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Why Im going to enjoy watching SWTOR circle the drain
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Agreed, even the Digital Deluxe doesn't feel like it was even remotely worth it.
Well I'm brand new to the game, just started playing this past Thursday (right before the free trial weekend) and made sure I made a character on what was considered a high populated server and begged for over an hour LFG for a flashpoint and still had no takers. I asked in chat if they were going to put any sort of que up for these things with the new patch and got a big "no" maybe in 1.3...
I'm enjoying the story and voice acting quite a bit but I think I'm just going to play until my time runs out.
Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
The more people who support this game, the less good it'll do the industry. All of my hopes for MMOs are riding on GW2, which is sadly not quite as innovative as I had hoped it'd be. I was foolish for hoping then and I still am foolish for hoping now that anything will change.
The genre has gotten so bad that the Koreans have finally taken over; they actually are making sandbox games now and games with real, interactive combat, not just the button spam fests that are LotRO and TRO..
Back in the day we used to laugh at ourselves and never consider the force in the east to ever catch up in terms of raw gameplay. Asian grinders were basically like graphical MUDs that you basically just repeatedly typed one word into.
Now look at what has happened: The latest and.. "greatest" AAA MMO to hit the western market in the past 2 years is a crappy copy of games that existed nearly a decade before it.. in terms of combat. So instead of a making clever interactive game they make a story book with boring game play to advance through it.
This is worse than any Asian grinder, because it implies that people want things TOLD to them; making your own story through interacting with the game's mechanics has sort of died and it's sad to watch.
RP died first, the second thing to go is the actual combat in-game and you'll basically get a crappy version of TV; you know, something you pay money for and sit on your ass to watch without thinking.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Maybe because you have nothing better to do
Enjoy your ride in to hate, we continue to play
The dark side is strong in the OP
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
The low population servers is what's really causing people to leave. For well over a month now, a large portion of the very low population servers are lucky to have 15 people on fleet. Making it a solo game and unable to do any of the content. Transfers and mergers should be #1 priority. While I know they can't stick someone from graphics or something over on transfers etc, or simply hire more in that area to expediate things. It is what it is, unfortunately.
Kinda this. Shrug. You'd expect people to know better after all those years, also to be aware of what they like or dislike in games, but apparently some people never learn or know themselves and their gaming taste, or maybe just too lazy to do some research before buying stuff.
Interesting. I read dev posts and other info too, and knew exactly what to expect from SWTOR. It doesn't take much skill to get to the core of marketing and company speech, if people still can't they should prepare themselves to get suckered into stuff with every marketing and advertising around on tv, commercials and maybe relationships too when you end up totally surprised when you discover that the girl you were dating had pictured some unexpected, nasty stuff far more rose colored and optimistically to you than you'd have preferred.
"The low population is what's really causing people to leave."
Anybody else see irony in that statement? It's like saying the well is dry, because there's no water in it.
I don't mean to flame, but that statement has been typed so many times on these forums that it'd be a travesty not to point out the logical fallacy that is behind it.
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
To quote The Stones: "Let it Bleed."
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
I have 3 posts I guess it is now, I'm clearly not that active on these forums lol. I'm unaware of how often someone says that, but it's to no suprise.
People like the OP is why I enjoy watching TOR succeed. Hope you have plenty of tissues to catch the tears of disappointment when it doesn't happen. As others have already pointed out, your dumb move by spending $150.00 for the game when you had cheaper alternatives.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Just give me a couple hours of fun, thats all I'm asking!
To the OP, first let me say thanks for helping support a game I am still having fun with.
Second, maybe take a look at your life, and realize there are more important things to get your panties in a bunch about than the success or failure of a video game. /shrug
Obviously your life, but really, it shouldn't be a life affecting event, whether SWTOR succeeds or fails, or even whether you feel ripped off or not.
I think SWTOR will survive, not thrive, but linger. I like it, I am having fun with it, but I see it for what it is, and know I will not be playing it forever. But then, I saw all this before the game even left beta. I am curious why so many people looked at this game when it launched and were surprised. I get the textures thing, totally understandable, but pretty much everything else was more or less exactly what I was led to believe was coming.
