Originally posted by ianubisi Originally posted by Naos I Agree sites like IGE kill games.
Which game has been "killed" by "sites like IGE?"
That I have seen? L2 perhaps, the farmers sure killed my enjoyment of the game and I hear that DAOC has issues as (look out WoW) well and it caused quite a stink in E&B for some.... and In EVE atm there are micro users selling to these sites.
The more common crap like IGE/Ebay becomes the more players will leave a game, how do you fancy having to buy items with RL cash because you cannot get past oll the farmers camping ingame to get what you have already paid to play for or being unable to compete with another player who is willing to spend RL cash to get items ingame?
The whole attraction of a mmorpg for me is playing with other players not farmers and their bots eating resorces and unbalancing the playing field.
Originally posted by Naos Originally posted by ianubisi Originally posted by Naos I Agree sites like IGE kill games.
Which game has been "killed" by "sites like IGE?"
That I have seen? L2 perhaps, the farmers sure killed my enjoyment of the game and I hear that DAOC has issues as (look out WoW) well and it caused quite a stink in E&B for some.... and In EVE atm there are micro users selling to these sites.
The more common crap like IGE/Ebay becomes the more players will leave a game, how do you fancy having to buy items with RL cash because you cannot get past oll the farmers camping ingame to get what you have already paid to play for or being unable to compete with another player who is willing to spend RL cash to get items ingame?
The whole attraction of a mmorpg for me is playing with other players not farmers and their bots eating resorces and unbalancing the playing field.
So what you mean to say is: killed it for you, because clearly L2 is alive and doing very well.
Originally posted by Owyn I thought I'd lodge this here as a formal complaint against the IGE ads running on this site. IGE is a company that earns revenue through the dubiously legal buying and selling of property that does not belong to them; that is, virtual goods and money from online games. That the selling of things which you do not own constitutes fraud is unarguable. Providing a platform for this activity - and earning money from it - is probably criminal in its own right.
Beyond the legalities of the situation, IGE does immense harm to every game it operates in. By facilitating the easy real-world sale of ingame materials, it cheapens the playing experience of every gamer, whether they use the service or not. I'd like to ask the MMORPG staff to please consider seeking adverstisement elsewhere, and place principle before dollars on this issue. Give IGE the boot.
WOW DUDE!!! GET A LIFE JESUS CHRIST!!! YOU FRIGEN COMPLAIN ABOUT SHIT THAT DOESN'T EFFECT YOU!!!
Eh, I didn't like them at first, but I guess you have to just learn to accept them... they're not going to go away any time soon.
IGE and other sites like that are everywhere now... using Thottbot with cosmos? If you are then you are helping suport IGE, since they own Thottbot. Just have to learn to ignore it I guess..
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
This is my first post and I am very much against distroying game economies. I do not like the way IGE sells accounts, money and items for cash. It destroys a game that I may love very much. Yes it is a quick way for someone to advance and play with friends that have been playing forever. however you lose the knowledge they have gained if you are newbie to the type of character or the game itself. I have even considered doing this but have decided against it because of this very reason. I didn't think it would be right for me to jump into a game where 100's of others have worked months or years to get to. The biggest part I have a problem with the assembly line process that causes other players not to enjoy a game that they have paid for. Yes IGE has paid for the accounts just like everyone else but they are there to gain as much experience, rank and coin as they can as fast as they can and get rid of the account for as much as they can.. They are not concern about what it causes to a game or what it takes from other players and that is where I have the problem. You can post a hundred times telling us to quit whining about this and I will post a hundred times why I am not going to. If you are at a movie or game and someone keeps standing up in front of you or annoying you, you will ask them to stop,complain to someone or you will move. I am going to do the same thing. I am going to whine and post about it or leave the game, leaving the game is not what the game companies want you to do. I see one of two things happening here either game companys will reach an agreement with IGE and others or the game companys will do what happen to napster. They will take them court, win, shut them down and start them back up under their control. I do hope though that one day this issue can come to some sort of result that is good for everyone but we will see.
