Blizzard has paper work to back its claims cause like I said the fricken creators hit yes to the EULA that says by hitting yes you agree that this mod is in assocation with WC3/Blizzard.
First of all, according to how games and intellectual property work, Blizzard effectively did "create" DotA.
It was created using Blizzard's map editor and cannot function without Warcraft 3. Anything created with Blizzard's tools and for Blizzard products is effectively owned by Blizzard.
If you actually read through the legal filing, it has a great deal of sound logic behind it.
Blizzard explains that DotA has been synonymous with Warcraft 3, and Blizzard, since creation. Due to this, Valve's usage of the word is actually using Blizzard's goodwill as its own, which is completely wrong.
So if I create an app for the iPhone, Apple suddenly owns it?
Yeah, but nope.
The modding tool jargain refers to if someone creates a mod using said tools and engine, and tries to then sell said mod, and specifically said mod, without Blizzard's permission. In otherwords, it only applies to copyright over the mod so far as that it makes use of Blizzard's assets, but it does not impact ownership of the trademark.
The trademark falls outside of Blizzard's claim, and ownership falls with those who originally created the mod. seeing as IceFrog now works for Valve, Valve has a much stronger claim to the trademark than Blizzard, who has been enjoying exploitive profit of said trademark over the years -- why do you think Blizzard hasn't tried to trademark it, because they don't have any claims to ownership.
As it is, Blizzard's use of DotA creates consumer confusion against DotA2.
This.
This what?
So if I create an app for the iPhone, Apple suddenly owns it?
Yeah, but nope.
If you create an app for IPhone with the Apple tehnologie, softwares, etc, then yes! They owns it! It's like you are under the contract with Apple , and you created "this" software for Apple with all the Apple tehnologie and such! Then you quit , and want to get the rights to the software you created under Apple contract, terms, etc.
Anyway, I don't really undestand the people who gives Valve "credits" for trying to register DOTA name. DOTA mod was created with Blizzard softwares for a Blizzard game. Now , even if the guy is working with Valve on a new DOTA game, he still does not have the right to use that name. He created the mod for the community of W3 under the blizzard terms.
Also, there were some comments where they said that is "imposible" to associate DOTA with Blizzard Warcraft game. Are you blind? What's the common word in today MMO's? *WoW Clone* right? And they don't even named their games like World of *.* ( except a few ) . If they release the game under DOTA 2 , I bet that 50% of the gamers will associate game with Blizzard Warcraft!
Blizzard is right , nobody should own the rights for DOTA name. It should be a free *name*. At the end, if Valve will win , then they can easly sue Blizzard for using DOTA mod for Warcraft 3 right? Because the mod is using DOTA name? But I am not sure about this one, so ... please feel free to corect me.
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Also Value pigging backing on WC3 art style is not going to help their case..... You can't carbon clone the Banishe from WC3 and expect it too go unnoticed.
Are you saying they can't have banshees, ghouls, elves, orcs etc in DOTA 2? Actually go back to your other post where you say they are not suing over trademark. I don't think you even know what trademark is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
Yes blizzard owns the intellectual property in warcraft 3. Thrall the Orc Warchief, Sylvanis Windrunner, etc.
Why didn't Blizzard trademark DOTA before this? Heck IceFrog has been doing DOTA since 2005 got hired by Valve 2 years ago and now when they want to trademark it Blizzard gets involved....
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Also Value pigging backing on WC3 art style is not going to help their case..... You can't carbon clone the Banishe from WC3 and expect it too go unnoticed.
Are you saying they can't have banshees, ghouls, elves, orcs etc in DOTA 2? Actually go back to your other post where you say they are not suing over trademark. I don't think you even know what trademark is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
Yes blizzard owns the intellectual property in warcraft 3. Thrall the Orc Warchief, Sylvanis Windrunner, etc.
Why didn't Blizzard trademark DOTA before this? Heck IceFrog has been doing DOTA since 2005 got hired by Valve 2 years ago and now when they want to trademark it Blizzard gets involved....
