My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
I don't really expect to go F2P very quickly, they have been pretty awesome so far in handling the BETAs(En Masse in particular) but even frogster, they failed the sneak peak so ended up giving people almost two times as much time to play as a result for their mistakes.
Go look at the "awesome GM" thread in this section, these people at En Masse are amazing. As long as content continues to be made, which it seems to be coming at a decent pace and the plans for the future content look good as well, the game should survive just fine.
My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
clearly u didnt play the game but meh if u did u were jsut a beta player.....
the game BY FAR offers more than the combat..since u dont know anything about the game and i do since im almost reaching 58 in korea stop talking crap about tera unless u know anything
My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
I don't really expect to go F2P very quickly, they have been pretty awesome so far in handling the BETAs(En Masse in particular) but even frogster, they failed the sneak peak so ended up giving people almost two times as much time to play as a result for their mistakes.
Go look at the "awesome GM" thread in this section, these people at En Masse are amazing. As long as content continues to be made, which it seems to be coming at a decent pace and the plans for the future content look good as well, the game should survive just fine.
I saw that thread, I got quite a chuckle out of it actually. But the issue isn't just En Masse. I got to try a buddy's account, I didn't get to make my own character but I did play with his 32 sorc for a little while. I rather like the combat, but it's still a shallow game. I can admit that I like it despite that. I really enjoyed Dante's Inferno and Dragon Age 2, and I seem to be one of the few. But despite my enjoyment I can still understand a lot of the criticism of the game.
While I enjoyed killing thigns for a few hours, I didn't feel like I was actually doing anything new. I just don't see it standing up against other P2P games on the horizon. A few years ago the "same old, same old" gameplay was fine, but you're seeing increasing amounts of people either wanting something else, or content to stick with the same game they were already playing since they're part of a community there. It's harder to lure people from their home games than it ever was before.
As a F2P game though, it would probably blow everyone currently out way out of the water, and players in general are more lenient in their qualification of what makes a F2P game "good." I'd take TERA over games like Perfect World and Maple Story any day, and neither of those games would have been as successful if there was a sub involved.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
clearly u didnt play the game but meh if u did u were jsut a beta player.....
the game BY FAR offers more than the combat..since u dont know anything about the game and i do since im almost reaching 58 in korea stop talking crap about tera unless u know anything
I'd be more offended if you didn't say the same thing to everyone, almost word for word. It does't matter if you reached a high level in a game, what does that have to do with whether a game is good or not? There are people at level cap in Rappelz, and the game is a piece of crap. Remind me again, what's your point?
Also, you might want to "stop talking crap unless you know anything" about people you don't know anything about. Making assumptions about people supposedly making assumptions. You iz smart.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Originally posted by gaeanprayer Originally posted by Pivotelite
Originally posted by gaeanprayer
My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay. Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
I don't really expect to go F2P very quickly, they have been pretty awesome so far in handling the BETAs(En Masse in particular) but even frogster, they failed the sneak peak so ended up giving people almost two times as much time to play as a result for their mistakes. Go look at the "awesome GM" thread in this section, these people at En Masse are amazing. As long as content continues to be made, which it seems to be coming at a decent pace and the plans for the future content look good as well, the game should survive just fine. I saw that thread, I got quite a chuckle out of it actually. But the issue isn't just En Masse. I got to try a buddy's account, I didn't get to make my own character but I did play with his 32 sorc for a little while. I rather like the combat, but it's still a shallow game. I can admit that I like it despite that. I really enjoyed Dante's Inferno and Dragon Age 2, and I seem to be one of the few. But despite my enjoyment I can still understand a lot of the criticism of the game. While I enjoyed killing thigns for a few hours, I didn't feel like I was actually doing anything new. I just don't see it standing up against other P2P games on the horizon. A few years ago the "same old, same old" gameplay was fine, but you're seeing increasing amounts of people either wanting something else, or content to stick with the same game they were already playing since they're part of a community there. It's harder to lure people from their home games than it ever was before. As a F2P game though, it would probably blow everyone currently out way out of the water, and players in general are more lenient in their qualification of what makes a F2P game "good." I'd take TERA over games like Perfect World and Maple Story any day, and neither of those games would have been as successful if there was a sub involved.
Interesting that your so called friend got to lvl 32, isn't it ?
People are having the same "HoneyMoon" event all over again with TERA since they're only being given small "tastes" of the game with the CB events.
Most people that are coveting Tera as a good game have been playing it in Korea.
From an exhausted experience with MMO's I can tell you straight faced that TERA brings nothing new to the table EXCEPT for their combat system, and even THAT gets boring & repetitive after level 20.
Except the Server v Server, political system, GvG and deathmatch systems, BAMs. Bosses that are actually challenging.
Do NOT buy into the hype. TERA is EXACTLY like the WoW-Clone model we keep seeing reused over and over. Go to town A, get all the available quests from there, go kill X number of mobs or get X number of items. Once all quests are done in town A move to town B that is POINTED to by one of the last quests to be given in town A.
Questing is one style of gameplay you can do. You are not forced to quest in Tera, you can jump in a group and go grind BAM's. For people like me this appeals more then doing meaningless quests.
