I know no other game has all those, oh wait , no OW PvP, no crafting, and now I can buy my way to uberness well done A Net
Explain how you can buy your way to uberness. PS. being able to buy items in the store is not buying your way to uberness.
As a bonus exercise, explain what "uberness" is in GW2.
If I can buy anything that will take someone else who can't afford to buy, time and effort I will call that uberness because i did squat to earn it. Keep defending your holy grail though it is ok, but god forbid someone does not like what A net has done.
Will you be able to use your cash to buy gear from Karma Vendors, PvP gear vendors or from Dungeon gear vendors? The answer to all of those is "NO".
But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
So basically, this is going to work out just like GW1?
Early on, it's going to get all the players looking for the next MMO, they will power though it completely and realize, they just skipped over everything they were supposed to play through. some will go back and re play what they missed a few more times through. while most wil probably get bored and move on.
But basically, in the end, most people will play the content through, Put GW2 on the shelf until the next content update and GW2 becomes the game people play between games.
I really don't see this game holding millions of player's attention day after day, month after month.
I am looking forward to experienceing GW, But even now in Rift, There are titles to grind and there is social status gear that can be purchsed with reputation. If I get them through other play, sure, great, But I won't go run an old out leveled dungeon just to get a title I missed. I won't do reputation grinds in order to gain access to social wear.
These grinds do not appeal to me. and I would assume many like me. (I don't think I am alone in this)
Maybe I am.
There is a difference between Rift and GW2 in that you don't really "outlevel" content. But we will see whether people notice or care about this at launch. This isn't exactly news, however, as the leveling scheme and sidekicking mechanisms have been public knowledge for years.
But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
every time i play a mmo the greed boils up in me, opportunities to make some gold ill grab with both hands. most of the times that's the reason why i quit playing, with gems it will be hard to resist this...greedy me.
I know no other game has all those, oh wait , no OW PvP, no crafting, and now I can buy my way to uberness well done A Net
Explain how you can buy your way to uberness. PS. being able to buy items in the store is not buying your way to uberness.
As a bonus exercise, explain what "uberness" is in GW2.
If I can buy anything that will take someone else who can't afford to buy, time and effort I will call that uberness because i did squat to earn it. Keep defending your holy grail though it is ok, but god forbid someone does not like what A net has done.
Will you be able to use your cash to buy gear from Karma Vendors, PvP gear vendors or from Dungeon gear vendors? The answer to all of those is "NO".
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Ahh yes you can, get your facts straight
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Nope, not true.
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But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
The problem is is that you misunderstand the purpose of a game. The game itself is a reward after a hard day's work, it's supposed to be fun, it's not supposed to involve work leading to a carrot.
Exactly! Very well said.
Wait a minute. If pretty much all MMORPG's prior to GW2 involve working hard (aka grinding) and chasing a 'carrot', if these elements are not present than can we say that GW2 isn't really a proper MMORPG, but yet another new form of online game much like GW1 was?
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
The problem is is that you misunderstand the purpose of a game. The game itself is a reward after a hard day's work, it's supposed to be fun, it's not supposed to involve work leading to a carrot.
Exactly! Very well said.
Wait a minute. If pretty much all MMORPG's prior to GW2 involve working hard (aka grinding) and chasing a 'carrot', if these elements are not present than can we say that GW2 isn't really a proper MMORPG, but yet another new form of online game much like GW1 was?
All MMOs prior to Everquest (and arguably including EQ) weren't based on questing as the main source of content, did that make WoW not an MMO?
I know no other game has all those, oh wait , no OW PvP, no crafting, and now I can buy my way to uberness well done A Net
Explain how you can buy your way to uberness. PS. being able to buy items in the store is not buying your way to uberness.
As a bonus exercise, explain what "uberness" is in GW2.
If I can buy anything that will take someone else who can't afford to buy, time and effort I will call that uberness because i did squat to earn it. Keep defending your holy grail though it is ok, but god forbid someone does not like what A net has done.
Will you be able to use your cash to buy gear from Karma Vendors, PvP gear vendors or from Dungeon gear vendors? The answer to all of those is "NO".
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So keep trolling son.
Ahh yes you can, get your facts straight
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Nope, not true.
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But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
THEIR SERVICES. NOT ARMOR. NOT GEAR. SERVICES.
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You never played GW1 did you, that is what their services are GEAR GEAR GEAR
But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
Karma Vendors only sell things with Karma and nothing else.
