How are people STILL not getting it that you CANNOT buy epic loot on the cash shop. Nothing leaked so far shows this. None of the beta footage even shows the cash shop. It's simply not there to worry about. If they somehow do introduce this, I'll be right there with you, but THEY HAVE SHOWN that there is little in the cash shop besides cosmetics, storage, and some novelty items.
I get the inherent distruct of RMT, and for the most part I agree, but I've experienced this developer through GW1 (which also has a cash shop) and never once felt compelled to buy anything off of it. Furthermore, they have (to this day) stuck to their guns, and seem to be one of the only studios out there willing to take risks that benefit the players. Punishing them for something so stupid is /facepalm worthy on epic proportions. Furthermore (based on what they have shown us) switching to a subscription model would guaruntee that ALL OF US will be paying MORE MONEY per month for this game, than what they have currently.
This isn't SOE, or EA. I think the world has enough SOE & EA, I'd rather give Anet the benefit of the doubt, and stick to constructive criticism. All this uproar over a feature that has been posted for over a year now is really getting old. I guess people just dont have anything better to talk about =/.
Really people? You can't read this and feel like Anet really, really "gets it?"
"“Punch number one is that Guild Wars is not that kind of game anyway – Guild Wars is not a grindy game, and Guild Wars is not a game where your success is dependant on whether you have the right gear.
If I’m a player who can play the game a lot and there’s something I want, I don’t need to pay for it. If I’m a player who can’t play the game a lot, but I want things in the game also, I can spend money on microtransactions.”
“The reaction we expect from the world is scepticism. It should be that way because there are a lot of games out there that are doing really dicey things with microtransactions. We hold ourselves to high standards, and as we’ve tested things, we’ve put this stuff in front of our core beta test group and said, ‘you guys should be holding us to [those] high standards.’”
ArenaNet are taking a chance on the fact that convincing players to spend money in-game will be better, in the long run, than coercing them.
“We’re betting our entire company on Guild Wars 2, and so we need to have the relationship with our fans where we’re giving content that people value. If people value the work that we’re doing, then they’re going to pay for the work that we’re doing.”""
Haters and fanboi's aside, NO ONE KNOWS what will REALLY be in the cash shop when it launches, saying "we are in for a special treat" is a line of crap, are you part of the CS dev team? no you are not, and neither am i, maybee it is a P2W game, honestly i don't care, i do know one thing, what ever is in the CS i will buy to support ANet, ONLY if the game is good, cause if it IS good, then they deserve a payday beyond box sales, other than that all these forums after forums after forums are SPECULATIONS from BOTH sides of the fence. Give me a picture of the CS that ANet said, "Yes, THIS is what will be in our CS", then i will believe what ever case it is. Only reason i doubt it is P2W is ANet keeps saying over and over what their "goal" is for the CS. but it seems only pro-GW2 people can actually find those sentences, yes i'm excited for GW2, no i'm not pro cash shop, im a little worried, BUT it's not like it's EA we are talking about, so i can give ANet a little bit of credibility.
No its not EA were talking about, but then again its not like Anet has the final say in the matter either. That balls in NcSoft court if the cash shop doesn't bring in enough money in its current state. If people who spend cash don't feel their getting enough bang for their buck they will force changes to the cash shop. NcSoft cash shops outside of GW tend not to share the same values Anet is preaching.
Anet can talk about their goals all day long, but NcSoft has goals of their own. And since they own Anet, NcSoft goals> Anet goals. And its pretty hard not to see NcSoft's influence in the current leaked items.
That's simply not true. NCSoft has owned ArenaNet since the very beginning. YET ArenaNet did a fantastic job with GW1.
Whats not true about it? Yeah they gave Anet freedom in the past, however Anet never devoloped a game with a budget. Simply put Anet needs to make money for NcSoft to allow that freedom. No way is NcSoft gonna be happy with box sales alone.
If this cash shop does not perform to NcSoft's expectation they will force changes. Thats just the way things go in business. Yesterday you did great, now today you need to do better then that. Its always about more money.
GW1 had a fraction of the cost of gw2 devolopment wise.
Did you ever think maybe the reason the cash shop has already gone beyond what GW1 offered is because NcSoft has already stepped in. I mean 3 months ago it was cosmetic items only was all that would be offered.
I can understand why ppl use EVE as the yard stick. Its not that successful of a game based on sub numbers. Having played EVE for 6 years its a great way to pay for you monthtly sub and nothing more.
