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Let's all congratulate EA on having a paid subscriber base of 1.7 million three months after launch
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It's quite easy to puzzle it out. Contrary to the OPs claim that they lost 0 subscriptions, what is possible is that they reached a steady state. They're loosing as many subs as they're gaining.
Which then fits into the Cowen prediction that overall growth might reach 2 million subs by the end of the year. You'll have platuea's where sub numbers stabalize.
All MMOs? You're forgetting about World of Warcraft.
Uh yeah, if we were six months or a year out than I would buy this. I would probably be saying it myself. But considering the length of time we're talking about sorry I don't.
I think it more boils down to saying the majority of 1.7 million are subbed both times leaves an enormous amount of room for the numbers to have varied between when the exact same statement was made both times.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Yes I got the sarcasm, but still think there needs to be a "sarcasm font".
Currently bored with MMO's.
The Star Wars is dead .Long live the Star Wars!
Good job EAware , you should be proud.
I will remember you from NVN , BG and 1.7.
Let's internet
LOL It's only because of all the morons that believed the lies and hype and paid for 3 or 6 month subscription packages. I have 5 friends that bought the 6 month even though I warned them and none of them are still playing.
All MMOs? You're forgetting about World of Warcraft.
Or almost any game that came out before wow. The "all MMOs drop in subs" phenomenon is only true for wow clones.Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
There is no way they even have a million subs. The servers are all ghost towns. Subs may be close to a million but the population is more likely close to 500k.
I'm also going to point out EVE online.
Some people seem to forget that there ARE MMOs which increase in numbers. If SWTOR has reached a steady state, gaining as many subs as it's loosing, it could be following the path of WoW or EVE right now.
So why does it have to be 6 months to a year? Why that arbitrary time frame? Both WoW and EVE had rising average subscription numbers. 1.7m subscriptions for SWTOR could simply be that steady state before the climb.
You have to have more than one-time content to keep people paying. Once the movies have been all played out there's little left to do.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Clearly, EA is a company that appreciates true talent and artistic vision in favor of bland mainstream garbage.
Their success is due to SWTOR's living, breathing world. Oh, and Gabe Amatangelo's inspired vision and mastery of PvP combat.
nah if you just read the post first before starting to reply is enough. good post op made me smile
Maybe put every word in its' own quotes?
"Suuuuure." "Tera" "is" "going" "to" "be" "the" "next" "WoW" "success" "story".
Maybe we need an "air quotes" emoticon...
Every month so far I keep saying this is my last month. I then pull out the credit card and sign up for another month when my sub ends. I know I will be gone when Diablo 3 and or GW 2 or Aion FTP comes out. The way its going I most likely will be subbed until then.
Grats Bioware!
+1 LOL
Oh and as long as we abusing bioware..
WTH BIOWARE!!! Instead of wasting development time on a day one dlc maybe you could have worked out some of the 200+ generic bugs, and 13 (so far ) game breaking bugs out of ME3
Maybe I was right. Maybe there is hope for a calibration device for personal sarcasm detectors!
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I figured as much. Stabilizing at 1.7 million with some potential growth left is about where it should be at. If the game launches in China the cap will probably go higher, but as far as retention goes they seem to be sitting pretty. I don't see any sub based MMO (especially one with mainly servers in NA/EU) passing 2 million again anytime soon.WoW is probably nearing those numbers in the US at this point themselves. I can see 1.2 bringing back some of the lost players as well.
Yes I got the sarcasm, but still think there needs to be a "sarcasm font".
Maybe put every word in its' own quotes?
"Suuuuure." "Tera" "is" "going" "to" "be" "the" "next" "WoW" "success" "story".
Maybe we need an "air quotes" emoticon...
Maybe I was right. Maybe there is hope for a calibration device for personal sarcasm detectors!
(Bird>When you see a cheerful comment surounded by emoticons flipping the bird perhaps. (/bird>Common guys. All SWTOR needs to be right is 1.2.
Although they do need to be careful it doesn't overshadow the living breathing world thing they have when they make the changes.By logic 1.7 Million doesnt mean 1700000 subscribers to the excact number..It means that it can be something in between 1.6 M- 1.8 M.
So iT can have both dropped or gained +- 200.000 subscribers and still maintain that 1.7 M figure since the last status, my bet it has dropped closer to the 1.6 M range thou ..
200k subscribers is alot thou, but not if we speak in millions as report was made in..
Correct. Tampering with the stationary "fighting NPCs" could have a devastating affect on the game world, no doubt about that.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
This is actually the source:
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1728125741x0x551670/86a5c9a0-1ee8-480f-887b-04bf50c8d268/ERTS_Wedbush_03082012_Transcript.pdf
And what JR actually said during the 8th March conference was:
" we said we had 1.7 million subscribers on the last call, which was about a month ago. What that
was about was the fact that only about – just about half that number had triggered through their 30-day point and
become active subscribers, our definition of recurring subscribers.
We had about half that total still in the 30-day trial period, but they're subscribers because that first month is
including with a package good. What I said a month ago was, just over half. I can now confirm for you today that
the vast majority of the 1.7 is now triggered through that point and they're recurring subscribers."
And, I must confess, I don't really know what this really means.
This is what EA said on Feb01 http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1728125741x0x540332/dab48832-e802-4c78-9fe8-91a3bd6180a2/ERTS_Q3FY12_Transcript.pdf
Let me offer some metrics on purchase and subscription that will help you understand this business. As John stated, we have sold through 2 million units of the game
since December. We currently have a little over 1.7 million active subscribers. The rest have either not started playing yet or have opted out.I can tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering we're only, like I said, 42 days into the launch and
you have a 30-day trial period. So a lot of people are voting that they want to be a part of the service and are engaged, which is great news.
My problem is this. If they sold 2M by the end of Dec'2011 then - I would assume - that the majority of those 2M would have passed their 30 day period by 01Feb - 42 days into launch after all. And of those 2M c.850k became subscibers?
And knowing that the phrase "majority" meant "50% + 1" what does the phrase "the vast majority of the 1.7 is now triggered through that point" - i.e. past 30 days - actually mean?
Maybe 1.15M bought the game last year but didn't subscribe but we have sold lots more boxes since and they - along with 850k others did? Like I say- puzzled.
Edit: Maybe SWTOR didn't sell 2M by the end of last year?