That is not a good thing, shows fear, look at ArcheAge, it has no NDA! users can post videos of their own personal gameplay online, having an NDA shows a lack of confidence in your product.
Reason = Item shop
They will be experimenting with it in this beta and some leaks allready caused lot of backclash.
Yep, I agree. I really hope they aren't married to items like [mod edit] being in the CS.
Not having a pop at GW2 but an extended NDA or lack of meaningful information can tell you a lot.
It was telling the Bioware didnt drop the SWTOR NDA until virtually the last minute.
See what they were trying to hide now?
Bioware also didn't show key features like Guild Systems & Ilum and look at how that turned out. At least ArenaNet is showing all the features... including it's WvW (search youtube). They are just not letting those few random players show off unfinished stuff until after April 10th.
GW2 is still in closed beta. The NDA will drop in the open beta weekends starting next month.
Wheres the source for this information regarding open beta starting next month?.
As some people have stated why would arena net risk showing the public unfinished content, Once people are turned away for a bad reason its far more difficult to get them back.
Better to play it safe than sorry and show off the stuff that is finished and will be playable as is at launch. (i know constant adjustments are being made)
The NDA isn't to hide anything bad (eg, Ilum's inability to have more than two people on it, the dead worlds, the broken interface and mechanics.) Unlike EA, ArenaNet has been showing us this game the whole time. The NDA makes sense for a game that is trying to change the paradigm. Naturally, ArenaNet doesn't want other developers to see its hand right away.
Blizzard is already stealing ideas from ArenaNet's dynamic events system for MoP.
That is not a good thing, shows fear, look at ArcheAge, it has no NDA! users can post videos of their own personal gameplay online, having an NDA shows a lack of confidence in your product.
Reason = Item shop
They will be experimenting with it in this beta and some leaks allready caused lot of backclash.
Yep, I agree. I really hope they aren't married to items like chest keys and random loot boxes being in the CS.
Reason for NDA is obvious, you don't want terrible reviews of unfinished content to scare people away from buying your game.
The more money a studio has the more development it can put into a game, as such it is not surprising to see Blizz, a company that polishes everything to the next level because they can affort it, to have less stringent NDA's, while other companies may have stricter rules for enforcing NDA's until closer to release.
Until it releases it's their game so they can decide what to do with it in their own way, making wild assumptions based on the NDA being lifted or not is not smart.
I have tested several betas and pre ordered lots of games, sadly all the games I play for years on end are not in that category, I guess the really wise thing to do is to give a new game 3-6 months to develop and then try it out for fun if the real reviews without any hype are good.
It also has to do with your play schedule, when SWTOR came out I was having fun playing some other game so I made the right decision and didn't jump into that bandwagon, now with GW2 I am a bit more bored from what I am currently playing so I am letting myself get carried by this train, let's see where it takes me...
Also SWTOR was PVE and GW2 is PVP, I tend to favour the latter
This isn't EA's SWTOR. The NDA isn't to hide anything bad (eg, Ilum's inability to have more than two people on it, the dead worlds, the broken interface and mechanics.) Unlike EA, ArenaNet has been showing us this game the whole time. The NDA makes sense for a game that is trying to change the paradigm. Naturally, ArenaNet doesn't want other developers to see its hand right away.
Blizzard is already stealing ideas from ArenaNet's dynamic events system for MoP.
I doubt the 3 weeks will make too much difference with regards to industrial espionage, especially as all the major houses will have their own people in the closed beta.
It's simply fear, as someone said earlier probably with the cash shop controversy they are scared of losing control of the story.
The NDA isn't to hide anything bad (eg, Ilum's inability to have more than two people on it, the dead worlds, the broken interface and mechanics.) Unlike EA, ArenaNet has been showing us this game the whole time. The NDA makes sense for a game that is trying to change the paradigm. Naturally, ArenaNet doesn't want other developers to see its hand right away.
Blizzard is already stealing ideas from ArenaNet's dynamic events system for MoP.
I don't think it's about letting other developers see their hand... they've been showing enough videos (both from conventions and the press beta events) that other than the main city of asura and sylvari there isn't much still hidden (well, the item store but everyone saw it from the leaked pics already). If I had to quess it's mostly because of things that aren't finished yet and still working on, and things that might be unbalanced/annoying/broken when you get several players in the game (which is, after all, the point of a beta test, not a chance to play for free)
BTW... am I the only one that wants that hammer guy to be added as a model to appear in the game a whack away people that are banned in a very public way?...
After all, this is what happens in GW1 if you get the ban hammer..
Why is there an NDA? I dont get it? Theres no NDA for Mists of Pandaria, I am looking forward to GW2 but what could they be hiding?
Any problems in a new game, even in beta - especially one hyped as much as GW2- will cause people to overreact and bitch and moan because things are supposed to be 100% perfect months, if not YEARS before release in their minds. Funny, on this site, with the most cynical MMO players around, that this question even needed to be asked.
As with WoW, it's been out long enough that people know what's up, so they don't have to worry about it so much.