WoW's economy will not be "ruined" as some people like to say, by sites like IGE. WoW is not a grinding game compared to games like FFXI and such. If you guys haven't realized by now, it's the games with the most grind that are the games raking in all the money off of cash-trading. Games like Lineage2, FFXI, DAoC, etc.. are the ones getting people cash. Not games like WoW, where basically the only thing that's tradeable is Gold, and that really isn't even a hot commodity, but it does sell a little.
Agreed with regards to WOW being pretty safe from IGE and their ilk. WOW was designed pretty well from a "secure economy" perspective. Gold is not a really hot commodity; a lot of the best stuff binds when equipped anyway; items are a dime a dozen, so selling items won't get you far. Plus, WOW is actively working to catch and punish people who buy and sell items from their game - which is GREAT.
It's "almost every other game out there" that really has to worry. Selling ingame materials really DID hurt L2 quite a bit, and hurts other games to a degree as well.
Frankly, I think more game companies should step up to the plate and fight this. And that's the BEST answer. Obviously they don't think it's worth it, for whatever reason. But I think it's unpleasant and inappropriate to see ads for a company that actively contributes to messing up MMORPGs on an MMORPG news and info site.
----------------------------- Listen Asmodeeus, seven years ago, Ultima Online didn't even have those pathetic "quests" that you refer to or those "professions" of ninja, samurai, necromancer, and paladin. Nor did it have any of the neon crap, or bug mounts. It didn't even have any "combat moves." You turned on attack and jousted with simplistic swings. It was a better game then. if you can't guess why then just uninstall the thing and move along. - Crabby
i hear alot of people "just live with it" or "IGE, its not going away soon" <--that should be its new motto actually
And yes this is true....if you think like that! Of course its not going away if we all sit on our anal openings and spout off things like "it dosnt effect me". The fact is that if you play a mmog, it efects you. Weather its outragous over farming and bottom feeding in games and massive camping, or the actual people being rude and dismisive because every second person in game is just a farmer eating resorces, or power leveling chars to sell in a week, or the complete inflation/deflation/ mudflation of the economy to the point that you can race through levs without the slightest risk or challenge involved. It effects YOU. And it effects you directly as well as every other "non-profit" player!
Consider if you will playing a table-top game...be it DnD or any other game. The GM has set up a complex and exciting campaign for the next few weeks and has designed a whole new world for his players. There are 6 players, one being you and another being me. Now say i decided i was going to pay my friend the GM 5 rl bucks for, say, a great sword of flaming Ub3rNESS and some good armour. Now all the great and exciting content he had planned for the campaign is ruined cus i cut through all the foes and suck up all the content from the other players and gain a huge advantage over them, causing them not to be having any fun. Whats more though is that im not having any fun either cus theres nothing to challenge me in the world that GM built and i feel jacked of my 5 bucks.
Originally posted by Puoltry
Protest all you want.It isnt going to stop. It wont stop until one thing happens.The DEVELOPERS that advertise on this site need to stop it.Ultimately they are the enablers of this practice.Thats not gonna happen anytime soon.It used to be that massive ingame "money"exchanges were tracked and the people involved banned from the game itself. Not so anymore a cottage industry has sprung up from the popularity of online gaming.The more difficult it is for ANY gamer to acquire ingame cash the more likley they will be turning to IGE to get an edge.Just look at EvE online.A player can buy something like 1million isk for 20 real dollars.Lets say you have already been playing for 6 months as a soloist.At this point you have already invested over 100 dollars so whats 20 bucks more?Even better your playing a new game that you really REALLY want to play.But you dont have a lot of time to play hardcore hours.20 bucks extra to make the game more enjoyable is worth it.Ill tell ya right now if it wasnt so easy to get ingame money at higher levels in the game im playing id do it.I was considering it when my guild hit 1 year as a sort of bonus for my members. Heck man why wouldnt a player do this?Obviously there is a market for it. Whos to say IGE doesnt slide some cash to the devs on the side so the DONT get banned?Exploits be damned ill bet anything this goes on.Think about it the developers win 2 times.1st they get a paid account and then a percentage of profits from a company farming credits.If its a game with a small player base its even better. Sure i cant prove this is a standard practice but i dont see anyone disproving either.Sorry man but get used to it is part of the MMO economies now.
