Lets admit it - GW2 is a "second game" gamers like GW

Magnetia

Gw1 was my primary game for about 3-4 years. Most other games came second at the time. 

I left it for 2 years after some personal issues but came back to it recently to grind a few more HoM things. 

I wasn't disappointed when I came back. A ton of new things were introduced into the game. Daily missions were new to me. Embark beach is freaking GREAT. A new travel hub to make it easier to switch between maps. The flux in pvp makes it extremely interesting. (Random effects cycle every few weeks or something - they effect all players - last week was 'You heal yourself for 50% more and others for 20% less') Oh and the fact that you can take 7 heroes instead of us 3 was something I'd wanted when I left. It was a lot easier to get money and loot because of daily quests - Random mission, pvp stuff and some other one I never bother doing lol.

I noticed how long my quest list was and started doing some master quests I never really bothered to do. I got my ass kicked but managed to overcome the challenge with some tweaks. I still haven't done hard mode stuff.

Still lots of game left after all these years. I think it's safe to say that it has enough to be a 'first game'.

/age 4154 hours 12 minutes over the past 81 months and counting. 

Kakkzooka

I like crystal balls.

semantikron

GW was a 'second game' for people who played WoW and the like because WoW-style MMOs are a job.  GW is a game.  GW2 is going to be a much bigger game than GW is, while still being a game and not a job.  It will be 'prime game' for a lot of people, have no illusions about that.

Dynamic Events aren't special compared to what?  A trip around a Formula One track in a Maserati, probably.  But try and show me something in another MMO that is half as cool as the DE system that is everywhere in the GW2 world and I will call you high.  Or were you going to tell us that herding the same group of 10 or 20 people through the same encounters 3 nights a week so that we can marginally increase our stats is what end-game is supposed to be about?

Zeus.CM

Originally posted by Mustarastas

If you mean by looks the graphics, then I admit that NcSoft has always done "good looking" games. But, the mechanics behind servers and gameplay isnt working as intended in NcSoft games.

your statement doesn't make much sense to me... Arenanet is developing the game and its gameplay, ncsoft publishes it and has nothing to do with gameplay. And about servers...In gw1 I never have lag under normal circumstances, and I don't know who is in charge of server, but I still think arenanet is.

Fozzik

Actually, a simple question to the original poster...

If GW2 is going to be a "second game", what is your "first game" going to be?

drbaltazar

ARENANET!REPEAT THIS 10 TIME VERY FAST!yes ncsoft own arenanet but its like saying activision own blizzard!.if activision had made wow it would have closed a long time ago! same for guild wars!as for those saying yes but aion was arenanet!wrong aion was imposed on arenanet by ncsoft!arenanet began at guild wars 1!they made one game but it was so awsome by this game alone they so convinced ncsoft with their good result that now this time around they got the full financial might of nsoft.

it make me laught people trying so hard to mish mash everything together like this!

as for ncsoft they also made good game,but they have a harder time here for somer reason !

this is why arenanet next title is a huge breat for ncsoft.the only downside ,is arenanet announcing it too early.this might be the only thing hurting gw2!

BrokenSpoon

Indeed, in another thread I had to alert the OP the difference between a Developer and a Publisher. Hold it? The Printers don't write the books as well????? WTF? 

Corthagath

well, im going to start the game as my primary. if i like the game, im going to stick with it for months to come but eventually i might give it a chance for something else, but luckily i dont have to pay fees for this game so i can always log back in and help guildies in some raid or other merry making events :P  

i would not be doing it for some other games that easily, its just too much of a step to take to get your credit card out, pay the fee and think carefully if its worth it. right now where i am in life, i try to avoid using money xD

korent1991

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

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a) Maybe for you. For me it was my first choice when it got out and it was my main and only game for quite some time. Later on I tried WOW as well and played it for large extent of time as well, but I never stopped playing GW. So your statement isn't correct. The statements truth changes on individual basis. Oh yea, and I'm still playing GW after 7 years and at this very moment it's the only game I play. Mostly because I don't have much time to play other games and other reason is that I've tried almost every new game worth considering and it failed me so I'm killing my time with good game untill GW2 is out.

b) I've explained this. But not having a subscription is a positive thing. ANet actually wants to keep players even when they wanna try another game, because they're not obligated to pay a monthly fee to come back when they feel like playing, even if just for a few hours. Where else, besides GW1, will you get that kind of offer (ofcourse for unlimited period of playing and access to full content) ?  I don't have any idea what does this "almost f2p" means since the game isn't f2p, it's B2P with cosmetic shop - learn the difference.