Rinse, Repeat, get max level in 2-4weeks, get bored. After 3months of eating ALL the content over & over you'll leave again for the next "Overly Hyped" product.
Can't tell you the longevity of the product, but with its political system, gvg, deathmatches, and interesting boss mechanics. I think if people look passed the style and can accept the combat system, it would last longer then other products on the market now.
Trust this from someone who has been there, seen it, done that, and continues to watch as the same crowed makes the SAME mistake over & over only to make forum posts such as: "I'm leaving, heres why...". Unfortunately, we already KNOW why you're leaving before opening your post in our browser. It just took you some time to see what most already saw, and avoided thereby saving them $105 ($60 box + 3 months sub).
Most people that end up leaving Tera, are the people that can't cut a difficult experience. There are those that just don't like the style of the game but that is everywhere.
Just like SWTOR, Rift, Aion, Alganon, Runes of Magic, Warhammer Online, etc. TERA brings NOTHING new, and continues to same old clone model.
You said this twice.
>For a reason
HOWEVER, if you're looking for just another "time waster" for a certain game you've had your eyes on (for me, it's Planetside II at the moment) & $105 isn't much for you to waste go right ahead & love TERA until it turns blue in the face !
I agree Tera will be a good game hopper for people really waiting out for something else. Its obviously not going to be the game for everyone.
Just please, STOP with the "TERA is AMAZING, and will win a duel with GW2 every time!" threads. I don't like GW2 any differently than I like TERA, and in fact I've got PLENTY of criticism for GW2 as well. However, this type of self-denial hype will only trick other people into biased hype.
No game is without its criticism. Planetside 2 is gonna be F2P and is under a terrible publisher.
>I agree SOE is a horrible publisher, however I've seen the developers they put on Planetside2 are literally trying to break SOE's bad rep, and do Planetside 2 justice. Talk about Biased :P?
Finally, remember that with ANY product (especially those you WANT to love) a healthy amount of criticism is a GOOD thing.
Unfortunately people do not know how to give criticism in healthy doses, even yourself. Your just trying to bait people with this post. Considering you have no further knowledge of the game past maybe lvl 10.
Thank you for reading,
-Faded
This is a very biased opinion you have. Research before spouting nonsense about a game you know nothing about.
You're not much better at NOT giving biased nonsense without doing research. I've researched a LOT about TERA, and nothing it has shown either in KOREA or the US CB's has shown any difference.
Also, you ARE forced to do questing for progression. Having the "freedom" of going off to kill random mobs for a TINY percentage of the XP you can get for doing quests is NOT "alternative methods of leveling". If you give people whom quest 20x more exp than people whom run around exploring & killing that IS forcing people to do quests. They literally punish you into questing for XP.
I tried both paths in CB1 for USA, when I dinged 7 just randomly killing monsters at a hardcore pace my friend dinged 15, and she was being lazy about her questing taking breaks to go make dinner, do laundry, etc.
hardcore killing random mobs isnt a path to level...
I saw that thread, I got quite a chuckle out of it actually. But the issue isn't just En Masse. I got to try a buddy's account, I didn't get to make my own character but I did play with his 32 sorc for a little while. I rather like the combat, but it's still a shallow game. I can admit that I like it despite that. I really enjoyed Dante's Inferno and Dragon Age 2, and I seem to be one of the few. But despite my enjoyment I can still understand a lot of the criticism of the game.
It's not that shallow, it's a pretty good system and it has more too it than just killing mobs. The glyph and crystal system is pretty awesome, politics are nice and give something to strive for, Guild vs Guild and monster invasions will be awesome too imo.
I'm guessing your bud was playing on Ktera if you were playing a 32? Also Sorc is a hit or miss class, people like it or hate the crap out of it i've noticed.
TERA is a good game, but at the end of the day, it still feels like an Asian grindfest. It is going to fill the ex-Lineage II player niche that was ever-so-nicely filled by Aion, so it'll have its place in the genre though. SW:TOR doesn't really have that luxury, and its only saving grace will be the large number of Star Wars fans that will never stop playing the game no matter how bad other people say it is.
But he's not wrong on the reasoning of why it failed in korea. Koreans prefer Aion over TERA because Aion has a worse grind while TERA doesn't have a grind. I, personally, do not enjoy grinding. I enjoy low drop rates [not to be confused with a grindy leveling process] and boss battles and pvp/shit talk/ruining an asshole's gameplay. And yes, I do expect a group of hardcore players to pvp/shit talk/ruin my gameplay right back.
People are having the same "HoneyMoon" event all over again with TERA since they're only being given small "tastes" of the game with the CB events.
From an exhausted experience with MMO's I can tell you straight faced that TERA brings nothing new to the table EXCEPT for their combat system, and even THAT gets boring & repetitive after level 20.
Do NOT buy into the hype. TERA is EXACTLY like the WoW-Clone model we keep seeing reused over and over. Go to town A, get all the available quests from there, go kill X number of mobs or get X number of items. Once all quests are done in town A move to town B that is POINTED to by one of the last quests to be given in town A.
