Its the same old story, you speak of the graphics and go all excited over players being able to switch sides and capture castles and keeps as if it's something 'new' or special. You speak of George R.R. Martin being involved in the project as a good thing. Trust me, it's not. He knows nothing about MMORPGs or games for that matter, just look at the Game of Thrones RTS that was released, he admitted as much on his website. Will HBO know? Or Bigpoint for that matter? - I think not.
There is a huge potential in Martin's story to make something truly big and different in a massive multiplayer online roleplaying game, but it will have to involve the word that seems to have been forgotten and watered down across the genre for years now - ROLEPLAYING!
In the books it's not the fighting thats important, it's the talking, the interaction between characters. In other words it is the game OF thrones where the characters use ALL means. It will be sickening to see when they implement quests in a game like this: "Go into the forest and kill ten wolves, kill 10 bandits, gather 15 logs of wood.. ooh how it will capture the spirit of the book and the show! It will be the same stupid stuff you see in -every other MMORPG- out there.
And the politics system? If you already went down the path of traditional WoW like MMORPGs then it will only be a watered down no good system. Developers have tried it before and failed every single time.
If they really want to capture the spirits of the book they should go down another path, but it's a path nobody dares to go because its untested waters. And why should they try to make something good (*cough* with permadeath *cough*) if you can stick with the old WoW model and be sure that the horde of zombies who wander around thinking that a MMORPG is only variations of that theme. It's not a theme park, you'll say. It's a sandbox! It doesnt matter, if the focus is on PVP on the battleground, guilds taking keeps and castles and if all the intrigue of the books and a good environment for -real- roleplay is forgotten, then it will still be the same old story.
Where are the people with true ambitions these days?
Where are the reviewers who wont swoon whenever they hear the words 'PVP', 'sandbox' and 'good graphics'?
And in a browser? Oooh.. We should be soo excited that it's in a browser? Sorry, I'll have to shake my head at that one, sit down and cry, and pray for a better world.
Well whining about it won't change the platform or the developer, I like the sound of it and will wait to see the implementation before I judge it.
Yep, I care about games, not names, and I love sandboxes, how often do we see one in development by anything other than small indies? Definitely keeping an eye on this one, could be pleasently surprised, regardless of platform.
Maybe someday browser-based games will be commonplace, but today's technology is not up to par. While a fan of the novel series, I am not looking forward to this IP.
Agreed. First they start making Shadowrun browser based and now this.
These great books deserves a real MMO, not a browser based one.
Sandbox, skill based, whatever. Swing an Axe get a point in AX skill. Browser based is less than a highlight to me. I immediately figure they are going to focus on tablets, smart phone and the impending WIN8.
I was concerned about the 'plenty to do...killing bears, wolves etc'. Time will tell. We'll wait and see.
And im affair more and more publisher going this way browser tablet win8 smartphones.
I somehow have the feeling PC is near its end i think even consoles are threadtend by this new era of tablets and phones android/win8(mainly tablet/smartphones based) games.
I give it 3 years and PC desktop gaming is dead.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77 CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now)) MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB PSU:Corsair AX1200i OS:Windows 10 64bit
And im affair more and more publisher going this way browser tablet win8 smartphones.
I somehow have the feeling PC is near its end i think even consoles are threadtend by this new era of tablets and phones android/win8(mainly tablet/smartphones based) games.
I give it 3 years and PC desktop gaming is dead.
Ahaha yeah and before the consoles would kill the PC.
Lulz of the day awards for you sir (even tho it's only 13:29 atm here)
And im affair more and more publisher going this way browser tablet win8 smartphones.
I somehow have the feeling PC is near its end i think even consoles are threadtend by this new era of tablets and phones android/win8(mainly tablet/smartphones based) games.
How on earth can we help educate the people behind some of these amazing ip's to do their fricken job and a little market research. I bet BP had one hell of a powerpoint pitch. I mean it just baffles me. DO SOME MARKET RESEARCH PEOPLE.
Maybe someday browser-based games will be commonplace, but today's technology is not up to par. While a fan of the novel series, I am not looking forward to this IP.
Agreed. First they start making Shadowrun browser based and now this.
