Look...this game is fun for a bit, but quicly you realize it falls short of being a true MMO. If I wanted to burn up my free time in an RPG I would be playing Skyrim. I just have unsub'ed and will be waiting for GW2 while I enjoy EQ2...so sad for Star Wars IP being wasted on this solo RPG
because its so frustrating there isn't a good sci-fi MMO out there i can enjoy.. was hoping this one would be it..
I feel you. There are sci-fi MMOs on the horizon. Firefall, Defiance, Wildstar (sorta) to name a few. Don't weep for Tor not being you go-to game. It's Star Wars, not sci-fi. I've been experiencing a strange ambivalence about the game. It's too fantasy-like to make me want to play but when I do play I lose myself in the story for 2 hours or so. I feel a bit dirty afterwards and have to play some borderlands to make the taste go away. I think it's growing on me. Literally.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
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Originally posted by sanosukex Originally posted by Dracill But... is not EVE a good pvp sci-fi MMO?
It is not Planetside?
It is not Star Trek? Perpetuum? Battle Star Galactica?
eve is a differn't type of game completely and I dont like the sit and wait skill system. Planetside is ok but has many issues but looking forward to planetside 2 though
star trek is horrible.. perpetuum is a rts game so didn't interest me and STO is better game that battle star since battle star isn't even a MMO Just out of curiosity, what MMOs are you actually playing and enjoying right now?
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
It is not Star Trek? Perpetuum? Battle Star Galactica?
eve is a differn't type of game completely and I dont like the sit and wait skill system.
Planetside is ok but has many issues but looking forward to planetside 2 though
star trek is horrible.. perpetuum is a rts game so didn't interest me and STO is better game that battle star since battle star isn't even a MMO
Just out of curiosity, what MMOs are you actually playing and enjoying right now?
none.. if I was I would be playing and not posting here... if you are curious the last MMO i enjoyed was Rift but after 6 months of that one it got stale just not enough new features to warrant anymore play
Originally posted by sanosukex Originally posted by DannyGlover
Originally posted by sanosukex
Originally posted by Dracill But... is not EVE a good pvp sci-fi MMO?
It is not Planetside?
It is not Star Trek? Perpetuum? Battle Star Galactica?
eve is a differn't type of game completely and I dont like the sit and wait skill system. Planetside is ok but has many issues but looking forward to planetside 2 though
star trek is horrible.. perpetuum is a rts game so didn't interest me and STO is better game that battle star since battle star isn't even a MMO
Just out of curiosity, what MMOs are you actually playing and enjoying right now?
none.. if I was I would be playing and not posting here... if you are curious the last MMO i enjoyed was Rift but after 6 months of that one it got stale just not enough new features to warrant anymore play Ah that actually explains quite a lot. Thank you for the reply!
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Are he and his hardcore PVP group not part of anyone?
yea very odd to me he favors swtor.. I played a lot with him in rift.. but his views on star wars pvp just don't make any sense to me.
Its not that odd. He explains in great detail why he like PVP in SWTOR. He has a good key binding guide for it too.
My main point to my comment is that I don't like over generalization. There are plently of PVPers playing TOR. Even the leets. Especially now that the ability delay has been resolved.
Are he and his hardcore PVP group not part of anyone?
yea very odd to me he favors swtor.. I played a lot with him in rift.. but his views on star wars pvp just don't make any sense to me.
Its not that odd. He explains in great detail why he like PVP in SWTOR. He has a good key binding guide for it too.
My main point to my comment is that I don't like over generalization. There are plently of PVPers playing TOR. Even the leets. Especially now that the ability delay has been resolved.
it is odd because a lot of what he complained about in rift pvp all of a sudden he likes in swtor pvp like how CC works in each game and several other things.. he was also a big advocate of making builds in Rift no one thought of and always said it was such a great part of rift and now he moves to a talent tree system with almost zero flexability.. guess whatever floats his boat:P
Look...this game is fun for a bit, but quicly you realize it falls short of being a true MMO. If I wanted to burn up my free time in an RPG I would be playing Skyrim. I just have unsub'ed and will be waiting for GW2 while I enjoy EQ2...so sad for Star Wars IP being wasted on this solo RPG
My point exactly, Skyrim is a perfect example of what many of todays modern MMOs should shoot for before thinking themselves as MMOs. I can see SWTOR being a great game as a 1-4 player game.