Dude on their home page they used the phrase "You brought me back!??!?" so you are trying to tell me that was not trying to strike nostalgia from the orignal Dota where Blizzard used that very line? The fact that the first champions from this game are clones of DOTA 1, that Ulfsaar the Warrior is a rip off of volibear announced 2 or so weeks after volibear..... DOTA2 is trying too assoicate the 2 games so that it will be a big success if you can't see that then you are blind my good sir.
Pathetic Blizzard lashing out at Valve with a lawsuit that is just going to earn it more bad press (like a chinese centered panda expac wasnt bad enough).
Started playing DotA at its inception here (and before that The 3-corridors War3 Mod) and it was always a fan driven process. Even though it changed hands a few times, Blizzard dint have jack shit to do with DotA. Even the game creating bot scripts on BNet were player made.
If Blizzard really did give a rat's ass about DotA, they would have released a non-RTS platform that was engineered solely for DotA (or similar MOBA kind of maps) years ago. But all they did was push the book in WoW's direction and caused dev houses to develop their own MOBA styled game platfroms (HoN, LoL and other DotA clones) since the War3 engine doesnt have any great provisions for this kind of single hero based action gameplay. And now after all these years, they want to start claiming that DotA is their trademark?
I truly wish Blizzard pushes this bogus lawsuit with all their backbone and loses bigtime. They would end up giving DotA2 / Valve free publicity while earning more bad rep for having become a greed driven corporation which hungers for every nickel and dime.
Blizzard wants to prevent Valve from trademarking the name. Blizzard does not want to trademark the name for themselves.
Valve have zero right to claim the name as their own as they had ZERO involvement with DOTA. If it wasn't for Blizzard's WC3 there wouldn't be DOTA today. They used WC3 engine and WC3's editor. It also clearly states in the editor's terms of agreement that everything you create with it is owned by Blizzard. So yes Blizzard has every right to claim DOTA for themselves.
Wrong you are basically claiming that D2/WC3 was the only such style game out on the market that was ever popular or had ANY influence on the code that exists today to make games like DOTA and Drakensang possible. Completely baseless.
No, you are wrong. Blizzard are not tring to prevent anyone from making a DOTA style game. Valve are free to make their DOTA style game but trademarking the name DOTA is completely outrageous especially by a company which has no right over the name.
Ok lets agree Blizzard has no right to trademark the name DOTA but then neither does valve.
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Give the trademark to Icefrog for everything he has done for the game and the community. Only one who deserves the right to use it.
EDIT: And since the dev team from Valve is lead by Icefrog the name should be used by Valve. Blizzard had so many years to support dota and Icefrog in the past, being a mod of their own wc3. They never did. But now that they realize the money that could possibly be in the name and game they ofcourse want to stop that.
And Dota 2 is the only game that deserves to use that name because its an exact copy from the game. Blizzard Dota is gonna be very different. Anyone who has played the original dota for years and been apart of that community knows this.
Dude on their home page they used the phrase "You brought me back!??!?" so you are trying to tell me that was not trying to strike nostalgia from the orignal Dota where Blizzard used that very line? The fact that the first champions from this game are clones of DOTA 1, that Ulfsaar the Warrior is a rip off of volibear announced 2 or so weeks after volibear..... DOTA2 is trying too assoicate the 2 games so that it will be a big success if you can't see that then you are blind my good sir.
The same guy that worked on DOTA since 2005 is making DOTA 2. He probably saw League of Legends and went WTF am I doing this for free in my spare time when I could make a whole new game from the ground up with the same ideas...
DOTA is not something Blizzard came up with. It was a mod.
Next up Blizzard tries to trademark Tower Defence. Seriously come on.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Dude on their home page they used the phrase "You brought me back!??!?" so you are trying to tell me that was not trying to strike nostalgia from the orignal Dota where Blizzard used that very line? The fact that the first champions from this game are clones of DOTA 1, that Ulfsaar the Warrior is a rip off of volibear announced 2 or so weeks after volibear..... DOTA2 is trying too assoicate the 2 games so that it will be a big success if you can't see that then you are blind my good sir.
The same guy that worked on DOTA since 2005 is making DOTA 2. He probably saw League of Legends and went WTF am I doing this for free in my spare time when I could make a whole new game from the ground up with the same ideas...
