LOL... This thread is pure comic gold! About 60% of the replies in this thread are supporting the OP's argument by being the exact type of community the OP is complaining about. It's so good of all of you to prove his points for him!
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Bren
Er, you seem to have missed the irony of the OP being exactly like the community he was railing against.
Besides, this is MMORPG.com, where the hardcore come to do forum PVP. Carebears need not apply.
I didn't miss a thing... I just also find it very ironic that the community didn't disappoint with replies just like what he was complaining about. Oh... and not all forum PvP is of the "in your face" variety. You should know by now I'm a lot more subtle about it than that Kyleran.
Originally posted by loeslein Seriously, I'm tired of playing with trolls and 13 year olds, and groups of game snobs that want me to play a certain way.
I've spent so much time chasing mmoprg releases over the last decade that I've missed a whole slew of killer single player games... like, I'm talking about going all the way back to 2001.
I'm playing some Civ 4, some Hero's of Might and Magic 4, Total War, Oblivion, and even some MORROWIND with the MGE mod. Fucking amazing. This little mod just brings that whole game to life, I don't know how those kids did it.
I'M ACTUALLY ENJOYING GAMING AGAIN lol. Not all stressed out trying to find a group, getting called a noob every 2 minutes, or listening to how every little feature of a certain game is a "total failure".
The BS rhetoric surrounding MMORPG's is toxic. Fuck all of it.
Later's!
And ive been doing this sinds i started MMOs IN '99 HEHE.
But you finally found solo game enjoy:)
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
My first few years in MMO's were definately not a waste (1997-2005ish) made lots of lasting friends that i still communicate with this day.
The last 6-7 years though have been filled with much dissappointment trying new games and hoping that they don't dumb themselves down (i'm looking at you Rift who promised you weren't gonna be Azeroth but ended up being just as casual if not more casual than WoW).
The last great game i played was Vanguard. It had so much potential and i loved it but SOE just abused the playerbase with promises that i sometimes think they must have known they weren't going to keep. I played it even as the population dwindled because they decided to throw the pvp server to the wolves by stating "We aren't touching pvp till we fix pve" (which we all know pve will never be fixed completely)
Ironically like the OP, ive been catching up on a great many of the single player games that i missed out upon in the last 5-6 years too (finished the Metroid Prime Trilogy, a few zelda's etc). But in the end i still miss the communities that existed in the past MMOs before the genre was highjacked destroyed by trying to please everyone..
My first few years in MMO's were definately not a waste (1997-2005ish) made lots of lasting friends that i still communicate with this day.
The last 6-7 years though have been filled with much dissappointment trying new games and hoping that they don't dumb themselves down (i'm looking at you Rift who promised you weren't gonna be Azeroth but ended up being just as casual if not more casual than WoW).
The last great game i played was Vanguard. It had so much potential and i loved it but SOE just abused the playerbase with promises that i sometimes think they must have known they weren't going to keep. I played it even as the population dwindled because they decided to throw the pvp server to the wolves by stating "We aren't touching pvp till we fix pve" (which we all know pve will never be fixed completely)
Ironically like the OP, ive been catching up on a great many of the single player games that i missed out upon in the last 5-6 years too (finished the Metroid Prime Trilogy, a few zelda's etc). But in the end i still miss the communities that existed in the past MMOs before the genre was highjacked destroyed by trying to please everyone..
Same, but I haven't been playing single player stuff yet, some Civ IV, and debated Skyrim, but kinda waiting on GW2/TSW, hoping that they deliver something...
Played on the VG PvP server and left for same reason when it got to dead, after their announcment...Did Rift also, and they did listen to the people that wanted things easier/more convienient....So last game for me was VG also.
I hope the new focus on stuff that is more hybrid, than straight themepark will breath some new life into mmos.
LOL... This thread is pure comic gold! About 60% of the replies in this thread are supporting the OP's argument by being the exact type of community the OP is complaining about. It's so good of all of you to prove his points for him!
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Bren
Er, you seem to have missed the irony of the OP being exactly like the community he was railing against.
Besides, this is MMORPG.com, where the hardcore come to do forum PVP. Carebears need not apply.