Rinse, Repeat, get max level in 2-4weeks, get bored. After 3months of eating ALL the content over & over you'll leave again for the next "Overly Hyped" product.
Trust this from someone who has been there, seen it, done that, and continues to watch as the same crowed makes the SAME mistake over & over only to make forum posts such as: "I'm leaving, heres why...". Unfortunately, we already KNOW why you're leaving before opening your post in our browser. It just took you some time to see what most already saw, and avoided thereby saving them $105 ($60 box + 3 months sub).
Just like SWTOR, Rift, Aion, Alganon, Runes of Magic, Warhammer Online, etc. TERA brings NOTHING new, and continues to same old clone model.
HOWEVER, if you're looking for just another "time waster" for a certain game you've had your eyes on (for me, it's Planetside II at the moment) & $105 isn't much for you to waste go right ahead & love TERA until it turns blue in the face !
Just please, STOP with the "TERA is AMAZING, and will win a duel with GW2 every time!" threads. I don't like GW2 any differently than I like TERA, and in fact I've got PLENTY of criticism for GW2 as well. However, this type of self-denial hype will only trick other people into biased hype.
Finally, remember that with ANY product (especially those you WANT to love) a healthy amount of criticism is a GOOD thing.
Thank you for reading,
-Faded
3 Months? If you have been there and done that you would know that 0 MMORPG's have been in their prime right at release.
There are always tons of bugs to be worked out right from day 1. Even WoW.
Its not like every game comes stock with 10,000 hours of gameplay.
After 6 months to a year of release if the game still sucks nuts, then you need to get the F out of dodge.
Unless the game is just so god damn bad at the start that it makes you want to tear your eyes out like FFXIV or SWTOR.
If the developers do their job right, By the time a large portion of people are finished most the content they should be adding more.
Unfortunately the MMORPG industry has not been working like this... lol
(>^_^)> MMO Veteran <(^_^<) Currently Playing: Tera Online
TERA is a good game, but at the end of the day, it still feels like an Asian grindfest. It is going to fill the ex-Lineage II player niche that was ever-so-nicely filled by Aion, so it'll have its place in the genre though. SW:TOR doesn't really have that luxury, and its only saving grace will be the large number of Star Wars fans that will never stop playing the game no matter how bad other people say it is.
Yup, Star Wars fanboys have been making George Lucas beat that dead horse of a franchise for 35 years now and it seems like there is no end in sight to their stupidity. lol
(>^_^)> MMO Veteran <(^_^<) Currently Playing: Tera Online
Very good rav3n2, I actually couldn't put it better myself, and coming from a raving (and awesome) egotist that means something.
All I could say is try the game for yourself, pay £5 for the betas, some seem to instantly hate the combat system, others love it, and will get many months of play out of it, regardless of debates over flaws, endgame content etc.
I actually agree with you, but that doesn't mean anything is going to change and what I said it not right.
Yes, it is sad for those of us who remember MMOs that were something... more, something special.
I still have hope though that eventually MMOs will move back to where they should have been all along.
Hint - it's not EQ1 and it's not EvE.
I share your sentiment about MMOs going back to where they used to be, or at least becoming worlds again, and not just games.
However, your first statement confuses me a bit.
How could you actually agree with me, when everything I said is in direct disagreement with your statements? That makes no sense.
You say that those older games kept people playing longer only because there weren't as many options, yet you agree with me when I say it had nothing to do with that, because they had the option of not playing any of them at all?
You say that MMOs not maintaining a long-term playerbase is the failing of the subscription model, yet you agree with me that subscriptions have nothing to do with it, that it boils down to whether or not people find the game enjoyable enough to pay for?
On that note, does anyone else notice how, prior to F2P becoming popular here in the West, that when a subscription based MMO failed it was because the game itself wasn't good. Once F2P became popular, suddenly, it was a failing of subscriptions, and the game being bad had nothing to do with it; it gets a token mention, if anything. Though on occasion I will see someone commit an obvious nonsequitur by saying something like "the game failed because it was horribly made and brought nothing new to the genre. That's why the subscription model doesn't work". I guess to these people, somehow if the game wasn't subscription based, it would have been well-made. On second thought, perhaps that's a wonderful, if unintintentional, example of how easily standards are lowered when F2P is involved.
But I digress. On to the last bit.
For your last bit, BadSpock, you predict that subscriptions are going to be a thing of the past. That's a pretty definitive statement there. I don't see any wiggle room or gray area there. Yet, you agree when I say I don't think they're going away, as each approach has its place?
Originally posted by zevni78 Very good rav3n2, I actually couldn't put it better myself, and coming from a raving (and awesome) egotist that means something.
All I could say is try the game for yourself, pay £5 for the betas, some seem to instantly hate the combat system, others love it, and will get many months of play out of it, regardless of debates over flaws, endgame content etc.
Yeh, can't argue with the £5 pre-order cost. You get all the pre-order bonuses with it too, plus access to all betas. I was going to do it, but with Secret World around the corner, it didn't make sense to get involved.
Yeh, can't argue with the £5 pre-order cost. You get all the pre-order bonuses with it too, plus access to all betas. I was going to do it, but with Secret World around the corner, it didn't make sense to get involved.