c) Dynamic events aren't special. We know that. But what makes this games DE's special is: Everything is about DEs, you can't just do some quests and when a DE spawns go and do it because there is no "standard" quests. Almost everything you do (besides the personal story) is evolved around DEs.  Warhammer didn't have those, RIFT doesn't have them as well, they all have standard quests and DEs which spawn randomly (in rifts case it's rifts with mobs). These dynamic events aren't "static" like in rift or warhammer, they actually change the landscape of the area and have impact on the map and villages. So if an army of enemies wins over a village and burns it down they go for the next one and they continue winning over the area until they are stopped and pushed back to their castle, which probably can be won and kept until they manage to win it over from you... Everything in this world is about dynamic events and they never stop or "despawn". 

d) Do you know why Guild Wars is the only success published by NCSoft? Ofcourse you don't, that's why you wrote what you did. That's because it's not! Making game popular in west doesn't mean it's popular on east and vice versa (read, aion).

Also, It's not NCSOFT who's making end game content for GW, it's ANet! Learn the difference about those 2 companies. Even if ANet is NCSofts subsidiary company it doesn't mean NCSoft actually has a say in apsolutly everything besides the release date or servers or etc (and as we've seen they're giving them all the time in the world for it)... How the game's done is in ANets hands and not anyone elses. 

Why do you keep mentioning Warhammer when this game isn't clearly in warhammer's range....

This game isn't PVP-only nor was GW1... PVP and PVE are equally important in GW2 and they are fine tuned to every little detail. So you will not be forced to play PVP or even forced to play PVE... You can jump right into PVP if you want and level all the way up only in PVP and still have a lot of fun in PVP on end level. Or you can level only in PVE and completly forget about PVP and still do dungeons, DEs and your personal story without ever having to play PVP and you won't miss anyhting if you don't like PVP. The name Guild Wars 2 isn't because it's all about different guild PVPing against each other. It comes from GW1 where different INGAME guilds fight against eachother and are always in conflict or even uniting against some bigger threat. So guild wars comes from guilds in lore not from player based guilds. You could've at least do some reaserch before you made this post...

 

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Loke666

Originally posted by drbaltazar

ARENANET!REPEAT THIS 10 TIME VERY FAST!yes ncsoft own arenanet but its like saying activision own blizzard!.if activision had made wow it would have closed a long time ago! same for guild wars!as for those saying yes but aion was arenanet!wrong aion was imposed on arenanet by ncsoft!arenanet began at guild wars 1!they made one game but it was so awsome by this game alone they so convinced ncsoft with their good result that now this time around they got the full financial might of nsoft.

it make me laught people trying so hard to mish mash everything together like this!

as for ncsoft they also made good game,but they have a harder time here for somer reason !

this is why arenanet next title is a huge breat for ncsoft.the only downside ,is arenanet announcing it too early.this might be the only thing hurting gw2!

Yeah, Aion is made in seoul, South Korea, GW 1 & 2 in bellevue, Washington, US.

But I fear that anyone who doesn´t know that they are not made t the same place is rather clueless about the rest as well.

korent1991

Originally posted by Mustarastas

If you mean by looks the graphics, then I admit that NcSoft has always done "good looking" games. But, the mechanics behind servers and gameplay isnt working as intended in NcSoft games.

Read my previous reply... and repeat: ARENA NET, ARENA NET, ARENA NET! 

NCSoft is a PUBLISHER.... You know it's like publishing a book... If a company named "printer" publishes it and it's know for bad quality papers used for printing the book, does it mean they actually wrote the book and everything what is written inside sucks ?

Mothanos

Compare contend of GW2 with current subsciption games......i cant stop laughing when i do.

WoW 12.00 Euro a month 1 expansion each 1.5 years so lets say 18x12,00euro + 59 Euro for the expac... 275 euro payed to Blizzard for craptastic shit we played for 7 years.

 

Do daily heroic, Battleground, Raid -log off or chat with friends or stand afk in Ogrimar - SW while still paying for same contend you already completed anmd played inside out.

 

 

GW2 1700 Dynamic Events all scale down to your group - level / 1 7 0 0 Events to do if you choose and want to play it.