Look...this game is fun for a bit, but quicly you realize it falls short of being a true MMO. If I wanted to burn up my free time in an RPG I would be playing Skyrim. I just have unsub'ed and will be waiting for GW2 while I enjoy EQ2...so sad for Star Wars IP being wasted on this solo RPG
My point exactly, Skyrim is a perfect example of what many of todays modern MMOs should shoot for before thinking themselves as MMOs. I can see SWTOR being a great game as a 1-4 player game.
That is basically how I am playing it. My wife and three-five real life friends are playing it together and having an absolute blast. But I can totally see how it would be more difficult to make friends/contacts etc if you came into this game with a blank slate. It lacks a lot of MMO social aspects, at least lacks the need to use them. You could solo this game from beginning to end, minus FPs and OPs, but you would do yourself a disservice in doing so.
A coop skyrim, not MMO, but 2-4 players in a persistent, savable world would really be all I ever needed. It could replace MMOs for me completely at this point.
I agree entirely with the last poster. The game is good but I unsubbed because the community was pretty immature (no worse than other MMOs but still enough to ruin any type of immersion). If they has an adult only server or something, I might re-sub as I liked the story aspect. I found myself shutting off general chat most of the time as the stupid lightsaber to the knee jokes were annoying.
Here is where people always lose me. "The company made up the numbers." Yeah, OK. Don't get me wrong. I hate massive companies, but they are not allowed to just randomly say stuff like "we have 1.7 million active subscribers" and it not be true, without concrete evidence that they can show to share holders. If they even stretched the numbers a little, the sharks on Wall Street would eat them alive.
I have never seen anyone claiming the 1.7 million number is a lie. It has absolutely nothing to do with the number of paying subscribers though.
If someone asks you how many apples you have and you respond I have X number of apples and oranges, did you lie?
The same thing with EA, instead of stating how many paying subscribers they played the silly word game of counting every single person who bought the game and started playing an 'active subscriber'.
EA's stock is down some 20 percent since the launch of the game. Wallstreet is showing exactly what they think of the future revenue and profits this game will bring to the company.
From the time I played on my roommate's account this past week on a Heavy/Very Heavy server and the mostly empty worlds even during peak times makes me feel the game doesn't even have a million paying subscribers. And why EA wasn't will to come right out and state exactly how many paying subscribers they have.
It really doesn't matter how many people are "playing" vs "susbscribed." It's really not a figure that means anything to anybody. But, with the advent of WOW and their press releases, some gamers came in and decided to dissect every detail to find a weakness and paint positive news into negative press. Simply put, the "I don't care what their numbers say. Who is playing right this minute?" people are bringing up something that was never brought up prior to WOW, not because they are inherently more observant than others. No, they bring this up because they will go so far as to mention something irrelevant just to try to back their opinion.
Aside from that, EA changed its stock name on the Nasdaq on Dec 20th, making it a little harder to find. As discussed in another thread, the stocks went down, but now they are on an uphill trend again after the 1.7 million active subscriber press release.
So no, the whole decline that the OP is talking about does not exist.
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Look...this game is fun for a bit, but quicly you realize it falls short of being a true MMO. If I wanted to burn up my free time in an RPG I would be playing Skyrim. I just have unsub'ed and will be waiting for GW2 while I enjoy EQ2...so sad for Star Wars IP being wasted on this solo RPG
My point exactly, Skyrim is a perfect example of what many of todays modern MMOs should shoot for before thinking themselves as MMOs. I can see SWTOR being a great game as a 1-4 player game.