These great books deserves a real MMO, not a browser based one.
What ever did happen to that ShadorRun browser based mmo-rpg? It tank?
This game will be made for tablet market. And im affair more and more publisher going this way browser tablet win8 smartphones. I somehow have the feeling PC is near its end i think even consoles are threadtend by this new era of tablets and phones android/win8(mainly tablet/smartphones based) games. I give it 3 years and PC desktop gaming is dead.
Just chiming in to say that Garrett doesn't get excited about every game very easily, and he's just as skeptical of browser games... but he called me after his appointment and pretty much squealed like a fanboy for an hour about how great this looked and how much ArtPlant (the devs) "get it".
I'd be cautiously optimistic honestly.
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The picture looks good for a browser game; so i'm unsure till more pictures are released. Maybe browser is going to be the next "thing,"... maybe not.
Bigpoint (not the developers though?)- Can't say much on them they have 2 games that have some popularity with Battlestar (which i didn't care for myself) and DrakenSang (not sure on this one); so I can't say much for the company yet, but for a big name series like this I'd want a high profile company doing it.
Don't care about Sandbox or themepark games, they are hit and miss to everyone. People are going to complain about them because they have an idea of how they are all; yet some are better then others. So I'll wait till more information till I can speculate more, then find out through gameplay or people's confessions.
Mmm after researching more this could be pretty cool. I am down with the advancement of browser based games if they look this good. I do wonder about performance/instancing/number of players/etc. but it isn't enough to make me write the game off.
My biggest concern is the cash shop setup, but I will try to keep an open mind. It is sandboxey after all.
Refreshingly, when asked whether owning the biggest wallet would be akin to an instant win button, the Bigpoint reps said no. In fact, they emphasized that skill gained through gameplay would basically always beat financing. Jorgen said, "A skilled player will always beat a paying player, even though he is many levels below. [...] We want to really emphasize that all the items in the game can be gained through gameplay." He further stated that some items and skills will be looted-only or available only in game and never available for purchase.
Just cause it's only going to launch with 3 developed factions, doesn't mean that those will be the only ones in the game EVER... (think 'Expansion Packs' people!)
I'm also imagining that since perma-death in a game is a cardinal sin, (despite it being completely appropriate to the setting,) everyone plays as Baeric Dondarrion right? Or do all players get to buy their own Thoros or Melissandre from the cash shop? LOL.
More likely than not, it will hardly be recognizable as the IP it's based on, and thus I won't have any problem checking it out since it will only be a farce of the IP.
Disappointing article. I have already read FAR more detailed descriptions of how the politics and game in general is supposed to work than what is written in this article.
Disappointing article. I have already read FAR more detailed descriptions of how the politics and game in general is supposed to work than what is written in this article.
Just chiming in to say that Garrett doesn't get excited about every game very easily, and he's just as skeptical of browser games... but he called me after his appointment and pretty much squealed like a fanboy for an hour about how great this looked and how much ArtPlant (the devs) "get it".
I'd be cautiously optimistic honestly.
Wait a minute, it is a f2p pvp game. Now if the devs get it there won't be anything in the item shop that effects pvp, oh wait, it is Bigpoint...that will never happen. This game has pay-to-win written all over it. How can anyone be optimistic with that scenario?
I'd love to see a decent sandbox game make it, but it is all about the bigger wallet in pay-to-win games. So unless something earth shattering happens, like Bigpoint making the item shop strictly fluff, don't have much hope for this game.
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I have to agree.
They are playing EVE
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Meh another great IP with massive potential gets flushed down the shitter.
Lol
Thirded
Agreed. First they start making Shadowrun browser based and now this.
These great books deserves a real MMO, not a browser based one.
Sandbox, skill based, whatever. Swing an Axe get a point in AX skill. Browser based is less than a highlight to me. I immediately figure they are going to focus on tablets, smart phone and the impending WIN8.
I was concerned about the 'plenty to do...killing bears, wolves etc'. Time will tell. We'll wait and see.
This game will be made for tablet market.
And im affair more and more publisher going this way browser tablet win8 smartphones.
I somehow have the feeling PC is near its end i think even consoles are threadtend by this new era of tablets and phones android/win8(mainly tablet/smartphones based) games.
