And why? Because of the results you see: MMO players are all jaded, and nothing will ever satisfy them. There is absolutely no point in making MMOs for the "MMO community". It's a complete waste of time. Better to seek new pastures.
I'm a bit surprised. I don't know if you're joking or if you're serious, but this is the typical shill response from developers and producers when things don't go their way. I mean, it's not like it's their fault or anything! They just designed it, hired the talent necessary to create it, bankrolled the budget, created or invested in the infastructure to keep it running; how could it possibly be their fault that the audience is displeased with the products their releasing? It's the players!
Give me a fucking break.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
After giving SWTOR it's fair shot I'm left wondering, what in gods great gullet did they spend all of their money on? They had, what, a 200 million dollar budget?
The people who love this game are mostly solo centric players, this is probably the best game ever made for the solo player. Many who have issues with this game play MMO's for community and grouping this is just not a very good game for that.
Man, I have got some good news for you.
There are actually a lot of games out there for people who enjoy solo play and don't want to have a community or group with other players. They are called "single player games" and you should really look into them. If you liked the lack of community and grouping in SWTOR, then you will LOVE the lack of community and grouping in single player games!
I'd go as far as saying its the best game ever. Period.
So this is your first video game, huh?
So this is your first time ever dealing with sarcasm, huh?
It's kinda hard to read sarcasm THROUGH TEXT
MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB Best MMO Companies: Trion Worlds, ArenaNet, CCP Worst MMO Companies: Electronic Arts
After giving SWTOR it's fair shot I'm left wondering, what in gods great gullet did they spend all of their money on? They had, what, a 200 million dollar budget?
And why? Because of the results you see: MMO players are all jaded, and nothing will ever satisfy them. There is absolutely no point in making MMOs for the "MMO community". It's a complete waste of time. Better to seek new pastures.
Sorry but I always read that as
"Well us developers followed the Formula that gamers seemed to like 7 years ago, how come they dont like it now ? Oh Noes MMO players must be wrong, we the Developers couldnt possibly have fallen short or made a mistake".
If MMO players were that hard to satisfy then why is WoW still kicking on strong ? please explain. Where I think SWTOR has really missed the mark is they havent taken enough risks to provide something different enough to hook in say WoW or ex-WoW players.
Instead now we have 2 cars on the market that are basically the same. They are the same price, they offer practically the same ride quality. The only real difference is the WoW Car has a fantasy theme, while the SWTOR Car has a Star Wars theme, talks to you and tells you bedtime stories.
The SWTOR struggles for market Share because the WoW car has been out for 7 years already and a lot of people own them.....
And why? Because of the results you see: MMO players are all jaded, and nothing will ever satisfy them. There is absolutely no point in making MMOs for the "MMO community". It's a complete waste of time. Better to seek new pastures.
Sorry but I always read that as
"Well us developers followed the Formula that gamers seemed to like 7 years ago, how come they dont like it now ? Oh Noes MMO players must be wrong, we the Developers couldnt possibly have fallen short or made a mistake".
If MMO players were that hard to satisfy then why is WoW still kicking on strong ? please explain. Where I think SWTOR has really missed the mark is they havent taken enough risks to provide something different enough to hook in say WoW or ex-WoW players.
Instead now we have 2 cars on the market that are basically the same. They are the same price, they offer practically the same ride quality. The only real difference is the WoW Car has a fantasy theme, while the SWTOR Car has a Star Wars theme, talks to you and tells you bedtime stories.
The SWTOR struggles for market Share because the WoW car has been out for 7 years already and a lot of people own them.....
Naw it's more like they are trying to sell 2 cars with same basic performance and enomcoy at the same price. Just one has a spoiler, flashy sytling/paint, colored LEDs, and/or moon roof. Where as the other one isn't any fancy but has curse control, a radio, A/C, heated seats, and GPS.
Sure the first one looks good to start with, but since it doesn't really perform better the older car you end just missing the extra features you got for free.
At this point I would be happy with a better car(MMO) but I would be happy with a car(MMO) that looked different but had more then just looks and an engine(Combat and grind quests).
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Its the best.. pretty much all you need for a successful mmorpg... anygame.
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Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT Playing: Skyrim Following: The Repopulation I want a Virtual World, not just a Game. ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
I'm not sure exactly where every penny went but I'm a majority of it was used on drugs .... lots and lots of drugs because there is no way this game cost what they claim.
I'm not sure exactly where every penny went but I'm a majority of it was used on drugs .... lots and lots of drugs because there is no way this game cost what they claim.
I lawlmonstered. It's difficult for me to see, though they have some pretty extreme advertising. I think that's expensive, right?
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Too much of their budget went towards voice acting, storytelling and cinametics. Almost seems like they turned a blind eye on other areas like justifying the "mmo" part of the mmorpg.
imo, it's not a game made by gamers for gamers, just another money grap thats all, the starwars label could sell and there were indeed a huge amount of take-in, having 100+ servers, woot all those sheeps for the slaughter roflmao.....
EDIT: I just read the posting above mine and I had to smile about "a totally new multiplayer phenomenon in computer gaming" since I'd never group to do those quests because they are so damn easy that I solo them, often without compagnion, otherwise I'd fall of the chair asleep.
