Is it true that GW2 have no player2player direct trade system in place?

Don86

I've heard that you can't directly trade gold or items with another player just like GW1 but is there something like a mobile mail system in place of it?

Thanks in advance.

Vesavius

I actually hadn't heard about this... would be interested in how they approached it myself.

A 'mobile mail system' sounds aboslutely fine though from the brief description... really no different then clicking 'trade' on someone and actually sounds like it would streamline two systems into one, which would be a good thing in this case.

Cod_Eye

Thats strange, because I'm sure the team said in a question and answer session they are not looking at mobile system yet, but havnt ruled it out for future development.  As to being able to trade item, I havnt seen or read anything on the subject but would be suprised if people couldnt trade.

DJJazzy

If you look at some of the game videos and see some pigeons fly to and from your character? That is the mobile mail system.

About player to player trade, I've heard that it won't be in place. Not sure how I feel about that but we'll just have to wait and see how that one plays out.

Diovidius

It's true:

How has player to player trade been improved? @SnakesSnakes

Colin told us about the marketplace. In the marketplace the player has the ability to not only buy and sell items like a traditional auction house, but also place “Wanted” ads in there stating which item they’d like and for what price. In this system a seller can activate the ad and the transaction will automatically occur with both items being removed from the two players inventories.

Similarly, personal player to player trade can be done through the in-game mail system (see above question for details). Unfortunately, there is no face-to-face trade (ala GW1) in the game at launch.

Source: http://www.talktyria.net/2011/09/26/your-eurogamer-questions-answered/

I find it hard to grasp why.

There is the marketplace of course which sounds promising (inter-server, accessible outside of the game, putting up orders which are automatically dealt with etc): http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Marketplace

And there is the above mentioned mail system: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mail

 

 

jondifool

Originally posted by Diovidius

It's true:

 Unfortunately, there is no face-to-face trade (ala GW1) in the game at launch.

Source: http://www.talktyria.net/2011/09/26/your-eurogamer-questions-answered/

I find it hard to grasp why. 

 Basicly it means that all trading is going trough official channels- properly means more control with that everything going on is legit! and also introduce some moneyzinks. and less basis for scams

that could be why!

DarkPony

Originally posted by DJJazzy

If you look at some of the game videos and see some pigeons fly to and from your character? That is the mobile mail system.

Haha.

*imagines tying a battle axe to a pigeon's leg and tossing it up in the air*

"Fly to xxxLeggol45xxx and return with 50 gold, pigeon! Go with speed!"

Majinash

Originally posted by Diovidius

It's true:

How has player to player trade been improved? @SnakesSnakes

Colin told us about the marketplace. In the marketplace the player has the ability to not only buy and sell items like a traditional auction house, but also place “Wanted” ads in there stating which item they’d like and for what price. In this system a seller can activate the ad and the transaction will automatically occur with both items being removed from the two players inventories.

Similarly, personal player to player trade can be done through the in-game mail system (see above question for details). Unfortunately, there is no face-to-face trade (ala GW1) in the game at launch.

 

Thank GOD for this.  I don't know why more games don't let me put up buy orders.  Buy orders should have been in MMO-101 a decade ago.

 

This part confuses me, as the wording makes it sound like you can't face to face trade in GW1... in which case I have no idea how I've ever traded in that game.

Psym0n

I do think this will work. As it will lower the amount of goldsellers. It will be easier for ArenaNet to track these goldsellers and ban them if trading has to go by mail or this marketplace.

Warjin

Originally posted by Diovidius

It's true:

How has player to player trade been improved? @SnakesSnakes

Colin told us about the marketplace. In the marketplace the player has the ability to not only buy and sell items like a traditional auction house, but also place “Wanted” ads in there stating which item they’d like and for what price. In this system a seller can activate the ad and the transaction will automatically occur with both items being removed from the two players inventories.

Similarly, personal player to player trade can be done through the in-game mail system (see above question for details). Unfortunately, there is no face-to-face trade (ala GW1) in the game at launch.

Source: http://www.talktyria.net/2011/09/26/your-eurogamer-questions-answered/

I find it hard to grasp why.