I didn't miss a thing... I just also find it very ironic that the community didn't disappoint with replies just like what he was complaining about. Oh... and not all forum PvP is of the "in your face" variety. You should know by now I'm a lot more subtle about it than that Kyleran.
Bren
Never you mind Kyleran, he talks and talks about forum PVP and never actually engages in it. The teaser. :P
I think the change in community has to do with the intelligence and personality of the average internet user. As well as the internet just getting alot more crowded.
Back in the EQ1 / UO days, the only people spending alot of time on the internet were geeks and nerds. It was our safe haven. MMORPG's were a very niche genre. So everyone treated eachother good because we felt like we were all on eachother's side. These were the people you would go play an RPG with when you needed an escape from society.
Now all the people and things we used MMORPG's to escape from, are flooding into the games themselves. It is no longer a niche genre. Its not just computer geeks anymore. Its everyone.
That, and, people are just becoming more degenerate as the years go by. Look at all the reality TV shit and people sue'ing eachother over B.S. There's no moral compass anymore. No one has a sense of conviction anymore.
The whole trolling thing didn't exist in MMORPG's until about 4-5 years ago. That, or it was occuring and I just wasn't in the know yet. But in all the MMORPG's I played for the 7-8 years before that, I never saw any trolling type crap going on. If people wanted to be a dick they would just P.K. you.
Believe it or not, out of all the games I've played in the last 5-6 years, you know which game had the friendliest players?
The Age of Conan PVP server, and Darkfall. Both of which were free for all PVP. You could kill anyone whenever you wanted. Weird huh?
The whole trolling thing didn't exist in MMORPG's until about 4-5 years ago. That, or it was occuring and I just wasn't in the know yet. But in all the MMORPG's I played for the 7-8 years before that, I never saw any trolling type crap going on. If people wanted to be a dick they would just P.K. you.
Believe it or not, out of all the games I've played in the last 5-6 years, you know which game had the friendliest players?
The Age of Conan PVP server, and Darkfall. Both of which were free for all PVP. You could kill anyone whenever you wanted. Weird huh?
EQ on Rallos Zek was ironically more friendly in terms of guild relations than its non pvp counterparts. The reason was also mutual respect. If you kill stole, trained, etc. Expect the response in kind (with interest). What happened was that basically guilds actually kept their members in check. We had no problems with mob rotations, very few problems with training/ninja looting. Because of anyone did that, they would really regret the community punishment....
There is no better way to enforce good social behavior than peer pressure.. Ironically because current faction based MMOs don't allow you do hurt your own faction in any way (and instances give them safe havens to level up/farm gear) these pressures are meaningless & you get people who have absolutely no clue how to interact with others than by being a class clown & fool themselves into thinking people like them for it (when most just put them on ignore)
The whole trolling thing didn't exist in MMORPG's until about 4-5 years ago. That, or it was occuring and I just wasn't in the know yet. But in all the MMORPG's I played for the 7-8 years before that, I never saw any trolling type crap going on. If people wanted to be a dick they would just P.K. you.
Believe it or not, out of all the games I've played in the last 5-6 years, you know which game had the friendliest players?
The Age of Conan PVP server, and Darkfall. Both of which were free for all PVP. You could kill anyone whenever you wanted. Weird huh?
EQ on Rallos Zek was ironically more friendly in terms of guild relations than its non pvp counterparts. The reason was also mutual respect. If you kill stole, trained, etc. Expect the response in kind (with interest). What happened was that basically guilds actually kept their members in check. We had no problems with mob rotations, very few problems with training/ninja looting. Because of anyone did that, they would really regret the community punishment....
There is no better way to enforce good social behavior than peer pressure.. Ironically because current faction based MMOs don't allow you do hurt your own faction in any way (and instances give them safe havens to level up/farm gear) these pressures are meaningless & you get people who have absolutely no clue how to interact with others than by being a class clown & fool themselves into thinking people like them for it (when most just put them on ignore)
Yep, exactly. The only thing you can do to a troll/asshat in MMORPG's now is block them, or gkick them. Thats it. But in games where you can kill them or greif them, the community will quickly show that person the errors of their ways. I never really realized that about FFA PVP servers until now. It really does affect people's behavior to the community.
