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Why Im going to enjoy watching SWTOR circle the drain
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Heh. If people expected a themepark MMORPG when they bought it, I don't see why they should be pissed off. Personal taste aside, SWTOR is obviously not a singleplayer game no matter how hard people shout that it is, it's one of the themepark brand of MMO's, 1 has this, the other has that but in the end they're all themepark MMO's. Don't see much difference between them, one person may like LotrO, the other WoW or Aion, another plays Rift or SWTOR, they're all themeparks to me. If someone likes to play that kinda games, well, it's their time and money, if themeparks does it for them, good for them.
If people expected a sandbox game a la SWG or something completely revolutionary when they bought it, those people are clearly idiots who don't bother to do their research or lack the skills or talent (or intellect?) to sift available information to see what's true or realistic.
In your opinion. In my opinion and popular opinion, the MMORPG genre isn't as narrowly defined as you seemed to want it. I get the feeling that you'd classify most modern MMORPG's as not being 'real' MMORPG's especially the themepark ones. Or maybe it applies only to the MMORPG's that you dislike.
Whether it's a good MMORPG is a point of debate, not whether it's an MMORPG, unless you want to use your own repurposed definition of MMORPG's and not how the rest of the world sees MMORPG's.
When did i ever mention pvp. I was talking about leveling up from 1 to 50. The whole time, for almost 2 months, i ran across a total of 4 or 5 opposite faction players. Where the hell is the mmo in that. I love how some people keep trying to fit that round peg in a square hole. TOR is not a mmorpg, it is a SPRPG with online functions at best.
Best post in the entire thread. BRAVO!!!
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Lol. Yep, and the color green has from now on become the color blue and shall be named so, just because I say it is
I agree with musicman 100%, and i scratch my head till it bleeds as to why some people are so blind/fanboi towards this game
It's more logical to hope they don't perfom well in the sub department so they can finally look at the big picture. I'm not a fan of TOR but i knew from many years of playing these games it was going to be a rough ride. so I got out early before release.
OP wishing it would circle the drain is not a wise thing to wish. anger is good if used with sound logic and a pinch of wisdom. my hope is, all the years of drubbings SWG vets took on their forums before release,could be looked at as sound warnings about not going the themepark route would echo in their ears and make them re-think themepark design and it's current stale state on the industry.
At this point i feel the ego of BW is is still far to great for them to view some of the more wiser MMO vets advice to even be considered.
But this is an industry problem not just a bioware problem.
Whats truly needed is more trend watching. and the trends are moving away from gated linear themed content & design.people are craving to be a truly overpowered hero or villain or heck even fully neutral. MMOs are about ego's same with sports. players want more input on how the server they're on can be affected by their decisions. players want options to affect these virtual worlds and they want more control over content.
It's 2012
At some point developers have to start getting that people want options not limitations in their virtual worlds.BW has one more chance to loosen the themepark irongrip and allow some options.
If they don't? then expect what should happen...........F2P
I would like to add as well... The hero engine being used by BW is at least 8 revisions behind the one I develop my game with. It runs good on older cards because it runs on cards from yester year. my version of hero engine has been updated to the latest GPU's so those of us using the engine don't have the lag issues they have.
Sorry I assumed you meant PVP, as for the opposite factions, I myself have seen alot, different times different servers will yeild different expeirences and honestly most games I've played there was never a lot of cross faction sightings as each factions goals are different.
My guild has 95 + people on it, I'd say that quailifies as an MMO.
And your right people want to hate it and vent their hate on the boards al la round hole square peg theory. I started playing these games in 1997....15 years ago, my life has changed my priorities have changed, I've moved to 2 different continents and 10 cities. if you still have the same time to dedicate to games 15 years later, well sorry! (This last part was not for Musicman per se, but to people that think everyone has 8+ of grind gear fest 6 days a week, A lot of us don't anymore so we'd rather have a causal game to have FUN in)
Kinda funny how no one would classify Red Dead Redemption as a mmorpg, yet you can play it in multiplayer mode with other people online. You can pvp anywhere you want, you can gather materials to sell and you can go anywhere on the game map that you want to go. TOR feels more constrained than even that, so if RDR is a SPRPG with online functions, what makes TOR not the same. Oh, that's right, Bioware labeled it as a mmorpg so it must be that.
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You're doing it wrong then man. You're supposed to say how the game is trash, call Bioware filth, and state how anyone who likes the game is so unintelligent that you question how they remember to breath much less operate a computer! You then rant about how the game personally wronged you, that you're getting friends to quit, getting people together to file a lawsuit, that you gain personal enjoyment that the game is failing, <something about WoW>, etc. I mean, don't you know how the interenet works?=p
Anyways I have more important things to worry about then if some video game succeeds or fails. It's success/failure will not be the downfall of a genra leadering to there never being a good MMORPG for the rest of enternity. But hey, maybe I was immune to the game somehow personally wronging me because I only played it for 3 months and I won the CE without paying a cent. And for the amount of time I got out of the game its worth $30, and heck, worth $90.
Just give me a couple hours of fun, thats all I'm asking!
Gamers used to demand more/better. Welcome to the new world of half-a$$ games and content customers.
How sad.