There is the marketplace of course which sounds promising (inter-server, accessible outside of the game, putting up orders which are automatically dealt with etc): http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Marketplace

And there is the above mentioned mail system: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mail

 

 

Better to control gold farming & sellers, also helps track down suspicious trading, "example someone mailing 100k gold and 50 peices of mail in on day" that being said they will then know whos doing the account hacking.

 

 

Majinash

Originally posted by Warjin

Better to control gold farming & sellers, also helps track down suspicious trading, "example someone mailing 100k gold and 50 peices of mail in on day" that being said they will then know whos doing the account hacking.

 

 

This isn't the real world, they don't need a paper trail.

Pilnkplonk

As a 100% certified fanboi I don't like this.

It is obvious that the reason for this is that there is no friendly targetting in GW2 but COME ON!

This severely diminishes the immersion. Say I'm a crafter and I have some consumables along with me. How can I give them to my mates in a dungeon or in the field? It is completely unrealistic to boot and alienating to boot. This is REALLY bad imo.

While they did say "at launch" imo they should really rethink this and add direct trade at launch or there will be stink to high heaven about this. They could add trade through party window, or chat interface or... something! But no direct p-2-p trading out in the field is probably the only really bad thing I heard about GW2.

Warjin

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by Warjin

Better to control gold farming & sellers, also helps track down suspicious trading, "example someone mailing 100k gold and 50 peices of mail in on day" that being said they will then know whos doing the account hacking.

 

 

This isn't the real world, they don't need a paper trail.

Because this game will not have a monthly fee my guess is they don't want outsiders dipping into there cash flow, I know they will have MTA so if outsiders start selling and trading items/gold this might hurt there funds, by having a way to control what is being traded/sold they will have a better grip on who is dipping into there cash flow with illegal trading.

Just my guess on the suject at least.

Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by Majinash

Originally posted by Warjin

Better to control gold farming & sellers, also helps track down suspicious trading, "example someone mailing 100k gold and 50 peices of mail in on day" that being said they will then know whos doing the account hacking.

 

 

This isn't the real world, they don't need a paper trail.

Completely agree. This isn't the real world. The server can track direct trades exactly like mail ones. Newsflash: If you and your gf hide behind a mm shed to do some vr nasty, the server can still see what you're doing!

The reason for this is very simple - there is no friendly targetting and they won't bother with finding a novel way to initiate a trade.

Requiamer

Honestly since like a decade of mmo you can't even drop items on the floor and have other pick them up, what is the difference between a trade window and a mail window? There is none to me at least. Chat with the guy in front of you, send him the item by mail or by some trade interface is exactly the same. Now if you ask GW2 to have item on the floor and containers  people can share to trade steal or whatever kind of feature, then the OP request would make some sense. But trading interface and mail interface is exactly the same imo.

fiontar

From what I understand, you can drop an item on the ground for someone else to pick up, so trading with friends and group mates in a "secure" location won't be a problem. (Dropping in a crowd becomes a test of trust). You can also mail to others. You don't go to a mailbox to do this, you can send and receive mail from anywhere. (There may be a delay, not sure).

I think we will all survive.

Requiamer

Originally posted by fiontar

From what I understand, you can drop an item on the ground for someone else to pick up, so trading with friends and group mates in a "secure" location won't be a problem. (Dropping in a crowd becomes a test of trust). You can also mail to others. You don't go to a mailbox to do this, you can send and receive mail from anywhere. (There may be a delay, not sure).

I think we will all survive.

You can drop item on the floor? Are you sure? seam so cvery unlikely, no mmo are doing it but the most hardcore sandbox were people won't cry a river because they have their pixels stolen.

 

Ps well they still cry but nobody care

 

Master10K

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

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The reason for this is very simple - there is no friendly targetting and they won't bother with finding a novel way to initiate a trade.

Actually Pilnkplonk, there is allied targeting in the game. You can click on a player in the game and then click on their portrait, to then do something like invite them to a party (I've seen this happen). There just isn't any allied targeted "abilities". So if they wanted to add P2P trading, they could easily do that.