What don't you get about what I posted it is not hard actually, I can buy the same gear you can with Karma, what part of that don't you get?
Then show me where. Show me this supposed uber gear, that is better than everything else, that can be bought with gold. Because all you've done is taken out a quote from the devs blogpost, talking about personal story and now you're saying the game is P2W.
But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
Karma Vendors only sell things with Karma and nothing else.
It seems very straightforward, he even highlighted in red for the hard of understanding.
And the words he highlighted specificed services, not gear, as the rewards you can purchase with gold. In fact, I'll copy and paste it again, still highlighted in red, for anyone who missed it.
Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma.
The problem is is that you misunderstand the purpose of a game. The game itself is a reward after a hard day's work, it's supposed to be fun, it's not supposed to involve work leading to a carrot.
Exactly! Very well said.
Wait a minute. If pretty much all MMORPG's prior to GW2 involve working hard (aka grinding) and chasing a 'carrot', if these elements are not present than can we say that GW2 isn't really a proper MMORPG, but yet another new form of online game much like GW1 was?
There doesn't seem to be one... which to me is an issue. As much as you can claim to enjoy a game and have 'fun' its human nature to expect some type of reward from it. Having nothing to gain out of it just makes the whole process so much less rewarding.
Name one thing 'fun' you do and you don't get anything out of it. Now that you just tried to prove me wrong, really think hard about it in what you might get out of it besides fun. If your not being ignorant, I'm sure you just thought of something. With PvP it can be moderately rewarding with winning, but in the end if your just winning and not getting some shine of progress for it, your just going to eventually loose interest in it.
I play video games entirely for fun. There you go. If you get something other than fun out of games, you must have a sad sad life. Believe me, nothing you have done, are doing, or will ever do in a game will EVER mean anything.
So I see alot of I wont play this long just long enough to see the game through then shelf it till they add new content or this game has nothing to chase after. Ok which games dont have goals to complete in them name one MMO that does not have built in goals or gear grind of anykind I really can't name one that does not have this in some way. Even Champions Online which at first didn't feel gear grindy has grear grind even CoH/CoV have gear grind even Darkfall had a gear grind. What game does not have follow the quests in it I have not played an mmo that didn't have quest hub ABC follow the path game play sense well UO really EQ1 had quests but they were not path driven you did them when you reached a certain lvl but thats fine to. What will GW2 do that makes you play exploring the game world being the first to complete the dungeons and being the best at pvp. I dont pvp myself in most mmo's but enjoy it in DCUO and GW1 no others didnt play DAoC till I don't know after my time in WoW and played it for 2 yrs and had fun in pvp. I didn't like PvP in AoC or Darkfall tried MO and didn't like the game at all was not my kinda game had to many bugs for me. I played SWToR and laughed cause it was like DDO almost but with 50 lvls and easier to get then the 20 in DDO. I like DDO because it had good combat in it and got bored with the constant instance runs. I like Final Fantasy games cause of story and like FFXI because you could play it at your own pace and had fun. I like Vangaurd WoW and EQ:OA because of the open world feel they have dont like zoning much but still play alot of games with it. Liked Rifts starting off then noticed it was follow the yellow brick road and then raid and run instances.
I want freedom of choice in how I play not being forced to follow the all mighty path to glory I want to make my own glory and fame not be guided through it. The rason Iplay this kinda games and will play GW2 is because it makes me feel I will have freedom to choose what and where I develope my character and not have it laid out for me allready yeah theres a main story but dont have to do it at all if I dont want to or I can do it at my own pace thats what I want not be told you have to follow the yellow brick road to OZ then spend all my time running one or 2 instances to get whats called end game gear till the next set I want more then that to be my carrot.
Sherman's Gaming
Youtube Content creator for The Elder Scrolls Online
Anyone who thinks this game is Pay to win is nothing more than a troll with no concept of how this game is developed.
I could write a long winded post on WHY but Im sure Ill get a reply back with "omg you fucking noob, have you played GW2? No? I thought so, so stfu nooby mcscrub".
So, Im just going to cut out the middle nonsense and tell you the game isn't designed the way <some> people in here think it is.... nothing from the cash shop is pay to win and you won't have to spend a dollar to be competitive in both PVE and PVP.
Multiple demos at multiple conventions, and PvP tournament. I've watched all the beta videos and not observed a significant change in the set up of renown vendors and karma/gold distribution.
If you can speculate on what the game will be like at launch based on having NOT played it, I can speculate on what it will be like based on having PLAYED it.