Due to the way leveling is in Skyrim and how mobs scale to whatever level you are in the game. Skyrim could NEVER be an MMO for that fact alone.
Also I don't really see how GW2 is going to be any better if what you want is a more opened experiance akin to that of Skyrim.
Look...this game is fun for a bit, but quicly you realize it falls short of being a true MMO. If I wanted to burn up my free time in an RPG I would be playing Skyrim. I just have unsub'ed and will be waiting for GW2 while I enjoy EQ2...so sad for Star Wars IP being wasted on this solo RPG
My point exactly, Skyrim is a perfect example of what many of todays modern MMOs should shoot for before thinking themselves as MMOs. I can see SWTOR being a great game as a 1-4 player game.
Due to the way leveling is in Skyrim and how mobs scale to whatever level you are in the game. Skyrim could NEVER be an MMO for that fact alone.
Also I don't really see how GW2 is going to be any better if what you want is a more opened experiance akin to that of Skyrim.
I agree with Snaylor47 , but I can not help but wish the mobs DID scale like some SPRG games I have played. It would definately make "going back" to the earlier worlds more fun.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
WoW has about a 30% retention rate of players. Which means if Bioware has around 600k or so players after the "mass exodus" all the trolls keep trying to make people believe is true then Bioware is still a huge success when you put it up against the other industry standard right now. They have already made their production cost back on box sales and it is honestly just patches and advertising money from here till xpac. Don't think you really have to worry about them caving.
well said 100% agree not had much fun since we lost precu swg . The game just needed bug fixing and some themepark stuff added for the players that like that stuff. And it would have been doing ok now in my opinion .
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The question persist there are good pvp games, there are good sandboxes. Why can SWTOR just be a good game for players like me?
I don't care if a lot of people play it or not.. I enjoy it and I'm playing it.
Why is so frustrating for player's in this forum that exist a mmo that I can enjoy?
because its so frustrating there isn't a good sci-fi MMO out there i can enjoy.. was hoping this one would be it..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
It is not Planetside?
It is not Star Trek? Perpetuum? Battle Star Galactica?
Look...this game is fun for a bit, but quicly you realize it falls short of being a true MMO. If I wanted to burn up my free time in an RPG I would be playing Skyrim. I just have unsub'ed and will be waiting for GW2 while I enjoy EQ2...so sad for Star Wars IP being wasted on this solo RPG
Don't worry, this game is designed to reach the lowest common denominator, not niche markets.
eve is a differn't type of game completely and I dont like the sit and wait skill system.
Planetside is ok but has many issues but looking forward to planetside 2 though
star trek is horrible.. perpetuum is a rts game so didn't interest me and STO is better game that battle star since battle star isn't even a MMO
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I feel you. There are sci-fi MMOs on the horizon. Firefall, Defiance, Wildstar (sorta) to name a few. Don't weep for Tor not being you go-to game. It's Star Wars, not sci-fi. I've been experiencing a strange ambivalence about the game. It's too fantasy-like to make me want to play but when I do play I lose myself in the story for 2 hours or so. I feel a bit dirty afterwards and have to play some borderlands to make the taste go away. I think it's growing on me. Literally.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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Planetside is ok but has many issues but looking forward to planetside 2 though
star trek is horrible.. perpetuum is a rts game so didn't interest me and STO is better game that battle star since battle star isn't even a MMO
Just out of curiosity, what MMOs are you actually playing and enjoying right now?
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
none.. if I was I would be playing and not posting here... if you are curious the last MMO i enjoyed was Rift but after 6 months of that one it got stale just not enough new features to warrant anymore play
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
IS that so.
http://www.twitch.tv/taugrim
Are he and his hardcore PVP group not part of anyone?
yea very odd to me he favors swtor.. I played a lot with him in rift.. but his views on star wars pvp just don't make any sense to me.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
eve is a differn't type of game completely and I dont like the sit and wait skill system.