DOTA is not something Blizzard came up with. It was a mod.
Next up Blizzard tries to trademark Tower Defence. Seriously come on.
Yeah League of Legends which was made by the 2nd person to make DOTA and founded DOTA All-Stars.....
Yeah, Blizzard... for having trillions of dollar, you have to sue Valve. You just cant get enough money in your throat. Pathetic from a modder point of view. The modding community brought up such a great idea like DoTA once, blizzard never cared. And now? Oh look, DoTA2 is getting incredibly famous AND it looks brilliant (speaking of optic, not gameplay - dont like it, but millions of fans + cbplayers cant complain).
So in fact with AoS coming before DOTA Blizzard indeed did come up with the concept for DOTA. i love it!!!!
The lawsuit isnt about who invented the genre, but who deserves to use the trademark. You never enjoyed dota obviously.
No I loved Dota and play LoL quite abit now. I'm just saying valve try to swoop in and steal a franchise that belonged to the community, and in all rights no one has the rights but if someone had more then the other it would be Blizzard not Valve.
That seems a bit odd, while dota was a mod it wasn´t really made by Blizzard.
They could possibly sue because the game more or less look like WC3 though but if you can sue for that we would see plenty of MMOs in trouble.
Meh, I never got this American idea hat you should sue people for as many things as possible (like spilling hot coffee in your own lap and crap), I hope Blizzard loses this one.
DOTA was a wonderfully made mod and the right to the name and mod specific things should be to Eul and Guinsoo.
.....DOTA was a mod. Meaning that the mechanics, graphics, animations, EVERYTHING was actually made by Blizzard. Blizzard put in the work to make Warcraft III, and therefore DOTA possible. All of the resources used to create DOTA were made by Blizzard, they have every right to sue Valve. Obviously, Loke666, this is all completely over your head. It doesn't seem like you understand copyrights or what sueing someone means... I wouldn't expect you to understand the 'American idea' of sueing someone to protect your creations...
If Valve TM DOTA2 then no future game to follow, fan made, mod or retail can use the DOTA name - at the moment no one would have issue If I made a DOTA mod in Skyrim and called it 'Skyrim DOTA' cus it's clear it just a DOTA variant. but if Valve have there way then they will set the legal team on me and force me to remove 'DOTA' from the name cus they own it.
Valve want to pretend they invented the DOTA genre by TM'ing the name and that's wrong... Blizzard want to ensure everyone can call there gamemod '[whatever] DOTA' - yeah Blizzard are the bad guys in this right?
Blizzards version of DOTA (which is under development) is called 'Blizzard DOTA' legaly valve could sue Blizzard if valve win this case, that is so many kinds of wrong.
Does no one thinks why Blizzard didn't want to register the DOTA name before? If they were "gridy" like some mentionated, they would have registered DOTA name a long time ago. They simple let the name alone for the community to use it freely. If Blizzard will win this case, I really hope they will then try to register the DOTA name under their "belt" , so companys like Valve who try to get famous with others work, should create something new and not do a simple copy/paste.
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That seems a bit odd, while dota was a mod it wasn´t really made by Blizzard.
They could possibly sue because the game more or less look like WC3 though but if you can sue for that we would see plenty of MMOs in trouble.
Meh, I never got this American idea hat you should sue people for as many things as possible (like spilling hot coffee in your own lap and crap), I hope Blizzard loses this one.
DOTA was a wonderfully made mod and the right to the name and mod specific things should be to Eul and Guinsoo.
.....DOTA was a mod. Meaning that the mechanics, graphics, animations, EVERYTHING was actually made by Blizzard. Blizzard put in the work to make Warcraft III, and therefore DOTA possible. All of the resources used to create DOTA were made by Blizzard, they have every right to sue Valve. Obviously, Loke666, this is all completely over your head. It doesn't seem like you understand copyrights or what sueing someone means... I wouldn't expect you to understand the 'American idea' of sueing someone to protect your creations...
Only Blizzard didn't create DOTA and it's trademark not copyright.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
So in fact with AoS coming before DOTA Blizzard indeed did come up with the concept for DOTA. i love it!!!!