Seriously, I'm tired of playing with trolls and 13 year olds, and groups of game snobs that want me to play a certain way.
I've spent so much time chasing mmoprg releases over the last decade that I've missed a whole slew of killer single player games... like, I'm talking about going all the way back to 2001.
I'm playing some Civ 4, some Hero's of Might and Magic 4, Total War, Oblivion, and even some MORROWIND with the MGE mod. Fucking amazing. This little mod just brings that whole game to life, I don't know how those kids did it.
I'M ACTUALLY ENJOYING GAMING AGAIN lol.
Not all stressed out trying to find a group, getting called a noob every 2 minutes, or listening to how every little feature of a certain game is a "total failure".
The BS rhetoric surrounding MMORPG's is toxic. Fuck all of it.
Later's!
There is nothing wrong with your post, and the people being rude about it are exactly the type of people forcing friendly, social gamers out of the AAA mmorpgs. I played a lot of mmorpgs, and currently see Rifts community on a downhill slide. People will tell you to turn off global chats, and turn off warfront chats, and dont "ask" to be trolled by being outgoing. So what is left for a new player whose friends do not play mmorpgs?
I have used the global chats to make friends in the past, and although players come and go, as well as friends, the community is what keeps most mature players invested. I have been rocking out in warfronts and can say the amount of trolling is disheartening. I find myself holding back just so players wont rage at me. I"ve asked simple, warranted questions in global chat and have been met with snarky comments that neither answer the question, nor make me feel welcomed to the game. Ignore feature works well, but there is still that empty feeling of non-comraderie. More people seem to be chasing that cheese at the end of the maze and forgetting these games initially started with the social commune of people, dice, paper, and pencil. It's not healthy, and is more relevant to the social atmosphere in real life than some would think.
I'm not THAT tired of MMO's, but I am sick and tired of Tolkien inspired fantasy. Enough with the elves and orcs already!
Amen to that. It would be nice with a gameworld close to "Game of thrones". Something low fantasy with little or no magic and focused on melee combat.
Nothing against Tolkien but it feels like 98% of all MMOs are using his world and Forgotten realms and just change the names a bit.
I've heard CK II being called what Game of Thrones should have been... It plays like a medival soap opera where the focus is on managing your vassels, court, allies and enemies. I pulled a couple all nighters playing it... No elves or orcs at all
On the surface it looks like a Total War game but it's focus is completely different... try the demo on Paradox's site.
Seriously, I'm tired of playing with trolls and 13 year olds, and groups of game snobs that want me to play a certain way.
I've spent so much time chasing mmoprg releases over the last decade that I've missed a whole slew of killer single player games... like, I'm talking about going all the way back to 2001.
I'm playing some Civ 4, some Hero's of Might and Magic 4, Total War, Oblivion, and even some MORROWIND with the MGE mod. Fucking amazing. This little mod just brings that whole game to life, I don't know how those kids did it.
I'M ACTUALLY ENJOYING GAMING AGAIN lol.
Not all stressed out trying to find a group, getting called a noob every 2 minutes, or listening to how every little feature of a certain game is a "total failure".
The BS rhetoric surrounding MMORPG's is toxic. Fuck all of it.
Later's!
I totally get your post... I try to fit in single player games in between MMO stints.. Played Skyrim / Amalur and now back in Vangaurd full time.
MMO communities used to rock now ? Ehh... VG's community is great but most new games are just well... just... ya..
It really is kinda sad how mmo community has changed.
Some of the best friends of my life I met playing Everquest. It was a game designed to bring people together to make us need each other and trust each other, build relationships with each other.
15 years later 80% of my everquest guild still talk to each other on the phone at least once a week, email or text each other almost every day, exchange xmas, and birthday cards, and presents, and get together any chance we get.
Few months ago we had a guild reunion in the keys for a week, everyone pitched in and we rented 2 really nice vacation homes in Key West.
Lol we even trade kids for the summer sometimes, last summer my hubby and I took 6 of our guildies kids to Disney and Universal for a week.
MMO communities aren't like that any more, no need for others, no team work, no trust or commitment to each other.
Kinda sucks
I think it's a matter of the type of game, and the expectations placed upon it for progression/advancement.
