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Let's all congratulate EA on having a paid subscriber base of 1.7 million three months after launch
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OK just for your sake I will recount your statement, and I did prove that they lost a sub mine, sooo NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulating EA for ruining yet another great game development studio !
And 0% retention and loss !
Nice !
The subscribers must be some kind of stones or monks or something like that
I think you are confusing them with the NPCsI dont know what is worse, you, who has yet to state anything but far out opions in your past 6 years on these forums, or the guy who still can't read above your post. Seriously, do you guys just find a thread title you like, read a couple posts to see if you can spam trash, and then dump and run? READ THE ARTICLE, STOP MAKING IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG. The only idioits here talking 0% loss are you guys.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Couple things to look out for when reading a CEO's "announcement" like this:
-He pretty much refused to give an exact number of ACTUAL subscribers, and instead chose to go the "roundabout" method of explaining what an "active subscriber" actually meant to the company in terms of profit. Again, he pretty much refused to give a REAL number. He, instead, said "around 1.7million" which is how much they had in Feburary. "Around" is a HIGHLY subjective term, and the last time I saw it used so loosely was when SOE said "around" 250,000 subscribers for EQ2 after a year of release only to find out that it was ACTUALLY 102k.
-It is IMPOSSIBLE to not lose OR gain a single percent of your subscriber base over 1 month after your product has just released. They have either bleed a couple thousand, gained a couple thousand, or are on the other extreme angles of loss/gain. This man is playing word games in order to keep his Boss's happy about SWTOR.
-He's only fooling those who're willing to be fooled. In other words, only people whom actually love SWTOR & play it on a daily basis are buying into this rubbish. When I read this "announcement" on MMORPG.com I literally felt like I was Obi-Wan Kenobi. It was like a mass of people ALL rolled their eyes at once, and then went silent.
-Never trust a company that refuses to be fair with the public. By avoiding how good or bad SWTOR is doing as a whole Bioware is doing nothing but spitting on everyone. It never helps to lie to people about your mistakes, and I've yet to see a company lie about profit, EVER. So what is Mr.Riccietello hiding from us?
/tiphat
The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.
You can assume whatever you want. I don't know for a fact that they're declining. I could be wrong overall. I know they were on my servers but there could be growth other places.
What I do know is they made this exact same statement a month ago numberwise and using the term "majority" which leads a lot of room for interpretation. Could be a higher majority this time or lower. But I somehow doubt it is the same.
I never said it has to and always will be a decline. What I said is it is too early to assume their retention rate has reached a plateau. I would say that if I felt subs were increasing as well. Has nothing to do with the game in question. Has to do with mmos in general. This would be way too early to assume it has regardless if it was to the positive or negative.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
OMG but you are gullible.
The NUMBER WAS FOR DECEMBER 31st, 2011. They sold 1.76 million copies, of which 1.7million activated their accounts. That's all. However, the press-release person at BioWare deliberately conflated that number with January sales (2.0 million). And in your head you conflated the 12/31/2011 numbers with the 01/31/2012 numbers becaues that's what BioWare wanted.
And now we have some hack, a month late to the knife fight, regurgitating garbage. There is no EA or BioWare press release or interview saying this. It's one clown, six weeks behind the times, clearly out of his depth and incapable of linking his source.
This is the original, deliberately mis-leading press release: http://www.swtor.com/news/press-release/20120201
This is where ALL the Press Releases are: http://www.swtor.com/news/press
This is the last press-release notifying everyone of the opening of the Asia-Pacific servers: http://www.swtor.com/news/press-release/20120301
Stop being so gullible. There are no faries at the bottom of your garden.
Honestly, I prefer SOE now. That's how far EA has fallen. And the sad thing is, they're about 1/4th the NA game market in sales... And they can't make a profit.
This forum is more entertaining than a sitcom. When I heard the news, I instantly came here to see the response, you guys do not disappoint.
Just a quick by-the-by. Do you guys believe that subscribers = logging in and playing all day everyday or do you include the 'casual' crowd who can get 'too busy to log in' for days/weeks while still 'enjoying' the game and continuing their subscription?
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
No. The problem is there is no such competent article. Some third-rate clown at a third-rate website is six-weeks behind the times and getting it all wrong. All he did was regurgitate the 02/01/2012 misleading press release and get even that wrong.
Also, FWIW, you're EA is highly unlikely to be sued over that press release because it's not an official communication of financial information and therefore is not considered a reliable, material managment statemet for purposes of prosecution. People talk a lot about lititgation, but it's not so easy as the crybabies who want to destroy accountibility would have you believe.
LOL.
One post, nobody agrees, everyone says it'll get worse.
And I notice it has gotten as far as 7 pages.
OMG O.P. must be getting such a freaking hard time. xD
It's hilarious.
Edit: Yes yes 9 pages. I'm still laughing. Poor thread owner.
You are apparently the gullible one. The OP that you quoted was being sarcastic.