The lawsuit isnt about who invented the genre, but who deserves to use the trademark. You never enjoyed dota obviously.
No I loved Dota and play LoL quite abit now. I'm just saying valve try to swoop in and steal a franchise that belonged to the community, and in all rights no one has the rights but if someone had more then the other it would be Blizzard not Valve.
If you knew anything about dota, dota 2 and its community you would know that it 100% supports dota 2 and the use of the name. Valve is not trying to steal anything. Dota 2 will be an exact copy of the original game (to much joy in the community) under leadership of Icefrog who took the game from almost nothing to having a 1 000 000 euro price pool last august (under the name of DOTA 2 but it's basicly dota with better graphics and less heroes). I dont see anyone else deserving to use the trademark except Icefrog himself. The lawsuit is ultimately about money, and it was him who made the trademark worth anyting at all.
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Why not name it D0tA? problem solved!
Blizzard has paper work to back its claims cause like I said the fricken creators hit yes to the EULA that says by hitting yes you agree that this mod is in assocation with WC3/Blizzard.
Completely agree.
This what?
So if I create an app for the iPhone, Apple suddenly owns it?
Yeah, but nope.
If you create an app for IPhone with the Apple tehnologie, softwares, etc, then yes! They owns it! It's like you are under the contract with Apple , and you created "this" software for Apple with all the Apple tehnologie and such! Then you quit , and want to get the rights to the software you created under Apple contract, terms, etc.
Anyway, I don't really undestand the people who gives Valve "credits" for trying to register DOTA name. DOTA mod was created with Blizzard softwares for a Blizzard game. Now , even if the guy is working with Valve on a new DOTA game, he still does not have the right to use that name. He created the mod for the community of W3 under the blizzard terms.
Also, there were some comments where they said that is "imposible" to associate DOTA with Blizzard Warcraft game. Are you blind? What's the common word in today MMO's? *WoW Clone* right? And they don't even named their games like World of *.* ( except a few ) . If they release the game under DOTA 2 , I bet that 50% of the gamers will associate game with Blizzard Warcraft!
Blizzard is right , nobody should own the rights for DOTA name. It should be a free *name*. At the end, if Valve will win , then they can easly sue Blizzard for using DOTA mod for Warcraft 3 right? Because the mod is using DOTA name? But I am not sure about this one, so ... please feel free to corect me.
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You can't even make links right.
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Are you saying they can't have banshees, ghouls, elves, orcs etc in DOTA 2? Actually go back to your other post where you say they are not suing over trademark. I don't think you even know what trademark is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
Yes blizzard owns the intellectual property in warcraft 3. Thrall the Orc Warchief, Sylvanis Windrunner, etc.
Why didn't Blizzard trademark DOTA before this? Heck IceFrog has been doing DOTA since 2005 got hired by Valve 2 years ago and now when they want to trademark it Blizzard gets involved....
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Then all Icefrog has to do is rename DotA to something else.
It's ridiculous how they cease to state the fact that Icefrog is the one who is consenting to use the game GIVEN TO HIM by previous creators.
This is simply Blizzard trying to secure Starcraft 2 sales since you HAVE to buy it in order to play their ugly version of DotA.
Dude on their home page they used the phrase "You brought me back!??!?" so you are trying to tell me that was not trying to strike nostalgia from the orignal Dota where Blizzard used that very line? The fact that the first champions from this game are clones of DOTA 1, that Ulfsaar the Warrior is a rip off of volibear announced 2 or so weeks after volibear..... DOTA2 is trying too assoicate the 2 games so that it will be a big success if you can't see that then you are blind my good sir.
No, you are wrong. Blizzard are not tring to prevent anyone from making a DOTA style game. Valve are free to make their DOTA style game but trademarking the name DOTA is completely outrageous especially by a company which has no right over the name.
Ok lets agree Blizzard has no right to trademark the name DOTA but then neither does valve.
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Give the trademark to Icefrog for everything he has done for the game and the community. Only one who deserves the right to use it.
EDIT: And since the dev team from Valve is lead by Icefrog the name should be used by Valve. Blizzard had so many years to support dota and Icefrog in the past, being a mod of their own wc3. They never did. But now that they realize the money that could possibly be in the name and game they ofcourse want to stop that.