To me it boils down to whether you've had enough of tab target combat, TSW has loads of interesting ideas, but if the combat doesnt grab me, I have to sadly decline, as it will be swtor all over again, a game i waited 4 yrs for, only to be so bored during combat that I had to quit after 5 days.
Would you buy a NEW TV if it was EXACTLY like the one you bought 4yrs ago? NO.
(I'm finally thinking of buying a new car and I've had my current car for 13 years. I would, without a moments thought, buy the EXACT same car now if I could. Just a nice new shiny version. I've loved my car for 13 years and would happily begin the journey again.)
I'm afraid I cannot abide posters, like the OP, that patronise in order to try and make their point. I'm enjoying TERA and I'm delighted that the developers are getting my cash. Maybe I won't play it more than a few months but I don't care. I loved Skyrim but I only played it for about 4 weeks after that I was done. Still, I had a great time with that too.
I have been playing video games more than 30 years and I buy games I think I'll like. I really don't care if anyone thinks TERA sucks and I'm somehow encouraging game companies to make crap games - get over yourself. Perhaps you, the disheartened gamer, has lost your own perspective as to what a game is, and what it offers players, in your hatred of consumerism.
My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
How about you go preditct the lottery instead and go live a happy rich life instead of making pointless comments -.-? Sorry but call a game shallow at lvl 32 when your only half way through and can't really even read anything is stupid -.- You obviously haven't done any of the hard mode dungeon or possibbly did a dungeon at all, or pvp in 5v5 or 10v10.
Originally posted by SuperXero89
TERA is a good game, but at the end of the day, it still feels like an Asian grindfest. It is going to fill the ex-Lineage II player niche that was ever-so-nicely filled by Aion, so it'll have its place in the genre though. SW:TOR doesn't really have that luxury, and its only saving grace will be the large number of Star Wars fans that will never stop playing the game no matter how bad other people say it is.
Other person who never bother to even spend 5 mins researching Tera but if you did you would know that Tera lvling speed is on par with every other western mmorpg. Its not a grind fest at all even in korea which is why korean prefer Aion because they love grindings. So to save us the trouble at pointing out how wrong you can spend 5mins on google before posting something.
Originally posted by mugengaia
OP just seems like a good ol hater, finding a loophole to make an excuse out of bashing an asian game with the label of same ol lame ol piece of garbage argument. Of course the loophole is bashing it as being another WoW cookie cutter.
As for me, I also haven't played Tera, but haven't heard all that horrible criticism about the game since some time. I have read that people were leaving K-Tera in big chunks, before BlueHole updated the next expansion after going into service. Since then K-Tera has been silent, but not dead, and definitely a niche game.
By watching the vids, the closest comparison I can make of this game, is that it seems very similar to Monster Hunter Frontier, albeit more MMO feel exists in Tera compared to MHF. MHF was lobby based, and Tera actually has a persistent world.
The reason I bring up Monster Hunter Frontier as a prime example is also due to the fact that MHF was a very niche oritented game. At one point, MHF was the most popular online game in Japan.
When the Korean version was released I paid for subscription and played it for 6months. The game was definitely not for everyone, and Monster Hunter Frontier was not noobie-friendly kind of game. The higher level Dragons and monsters you went after had harder difficulty, mainly in damage output. One certain hit would kill players instantly, or usually, even with the best crafted gear in game, 2-3 hits from the hardest monsters meant, death. This less user-friendly game mechanic really killed the game's appeal in general.
I would assume the same kind of appeal will affect Tera, although it seems the learning and difficulty curve, and the punishment and reward on Tera are much more lenient than Monster Hunter Frontier.
What I want to point out of all this is that almost noone ever criticized Monster Hunter Frontier as being a bad game. Besides the instance roaming with 3 other players for gathering crafting materials from dragons and monsters. There was pretty much nothing else to the game. It was a niche game that appealed to only few and eventually the servers shut down not even 2 years into service.
Tera might not be a bad game, but it may be the so called, "not my cup of tea." type of game. Either way, Tera will retain users that it appeals and this is no different for any other MMO.
A good comparison would be SWTOR at the moment. People know how flawed that game is. Alot of people who were testing since cbt and still playing up till this point are staying with it in hopes it will be better with the next update. But does that mean it's a good game? No, SWTOR is not a good game, but it retains users who are fans of the Star Wars IP.
In the end, everyone to each his/her own. Tera will be no exception. WoW just happened to be exposed with great advertising and released at a time when the MMO genre was becoming widespread.
And to the OP who's defending himself from the guy who points out how biased the you sound. Really dude? PlanetSide 2? You're clearly showing favoritism for a game that's not even out, all because the developers might not succumb to the SoE? Yeah right man, seeing SoE's past history, you sure are quick to dismiss the likelyhood of PlanetSide 2 becoming a complete trash with SoE backing it. Tell me how your analogy isn't biased and a constructive criticism. Because it isn't.
First person i seen to bring up monster hunter in comparison with Tera instead of dragon nest and vindictus which combat system is a bit different.