Haters and fanboi's aside, NO ONE KNOWS what will REALLY be in the cash shop when it launches, saying "we are in for a special treat" is a line of crap, are you part of the CS dev team? no you are not, and neither am i, maybee it is a P2W game, honestly i don't care, i do know one thing, what ever is in the CS i will buy to support ANet, ONLY if the game is good, cause if it IS good, then they deserve a payday beyond box sales, other than that all these forums after forums after forums are SPECULATIONS from BOTH sides of the fence. Give me a picture of the CS that ANet said, "Yes, THIS is what will be in our CS", then i will believe what ever case it is. Only reason i doubt it is P2W is ANet keeps saying over and over what their "goal" is for the CS. but it seems only pro-GW2 people can actually find those sentences, yes i'm excited for GW2, no i'm not pro cash shop, im a little worried, BUT it's not like it's EA we are talking about, so i can give ANet a little bit of credibility.
No its not EA were talking about, but then again its not like Anet has the final say in the matter either. That balls in NcSoft court if the cash shop doesn't bring in enough money in its current state. If people who spend cash don't feel their getting enough bang for their buck they will force changes to the cash shop. NcSoft cash shops outside of GW tend not to share the same values Anet is preaching.
Anet can talk about their goals all day long, but NcSoft has goals of their own. And since they own Anet, NcSoft goals> Anet goals. And its pretty hard not to see NcSoft's influence in the current leaked items.
That's simply not true. NCSoft has owned ArenaNet since the very beginning. YET ArenaNet did a fantastic job with GW1.
Whats not true about it? Yeah they gave Anet freedom in the past, however Anet never devoloped a game with a budget. Simply put Anet needs to make money for NcSoft to allow that freedom. No way is NcSoft gonna be happy with box sales alone.
If this cash shop does not perform to NcSoft's expectation they will force changes. Thats just the way things go in business. Yesterday you did great, now today you need to do better then that. Its always about more money.
GW1 had a fraction of the cost of gw2 devolopment wise.
Did you ever think maybe the reason the cash shop has already gone beyond what GW1 offered is because NcSoft has already stepped in. I mean 3 months ago it was cosmetic items only was all that would be offered.
ArenaNet did develop a game with budget. Guild Wars 1?
ArenaNet will make money through box sales and expansions and cosmetic items from the shop.
Yes, because forcing ArenaNet into selling epic items on their shop will boost their revenues? Why do you guys assume that these companies are so stupid. They have a better idea of what they're doing than most players anyway. Every decision is made after careful consideration.
I am not so sure about. It's probably more but by what margin no one can say (except ArenaNet of course)s
So what's different now? As far as I know they are still selling mostly cosmetic items. By the looks of it, you will never be forced to buy anything from the shop to enjoy the game.
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Whats not true about it? Yeah they gave Anet freedom in the past, however Anet never devoloped a game with a budget. Simply put Anet needs to make money for NcSoft to allow that freedom. No way is NcSoft gonna be happy with box sales alone. If this cash shop does not perform to NcSoft's expectation they will force changes. Thats just the way things go in business. Yesterday you did great, now today you need to do better then that. Its always about more money. GW1 had a fraction of the cost of gw2 devolopment wise. Did you ever think maybe the reason the cash shop has already gone beyond what GW1 offered is because NcSoft has already stepped in. I mean 3 months ago it was cosmetic items only was all that would be offered.
Unfortunately, most in these boards only see NcSoft is a silent partner
So what's different now? As far as I know they are still selling mostly cosmetic items. By the looks of it, you will never be forced to buy anything from the shop to enjoy the game.
Did you even read the linked article? Not even 30 comments down and you have a small list of CS items, and a follow up that states they add stats. Whether you choose to believe it or not at this point is up to you.
I never thought I'd see the day when players in the MMO community would actually defend cash shops in a mainstream MMO.
I guess times are changing.... and for the worst.
no me either Mythios11. And in my opinion it is a change for the worse. Why on worth should microtransactions magically unite the community? That is a rather odd assumption and if anything it seems to be doing the opposite.
Every boost you get for PvE affects PvP since the WvWvW is played with your PvE toons.
Structured pvp is like 5% of the game, so I wouldn't find it acceptable if CS messes with 95% of the game :j Also I'm quite sure we'll see a boost for the structured pvp currency aswell.
"Microtransactions should unite the community" is just defending a silly design.
Haters and fanboi's aside, NO ONE KNOWS what will REALLY be in the cash shop when it launches, saying "we are in for a special treat" is a line of crap, are you part of the CS dev team? no you are not, and neither am i, maybee it is a P2W game, honestly i don't care, i do know one thing, what ever is in the CS i will buy to support ANet, ONLY if the game is good, cause if it IS good, then they deserve a payday beyond box sales, other than that all these forums after forums after forums are SPECULATIONS from BOTH sides of the fence. Give me a picture of the CS that ANet said, "Yes, THIS is what will be in our CS", then i will believe what ever case it is. Only reason i doubt it is P2W is ANet keeps saying over and over what their "goal" is for the CS. but it seems only pro-GW2 people can actually find those sentences, yes i'm excited for GW2, no i'm not pro cash shop, im a little worried, BUT it's not like it's EA we are talking about, so i can give ANet a little bit of credibility.