I know no other game has all those, oh wait , no OW PvP, no crafting, and now I can buy my way to uberness well done A Net
Explain how you can buy your way to uberness. PS. being able to buy items in the store is not buying your way to uberness.
As a bonus exercise, explain what "uberness" is in GW2.
If I can buy anything that will take someone else who can't afford to buy, time and effort I will call that uberness because i did squat to earn it. Keep defending your holy grail though it is ok, but god forbid someone does not like what A net has done.
Will you be able to use your cash to buy gear from Karma Vendors, PvP gear vendors or from Dungeon gear vendors? The answer to all of those is "NO". So keep trolling son.
Ahh yes you can, get your facts straight boy
How bout you get your facts straight and check the videos released in the press beta and not try to use a statement of 2010?
No carrot needed, because you can buy anything you want
We have a new player-driven market that allows players to trade gold for gems and gems for gold. If you want something, whether it’s an in-game item or a microtransaction, you ultimately have two ways to get it: you can play to earn gold or you can use money to buy gems. We think that’s important, because it lets more players participate on a level playing field, whether they use their free time or their disposable income to do it.
A great quote from the movie The Incredibles is very applicable to this game:
"once everyone is super, no one will be"
If everyone has the same stats, where's the incentive to play more than the next guy? Even FPS games are introducing levels and unlockable gear. It's what keeps people motivated in the virtual world.
But what if you don’t want to read flowery language and pick from a lot of dialog? What if you just want to simply kill everything and hand in some heads for a reward? No problem! We understand that not everyone wants to hone their interpersonal skills with NPC banter, but we recognize they don’t want to miss out on all the benefits either. Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma. And if you truly don’t want to be bothered reading at all, we make clear the shortest path through a conversation so you can get back to the fighting.
There, read the source. Hes talking about buying a pie or a jar of bees to throw on someone, from random farmers. Or you could supposedly get it by developing your "personality" to have a kind of reputation that will cause these NPCs to give it to you for free.
No carrot needed, because you can buy anything you want
We have a new player-driven market that allows players to trade gold for gems and gems for gold. If you want something, whether it’s an in-game item or a microtransaction, you ultimately have two ways to get it: you can play to earn gold or you can use money to buy gems. We think that’s important, because it lets more players participate on a level playing field, whether they use their free time or their disposable income to do it.
A great quote from the movie The Incredibles is very applicable to this game:
"once everyone is super, no one will be"
If everyone has the same stats, where's the incentive to play more than the next guy? Even FPS games are introducing levels and unlockable gear. It's what keeps people motivated in the virtual world.
There is unlockable gear and glory ranks in GW2 structured PvP.
People are somehow mistaking the absence of a gear treadmill for a system in which there is nothing to strive for. There are rewards for victory and skilled play in all aspects of GW2. They simply do not include an ever-increasing slew of statistical improvements. There are other ways to deliver rewards, and other ways to be recognized for one's achievements.
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So... where's the option to buy using Gold or Gems?
Karma Vendors only sell things with Karma and nothing else.
There is a difference between Rift and GW2 in that you don't really "outlevel" content. But we will see whether people notice or care about this at launch. This isn't exactly news, however, as the leveling scheme and sidekicking mechanisms have been public knowledge for years.
What don't you get about what I posted it is not hard actually, I can buy the same gear you can with Karma, what part of that don't you get?
for me it will be standing near the auctioneer.
every time i play a mmo the greed boils up in me, opportunities to make some gold ill grab with both hands. most of the times that's the reason why i quit playing, with gems it will be hard to resist this...greedy me.
THEIR SERVICES. NOT ARMOR. NOT GEAR. [mod edit]
Wait a minute. If pretty much all MMORPG's prior to GW2 involve working hard (aka grinding) and chasing a 'carrot', if these elements are not present than can we say that GW2 isn't really a proper MMORPG, but yet another new form of online game much like GW1 was?
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Why not *shock horror* have no levels?
It seems very straightforward, he even highlighted in red[mod edit]
All MMOs prior to Everquest (and arguably including EQ) weren't based on questing as the main source of content, did that make WoW not an MMO?
You never played GW1 did you, that is what their services are GEAR GEAR GEAR
Then show me where. Show me this supposed uber gear, that is better than everything else, that can be bought with gold. Because all you've done is taken out a quote from the devs blogpost, talking about personal story and now you're saying the game is P2W.