Planetside is ok but has many issues but looking forward to planetside 2 though
star trek is horrible.. perpetuum is a rts game so didn't interest me and STO is better game that battle star since battle star isn't even a MMO
Just out of curiosity, what MMOs are you actually playing and enjoying right now?
none.. if I was I would be playing and not posting here... if you are curious the last MMO i enjoyed was Rift but after 6 months of that one it got stale just not enough new features to warrant anymore play
Ah that actually explains quite a lot. Thank you for the reply!
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Its not that odd. He explains in great detail why he like PVP in SWTOR. He has a good key binding guide for it too.
My main point to my comment is that I don't like over generalization. There are plently of PVPers playing TOR. Even the leets. Especially now that the ability delay has been resolved.
it is odd because a lot of what he complained about in rift pvp all of a sudden he likes in swtor pvp like how CC works in each game and several other things.. he was also a big advocate of making builds in Rift no one thought of and always said it was such a great part of rift and now he moves to a talent tree system with almost zero flexability.. guess whatever floats his boat:P
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
My point exactly, Skyrim is a perfect example of what many of todays modern MMOs should shoot for before thinking themselves as MMOs. I can see SWTOR being a great game as a 1-4 player game.
That is basically how I am playing it. My wife and three-five real life friends are playing it together and having an absolute blast. But I can totally see how it would be more difficult to make friends/contacts etc if you came into this game with a blank slate. It lacks a lot of MMO social aspects, at least lacks the need to use them. You could solo this game from beginning to end, minus FPs and OPs, but you would do yourself a disservice in doing so.
A coop skyrim, not MMO, but 2-4 players in a persistent, savable world would really be all I ever needed. It could replace MMOs for me completely at this point.
I agree entirely with the last poster. The game is good but I unsubbed because the community was pretty immature (no worse than other MMOs but still enough to ruin any type of immersion). If they has an adult only server or something, I might re-sub as I liked the story aspect. I found myself shutting off general chat most of the time as the stupid lightsaber to the knee jokes were annoying.
It really doesn't matter how many people are "playing" vs "susbscribed." It's really not a figure that means anything to anybody. But, with the advent of WOW and their press releases, some gamers came in and decided to dissect every detail to find a weakness and paint positive news into negative press. Simply put, the "I don't care what their numbers say. Who is playing right this minute?" people are bringing up something that was never brought up prior to WOW, not because they are inherently more observant than others. No, they bring this up because they will go so far as to mention something irrelevant just to try to back their opinion.
Aside from that, EA changed its stock name on the Nasdaq on Dec 20th, making it a little harder to find. As discussed in another thread, the stocks went down, but now they are on an uphill trend again after the 1.7 million active subscriber press release.
So no, the whole decline that the OP is talking about does not exist.
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Due to the way leveling is in Skyrim and how mobs scale to whatever level you are in the game. Skyrim could NEVER be an MMO for that fact alone.
Also I don't really see how GW2 is going to be any better if what you want is a more opened experiance akin to that of Skyrim.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I agree with Snaylor47 , but I can not help but wish the mobs DID scale like some SPRG games I have played. It would definately make "going back" to the earlier worlds more fun.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
WoW has about a 30% retention rate of players. Which means if Bioware has around 600k or so players after the "mass exodus" all the trolls keep trying to make people believe is true then Bioware is still a huge success when you put it up against the other industry standard right now. They have already made their production cost back on box sales and it is honestly just patches and advertising money from here till xpac. Don't think you really have to worry about them caving.
All PVPers will be heading to Planetside 2 anyway.
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well said 100% agree not had much fun since we lost precu swg . The game just needed bug fixing and some themepark stuff added for the players that like that stuff. And it would have been doing ok now in my opinion .
They have a rediculous amount of money tied up on the investment of this game, it wont be going anywhere.
but It wont ever be the top mmo that people were expecting. Bioware just dont have the experience.