Your loss. Doing Heroics and FPs in groups and doing the grouped dialogues is lots of fun - especially in the more "story oriented" FPs like Esseles and Jedi Prisoner (and BW say there are lots more of that type to come).
eHug: I did a few group runs at the start and wonder why it's more fun for you if you read what others clicked when it makes everything so easy that there's no challenge at all, but if you do, I am happy for you. Tastes differ and I prefer to not sleepwalk through a game instead of having shared dialogues that all lead to the same results anyway.
You start to get a taste for the roll of the dice (will my response be chosen?) and it's fun to see the people you're playing with - i.e. how they've chosen to customize their characters - close up, speaking their lines.
eHug: I get that taste on every item drop, not sure why doing the same thing with parts of the dialogue is such a special thing. Until now when something funny happened I just told the ppl I played with and it had the same effect without making the game too easy.
You know how chatting and lol-ing about in-game stuff is one of the things you do in MMOs? Well grouped dialogues are another dimension of "thing" about which to chat, and lol - in both a postiive and negative sense - but the point is it's a legitimate multiplayer thing, and it's a totally new experience in MMOs, and in about 90% of the groups I've been in, people actually enjoy it a lot.
eHug: I do group just not anymore for quests that are so easy to complete that I can solo them without compagnion. I group up for pvp, where it's actually helping. PVP is one of the major weak points of the game though, just like all MMO related elements. SWTOR only shines with the single player parts - and that's why I play it.
Try it, you might be surprised at how moreish it becomes.
eHug: I tried it, I didn't like it and to tell the truth you are the first person that I heard of enjoying it after doing it after the first few times.
At any rate, it's a genuine innovation in MMOs, an experience you can only get in SWTOR, and of course it's an MMO innovation that could only exist because dialogues and cutscenes are BW's "speciality", so naturally they've brought it to the MMO genre.
So, while I agree that some of the "standard MMO" aspects, BW haven't really done anything original, here they truly have, and it's obvious that this is one of the things they've spent their money on, and it's well spent.
eHug: Yeah, it's a rather new feature and I am pretty sure they implemented it to make this single player oriented game a bit more group oriented - and since you like it, they succeeded for some players. Not for all though, as you can see from my case (;
And, the critics are understimating the power of it (and the power of the solo storyline dialogues). It's not something you can pooh-pooh as "just VO". It's the main "hook" for people who HAVEN'T BEEN INTERESTED IN MMOS UNTIL NOW.
eHug: Yeah, playing SWTOR is a bit like playing an interactive movie. You don't have any choices or freedom but you got nice cut scenes.I am just not sure why anybody would be wanting to be paying monthly fees for something that better be F2P "gw style".
And this is the point that's eluding the critics. Many more people have tried WoW than have subcribed. Why didn't they subscribe? That's the question BW have obviously asked themselves, and that's the market SWTOR is aimed at - gamers who don't normally like MMOs.
eHug: They kind of succeded bringing non MMO players into a mostly non MMO title, true.
And why? Because of the results you see: MMO players are all jaded, and nothing will ever satisfy them. There is absolutely no point in making MMOs for the "MMO community". It's a complete waste of time. Better to seek new pastures.
eHug: That's why SWTOR often feels like WoW in space with cutscenes, true. But I don't think generalizing the mmo community in the way you do it really helps your arguments. There's not much that the old school mmorpg croud that prefers choice and freedom in gaming can play right now, so what reaction do you expect when they get the 232th loveless themepark pseudo mmo into their hands and they are not SW nerds like me? :P
After giving SWTOR it's fair shot I'm left wondering, what in gods great gullet did they spend all of their money on? They had, what, a 200 million dollar budget?
I'm not a GW2 fanboy, but after comparing the two videos I'm beginning to wonder how much money BioWare spent [mod edit]
You link these 2 videos to prove that GW2 looks better visually? Are you serious? GW2 looks cartoony as hell. Look at the way your character runs.....it doesn't even look natural. And have you even played SWTOR? I'm playing a Sith Warrior at the moment. The storyline is amazing. The voiceover work is top notch. Overall, I love SWTOR and plan to play for as long as the game is fun to me.
Did Bioware piss me and a ton of other people off with their crappy patching system? Bigtime. But they seem to be fixing issues like that...and as long as things keep getting better, I'll keep playing.
I really don't understand all the SWTOR hate. I seriously doubt the OP has even played it. If he has played other MMOs and finds SWTOR subpar, then I am stunned. I have played WoW (since Day 1), SWG, CoV, CoH, EQ, EQ2, and DAOC.....and SWTOR makes them all look silly. It's a great game.
I feel the same way. The games that flamers on this site hold up as the gold standard were pieces of sh*t in my mind, so it's no wonder they don't like this game. Some of them griped about this game for many months before release yet still bought the thing, which makes me question whether or not they suffer from a gamer's version of battered wife's syndrome.
I do have to ask you about that last part. I'm having too much fun in TOR to give a rat's *ss about another game's development, so could you explain what you mean by the pedophilia nature of the GW2 devs?