PvP at level 2 with stats of a level 80

All that PvP contend like Battlegrounds - Arena

WvWvW 3 servers massive battles 

Dungeons

Spectator Mode nomnomnom grabbing some pringles and check those pro's out.

Exploring for REWARDS

And many many more i cant even name it all.

 

All in the box comming at ya for 60 euro tops ?

Thats alot of contend for that price, more then BLizzard does for that retarded sub you need to pay each month.

 

But haters gonne hate, pls keep playing something else while most of us are haveing fun in our little free game.

 

 

bleyzwun

For me, it depends on how good GW2 really is.  If it is really good and I enjoy the PvP a lot, it will be my main game, while a sub game might be my secondary.  

Xasapis

OP, it is possible that GW2 may end up not being what people envision it to be (more likely, seeing how overhyped certain people are). However, your logic in your original post is flawed. You basically claim that GW2 will be flawed or bad because NCsoft made it and you proceeded to put Aion and Lineage as an example of bad games. Here's the thing though:

• 
  Aion is the second most popular MMORPG in the world. It may not have such a huge following in the west, but it makes up for in the rest of the world.
• 
  Lineage 1 & 2 are still extremelly popular despite being close to a decade old (or more).
• 
  And then you have of course GW1, which is well received and is still popular in the west.

So NCsoft making another successful game in the form of GW2 is no surprise really.

drbaltazar

yep!ncsoft only say in guild wars ! this:they link microsoft ,ncsoft,arenanet together!to make sure if differential compression is needed it get implemented the proper way or of they need donnybrook ((for large scale battle )it get implemented properly!

payment stuff etc! but you would be surprised ncsoft doesnt say much from beginning to almost the end!why would they bother

gw1 was a huge success with insanelly limited ressource from that team!i am pretty sure tho that that part is over and now ncsoft and arenanet are insanelly hard at work for server,microsoft and ncsoft optimising everything!they ll have month of this before arenanet is satisfied cause yes ncsoft will suggest stuff ,but arenanet id the one making it cause they re the one that will have to live with the stupid or insanely genious idea they put on server or software side!

Kalmarth

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

I agree this game will be nothing more than an Addon to a games libary but not a main game that really grips you

ShakyMo

Oh boo hoo a game that finally looks after casual pveers and pvpers first instead of pandering to a squekiest wheel tiny raider minority

Nasa

I should be clear by now. For some GW2 will be their main game and for others it will be their secondary.

For me it will be my main game, until something even better is released.

 

Pratt2112

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

You're posting a controversial topic and making absolute statements without providing any data to back them up, and you don't want anyone to argue it? So, was your expectation that everyone would just say "oh, well, Mustarastas must be right. Obviously they know what they're talking about and are in possession of objective data to back up what they say, or they wouldn't have posted it! So let's not argue their statements, and just discuss why they're right"?

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

Has it? For most? You have actual numbers to back that up?

Personally, I've met plenty of people who played it as their main game for years, as well as those who played it on and off, as well as those who've played it as a "second game", as you describe.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

Again, perhaps for some that's the case. There are people who play it as their main game simply because they really enjoy playing it as their main game. No subscription is a bonus. How "easy" it is or isn't is irrelevant because that's entirely subjective. It's not "almost f2p". There is no "almost". It is, or it isn't. You have to buy the games, the original and all expansions, in order to play at all. If you have to pay for something, it isn't free, almost or otherwise.

And anyway, what do any of those things have to do with whether people play it as their main game or not? All kinds of people play all kinds of games as primary and secondary, even tertiary games, for all kinds of reasons.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

You seem to be making the common mistake that so many make on forums in that you assume whatever you feel about something must be what everyone else feels about it.

Whether or not Dynamic events are special, to you , has absolutely nothing to do with how others feel about them. Also, that Rift or Warhammer, or any other MMO has/had them is absolutely irrelevant. Not everyone plays, or has played those games and not everyone who does or has necessarily enjoyed their implementation.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

Really, I seem to remember my frame rate dropping at times during sieges in L2, but never to the point that I couldn't see what was happening or be involved. Sieges have been one of the cornerstones of Lineage 2 for years. If they were as bad as you make them sound, it's kinda doubtful they'd have been as successful as they have for as long as they have.