That is not a good thing, shows fear, look at ArcheAge, it has no NDA! users can post videos of their own personal gameplay online, having an NDA shows a lack of confidence in your product.
Reason = Item shop
They will be experimenting with it in this beta and some leaks allready caused lot of backclash.
Yep, I agree. I really hope they aren't married to items like chest keys and random loot boxes being in the CS.
That is not a good thing, shows fear, look at ArcheAge, it has no NDA! users can post videos of their own personal gameplay online, having an NDA shows a lack of confidence in your product.
Reason = Item shop
They will be experimenting with it in this beta and some leaks allready caused lot of backclash.
Yep, I agree. I really hope they aren't married to items like chest keys and random loot boxes being in the CS.
Thankfully nothing in there is pay 2 win, but there are still a few that are a bit sketchy.
But hey! That's what the BETA is for And probably the main reason the NDA is still in effect, ANet really wants to test what is appropriate and not for the cash shop which is fine by me.
Thankfully nothing in there is pay 2 win, but there are still a few that are a bit sketchy. But hey! That's what the BETA is for And probably the main reason the NDA is still in effect, ANet really wants to test what is appropriate and not for the cash shop which is fine by me.
That is not a good thing, shows fear, look at ArcheAge, it has no NDA! users can post videos of their own personal gameplay online, having an NDA shows a lack of confidence in your product.
So basically you're implying....Apple is scared out of their pants because they have NDA agreements. Blizzard HAS NO FAITH in their Titan mmo project.
So other mmo companies and corporations HAS no confidence with their projects/products because they have NDA agreements. What kind of sad logic is this?
The leaked CS stuff isn't too bad. There are a few iffy things but over all it's just about what I expected. Also the feedback from guru has been about 70/30 in favor of or with little to no concern (or indifferent) about the CS items.
And yeah, NDAs are used to keep the masses from needlessly getting out the pitch forks and torches too early. Also to keep development secrets from getting out and keeping competitors in the dark on their tech. and progress but GW2 is too late in it's development stages for this to matter.
Originally posted by Bunks Originally posted by Lobotomist
Originally posted by RefMinor That is not a good thing, shows fear, look at ArcheAge, it has no NDA! users can post videos of their own personal gameplay online, having an NDA shows a lack of confidence in your product.
Reason = Item shop They will be experimenting with it in this beta and some leaks allready caused lot of backclash. and well deserved. Testing to see if you can get away with unethical behavior = fail IMO
Exactly. It looks to me like they are trying to see how far they can push it.
Thankfully nothing in there is pay 2 win, but there are still a few that are a bit sketchy.
But hey! That's what the BETA is for And probably the main reason the NDA is still in effect, ANet really wants to test what is appropriate and not for the cash shop which is fine by me.
That first comment is debatable
Of course things will give you a boost, experience, magic finder (or whatever it is).
What my real question is this:
Who is really winning with the cash shop? The idiot who spends a "crap-ton" of money on items that will only boost his experience gain by 5-10% for 30 minutes-hour (I am only speculating based on the other stats of items) or the person who realizes there is no point to buying such items because everything you NEED can be obtained through progression, skill, and time. I will most certainly use the cash shop, but that will be for transmutation stones, costumes, and the megaphone of course
I wish other people would realize this, which it seems the majority don't. Buying items in the cash shop is not Pay to Win, it is Pay to LOSE, lose real life money on a video game. Once again, I will buy items with spare cash I have or buy gems with my in game gold, but those will be items I find quirky and interesting not some dumb exprerience booster that is completely useless to me considering that half the fun of the game is leveling and it should not matter (even though soooo many people think it does) who reaches the end the fastest. The only thing you have to look forward to is being bored playing twiddling your thumbs, waiting for other players to reach your level to fiinally have someone to play with.
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Again, there won't be an NDA once the open beta weekends start. Good lord people, take your tin foil hats off.
How do you know what's in the CS?
Bioware also didn't show key features like Guild Systems & Ilum and look at how that turned out. At least ArenaNet is showing all the features... including it's WvW (search youtube). They are just not letting those few random players show off unfinished stuff until after April 10th.
Wheres the source for this information regarding open beta starting next month?.
As some people have stated why would arena net risk showing the public unfinished content, Once people are turned away for a bad reason its far more difficult to get them back.
Better to play it safe than sorry and show off the stuff that is finished and will be playable as is at launch. (i know constant adjustments are being made)
Exactly. There's a good 3 weeks until the NDA drops for everyone. Not as if the game is under NDA and has a release date.
This isn't EA's SWTOR.
The NDA isn't to hide anything bad (eg, Ilum's inability to have more than two people on it, the dead worlds, the broken interface and mechanics.) Unlike EA, ArenaNet has been showing us this game the whole time. The NDA makes sense for a game that is trying to change the paradigm. Naturally, ArenaNet doesn't want other developers to see its hand right away.
Blizzard is already stealing ideas from ArenaNet's dynamic events system for MoP.
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
It was leaked few days ago
Reason for NDA is obvious, you don't want terrible reviews of unfinished content to scare people away from buying your game.