The MMORPG market is and has always been buyer beware. The thing is, I didn't think Bioware hid all that much, to be honest. SWTOR is, and has always obviously been, a gold painted turd. If you accepted that coming in, it was really not a bad experience.
Gamers used to demand more/better. Welcome to the new world of half-a$$ games and content customers.
How sad.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
I wonder what's more inflamentory. The OP's original thread which gives a quick point of view on the game or the remarks he's recieved and will for making it in the first place.
Wonder which will get the [Mod] first. There is no difference from this being a positive post and getting flamed or a negative one and getting flamed. Just want to point that out..
So both sides understand what type of "debates" this game generates.. Can't ban em all..
PM before you report at least or you could just block.
EA/Bioware advertised an MMORPG to you. It did not advertise a single-player game. You should be pissed off that you spent that money and got 1/4 of what you were promised. (Remember: high res graphics, an ambient world? TOR has none of these things.)
This is why companies produce shit games: because they know the market doesn't do its research.
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
I hope TOR fails because it is the most generic and lame game that doesn't do the SW IP justice. There should be a warning sign when logging in that says: Diving into this game could break your neck. It's about as deep of a Star Wars experience as the puddles and streams in the game itself.
There's no arguing that it is an MMORPG. I don't think you know what the words "high res graphics" and "ambient world" mean, either. Are you saying that the game is low res and that there are no ambienent elements? I seem to remember plenty of fauna and NPC's roaming around....
I read it more as, "the well is drying up, so everyone is going to look for more water".
I don't call seeing no more than 4 or 5 oppossing faction players from level 1 to 50 on all the planets in almost a two month stretch a mmorpg. The game is so instanced and shoeboxed, it's pathetic.
OP reminds me of Khan from Star Trek The Wrath of Khan. Khan was awesome.
I post on how I think the game as a MMO sucked, and how as a single player story it sucked, but I got my money out of it.....BUT, I sure as hell wasn't staying subbed, I got enough out of it for the purchase, but to give them money monthly? No.
I hope it fails, not because I hate EA, or anything, but because I don't want to see other people pull this stuff in the future...While I said I got my money out of it (most I see would say they didn't, but I put the standard on it, some do on here, about how going out is expensive, so getting my money worth is easy to do)...But it was the shortest time I have EVER played a MMO that I have payed for. I usually play for a year+....But I have been very disappointed with the last 2 I have purchased, SWTOR played 1 month, Rift 3 months (and was struggling to do that, payed for 6 months due to my mmo history, and left with time on the table, but it was 9.99/mo at 6 mo. price)...Money doesn't concern me, as I would pay $50 a month for something I thought was the ultimate MMO no problem....Games developers have been very lazy and made rat maze/small worlds, usually a couple starting areas for both sides, limited classes/races...The days of many races/classes, and starting points for almost every race are gone it seems....
So yeah, I would like the market to hold devs to a little higher standard, and hopefully the next time someone makes a $300 million turd, it sits on the retail shelf like a turd.
When did it say it was full world PVP? they didn't! They even admitted they didn't realize PVP would be as big as its been.
And for Instanced and shoeboxes, yeah it is small on the zone front, I'll give you that...But all games are shoeboxed. It brought nothing new to the genre but then again when is the last time a game did? EQ? Meridian? They have all been clones of the first gen!
The first "M" stands for "Massively." Because of the inadequacies of the HERO engine, or how clumsily it was implemented by Bioware, the ability to have "massive" amounts of people is limited - hence why worlds are "copied" to reduce lag. This impedes the ability of a large group of people to be in the same area. Similar to GW1, this is more of a CORPG, where people do their quests in instances and do their PvP in separate areas. TOR is not an MMORPG in the traditional sense. Not because of design, but because of the bad implementation of a horribly tweaked game engine.
Secondly, watch this and then tell me that this qualifies as ambience. There are no ambient noise, and characters are on a 1.5 second animation loop - doing nothing. There is no ambience in this game, and we can discover this objectively.
People who bought this game did not get what was advertised by EA/Bioware.
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"