I feel the same way. The games that flamers on this site hold up as the gold standard were pieces of sh*t in my mind, so it's no wonder they don't like this game. Some of them griped about this game for many months before release yet still bought the thing, which makes me question whether or not they suffer from a gamer's version of battered wife's syndrome.
I do have to ask you about that last part. I'm having too much fun in TOR to give a rat's *ss about another game's development, so could you explain what you mean by the pedophilia nature of the GW2 devs?
i was really confused by this too... I think hes confusing TERA for GW2?
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I'm a bit surprised. I don't know if you're joking or if you're serious, but this is the typical shill response from developers and producers when things don't go their way. I mean, it's not like it's their fault or anything! They just designed it, hired the talent necessary to create it, bankrolled the budget, created or invested in the infastructure to keep it running; how could it possibly be their fault that the audience is displeased with the products their releasing? It's the players!
Give me a fucking break.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Adverisments and PR Department. VO'ers arent really that expensive, unless you use a high profile actor.
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lol hahahahahah +1
It's kinda hard to read sarcasm THROUGH TEXT
MMOs played: WoW, Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars, Planetside, Global Agenda, Star Trek Online, RIFT, Everquest 2, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, EvE online, APB
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Between 40 -60% of game budgets from the big publishers generally end up spent on marketing & advertising.......
Sorry but I always read that as
"Well us developers followed the Formula that gamers seemed to like 7 years ago, how come they dont like it now ? Oh Noes MMO players must be wrong, we the Developers couldnt possibly have fallen short or made a mistake".
If MMO players were that hard to satisfy then why is WoW still kicking on strong ? please explain. Where I think SWTOR has really missed the mark is they havent taken enough risks to provide something different enough to hook in say WoW or ex-WoW players.
Instead now we have 2 cars on the market that are basically the same. They are the same price, they offer practically the same ride quality. The only real difference is the WoW Car has a fantasy theme, while the SWTOR Car has a Star Wars theme, talks to you and tells you bedtime stories.
The SWTOR struggles for market Share because the WoW car has been out for 7 years already and a lot of people own them.....
Naw it's more like they are trying to sell 2 cars with same basic performance and enomcoy at the same price. Just one has a spoiler, flashy sytling/paint, colored LEDs, and/or moon roof. Where as the other one isn't any fancy but has curse control, a radio, A/C, heated seats, and GPS.
Sure the first one looks good to start with, but since it doesn't really perform better the older car you end just missing the extra features you got for free.
At this point I would be happy with a better car(MMO) but I would be happy with a car(MMO) that looked different but had more then just looks and an engine(Combat and grind quests).
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
This game completely got away from Bioware...
VOICE ACTING.
Its the best.. pretty much all you need for a successful mmorpg... anygame.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Tried: EQ2 - AC - EU - HZ - TR - MxO - TTO - WURM - SL - VG:SoH - PotBS - PS - AoC - WAR - DDO - SWTOR
Played: UO - EQ1 - AO - DAoC - NC - CoH/CoV - SWG - WoW - EVE - AA - LotRO - DFO - STO - FE - MO - RIFT
Playing: Skyrim
Following: The Repopulation
I want a Virtual World, not just a Game.
ITS TOO HARD! - Matt Firor (ZeniMax)
I'm not sure exactly where every penny went but I'm a majority of it was used on drugs .... lots and lots of drugs because there is no way this game cost what they claim.
I lawlmonstered. It's difficult for me to see, though they have some pretty extreme advertising. I think that's expensive, right?
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
Shame they didn't spend 20% of it on making the game good.
they spent it on hookers and booze
Too much of their budget went towards voice acting, storytelling and cinametics. Almost seems like they turned a blind eye on other areas like justifying the "mmo" part of the mmorpg.
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
imo, it's not a game made by gamers for gamers, just another money grap thats all, the starwars label could sell and there were indeed a huge amount of take-in, having 100+ servers, woot all those sheeps for the slaughter roflmao.....
just my 2 cents
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You link these 2 videos to prove that GW2 looks better visually? Are you serious? GW2 looks cartoony as hell. Look at the way your character runs.....it doesn't even look natural. And have you even played SWTOR? I'm playing a Sith Warrior at the moment. The storyline is amazing. The voiceover work is top notch. Overall, I love SWTOR and plan to play for as long as the game is fun to me.
Did Bioware piss me and a ton of other people off with their crappy patching system? Bigtime. But they seem to be fixing issues like that...and as long as things keep getting better, I'll keep playing.
I really don't understand all the SWTOR hate. I seriously doubt the OP has even played it. If he has played other MMOs and finds SWTOR subpar, then I am stunned. I have played WoW (since Day 1), SWG, CoV, CoH, EQ, EQ2, and DAOC.....and SWTOR makes them all look silly. It's a great game.
And what a game it turned out to be! Right?
yep sounds like a single player game to me, yea it beats skyrim pants down gj bioware
What game are you talking about? Innovative crafting, player housing, etc surely is not SWTOR, so I am curious.
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i was really confused by this too... I think hes confusing TERA for GW2?
Maybe?
cus of the little girl race...