I give it 3 years and PC desktop gaming is dead.
Hope to build full AMD system RYZEN/VEGA/AM4!!!
MB:Asus V De Luxe z77
CPU:Intell Icore7 3770k
GPU: AMD Fury X(waiting for BIG VEGA 10 or 11 HBM2?(bit unclear now))
MEMORY:Corsair PLAT.DDR3 1866MHZ 16GB
PSU:Corsair AX1200i
OS:Windows 10 64bit
Ahaha yeah and before the consoles would kill the PC.
Lulz of the day awards for you sir (even tho it's only 13:29 atm here)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/03/06/gdc-2012-pc-games-raked-in-18-6-billion-in-2011/
PC games will always be king.
New Phones and Tablets will have their niche, but PC games will always have an edge.
How on earth can we help educate the people behind some of these amazing ip's to do their fricken job and a little market research. I bet BP had one hell of a powerpoint pitch. I mean it just baffles me. DO SOME MARKET RESEARCH PEOPLE.
What ever did happen to that ShadorRun browser based mmo-rpg? It tank?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/03/06/gdc-2012-pc-games-raked-in-18-6-billion-in-2011/
PC games will always be king.
New Phones and Tablets will have their niche, but PC games will always have an edge.
I think PC and console will remain and have their places but tablets are evolving into a viable 3rd medium.Just chiming in to say that Garrett doesn't get excited about every game very easily, and he's just as skeptical of browser games... but he called me after his appointment and pretty much squealed like a fanboy for an hour about how great this looked and how much ArtPlant (the devs) "get it".
I'd be cautiously optimistic honestly.
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The picture looks good for a browser game; so i'm unsure till more pictures are released. Maybe browser is going to be the next "thing,"... maybe not.
Bigpoint (not the developers though?)- Can't say much on them they have 2 games that have some popularity with Battlestar (which i didn't care for myself) and DrakenSang (not sure on this one); so I can't say much for the company yet, but for a big name series like this I'd want a high profile company doing it.
Don't care about Sandbox or themepark games, they are hit and miss to everyone. People are going to complain about them because they have an idea of how they are all; yet some are better then others. So I'll wait till more information till I can speculate more, then find out through gameplay or people's confessions.
Mmm after researching more this could be pretty cool. I am down with the advancement of browser based games if they look this good. I do wonder about performance/instancing/number of players/etc. but it isn't enough to make me write the game off.
My biggest concern is the cash shop setup, but I will try to keep an open mind. It is sandboxey after all.
Check this out (from massively article):
Can't buy me win
Refreshingly, when asked whether owning the biggest wallet would be akin to an instant win button, the Bigpoint reps said no. In fact, they emphasized that skill gained through gameplay would basically always beat financing. Jorgen said, "A skilled player will always beat a paying player, even though he is many levels below. [...] We want to really emphasize that all the items in the game can be gained through gameplay." He further stated that some items and skills will be looted-only or available only in game and never available for purchase.
Just cause it's only going to launch with 3 developed factions, doesn't mean that those will be the only ones in the game EVER... (think 'Expansion Packs' people!)
I'm also imagining that since perma-death in a game is a cardinal sin, (despite it being completely appropriate to the setting,) everyone plays as Baeric Dondarrion right? Or do all players get to buy their own Thoros or Melissandre from the cash shop? LOL.
More likely than not, it will hardly be recognizable as the IP it's based on, and thus I won't have any problem checking it out since it will only be a farce of the IP.
Disappointing article. I have already read FAR more detailed descriptions of how the politics and game in general is supposed to work than what is written in this article.
As for the game I'll be following it.
Got any links?Wait a minute, it is a f2p pvp game. Now if the devs get it there won't be anything in the item shop that effects pvp, oh wait, it is Bigpoint...that will never happen. This game has pay-to-win written all over it. How can anyone be optimistic with that scenario?
I'd love to see a decent sandbox game make it, but it is all about the bigger wallet in pay-to-win games. So unless something earth shattering happens, like Bigpoint making the item shop strictly fluff, don't have much hope for this game.
Looks interesting. Thanks for the highlight guys