Originally posted by Kuro1n
Okay well it might be the same old same old in some aspects but I still enjoy this game a lot and I didnt tire by playing it both in KCBT, KOBT and EU"CBT" which is a somewhat good sign I'd say yet its not a perceft game but you cant deny it does the things it claims to do good actually good, graphics and combat.
What i been saying over and over and over again. Tera said they would have a new epic combat system, and guess what? They did and to boot they added in awesome graphic, owpvp, hard mode dungeon, and a new political system.
@BadSpock you can already drop 5 dollar to reorder get the beta key than cancel the pre-order. EME pretty much told you to do that to try out the game because you keep your beta access even if you cancel your pre-order.
@OP if you don't like Tera good for you, everyone has different taste but say because you don't like it so it won't do well and everyone else shouldn't try it is stupid. So far you prove you really haven't played much at all and if you even ever made it out of the starting island. Which makes more of the conclusion you make have absoulty no bases at all because you don't even know the game. Your like all those review keep bashing Tera after playingo nly lvl 1-22 and think they know exactly what end game will be like.
People are having the same "HoneyMoon" event all over again with TERA since they're only being given small "tastes" of the game with the CB events.
From an exhausted experience with MMO's I can tell you straight faced that TERA brings nothing new to the table EXCEPT for their combat system, and even THAT gets boring & repetitive after level 20.
Do NOT buy into the hype. TERA is EXACTLY like the WoW-Clone model we keep seeing reused over and over. Go to town A, get all the available quests from there, go kill X number of mobs or get X number of items. Once all quests are done in town A move to town B that is POINTED to by one of the last quests to be given in town A.
Rinse, Repeat, get max level in 2-4weeks, get bored. After 3months of eating ALL the content over & over you'll leave again for the next "Overly Hyped" product.
Trust this from someone who has been there, seen it, done that, and continues to watch as the same crowed makes the SAME mistake over & over only to make forum posts such as: "I'm leaving, heres why...". Unfortunately, we already KNOW why you're leaving before opening your post in our browser. It just took you some time to see what most already saw, and avoided thereby saving them $105 ($60 box + 3 months sub).
Just like SWTOR, Rift, Aion, Alganon, Runes of Magic, Warhammer Online, etc. TERA brings NOTHING new, and continues to same old clone model.
HOWEVER, if you're looking for just another "time waster" for a certain game you've had your eyes on (for me, it's Planetside II at the moment) & $105 isn't much for you to waste go right ahead & love TERA until it turns blue in the face !
Just please, STOP with the "TERA is AMAZING, and will win a duel with GW2 every time!" threads. I don't like GW2 any differently than I like TERA, and in fact I've got PLENTY of criticism for GW2 as well. However, this type of self-denial hype will only trick other people into biased hype.
Finally, remember that with ANY product (especially those you WANT to love) a healthy amount of criticism is a GOOD thing.
Thank you for reading,
-Faded
Dude as you are so know it all can you please point me in the direction of a game that Uses a NO Faction setup. I want to comunitcate with everyone on my server. More grindy Crafting, that takes some time to get maths, and that you can still use at endgame? also I would like to have NO loading screens betwen zones... I also want to PK and kill people I dislike or just for the fun of it... I want a game that I can just go out and hack monsters.. I can skipp all quests and actually makes levling faster by just grinding on them. Also one that you have to use your BRAIN to kill monsters in... (as you have a very long HP regen, being able to hack monsters and not need to rest, should seperat the good players from the bad). And I want collison dedection.. guild vs guild combat. I want to be the one that runs the game world not the developers. open world PvP
Name one a+ MMO title that wasent released 8+ years ago that have this
World of warcraft = NO Thanx. it has Factions, you get more xp for doing quests, monsters are boring in the world.. you spam 1,2,3,4 Tab target bullshit, it has no collison dedection..
SWTOR = NO Thanx. It has Factions, solo focus, Lame as Story that im not interested in spacebaring through. Tunnel questing, and a pointless crafting system.
AOC = NO thanx. This one is the only one that comes close, but it still has Tab target and loading screens on every zone, and on top of that channels. Crafting is still usless and PvP system looks to still be somewhat broken...
Champions online = NO thanx. Loading screens betwen zones, channels, broken pvp, Instanced to hell... meaningless crafting. Tunnel questing..
STAR TREK online =NO thanx .Factions, Loading screens betwen zones, Daily quests.. not much Endgame unless you like to RP.
I dont want to go on.. so please tell me What game do you think will suit me? TERA has almost everything I want, Guild vs guild, No dam FActions, Open world PvP, No loadscreens betwen zones, Fun Combat system. Highly skill dependent PvE functions, dont think for a second that its easy to kill BAMs solo. It has a decent crafting mechanic.... Outlaw system...Politial system etc..
But you know it all so please tell me about a game that has this. I also play EvE online (6 years running) but it came out back in 2003 and still has all the functions I want in an MMO. But it would be fun to play something New for a change. But as you look to know it all please tell me what game should I play? if not TERA if I want all these things???????
Would you buy a NEW TV if it was EXACTLY like the one you bought 4yrs ago? NO.
(I'm finally thinking of buying a new car and I've had my current car for 13 years. I would, without a moments thought, buy the EXACT same car now if I could. Just a nice new shiny version. I've loved my car for 13 years and would happily begin the journey again.)