Djildjamesh

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

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The reason for this is very simple - there is no friendly targetting and they won't bother with finding a novel way to initiate a trade.

Actually Pilnkplonk, there is allied targeting in the game. You can click on a player in the game and then click on their portrait, to then do something like invite them to a party (I've seen this happen). There just isn't any allied targeted "abilities". So if they wanted to add P2P trading, they could easily do that.

im glad, plink you got me worried.    But i agree no face to face trading is odd ... to say the least. 

Now you mention right clicking portraits, Is there anything like inspecting btw? I am always a fan on inspecting even tho gear doesn't matter greatly in this game i still enjoy looking at other peoples gear.

fony

you can mail items from the very spot you stand, at any time. they get it instantly.

IPolygon

It's quite easy to filter scam and such through that kinda system.

Also, since you can recieve and send pms with stuff in it from anywhere in the world, it is quite similar to what you are used to.

I don't see a problem.

Master10K

Originally posted by Djildjamesh

Originally posted by Master10K

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

[...]

The reason for this is very simple - there is no friendly targetting and they won't bother with finding a novel way to initiate a trade.

Actually Pilnkplonk, there is allied targeting in the game. You can click on a player in the game and then click on their portrait, to then do something like invite them to a party (I've seen this happen). There just isn't any allied targeted "abilities". So if they wanted to add P2P trading, they could easily do that.

im glad, plink you got me worried.    But i agree no face to face trading is odd ... to say the least. 

Now you mention right clicking portraits, Is there anything like inspecting btw? I am always a fan on inspecting even tho gear doesn't matter greatly in this game i still enjoy looking at other peoples gear.

Inspecting I'm not sure. It's the kind of thing one would find out in the upcoming beta events.

Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by fiontar

From what I understand, you can drop an item on the ground for someone else to pick up, so trading with friends and group mates in a "secure" location won't be a problem. (Dropping in a crowd becomes a test of trust). You can also mail to others. You don't go to a mailbox to do this, you can send and receive mail from anywhere. (There may be a delay, not sure).

I think we will all survive.

If that is true, then I'm all for it!

I'd like a confirmation though... Not being able to exchange your items with other players outside of mail system would be a serious design flaw, imo.

Loke666

Originally posted by Diovidius

It's true:

How has player to player trade been improved? @SnakesSnakes

Colin told us about the marketplace. In the marketplace the player has the ability to not only buy and sell items like a traditional auction house, but also place “Wanted” ads in there stating which item they’d like and for what price. In this system a seller can activate the ad and the transaction will automatically occur with both items being removed from the two players inventories.

Similarly, personal player to player trade can be done through the in-game mail system (see above question for details). Unfortunately, there is no face-to-face trade (ala GW1) in the game at launch.

Source: http://www.talktyria.net/2011/09/26/your-eurogamer-questions-answered/

I find it hard to grasp why.

There is the marketplace of course which sounds promising (inter-server, accessible outside of the game, putting up orders which are automatically dealt with etc): http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Marketplace

And there is the above mentioned mail system: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mail

Personally I think it might be for the best. Morons have a habit of opening up a window trying to trade stuff with me in most games. Usually you can say no but it is another thing that wont click open when are busy doing something else.

It does on the other hand take away a little of that face to face time and possibly makes giving guildmates extra stuff a little more complicated so it have a down side as well.

Frankly is there more important things to worry about.

SanHor

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by fiontar

From what I understand, you can drop an item on the ground for someone else to pick up, so trading with friends and group mates in a "secure" location won't be a problem. (Dropping in a crowd becomes a test of trust). You can also mail to others. You don't go to a mailbox to do this, you can send and receive mail from anywhere. (There may be a delay, not sure).

I think we will all survive.

If that is true, then I'm all for it!

I'd like a confirmation though... Not being able to exchange your items with other players outside of mail system would be a serious design flaw, imo.

If this is true than I defently see no reason for not having a p2p trade system...

ammonite

Originally posted by DarkPony

 

 

GW2 'Ready when it's ready' is ok, but you remaining sigless is unacceptable.

Looking forward to the sig returning.