And Dota 2 is the only game that deserves to use that name because its an exact copy from the game. Blizzard Dota is gonna be very different. Anyone who has played the original dota for years and been apart of that community knows this.
The same guy that worked on DOTA since 2005 is making DOTA 2. He probably saw League of Legends and went WTF am I doing this for free in my spare time when I could make a whole new game from the ground up with the same ideas...
DOTA is not something Blizzard came up with. It was a mod.
Next up Blizzard tries to trademark Tower Defence. Seriously come on.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Yeah League of Legends which was made by the 2nd person to make DOTA and founded DOTA All-Stars.....
Also DOTA was baised off a SC1 map Aeon of Strife, pushing the tide of this lawsuit even more in Blizzards favor.
Really it was based off a SC2 map in 2003... just stop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dota
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But thanks for having such a big ego that you post my arguement in the forums =D
'based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for StarCraft.'
The irony in blizzard sueing someone. im pretty sure gamesworkshop(warhammer) could sue the pants off blizzard if they wanted to.
Yeah, Blizzard... for having trillions of dollar, you have to sue Valve. You just cant get enough money in your throat. Pathetic from a modder point of view. The modding community brought up such a great idea like DoTA once, blizzard never cared. And now? Oh look, DoTA2 is getting incredibly famous AND it looks brilliant (speaking of optic, not gameplay - dont like it, but millions of fans + cbplayers cant complain).
Gtfo Blizz, srsly!
So in fact with AoS coming before DOTA Blizzard indeed did come up with the concept for DOTA. i love it!!!!
The lawsuit isnt about who invented the genre, but who deserves to use the trademark. You never enjoyed dota obviously.
No I loved Dota and play LoL quite abit now. I'm just saying valve try to swoop in and steal a franchise that belonged to the community, and in all rights no one has the rights but if someone had more then the other it would be Blizzard not Valve.
.....DOTA was a mod. Meaning that the mechanics, graphics, animations, EVERYTHING was actually made by Blizzard. Blizzard put in the work to make Warcraft III, and therefore DOTA possible. All of the resources used to create DOTA were made by Blizzard, they have every right to sue Valve. Obviously, Loke666, this is all completely over your head. It doesn't seem like you understand copyrights or what sueing someone means... I wouldn't expect you to understand the 'American idea' of sueing someone to protect your creations...
If Valve TM DOTA2 then no future game to follow, fan made, mod or retail can use the DOTA name - at the moment no one would have issue If I made a DOTA mod in Skyrim and called it 'Skyrim DOTA' cus it's clear it just a DOTA variant. but if Valve have there way then they will set the legal team on me and force me to remove 'DOTA' from the name cus they own it.
Valve want to pretend they invented the DOTA genre by TM'ing the name and that's wrong... Blizzard want to ensure everyone can call there gamemod '[whatever] DOTA' - yeah Blizzard are the bad guys in this right?
Blizzards version of DOTA (which is under development) is called 'Blizzard DOTA' legaly valve could sue Blizzard if valve win this case, that is so many kinds of wrong.
Does no one thinks why Blizzard didn't want to register the DOTA name before? If they were "gridy" like some mentionated, they would have registered DOTA name a long time ago. They simple let the name alone for the community to use it freely. If Blizzard will win this case, I really hope they will then try to register the DOTA name under their "belt" , so companys like Valve who try to get famous with others work, should create something new and not do a simple copy/paste.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Scumbags.
Only Blizzard didn't create DOTA and it's trademark not copyright.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/If you knew anything about dota, dota 2 and its community you would know that it 100% supports dota 2 and the use of the name. Valve is not trying to steal anything. Dota 2 will be an exact copy of the original game (to much joy in the community) under leadership of Icefrog who took the game from almost nothing to having a 1 000 000 euro price pool last august (under the name of DOTA 2 but it's basicly dota with better graphics and less heroes). I dont see anyone else deserving to use the trademark except Icefrog himself. The lawsuit is ultimately about money, and it was him who made the trademark worth anyting at all.