I think there are some games that still have thriving communities, although they have grown smaller as the myriad of titles flooding the market tend to draw folks away out of their own misguided hopes that there is something new and interesting to love in a new game. Sadly, this is why you see so many people talking about "clones" anymore, since most titles now "borrow" (translation: steal) so many of their ideas from the titles that had the best communities.
EQ was a great game to build a sense of community in. So were UO and DAoC. I followed some of my EQ guildies through several games before we finally parted ways in WoW.
I'd say I started seeing a shift toward more of a "selfish" vibe in the community when WoW became "popular". I started seeing guildies that were more like close friends being cast off like so much rubbish when people became more "raid gear" oriented, and "server first" achievements became more important than years-long friendships, as our guild started recruiting the so-called "hardcore" element to further "progression".
Sad times.
I have by now tried most of the mmorpgs available. (not counting the f2P, off-off broadway titles) And my last game, Rift, although very easy , did have some smooth, polished gameplay so I kept subbing. I took advantage of the free shard transfers and found the pve shards to be more community oriented. However, as more people flocked to the highest populated shards (faeblight/wolfsbane) i noticed the community taking a dive. I did find a few great guilds, but the pugs in warfronts, rifts, and dungeons were hit and miss, usually miss. After playing polished games like Rift, and WOW i find games like Vanguard to be choppy and clunky. But the community and gameplay in games like Vanguard remains far superior. Just wish we could get a polished, complex game which might make for a more mature/intelligent community. Sad to see there always is a trade off.
We can waste our time in many ways, but its not so bad if you are wasting the way you want, therefore for me its not a waste of time playing games, since no one is forcing me in to it, and i find pleasure by doing it.
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I didn't miss a thing... I just also find it very ironic that the community didn't disappoint with replies just like what he was complaining about. Oh... and not all forum PvP is of the "in your face" variety. You should know by now I'm a lot more subtle about it than that Kyleran.
Bren
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And ive been doing this sinds i started MMOs IN '99 HEHE.
But you finally found solo game enjoy:)
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
My first few years in MMO's were definately not a waste (1997-2005ish) made lots of lasting friends that i still communicate with this day.
The last 6-7 years though have been filled with much dissappointment trying new games and hoping that they don't dumb themselves down (i'm looking at you Rift who promised you weren't gonna be Azeroth but ended up being just as casual if not more casual than WoW).
The last great game i played was Vanguard. It had so much potential and i loved it but SOE just abused the playerbase with promises that i sometimes think they must have known they weren't going to keep. I played it even as the population dwindled because they decided to throw the pvp server to the wolves by stating "We aren't touching pvp till we fix pve" (which we all know pve will never be fixed completely)
Ironically like the OP, ive been catching up on a great many of the single player games that i missed out upon in the last 5-6 years too (finished the Metroid Prime Trilogy, a few zelda's etc). But in the end i still miss the communities that existed in the past MMOs before the genre was highjacked destroyed by trying to please everyone..
Same, but I haven't been playing single player stuff yet, some Civ IV, and debated Skyrim, but kinda waiting on GW2/TSW, hoping that they deliver something...
Played on the VG PvP server and left for same reason when it got to dead, after their announcment...Did Rift also, and they did listen to the people that wanted things easier/more convienient....So last game for me was VG also.
I hope the new focus on stuff that is more hybrid, than straight themepark will breath some new life into mmos.
Never you mind Kyleran, he talks and talks about forum PVP and never actually engages in it. The teaser. :P
IMO this guy and anyone who feels like he does needs to go play League of Legends!
The community is very mature and will make you feel right at home!
I think the change in community has to do with the intelligence and personality of the average internet user. As well as the internet just getting alot more crowded.
Back in the EQ1 / UO days, the only people spending alot of time on the internet were geeks and nerds. It was our safe haven. MMORPG's were a very niche genre. So everyone treated eachother good because we felt like we were all on eachother's side. These were the people you would go play an RPG with when you needed an escape from society.
Now all the people and things we used MMORPG's to escape from, are flooding into the games themselves. It is no longer a niche genre. Its not just computer geeks anymore. Its everyone.