Also, while we are on the subject. I'm the link provided by the OP they very clearly state (and it has been proven time and time again on these boards) that the 1.7 million number was from Feb 1st NOT Dec 31st.
And the "one clown" who's "six weeks late" according to you isthe same guy that made the original announcement of 1.7 million subs.
Your facts are way off, but I guess it's hard to fact check when your personal bias is so strong.
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I don't see many people online at all. I doubt there's 1.7mill casual players though. The simple truth is there are not 1.7 million players. There may be a lot of subs but the players are just falling away. I don't give a shit how much money ea makes. I just want an enjoyable mmo experience, and SWTOR is moving in the wrong direction.
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Around 1.7 Mill of sub, (Without the new Asian servers population),but still we are full of ¨swtor is a fail¨, ¨EA is lying¨, ¨And more conspiracy theories¨, just LoL. 1.2 is coming, and guess what, the population will grow even more after the release of the update. Dont like the game is ok, but you should learn to live in a MMO world where a game like SWTOR is already an huge success and it will be even bigger in the next 6 months. LIVE WITH IT.
Long time reader but first post, I felt I had to get this out as I keep reading these threads and wanted to throw out some prespective. I'm not trying to troll this thread but I personally still have an "active sub" however have not played in over a month. I purchased the game and really enjoyed the leveling experience, before I was done with this leveling i bought a 2 month game card and applied it to my account. So even though I am apperently one of these "1.7 million subs" I will not be continueing after my game card runs out. The game just no longer holds my attention and I'm sure I am not the only one in this position.
Just my 2 Cents
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Yes that is quite an amazing achievement. I guess my seven real life friends (some of them house mates) who said they had stopped playing are in reality secret SWTOR addicts. And all of you fellow forum dwellers, your real life friends or family members, or guild mates who said they quit the game, must be a big pack of lying addicts as well.
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I'll congratulate them when they make a truly innovative game that doesn't bore me so bad, I'd rather play nothing. I'm glad a lot of people *appear* to like this game, but I still maintain that it has no legs. When more interesting games come out, people are going to bail hard. There's really just nothing else new to play, and that is good enough for many.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
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Yes that is quite an amazing achievement. I guess my seven real life friends (some of them house mates) who said they had stopped playing are in reality secret SWTOR addicts. And all of you fellow forum dwellers, your real life friends or family members, or guild mates who said they quit the game, must be a big pack of lying addicts as well.
Nice to see I am in good company for being fooled by the sarcastic-ness of the OPs post, I completely missed it too.Another point is that SWTOR didn't release world wide last year, Australia for example only got retail copies (and the ability to buy digital copies) last week, so that combined with 'over-subs' (i.e subbed for 3 months but isn't playing anymore) and they could quite easily still have about 1.5-1.7m subscribers on their books... how many of those are actually active players is a different matter.
I'm not being funny but you remind me of one of the warhammer fans. I'm trying to remind his name.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
Well I mean you can slap Star Wars on nearly anything it'll sell.
The point is, no one's in the wrong for not trusting EA. They have a track record for being overly kind with numbers.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
That's a reasonable presumption...I tend to give these announcements the benefit of the doubt...especially when you're dealing with a public company like EA.
So if we take this announcement at face value (not the OP's post, but the info it's based on), then what reasons could exist that help explain SWTOR's apparent steady state. Bringing in Austrailian subs could be one explanation. Also, BW agressive marketing campaign could be paying off.
1. 1.7 million is an approximate figure. I doubt the subcription base is EXACTLY smack bang on 1,700,000. So that figure may have increased or decreased slightly.
2. The 1.7 million figure includes everyone that is subscribed to play, even if they’re still playing that first “free month” straight from http://torwars.com/2012/02/02/two-million-copies-of-swtor-sold-1-7-million-subscriptions/. I wonder how many were playing the "free month" in January?
3. Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has told investors that BioWare's Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers as of the end of February. A "vast majority" of players have passed beyond the free month of playtime that comes with the game and are in full-on paid subscription mode. To me this says that a lot of those who played their "free month" back in january have converted to paying a fee in february. What does that say abour retention rate? Well...nothing at all really..it basically means we are analysing the first 2 months here...which is really silly to do.
Now if you look at the big picture, you still have WoW with 10 million subscribers and Rift is still holding its own ( though no where near as much as 1.7 million and more in region of 500-600k subscribers :P).
Bottom line is that ya ofc EA would be all out excited and screaming at the investors on how well they ar doing in those initial few months to get them to invest more into the game.
The reality is, we still have yet to see how well the game will do in 4-6 months time not to mention 2,3,4 or 5 years....
Looking forward to EQL and EQN.
I m not playing atm, but I will sub again, when a few things are added/fixed. SWTOR is doing great, will be doing great in a year from now, and continue to slowly grow IMO. Alot of people have left, wanting to return and will when a few things are added. Anyone that thinks it s failing, or will fail anytime soon are crazy.