with? And when an MMO is made which doesn't have all that, will it be an MMO? So, could it be that really this isn't about SWTOR, but actually you trying to make SWTOR what it can never be for you? Truth hurts. Remember: "Situations, don't make the man. They reveal him, to himself" -Socrates Now flame away :-)

    Not true..

     

    My first MMORPG was everquest and I had great fun playing that..

    My next major MMORPG was AO and guess what i had awesome fun playing that..

    Then I moved onto SWG and heh guess what it was even better than the other ones i had played.

    Then I moved onto WOW got stupid bored by the time I got to lvl 30..

    Most AAA titles after this have sucked balls as they have just been copies of WoW..

    The next MMORPG to drag me in was Darkfall, it was so different than the other cookie cutter games out there and i have had some of the best times playing Darkfall and i must admit probally even more fun than i did in all the other MMORPGs.

     

    So yes its possible for MORPG to be fun even now after all these years of MMORPGs being around, but sadly all the AAA compaies love making wow clones as they think its the best way to make money. Maybe it is for the short term but they dont usually stand up to the popularity of WoW.. So yes people are getting bored of the current generation of WoW clones but what do you expect? we have been getting them shoved down our throats since wow was released...

     

     

     

  • DredphyreDredphyre Member Posts: 601

    Originally posted by Elikal

    Oh yes, now that you say it!

    Why am I not satisfied with McDonalds? Eat shit! If you have a problem with that, its YOUR fault! Why was I so demanding?? OMG!

    boy, you should get right over to the McDonalds website fourms and start a negative campaign.....

     

    oh wait...you don't?

     

    So why is it different with this MMO?  Ask yourself why you're so emotionally invested in its failure?

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