That, and, people are just becoming more degenerate as the years go by. Look at all the reality TV shit and people sue'ing eachother over B.S. There's no moral compass anymore. No one has a sense of conviction anymore.
The whole trolling thing didn't exist in MMORPG's until about 4-5 years ago. That, or it was occuring and I just wasn't in the know yet. But in all the MMORPG's I played for the 7-8 years before that, I never saw any trolling type crap going on. If people wanted to be a dick they would just P.K. you.
Believe it or not, out of all the games I've played in the last 5-6 years, you know which game had the friendliest players?
The Age of Conan PVP server, and Darkfall. Both of which were free for all PVP. You could kill anyone whenever you wanted. Weird huh?
@ Painlezz: I agree. League will make any true pvper feel right at home with all the trash talk and your mom jokes.
Perfect place for the OP.
EQ on Rallos Zek was ironically more friendly in terms of guild relations than its non pvp counterparts. The reason was also mutual respect. If you kill stole, trained, etc. Expect the response in kind (with interest). What happened was that basically guilds actually kept their members in check. We had no problems with mob rotations, very few problems with training/ninja looting. Because of anyone did that, they would really regret the community punishment....
There is no better way to enforce good social behavior than peer pressure.. Ironically because current faction based MMOs don't allow you do hurt your own faction in any way (and instances give them safe havens to level up/farm gear) these pressures are meaningless & you get people who have absolutely no clue how to interact with others than by being a class clown & fool themselves into thinking people like them for it (when most just put them on ignore)
Yep, exactly. The only thing you can do to a troll/asshat in MMORPG's now is block them, or gkick them. Thats it. But in games where you can kill them or greif them, the community will quickly show that person the errors of their ways. I never really realized that about FFA PVP servers until now. It really does affect people's behavior to the community.
There is nothing wrong with your post, and the people being rude about it are exactly the type of people forcing friendly, social gamers out of the AAA mmorpgs. I played a lot of mmorpgs, and currently see Rifts community on a downhill slide. People will tell you to turn off global chats, and turn off warfront chats, and dont "ask" to be trolled by being outgoing. So what is left for a new player whose friends do not play mmorpgs?
I have used the global chats to make friends in the past, and although players come and go, as well as friends, the community is what keeps most mature players invested. I have been rocking out in warfronts and can say the amount of trolling is disheartening. I find myself holding back just so players wont rage at me. I"ve asked simple, warranted questions in global chat and have been met with snarky comments that neither answer the question, nor make me feel welcomed to the game. Ignore feature works well, but there is still that empty feeling of non-comraderie. More people seem to be chasing that cheese at the end of the maze and forgetting these games initially started with the social commune of people, dice, paper, and pencil. It's not healthy, and is more relevant to the social atmosphere in real life than some would think.
I've heard CK II being called what Game of Thrones should have been... It plays like a medival soap opera where the focus is on managing your vassels, court, allies and enemies. I pulled a couple all nighters playing it... No elves or orcs at all
On the surface it looks like a Total War game but it's focus is completely different... try the demo on Paradox's site.
I totally get your post... I try to fit in single player games in between MMO stints.. Played Skyrim / Amalur and now back in Vangaurd full time.
MMO communities used to rock now ? Ehh... VG's community is great but most new games are just well... just... ya..
Glad you are having fun.
I have by now tried most of the mmorpgs available. (not counting the f2P, off-off broadway titles) And my last game, Rift, although very easy , did have some smooth, polished gameplay so I kept subbing. I took advantage of the free shard transfers and found the pve shards to be more community oriented. However, as more people flocked to the highest populated shards (faeblight/wolfsbane) i noticed the community taking a dive. I did find a few great guilds, but the pugs in warfronts, rifts, and dungeons were hit and miss, usually miss. After playing polished games like Rift, and WOW i find games like Vanguard to be choppy and clunky. But the community and gameplay in games like Vanguard remains far superior. Just wish we could get a polished, complex game which might make for a more mature/intelligent community. Sad to see there always is a trade off.
We can waste our time in many ways, but its not so bad if you are wasting the way you want, therefore for me its not a waste of time playing games, since no one is forcing me in to it, and i find pleasure by doing it.
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