And in reply to this: The devs are stepping up now! Vanguard soh, (with company CEO Brad McQuaid, mastermind behind the original EQ) still pretty deep in development have made their stand on the subject very clear and are ready for a battle!
Theres an even better analogy in there than my DnD example
And yes Puoltry, in the interview you will find that it IS standard practice for IGE to give a cut of profits to devs! Which is just alarming.
So now is the time to take a stand! get the word out we need to shut down companies like IGE before their influence becomes so strong that you can only "play" MMOG like a bussines(if at all, cus this may just be the fall of mmogs if we let it). Because as it stands now, thats where we are heading.
Well dunadurium, if this is the direction we are heading in, then wouldn't the profits of a Game Company from these sales of ingame items for cash be so astronomical that you really wouldn't have to pay a monthly fee anymore? (or a much less fee at that) So in reality, it's not like the market will be so bad that you have to pay a monthly fee and then buy some goods, nah, the market will become so saturated at this rate that companies will have to take up a different policy towards this (or take in so much money from kickbacks that they need not worry about a $15 monthly fee). Just my opinion though.
First, the majority of gaming companies are no different from other companies. They are greedy, so most of them will accept to work on normal business terms. Wat other choice do they have? Either way, IGE is going to be sellinguying ingame money, so either the company agrees with it, or they dont (it isnt illegal now, but hopefully someday it will be, in which case IGE will still be able to buysell ingame money with the companies who signed with them).
But, MMOs are pretty short-lived compaired to many other company's products. If you watch IGE's prices during the life of a game, youll notice some things. When the game first comes out, there is a set price that IGE buyssells for. As months go on, youll see that IGE starts selling (and presumably buying) for less real life money, until eventually, the game has gone thru it's "peak".
So, this means that more ppl are SELLING to IGE than BUYING. That means a whole helluva lot of ppl are in the game, farming the best places, which means that less ppl who are there to actually PLAY the game can make money. Also, when IGE starts buying ingame money for less real life money, the sellers get pressured a lot, to get more ingame money, which means even MORE competition for the real gamer! Theres less money and items being traded between ppl who are actually playing, and inflation does reflect the times that IGE starts paying less.
In WoW, this wont happen. Gold is easy to obtain, as are equips. This is good. But on the other hand, you kind of loose the hardcore feel of the game. So either you have a hardcore game, where you have to constantly compete vs ppl who sell to IGE (or companies like it), or a softcore game where everything is easily obtainable and the reward just isnt the same.
Well, I *am* playing WoW right now. Its a breath of fresh air. But I dont like choosing between ingame currency sellers or a softcore game. Hopefully legal action will be taken by at least one MMO developerproducer, and hopefully many others will follow. I wonder whos gonna have enuff balls to do it first? Anyways, thats just hopeful thinking, we'll see ifwhen it happens!
If I bought money from IGE for Everquest. Does SoE track the amount of money given to any one person at a given time? Do they ban people that gain money this way or can they not tell if a person is doing this?
Thanks.
Figured I'd ask him all the same then starting a new thread.
You're probably not going to get caught for buying, and if it's a little bit, you certainly won't get caught. But if you are selling a lot, you might get caught. If they do decide to take action that is.
Originally posted by darkman Well dunadurium, if this is the direction we are heading in, then wouldn't the profits of a Game Company from these sales of ingame items for cash be so astronomical that you really wouldn't have to pay a monthly fee anymore? (or a much less fee at that) So in reality, it's not like the market will be so bad that you have to pay a monthly fee and then buy some goods, nah, the market will become so saturated at this rate that companies will have to take up a different policy towards this (or take in so much money from kickbacks that they need not worry about a $15 monthly fee). Just my opinion though.
Well Darkman... i see where your going in this post and i think that your thinking is valid but you need to take it further.