I'm afraid I cannot abide posters, like the OP, that patronise in order to try and make their point. I'm enjoying TERA and I'm delighted that the developers are getting my cash. Maybe I won't play it more than a few months but I don't care. I loved Skyrim but I only played it for about 4 weeks after that I was done. Still, I had a great time with that too.
I have been playing video games more than 30 years and I buy games I think I'll like. I really don't care if anyone thinks TERA sucks and I'm somehow encouraging game companies to make crap games - get over yourself. Perhaps you, the disheartened gamer, has lost your own perspective as to what a game is, and what it offers players, in your hatred of consumerism.
Good points. I look at this as a hobby. All I'm interested in is entertainment. If a game is entertaining, I have NO problem spending money on it. I really do not care if its P2P, B2P or F2P or some combination there of. I also have no problem with cash shops, as I WANT the Dev's to make money off of their hard work and investment. Then they are more likely to continue providing me the entertainment I'm looking for.
Some of the current generation of gamers have such an overblown sense of entitlement, that its ruining any chance of them enjoying just about any game that comes along. On top that that, many can't stand the thought that others might be enjoying games that they hate.
People are having the same "HoneyMoon" event all over again with TERA since they're only being given small "tastes" of the game with the CB events.
Which is also why I'm not so sure. Suspect you may be right, but until I've seen the higher level game, I don't know. Feels like it might get more interesting. I'll probably play it at least long enough to find out.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
People are having the same "HoneyMoon" event all over again with TERA since they're only being given small "tastes" of the game with the CB events.
Which is also why I'm not so sure. Suspect you may be right, but until I've seen the higher level game, I don't know. Feels like it might get more interesting. I'll probably play it at least long enough to find out.
That statment of his is really funny because he only had that small "tastes" as well and seem to obvioulsy assume that is deduction from that small taste is right compare to other people deduction from that small taste and not to say the people who been playing ktera for a year lol.
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My understanding is TERA is being published by Frogster with a payment model. My opinion is that it will sell a lot of boxes, then fall flat on its face and fail abysmally because the only thing interesting about it is the combat. Then, it will go F2P, where the free nature of it will draw in far more interest at least as a casual, now-and-then game, and will only then find success and become the new standard of F2P MMOs in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Anyone taking bets out how long the F2P conversion will take, yet? I give it a year.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
I don't really expect to go F2P very quickly, they have been pretty awesome so far in handling the BETAs(En Masse in particular) but even frogster, they failed the sneak peak so ended up giving people almost two times as much time to play as a result for their mistakes.
Go look at the "awesome GM" thread in this section, these people at En Masse are amazing. As long as content continues to be made, which it seems to be coming at a decent pace and the plans for the future content look good as well, the game should survive just fine.
clearly u didnt play the game but meh if u did u were jsut a beta player.....
the game BY FAR offers more than the combat..since u dont know anything about the game and i do since im almost reaching 58 in korea stop talking crap about tera unless u know anything
I saw that thread, I got quite a chuckle out of it actually. But the issue isn't just En Masse. I got to try a buddy's account, I didn't get to make my own character but I did play with his 32 sorc for a little while. I rather like the combat, but it's still a shallow game. I can admit that I like it despite that. I really enjoyed Dante's Inferno and Dragon Age 2, and I seem to be one of the few. But despite my enjoyment I can still understand a lot of the criticism of the game.
While I enjoyed killing thigns for a few hours, I didn't feel like I was actually doing anything new. I just don't see it standing up against other P2P games on the horizon. A few years ago the "same old, same old" gameplay was fine, but you're seeing increasing amounts of people either wanting something else, or content to stick with the same game they were already playing since they're part of a community there. It's harder to lure people from their home games than it ever was before.
As a F2P game though, it would probably blow everyone currently out way out of the water, and players in general are more lenient in their qualification of what makes a F2P game "good." I'd take TERA over games like Perfect World and Maple Story any day, and neither of those games would have been as successful if there was a sub involved.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
I'd be more offended if you didn't say the same thing to everyone, almost word for word. It does't matter if you reached a high level in a game, what does that have to do with whether a game is good or not? There are people at level cap in Rappelz, and the game is a piece of crap. Remind me again, what's your point?
Also, you might want to "stop talking crap unless you know anything" about people you don't know anything about. Making assumptions about people supposedly making assumptions. You iz smart.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Go look at the "awesome GM" thread in this section, these people at En Masse are amazing. As long as content continues to be made, which it seems to be coming at a decent pace and the plans for the future content look good as well, the game should survive just fine.
I saw that thread, I got quite a chuckle out of it actually. But the issue isn't just En Masse. I got to try a buddy's account, I didn't get to make my own character but I did play with his 32 sorc for a little while. I rather like the combat, but it's still a shallow game. I can admit that I like it despite that. I really enjoyed Dante's Inferno and Dragon Age 2, and I seem to be one of the few. But despite my enjoyment I can still understand a lot of the criticism of the game.