The more money a studio has the more development it can put into a game, as such it is not surprising to see Blizz, a company that polishes everything to the next level because they can affort it, to have less stringent NDA's, while other companies may have stricter rules for enforcing NDA's until closer to release.
Until it releases it's their game so they can decide what to do with it in their own way, making wild assumptions based on the NDA being lifted or not is not smart.
I have tested several betas and pre ordered lots of games, sadly all the games I play for years on end are not in that category, I guess the really wise thing to do is to give a new game 3-6 months to develop and then try it out for fun if the real reviews without any hype are good.
It also has to do with your play schedule, when SWTOR came out I was having fun playing some other game so I made the right decision and didn't jump into that bandwagon, now with GW2 I am a bit more bored from what I am currently playing so I am letting myself get carried by this train, let's see where it takes me...
Also SWTOR was PVE and GW2 is PVP, I tend to favour the latter
I doubt the 3 weeks will make too much difference with regards to industrial espionage, especially as all the major houses will have their own people in the closed beta.
It's simply fear, as someone said earlier probably with the cash shop controversy they are scared of losing control of the story.I don't think it's about letting other developers see their hand... they've been showing enough videos (both from conventions and the press beta events) that other than the main city of asura and sylvari there isn't much still hidden (well, the item store but everyone saw it from the leaked pics already). If I had to quess it's mostly because of things that aren't finished yet and still working on, and things that might be unbalanced/annoying/broken when you get several players in the game (which is, after all, the point of a beta test, not a chance to play for free)
BTW... am I the only one that wants that hammer guy to be added as a model to appear in the game a whack away people that are banned in a very public way?...
After all, this is what happens in GW1 if you get the ban hammer..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6bZSpQHxU
What can men do against such reckless hate?
Any problems in a new game, even in beta - especially one hyped as much as GW2- will cause people to overreact and bitch and moan because things are supposed to be 100% perfect months, if not YEARS before release in their minds. Funny, on this site, with the most cynical MMO players around, that this question even needed to be asked.
As with WoW, it's been out long enough that people know what's up, so they don't have to worry about it so much.
Well a very LARGE amount of PvE as well, moreso then PvP. A nice, hearty dose of RP as well.
Should be a great game for all
Thank you
NDA officially dorps on Monday for the press I believe.
Word is that the game is still a bit iffy. Hopefully they fix the major issues by Sunday so everyone can experience a full day of satisfying gaming.
Certainly things in that CS that i dont like.
Just as well im not worked up for this game !
Thankfully nothing in there is pay 2 win, but there are still a few that are a bit sketchy.
But hey! That's what the BETA is for
And probably the main reason the NDA is still in effect, ANet really wants to test what is appropriate and not for the cash shop which is fine by me.
That first comment is debatableSo basically you're implying....Apple is scared out of their pants because they have NDA agreements. Blizzard HAS NO FAITH in their Titan mmo project.
So other mmo companies and corporations HAS no confidence with their projects/products because they have NDA agreements. What kind of sad logic is this?
I wish there were mandatory NDAs on trolls.
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
The leaked CS stuff isn't too bad. There are a few iffy things but over all it's just about what I expected. Also the feedback from guru has been about 70/30 in favor of or with little to no concern (or indifferent) about the CS items.
And yeah, NDAs are used to keep the masses from needlessly getting out the pitch forks and torches too early. Also to keep development secrets from getting out and keeping competitors in the dark on their tech. and progress but GW2 is too late in it's development stages for this to matter.
killhut, might want to delete that post with the CS leak. I got banned for that the other day.
They will be experimenting with it in this beta and some leaks allready caused lot of backclash.
and well deserved. Testing to see if you can get away with unethical behavior = fail IMO
Exactly. It looks to me like they are trying to see how far they can push it.
Of course things will give you a boost, experience, magic finder (or whatever it is).
What my real question is this:
Who is really winning with the cash shop? The idiot who spends a "crap-ton" of money on items that will only boost his experience gain by 5-10% for 30 minutes-hour (I am only speculating based on the other stats of items) or the person who realizes there is no point to buying such items because everything you NEED can be obtained through progression, skill, and time. I will most certainly use the cash shop, but that will be for transmutation stones, costumes, and the megaphone of course
I wish other people would realize this, which it seems the majority don't. Buying items in the cash shop is not Pay to Win, it is Pay to LOSE, lose real life money on a video game. Once again, I will buy items with spare cash I have or buy gems with my in game gold, but those will be items I find quirky and interesting not some dumb exprerience booster that is completely useless to me considering that half the fun of the game is leveling and it should not matter (even though soooo many people think it does) who reaches the end the fastest. The only thing you have to look forward to is being bored playing twiddling your thumbs, waiting for other players to reach your level to fiinally have someone to play with.
/END WALL OF TEXT AND RANT
Thanks for the heads up Bunks, but it is not against the NDA as reported on GW2Guru, since it was posted BEFORE the NDA went into effect.
The reason these games have NDA's is because they don't want people to know how crappy their game truly is.