Now consider that if the secondary market does get so saturated, then there would be a hella fallot of farmers and money makers in the game, therefore "killing" a game for the normal gamer. so consequentially if you want to play such a mmog, you would have to compete with the thousands of "profiters" online and eventually you would drop the game cus its just not fun anymore for the real gamer, or you would start assimilating and competing with the farmers seeing as thats the only thing the game is good for now....RL trading and money making. Now considering this, the game for the average gamer would not be alll that fun. so developers may strt making games around these principals and in effect mmogs as we know them would slowly die.
this is just something that i think could happen but obviously the secondary market could kill the mmoging primary industry in other, similar ways, so this is just an example.
But haven't developers already started to change the "core" principals of an MMORPG? I mean, I hardly see any games now a days with Open PvP, the games are starting to cater a little more towards the casual gamer. So even if we didn't have the whole cash-trading issue to deal with, aren't MMORPGs taking a turn for the worse according to how you might see it?
The way I see it is the 2 sides are probably never going to agree with each other, so eventually we will see a split in the MMORPG category, the games that allow cash-trading, and the games that don't. Then they will cater that game towards how they might seem the best.
Originally posted by manday In WoW, this wont happen.
With a quick jump to http://www.ige.com/, hitting the SELL link, I got a quote of $44 for 200 gold.
You still want to pretend this isn't happening?
Sure its happening, but it CANNOT ruin the economy. Gold is just too easy to obtain, theres no real reason to buy it, theres not competition over 1 mob that drops some uber item that sells for 20 million gold, or anything stupid like that. If you want an item, or one similar to it (cuz there are a LOT of different rares and epics, and one is not absolutely better than the other), you get a group, and go to the instance, and get it your damn self. If youre too lazy for that, or dont have a good guild, you farm enuff gold until you can afford it. It wont take months. You wont be competing for a 24 hour spawn. Nothing like this.
Next time, try reading my mf'in post before trying to be a smartass. I was talking about IGE ruining game economies, and how WoW's economy will NOT be ruined by it. Nice try anyways.
Originally posted by manday Next time, try reading my mf'in post before trying to be a smartass. I was talking about IGE ruining game economies, and how WoW's economy will NOT be ruined by it. Nice try anyways.
I've read your posts and come to the conclusion that you are more clueless about the economic dynamics involved than I first thought.
Ok first post, just had to post on this topic. i hear alot of people "just live with it" or "IGE, its not going away soon" <--that should be its new motto actually And yes this is true....if you think like that! Of course its not going away if we all sit on our anal openings and spout off things like "it dosnt effect me". The fact is that if you play a mmog, it efects you. Weather its outragous over farming and bottom feeding in games and massive camping, or the actual people being rude and dismisive because every second person in game is just a farmer eating resorces, or power leveling chars to sell in a week, or the complete inflation/deflation/ mudflation of the economy to the point that you can race through levs without the slightest risk or challenge involved. It effects YOU. And it effects you directly as well as every other "non-profit" player! Consider if you will playing a table-top game...be it DnD or any other game. The GM has set up a complex and exciting campaign for the next few weeks and has designed a whole new world for his players. There are 6 players, one being you and another being me. Now say i decided i was going to pay my friend the GM 5 rl bucks for, say, a great sword of flaming Ub3rNESS and some good armour. Now all the great and exciting content he had planned for the campaign is ruined cus i cut through all the foes and suck up all the content from the other players and gain a huge advantage over them, causing them not to be having any fun. Whats more though is that im not having any fun either cus theres nothing to challenge me in the world that GM built and i feel jacked of my 5 bucks.
Originally posted by Puoltry
Protest all you want.It isnt going to stop. It wont stop until one thing happens.The DEVELOPERS that advertise on this site need to stop it.Ultimately they are the enablers of this practice.Thats not gonna happen anytime soon.It used to be that massive ingame "money"exchanges were tracked and the people involved banned from the game itself. Not so anymore a cottage industry has sprung up from the popularity of online gaming.The more difficult it is for ANY gamer to acquire ingame cash the more likley they will be turning to IGE to get an edge.Just look at EvE online.A player can buy something like 1million isk for 20 real dollars.Lets say you have already been playing for 6 months as a soloist.At this point you have already invested over 100 dollars so whats 20 bucks more?Even better your playing a new game that you really REALLY want to play.But you dont have a lot of time to play hardcore hours.20 bucks extra to make the game more enjoyable is worth it.Ill tell ya right now if it wasnt so easy to get ingame money at higher levels in the game im playing id do it.I was considering it when my guild hit 1 year as a sort of bonus for my members. Heck man why wouldnt a player do this?Obviously there is a market for it. Whos to say IGE doesnt slide some cash to the devs on the side so the DONT get banned?Exploits be damned ill bet anything this goes on.Think about it the developers win 2 times.1st they get a paid account and then a percentage of profits from a company farming credits.If its a game with a small player base its even better. Sure i cant prove this is a standard practice but i dont see anyone disproving either.Sorry man but get used to it is part of the MMO economies now.