And the words he highlighted specificed services, not gear, as the rewards you can purchase with gold. In fact, I'll copy and paste it again, still highlighted in red, for anyone who missed it.
Well, have no fear because the most rewarding NPCs will, as an alternative, also sell their services for some gold if you haven’t developed your personality or earned enough karma.
Services are not gear.
+1
I play video games entirely for fun. There you go. If you get something other than fun out of games, you must have a sad sad life. Believe me, nothing you have done, are doing, or will ever do in a game will EVER mean anything.
So I see alot of I wont play this long just long enough to see the game through then shelf it till they add new content or this game has nothing to chase after. Ok which games dont have goals to complete in them name one MMO that does not have built in goals or gear grind of anykind I really can't name one that does not have this in some way. Even Champions Online which at first didn't feel gear grindy has grear grind even CoH/CoV have gear grind even Darkfall had a gear grind. What game does not have follow the quests in it I have not played an mmo that didn't have quest hub ABC follow the path game play sense well UO really EQ1 had quests but they were not path driven you did them when you reached a certain lvl but thats fine to. What will GW2 do that makes you play exploring the game world being the first to complete the dungeons and being the best at pvp. I dont pvp myself in most mmo's but enjoy it in DCUO and GW1 no others didnt play DAoC till I don't know after my time in WoW and played it for 2 yrs and had fun in pvp. I didn't like PvP in AoC or Darkfall tried MO and didn't like the game at all was not my kinda game had to many bugs for me. I played SWToR and laughed cause it was like DDO almost but with 50 lvls and easier to get then the 20 in DDO. I like DDO because it had good combat in it and got bored with the constant instance runs. I like Final Fantasy games cause of story and like FFXI because you could play it at your own pace and had fun. I like Vangaurd WoW and EQ:OA because of the open world feel they have dont like zoning much but still play alot of games with it. Liked Rifts starting off then noticed it was follow the yellow brick road and then raid and run instances.
I want freedom of choice in how I play not being forced to follow the all mighty path to glory I want to make my own glory and fame not be guided through it. The rason Iplay this kinda games and will play GW2 is because it makes me feel I will have freedom to choose what and where I develope my character and not have it laid out for me allready yeah theres a main story but dont have to do it at all if I dont want to or I can do it at my own pace thats what I want not be told you have to follow the yellow brick road to OZ then spend all my time running one or 2 instances to get whats called end game gear till the next set I want more then that to be my carrot.
Sherman's Gaming
Youtube Content creator for The Elder Scrolls Online
Channel:http://https//www.youtube.com/channel/UCrgYNgpFTRAl4XWz31o2emw
Dunno why ppl play BF3 at max level?
Some people have played GW2 at game shows.
Anyone who thinks this game is Pay to win is nothing more than a troll with no concept of how this game is developed.
I could write a long winded post on WHY but Im sure Ill get a reply back with "omg you fucking noob, have you played GW2? No? I thought so, so stfu nooby mcscrub".
So, Im just going to cut out the middle nonsense and tell you the game isn't designed the way <some> people in here think it is.... nothing from the cash shop is pay to win and you won't have to spend a dollar to be competitive in both PVE and PVP.
/end thread
Multiple demos at multiple conventions, and PvP tournament. I've watched all the beta videos and not observed a significant change in the set up of renown vendors and karma/gold distribution.
If you can speculate on what the game will be like at launch based on having NOT played it, I can speculate on what it will be like based on having PLAYED it.
Came looking for carrot. Found plenty. Thread delivers.
How bout you get your facts straight and check the videos released in the press beta and not try to use a statement of 2010?
A great quote from the movie The Incredibles is very applicable to this game:
"once everyone is super, no one will be"
If everyone has the same stats, where's the incentive to play more than the next guy? Even FPS games are introducing levels and unlockable gear. It's what keeps people motivated in the virtual world.
Aaaaand her we go again:
http://www.arena.net/blog/personality-in-guild-wars-2
There, read the source. Hes talking about buying a pie or a jar of bees to throw on someone, from random farmers. Or you could supposedly get it by developing your "personality" to have a kind of reputation that will cause these NPCs to give it to you for free.
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There is unlockable gear and glory ranks in GW2 structured PvP.
People are somehow mistaking the absence of a gear treadmill for a system in which there is nothing to strive for. There are rewards for victory and skilled play in all aspects of GW2. They simply do not include an ever-increasing slew of statistical improvements. There are other ways to deliver rewards, and other ways to be recognized for one's achievements.