While I enjoyed killing thigns for a few hours, I didn't feel like I was actually doing anything new. I just don't see it standing up against other P2P games on the horizon. A few years ago the "same old, same old" gameplay was fine, but you're seeing increasing amounts of people either wanting something else, or content to stick with the same game they were already playing since they're part of a community there. It's harder to lure people from their home games than it ever was before.
As a F2P game though, it would probably blow everyone currently out way out of the water, and players in general are more lenient in their qualification of what makes a F2P game "good." I'd take TERA over games like Perfect World and Maple Story any day, and neither of those games would have been as successful if there was a sub involved.
Interesting that your so called friend got to lvl 32, isn't it ?
hardcore killing random mobs isnt a path to level...
It's not that shallow, it's a pretty good system and it has more too it than just killing mobs. The glyph and crystal system is pretty awesome, politics are nice and give something to strive for, Guild vs Guild and monster invasions will be awesome too imo.
I'm guessing your bud was playing on Ktera if you were playing a 32? Also Sorc is a hit or miss class, people like it or hate the crap out of it i've noticed.
TERA is a good game, but at the end of the day, it still feels like an Asian grindfest. It is going to fill the ex-Lineage II player niche that was ever-so-nicely filled by Aion, so it'll have its place in the genre though. SW:TOR doesn't really have that luxury, and its only saving grace will be the large number of Star Wars fans that will never stop playing the game no matter how bad other people say it is.
But he's not wrong on the reasoning of why it failed in korea. Koreans prefer Aion over TERA because Aion has a worse grind while TERA doesn't have a grind. I, personally, do not enjoy grinding. I enjoy low drop rates [not to be confused with a grindy leveling process] and boss battles and pvp/shit talk/ruining an asshole's gameplay. And yes, I do expect a group of hardcore players to pvp/shit talk/ruin my gameplay right back.
What kind of gameplay do you do on assholes??
3 Months? If you have been there and done that you would know that 0 MMORPG's have been in their prime right at release.
There are always tons of bugs to be worked out right from day 1. Even WoW.
Its not like every game comes stock with 10,000 hours of gameplay.
After 6 months to a year of release if the game still sucks nuts, then you need to get the F out of dodge.
Unless the game is just so god damn bad at the start that it makes you want to tear your eyes out like FFXIV or SWTOR.
If the developers do their job right, By the time a large portion of people are finished most the content they should be adding more.
Unfortunately the MMORPG industry has not been working like this... lol
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Yup, Star Wars fanboys have been making George Lucas beat that dead horse of a franchise for 35 years now and it seems like there is no end in sight to their stupidity. lol
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Ill just put this right here.
Very good rav3n2, I actually couldn't put it better myself, and coming from a raving (and awesome) egotist that means something.
All I could say is try the game for yourself, pay £5 for the betas, some seem to instantly hate the combat system, others love it, and will get many months of play out of it, regardless of debates over flaws, endgame content etc.
I share your sentiment about MMOs going back to where they used to be, or at least becoming worlds again, and not just games.
However, your first statement confuses me a bit.
How could you actually agree with me, when everything I said is in direct disagreement with your statements? That makes no sense.
You say that those older games kept people playing longer only because there weren't as many options, yet you agree with me when I say it had nothing to do with that, because they had the option of not playing any of them at all?
You say that MMOs not maintaining a long-term playerbase is the failing of the subscription model, yet you agree with me that subscriptions have nothing to do with it, that it boils down to whether or not people find the game enjoyable enough to pay for?
On that note, does anyone else notice how, prior to F2P becoming popular here in the West, that when a subscription based MMO failed it was because the game itself wasn't good. Once F2P became popular, suddenly, it was a failing of subscriptions, and the game being bad had nothing to do with it; it gets a token mention, if anything. Though on occasion I will see someone commit an obvious nonsequitur by saying something like "the game failed because it was horribly made and brought nothing new to the genre. That's why the subscription model doesn't work". I guess to these people, somehow if the game wasn't subscription based, it would have been well-made. On second thought, perhaps that's a wonderful, if unintintentional, example of how easily standards are lowered when F2P is involved.
But I digress. On to the last bit.
For your last bit, BadSpock, you predict that subscriptions are going to be a thing of the past. That's a pretty definitive statement there. I don't see any wiggle room or gray area there. Yet, you agree when I say I don't think they're going away, as each approach has its place?
You're kind of contradicting yourself here.
LOVE IT!! Once again a picture is worth a thousand words... ^^
Yeh, can't argue with the £5 pre-order cost. You get all the pre-order bonuses with it too, plus access to all betas. I was going to do it, but with Secret World around the corner, it didn't make sense to get involved.
To me it boils down to whether you've had enough of tab target combat, TSW has loads of interesting ideas, but if the combat doesnt grab me, I have to sadly decline, as it will be swtor all over again, a game i waited 4 yrs for, only to be so bored during combat that I had to quit after 5 days.
(I'm finally thinking of buying a new car and I've had my current car for 13 years. I would, without a moments thought, buy the EXACT same car now if I could. Just a nice new shiny version. I've loved my car for 13 years and would happily begin the journey again.)