And in reply to this: The devs are stepping up now! Vanguard soh, (with company CEO Brad McQuaid, mastermind behind the original EQ) still pretty deep in development have made their stand on the subject very clear and are ready for a battle!
Theres an even better analogy in there than my DnD example
And yes Puoltry, in the interview you will find that it IS standard practice for IGE to give a cut of profits to devs! Which is just alarming.
So now is the time to take a stand! get the word out we need to shut down companies like IGE before their influence becomes so strong that you can only "play" MMOG like a bussines(if at all, cus this may just be the fall of mmogs if we let it). Because as it stands now, thats where we are heading.
Dunadurium
Just curious, do you also want to shut down ebaying veteran players and guilds, or is it just IGE? It seems like people are only upset about IGE... I think we can suspect the $ value of ingame cash and items will increase if IGE is stopped, and others will earn more.
I've read your posts and come to the conclusion that you are more clueless about the economic dynamics involved than I first thought.
Yes, I must be totally oblivious to my favorite aspect of the games I play. Im a crafter. Im an opportunist. I can sit at an Auction House all day to play the market, instead of lvl. But I have no idea how ingame economies work. Gimme a flippin break.
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Which game has been "killed" by "sites like IGE?"
That I have seen? L2 perhaps, the farmers sure killed my enjoyment of the game and I hear that DAOC has issues as (look out WoW) well and it caused quite a stink in E&B for some.... and In EVE atm there are micro users selling to these sites.
The more common crap like IGE/Ebay becomes the more players will leave a game, how do you fancy having to buy items with RL cash because you cannot get past oll the farmers camping ingame to get what you have already paid to play for or being unable to compete with another player who is willing to spend RL cash to get items ingame?
The whole attraction of a mmorpg for me is playing with other players not farmers and their bots eating resorces and unbalancing the playing field.
Which game has been "killed" by "sites like IGE?"
That I have seen? L2 perhaps, the farmers sure killed my enjoyment of the game and I hear that DAOC has issues as (look out WoW) well and it caused quite a stink in E&B for some.... and In EVE atm there are micro users selling to these sites.
The more common crap like IGE/Ebay becomes the more players will leave a game, how do you fancy having to buy items with RL cash because you cannot get past oll the farmers camping ingame to get what you have already paid to play for or being unable to compete with another player who is willing to spend RL cash to get items ingame?
The whole attraction of a mmorpg for me is playing with other players not farmers and their bots eating resorces and unbalancing the playing field.
So what you mean to say is: killed it for you, because clearly L2 is alive and doing very well.
Eh, I didn't like them at first, but I guess you have to just learn to accept them... they're not going to go away any time soon.
IGE and other sites like that are everywhere now... using Thottbot with cosmos? If you are then you are helping suport IGE, since they own Thottbot. Just have to learn to ignore it I guess..