EA/Bioware advertised an MMORPG to you. It did not advertise a single-player game. You should be pissed off that you spent that money and got 1/4 of what you were promised. (Remember: high res graphics, an ambient world? TOR has none of these things.)
This is why companies produce shit games: because they know the market doesn't do its research.
There's no arguing that it is an MMORPG. I don't think you know what the words "high res graphics" and "ambient world" mean, either. Are you saying that the game is low res and that there are no ambienent elements? I seem to remember plenty of fauna and NPC's roaming around....
That would be the "living, breathing world " that the Devs promised, which turned out to be a dead sterile place wthi the NPCs stuck in action poses, no day night cycles, no weather effects, hardly living breathing world.@OP
Do you still not see the irony of your post?
In the same manor you described your anticipation for the success of the game, you are now anticipating it's failure. It is based solely on desire and by reading a few opinions that support your own.
The fact is, when you actually got to heart of the matter, the game did not fit with your initial expectation. Now you are waiting for it's demise in the same way. I fear that once again, you are in for a disappointment.
Maybe the word and definition MMORPG has been watered down so much, it's now representing something other than what it meant in the past. Maybe it's time for a new classification to come out. How about MMVWORPG= Massive Multiplayer Virtual World Online Role Playing Game. Since Dev companies think that SPRPG is the new MMORPG, it could set a new definition when making these games.
Because, in the desert, even a botlle of camel pee looks refreshing to the thirsty... once they grasp the bottle, they realize it is just pee...but that doesn't quell their thirst, and just infuriates them all the further.
I bought the game knowing it woulnt be the walhalla it should have been, but i tought how bad could it be if bioware created it.
Well i lasted 2 months and crawled back to Eve with the tail between my legs.
My 1st server went from full to ghostown.
My second server was full and went medium.
After 2 months i was so anoyed that people dint play fast forward the dialogues in flaspoints i stopped doing that and focused on PvP.
But PvP was so bad in this game i was just laughing my bum off when my sniper coulnt chain a combo in with the severe ability lag.
I knew it woulnt be a super mmo, but i dint expect it to be a sad piece of money grabbing monotome single player mmo it is.
At least GW2 is closing in and its fun to play Eve again for the time being.
Because most people can be fairly objective and have a good idea what can be seen/found in MMORPG's and what in singleplayer games. For example, Red Dead Redemption can't be played with hundreds to thousands of people in the same world/server/shard, nor is its world persistent in the sense that when all players log out the world will still be there, regardless how many players are logged in on it at any given time.
Common sense, normal logic, that's why most people including experts as more official and professional institutions and organisations can come to the same conclusion what games are classified MMORPG's, and which don't. No matter what personal grievances or narrow definitions some people might have regarding MMORPG's.
But debate about this is getting ridiculous, so I'm out of here.
Yeah. And there was something about adding the 4th pillar... Oh yeah, stories.. Whoops, tons of MMOs have stories.
Maybe they meant choices... Oh wait, I played a female Sentinal and a male Guardian... Same story, different choices, same ending... A female Commando and a male Vanguard... Same story, different choices, same ending... And so on... On the Sith side I didn't even bother to try and get a different story... I knew it'd all end the same way...
Then there was the whole 'epic combat.' There's even a BioWare video being narrated by a BioWare dev as they're telling you they're going to make the combat 'heroic' and 'difficult.' lolz... I've had better combat in F2P crap-fests.
1.7 million subs confirmed.
remember the saying, lies, damned lies and statistics, you'll never guess how they pulled out that 1.7m subs thing...
thats right, careful use of statistics.
oh yeah, we told you so
I pre-ordered after I did some beta-testing on my guild-leaders beta-test account. Which came up when her husband spilled the beans in a raid she wasn't there because she was beta testing SWTOR. I asked her if she was quitting for SWTOR. She laughed her butt off and said "no, try the game."
It was pretty bad, but I put that off as 'beta issues.' I played in stress-test Open Beta and put that off as 'beta issues.' My gut was screaming BAD MMO, BAD MMO. But I'm 51. And Star Wars, for me, was a vastly different and more powerful experience than for those a generation behind me. And I let that, plus my burn-out on LOTRO and inability to find an MMO I could really enjoy, color my decision.
Fortuantely, I never buy CEs. I know better. But I did violate my 'wait and see' rule. The rule that has kept me out of a LOT of bad games over the years -- Spore, DA2, AoC, Duke Nukem, etc., etc., etc. And with the buff-up on the importance of following the rule after this particular disaster, it will keep me out of a lot of other bad games. And, ultimately, my continued search lead me to a great month in STO and finding DCUO which is so much better in everything but cutscenes...
So, for that, I'm grateful. Like Jefferson wrote: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. Well, in gaming it's gamers = patriots, tyrants = shoddy, money-grasping developers. And while I have no problem with captialism. And, in fact love it, I think not everyone in it is an honest and competent actor. And those who are fundamentally dishonest and incompetent in their approach (EA/BioWare) need to fertiize the tree.
You trust that face?
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
statistically speaking, thats a very trustworthy face
Boom! Headshot!
"We don't just give in to mediocrity at EA/BW, we create mediocrity."
Thats only your pòint of view. Im having a lot of fun playing it, and waiting for the ranked wz and the new 1.2 content.