I'm afraid I cannot abide posters, like the OP, that patronise in order to try and make their point. I'm enjoying TERA and I'm delighted that the developers are getting my cash. Maybe I won't play it more than a few months but I don't care. I loved Skyrim but I only played it for about 4 weeks after that I was done. Still, I had a great time with that too.
I have been playing video games more than 30 years and I buy games I think I'll like. I really don't care if anyone thinks TERA sucks and I'm somehow encouraging game companies to make crap games - get over yourself. Perhaps you, the disheartened gamer, has lost your own perspective as to what a game is, and what it offers players, in your hatred of consumerism.
3 months is already pretty damn good, by today's standards...
How about you go preditct the lottery instead and go live a happy rich life instead of making pointless comments -.-? Sorry but call a game shallow at lvl 32 when your only half way through and can't really even read anything is stupid -.- You obviously haven't done any of the hard mode dungeon or possibbly did a dungeon at all, or pvp in 5v5 or 10v10.
Other person who never bother to even spend 5 mins researching Tera but if you did you would know that Tera lvling speed is on par with every other western mmorpg. Its not a grind fest at all even in korea which is why korean prefer Aion because they love grindings. So to save us the trouble at pointing out how wrong you can spend 5mins on google before posting something.
First person i seen to bring up monster hunter in comparison with Tera instead of dragon nest and vindictus which combat system is a bit different.
What i been saying over and over and over again. Tera said they would have a new epic combat system, and guess what? They did and to boot they added in awesome graphic, owpvp, hard mode dungeon, and a new political system.
@BadSpock you can already drop 5 dollar to reorder get the beta key than cancel the pre-order. EME pretty much told you to do that to try out the game because you keep your beta access even if you cancel your pre-order.
@OP if you don't like Tera good for you, everyone has different taste but say because you don't like it so it won't do well and everyone else shouldn't try it is stupid. So far you prove you really haven't played much at all and if you even ever made it out of the starting island. Which makes more of the conclusion you make have absoulty no bases at all because you don't even know the game. Your like all those review keep bashing Tera after playingo nly lvl 1-22 and think they know exactly what end game will be like.
Dude as you are so know it all can you please point me in the direction of a game that Uses a NO Faction setup. I want to comunitcate with everyone on my server. More grindy Crafting, that takes some time to get maths, and that you can still use at endgame? also I would like to have NO loading screens betwen zones... I also want to PK and kill people I dislike or just for the fun of it... I want a game that I can just go out and hack monsters.. I can skipp all quests and actually makes levling faster by just grinding on them. Also one that you have to use your BRAIN to kill monsters in... (as you have a very long HP regen, being able to hack monsters and not need to rest, should seperat the good players from the bad). And I want collison dedection.. guild vs guild combat. I want to be the one that runs the game world not the developers. open world PvP
Name one a+ MMO title that wasent released 8+ years ago that have this
World of warcraft = NO Thanx. it has Factions, you get more xp for doing quests, monsters are boring in the world.. you spam 1,2,3,4 Tab target bullshit, it has no collison dedection..
SWTOR = NO Thanx. It has Factions, solo focus, Lame as Story that im not interested in spacebaring through. Tunnel questing, and a pointless crafting system.
AOC = NO thanx. This one is the only one that comes close, but it still has Tab target and loading screens on every zone, and on top of that channels. Crafting is still usless and PvP system looks to still be somewhat broken...
Warhammer online = Factions, loading screens betwen zones, boring BGs.. broken endgame mechanics, tab target and usless crafting.
Champions online = NO thanx. Loading screens betwen zones, channels, broken pvp, Instanced to hell... meaningless crafting. Tunnel questing..
STAR TREK online =NO thanx .Factions, Loading screens betwen zones, Daily quests.. not much Endgame unless you like to RP.
I dont want to go on.. so please tell me What game do you think will suit me? TERA has almost everything I want, Guild vs guild, No dam FActions, Open world PvP, No loadscreens betwen zones, Fun Combat system. Highly skill dependent PvE functions, dont think for a second that its easy to kill BAMs solo. It has a decent crafting mechanic.... Outlaw system...Politial system etc..
But you know it all so please tell me about a game that has this. I also play EvE online (6 years running) but it came out back in 2003 and still has all the functions I want in an MMO. But it would be fun to play something New for a change. But as you look to know it all please tell me what game should I play? if not TERA if I want all these things???????
Good points. I look at this as a hobby. All I'm interested in is entertainment. If a game is entertaining, I have NO problem spending money on it. I really do not care if its P2P, B2P or F2P or some combination there of. I also have no problem with cash shops, as I WANT the Dev's to make money off of their hard work and investment. Then they are more likely to continue providing me the entertainment I'm looking for.
Some of the current generation of gamers have such an overblown sense of entitlement, that its ruining any chance of them enjoying just about any game that comes along. On top that that, many can't stand the thought that others might be enjoying games that they hate.
Which is also why I'm not so sure. Suspect you may be right, but until I've seen the higher level game, I don't know. Feels like it might get more interesting. I'll probably play it at least long enough to find out.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
That statment of his is really funny because he only had that small "tastes" as well and seem to obvioulsy assume that is deduction from that small taste is right compare to other people deduction from that small taste and not to say the people who been playing ktera for a year lol.