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-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
This is my first post and I am very much against distroying game economies. I do not like the way IGE sells accounts, money and items for cash. It destroys a game that I may love very much. Yes it is a quick way for someone to advance and play with friends that have been playing forever. however you lose the knowledge they have gained if you are newbie to the type of character or the game itself. I have even considered doing this but have decided against it because of this very reason. I didn't think it would be right for me to jump into a game where 100's of others have worked months or years to get to. The biggest part I have a problem with the assembly line process that causes other players not to enjoy a game that they have paid for. Yes IGE has paid for the accounts just like everyone else but they are there to gain as much experience, rank and coin as they can as fast as they can and get rid of the account for as much as they can.. They are not concern about what it causes to a game or what it takes from other players and that is where I have the problem. You can post a hundred times telling us to quit whining about this and I will post a hundred times why I am not going to. If you are at a movie or game and someone keeps standing up in front of you or annoying you, you will ask them to stop,complain to someone or you will move. I am going to do the same thing. I am going to whine and post about it or leave the game, leaving the game is not what the game companies want you to do. I see one of two things happening here either game companys will reach an agreement with IGE and others or the game companys will do what happen to napster. They will take them court, win, shut them down and start them back up under their control. I do hope though that one day this issue can come to some sort of result that is good for everyone but we will see.
Fighting fire with fire, I see?
WoW's economy will not be "ruined" as some people like to say, by sites like IGE. WoW is not a grinding game compared to games like FFXI and such. If you guys haven't realized by now, it's the games with the most grind that are the games raking in all the money off of cash-trading. Games like Lineage2, FFXI, DAoC, etc.. are the ones getting people cash. Not games like WoW, where basically the only thing that's tradeable is Gold, and that really isn't even a hot commodity, but it does sell a little.
Agreed with regards to WOW being pretty safe from IGE and their ilk. WOW was designed pretty well from a "secure economy" perspective. Gold is not a really hot commodity; a lot of the best stuff binds when equipped anyway; items are a dime a dozen, so selling items won't get you far. Plus, WOW is actively working to catch and punish people who buy and sell items from their game - which is GREAT.
It's "almost every other game out there" that really has to worry. Selling ingame materials really DID hurt L2 quite a bit, and hurts other games to a degree as well.
Frankly, I think more game companies should step up to the plate and fight this. And that's the BEST answer. Obviously they don't think it's worth it, for whatever reason. But I think it's unpleasant and inappropriate to see ads for a company that actively contributes to messing up MMORPGs on an MMORPG news and info site.
Owyn
Commander, Defenders of Order
http://www.defendersoforder.com
Yeah, like every other company.
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"I know I said this was my last post, but you my friend are a idiotic moron." -Shadow4482
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Listen Asmodeeus, seven years ago, Ultima Online didn't even have those pathetic "quests" that you refer to or those "professions" of ninja, samurai, necromancer, and paladin. Nor did it have any of the neon crap, or bug mounts. It didn't even have any "combat moves." You turned on attack and jousted with simplistic swings. It was a better game then. if you can't guess why then just uninstall the thing and move along. - Crabby
And in reply to this: The devs are stepping up now! Vanguard soh, (with company CEO Brad McQuaid, mastermind behind the original EQ) still pretty deep in development have made their stand on the subject very clear and are ready for a battle!
: http://www.okratas.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=59
Theres an even better analogy in there than my DnD example
And yes Puoltry, in the interview you will find that it IS standard practice for IGE to give a cut of profits to devs! Which is just alarming.
So now is the time to take a stand! get the word out we need to shut down companies like IGE before their influence becomes so strong that you can only "play" MMOG like a bussines(if at all, cus this may just be the fall of mmogs if we let it). Because as it stands now, thats where we are heading.
Dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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Well dunadurium, if this is the direction we are heading in, then wouldn't the profits of a Game Company from these sales of ingame items for cash be so astronomical that you really wouldn't have to pay a monthly fee anymore? (or a much less fee at that) So in reality, it's not like the market will be so bad that you have to pay a monthly fee and then buy some goods, nah, the market will become so saturated at this rate that companies will have to take up a different policy towards this (or take in so much money from kickbacks that they need not worry about a $15 monthly fee). Just my opinion though.
First, the majority of gaming companies are no different from other companies. They are greedy, so most of them will accept to work on normal business terms. Wat other choice do they have? Either way, IGE is going to be sellinguying ingame money, so either the company agrees with it, or they dont (it isnt illegal now, but hopefully someday it will be, in which case IGE will still be able to buysell ingame money with the companies who signed with them).