Is it a lag-fest for people who are trying to run the game in full settings at a siege when their systems clearly are underpowered to do so? Probably. But that has more to do with the player choosing not to turn down settings to something their system can handle, than it does to do with the game itself. You also don't need a power-house to play it. I've never had a high end machine, and since NC began to optimize the engine and character rendering real early on (talking around C1-C3 here), I've never had bad lag at all at sieges.

But people don't even have to take my word for it. Go to youtube, look up castle sieges and check out many of the videos. You'll see really crappy, laggy ones. But you'll also see plenty of those that are very smooth and not even remotely as bad as you make them sound. Same goes for footage of mass PvP.

Here's just one example I found in a quick YouTube search: Click Kinda cool finding that vid, in paricular. I knew, or knew of a number of the players in it from my time playing. MysticLance was a trip.

 

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinions just as much as anyone else. You really should take some time to differentiate between what is assumption or opinion, and what is actual fact before posting things like you did. There's almost nothing in your entire post that could actually be called fact, outside of Warhammer Online and Rift having dynamic events, and even that's been up for debate.

Superduper69

Originally posted by Caldrin

Im gonig to get GW2 thats a no brainer but i Dont think its going to be as good as its being hyped up to be. Hell if im wrong awesome but I think we all know by now what happens when games get hyped up as much as GW2 is..

 

 

They never are, but i do agree with OP in one thing that GW2 will always be my second game simply because of its B2P model. 

Arawulf

Originally posted by Mustarastas

 

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. 

Please define what you mean by "endgame content".  For almost every MMO I've played endgame content = gear treadmill

Dragviper

 

Dragviper

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

I do think many people will use GW2 as an alt game.

Many of the players in the first GW were players of Wow and other games that played it for the PvP. Other just had it when they felt burnt out of their regular game.

But there were plenty of people playing it as main game as well. GW is still one of the largests MMOs in number of active players and it is still number 3 on the top voted games here.

It would not surprise me the least if half of the GW2 players would play the game as their second MMO, but I don´t see why that would be a problem? There is no rule that say that you only can enjoy one MMO at the same time.

 

Don't be reasonable, there can only be one bestest MMO ever at a time, and all that came before or after are shit.

Not really, some people will always prefer something different no matter what you do. You can´t make a perfect game for everyone so I am happy enough if the game is fun for me.

I liked GW and played it as a main game a rather long time, other of my friends have always used it as an alt game. And those people paid the same sums as me.

I plan to play GW2, hopefully as main game, but I will also try out other games, like WoDO, Class 4 and Copernicus. I only want to have a good time when playing, why would I care if the guys I am grouping with play Wow as well?

People are just taking gaming to serious and forget that it is about having fun, not whos game that is best.

Agreed with you

mazut

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this

! ... why do you start such thread then? You dont want to start the fire, but you light the cigare at the gas station. Yeah right... ty and bye

gotha

Originally posted by Mustarastas

I dont want to argue over this - or negate your high expectations of the game - but few points to discuss:

 

a) GW has always been a "second game" for most players.

b) Why is that? Cause it has no subscription, its easy, and almost f2p.

c) Dynamic events arent that special. Warhammer had those, Rift has those (Instant adventures was implemented alongside with Rifts). You can play those for an hour or two at most, but after that it gets boring grind.

d) Lets face it. NcSoft/AreneNet sucks hard time in making endgame content. NcSoft hasnt really succeeded in making anything properly on mass-scale. Lets see Lineage2/Aion Mass pvp that lags so much that you have hard time telling what is happening. GW is the only succesfull NcSoft end game product, but, if I may ask, if the games name already is Guild Wars, then for how long can you be bothered to play a different forms of pvp-only only as end game? Warhammer failed hard time with this concept as did Darkfall. If you say, go do dynamic events, then read my point (c).

After the game has run a while I can see it becoming a second game.  But the initial launch is going to run like any other MMORPG and be popular for a few months and pitter out.

Yes no subsciption will lead this to be second a game over a long term period.  But time will lead this to be a first game for the months after launch.

Dynamic events actually are a lot more evolved and better implemented then either rifts or PQ.  And the game is also created to support them instead of being a WoW clone with them sprincled ontop.  They also flow a lot differently.

Your last point is all over the place and not cohesive enough to warrent a responce.  GW1 and 2 are very different in mechanics and end game PvP.

 

ALso you confidence about your poorly thought out  points far exceeds your knowledge on the subject.  Tone it down some son.