But, MMOs are pretty short-lived compaired to many other company's products. If you watch IGE's prices during the life of a game, youll notice some things. When the game first comes out, there is a set price that IGE buyssells for. As months go on, youll see that IGE starts selling (and presumably buying) for less real life money, until eventually, the game has gone thru it's "peak".
So, this means that more ppl are SELLING to IGE than BUYING. That means a whole helluva lot of ppl are in the game, farming the best places, which means that less ppl who are there to actually PLAY the game can make money. Also, when IGE starts buying ingame money for less real life money, the sellers get pressured a lot, to get more ingame money, which means even MORE competition for the real gamer! Theres less money and items being traded between ppl who are actually playing, and inflation does reflect the times that IGE starts paying less.
In WoW, this wont happen. Gold is easy to obtain, as are equips. This is good. But on the other hand, you kind of loose the hardcore feel of the game. So either you have a hardcore game, where you have to constantly compete vs ppl who sell to IGE (or companies like it), or a softcore game where everything is easily obtainable and the reward just isnt the same.
Well, I *am* playing WoW right now. Its a breath of fresh air. But I dont like choosing between ingame currency sellers or a softcore game. Hopefully legal action will be taken by at least one MMO developerproducer, and hopefully many others will follow. I wonder whos gonna have enuff balls to do it first? Anyways, thats just hopeful thinking, we'll see ifwhen it happens!
If I bought money from IGE for Everquest. Does SoE track the amount of money given to any one person at a given time? Do they ban people that gain money this way or can they not tell if a person is doing this?
Thanks.
Figured I'd ask him all the same then starting a new thread.
You're probably not going to get caught for buying, and if it's a little bit, you certainly won't get caught. But if you are selling a lot, you might get caught. If they do decide to take action that is.
With a quick jump to http://www.ige.com/, hitting the SELL link, I got a quote of $44 for 200 gold.
You still want to pretend this isn't happening?
Well Darkman... i see where your going in this post and i think that your thinking is valid but you need to take it further.
Now consider that if the secondary market does get so saturated, then there would be a hella fallot of farmers and money makers in the game, therefore "killing" a game for the normal gamer. so consequentially if you want to play such a mmog, you would have to compete with the thousands of "profiters" online and eventually you would drop the game cus its just not fun anymore for the real gamer, or you would start assimilating and competing with the farmers seeing as thats the only thing the game is good for now....RL trading and money making. Now considering this, the game for the average gamer would not be alll that fun. so developers may strt making games around these principals and in effect mmogs as we know them would slowly die.
this is just something that i think could happen but obviously the secondary market could kill the mmoging primary industry in other, similar ways, so this is just an example.
Dunadurium
"Silly rabbit, WoW's for kids"
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But haven't developers already started to change the "core" principals of an MMORPG? I mean, I hardly see any games now a days with Open PvP, the games are starting to cater a little more towards the casual gamer. So even if we didn't have the whole cash-trading issue to deal with, aren't MMORPGs taking a turn for the worse according to how you might see it?
The way I see it is the 2 sides are probably never going to agree with each other, so eventually we will see a split in the MMORPG category, the games that allow cash-trading, and the games that don't. Then they will cater that game towards how they might seem the best.
And in reply to this: The devs are stepping up now! Vanguard soh, (with company CEO Brad McQuaid, mastermind behind the original EQ) still pretty deep in development have made their stand on the subject very clear and are ready for a battle!
: http://www.okratas.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=59
Theres an even better analogy in there than my DnD example
And yes Puoltry, in the interview you will find that it IS standard practice for IGE to give a cut of profits to devs! Which is just alarming.
So now is the time to take a stand! get the word out we need to shut down companies like IGE before their influence becomes so strong that you can only "play" MMOG like a bussines(if at all, cus this may just be the fall of mmogs if we let it). Because as it stands now, thats where we are heading.
Dunadurium
Just curious, do you also want to shut down ebaying veteran players and guilds, or is it just IGE? It seems like people are only upset about IGE... I think we can suspect the $ value of ingame cash and items will increase if IGE is stopped, and others will earn more.
Ok, IGE is a ripoff, and most companies rip you off when you can just grind for money at higher levels.
Second this site needs money!
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