No its not EA were talking about, but then again its not like Anet has the final say in the matter either. That balls in NcSoft court if the cash shop doesn't bring in enough money in its current state. If people who spend cash don't feel their getting enough bang for their buck they will force changes to the cash shop. NcSoft cash shops outside of GW tend not to share the same values Anet is preaching.
Anet can talk about their goals all day long, but NcSoft has goals of their own. And since they own Anet, NcSoft goals> Anet goals. And its pretty hard not to see NcSoft's influence in the current leaked items.
That's simply not true. NCSoft has owned ArenaNet since the very beginning. YET ArenaNet did a fantastic job with GW1.
Whats not true about it? Yeah they gave Anet freedom in the past, however Anet never devoloped a game with a budget. Simply put Anet needs to make money for NcSoft to allow that freedom. No way is NcSoft gonna be happy with box sales alone.
If this cash shop does not perform to NcSoft's expectation they will force changes. Thats just the way things go in business. Yesterday you did great, now today you need to do better then that. Its always about more money.
GW1 had a fraction of the cost of gw2 devolopment wise.
Did you ever think maybe the reason the cash shop has already gone beyond what GW1 offered is because NcSoft has already stepped in. I mean 3 months ago it was cosmetic items only was all that would be offered.
ArenaNet did develop a game with budget. Guild Wars 1?
ArenaNet will make money through box sales and expansions and cosmetic items from the shop.
Yes, because forcing ArenaNet into selling epic items on their shop will boost their revenues? Why do you guys assume that these companies are so stupid. They have a better idea of what they're doing than most players anyway. Every decision is made after careful consideration.
I am not so sure about. It's probably more but by what margin no one can say (except ArenaNet of course)s
So what's different now? As far as I know they are still selling mostly cosmetic items. By the looks of it, you will never be forced to buy anything from the shop to enjoy the game.
Buying Gold? The fact that in Anets own words this shop is integrated into the game itself rather then something thats tacked on.
And as far as devolopment costs, if you think the cost of devoloping a game in 2 years versus taking 5+ years is anywhere near the same your not thinking the through. Just in salary for devolopers alone its over double not to mention Anet is alot bigger now then when they worked on GW1. Thats not including the increased costs of devoloping that has affected the entire industry.
The reason GW was the way it was with the instancing, was because they did not have the budget to make the game like they wanted to.
And I never said NcSoft was stupid, I said they were a corporation with goals they expect their subsidary to achieve. If they don't achieve those goals they will look at ways to achieve them. They've already abandoned selling "mostly" cosmetic stuff, there was less cosmetic stuff then there was 'conveinence items' in those leaked items. I'm sure they'll add more...but they weren't happy with the sales of just cosmetic stuff in GW1 hence the reason the started selling the skill unlocks.
Yeah, cash shop's are never a good thing. The reason they exist is only because players have allowed them to exist, and the profit they provide these companies is purely ancillary. What does that mean? They're getting richer for providing you something that used to come with your subscription, or in the case of Guild Wars, came with your fucking box purchase.
Wanna know why the gaming community isn't united for the grand ol' cause of microtransactions? Because the only people who benefit are the developers, and the players are forced to pay more for something that was previously expected to come with their product. Even cosmetic items, as harmless as they are to the game world, simply give developers more creativity in the ways in which they charge you now, and expands upon the possibilities of new, undiscovered ways in which to fuck us monetarily.
Did you guys ever read that child's book, "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie"? The premise is pretty easy to understand, regardless, but if you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
I cannot believe so many people are having issues with microtransactions when no one has even played the game yet to see what will be in the store and how easy it is to get in the game.
Learn to get all the facts before making a bevy of foolish statements that you can't support with any facts.
For people who never enjoyed a a cash shop game same gw2 goes, they should try PWI or RUNES OF MAGIC, they will understand why this system faill so badly..i think sell the game and expansions should be eneuf for them dont you think?
I cannot believe so many people are having issues with microtransactions when no one has even played the game yet to see what will be in the store and how easy it is to get in the game.
Learn to get all the facts before making a bevy of foolish statements that you can't support with any facts.
You do know there's a beta going on, right?
There was leaked info that showed some of what is in the current version of the cash shop. Some of it was questionable, and there's possibly more considering it wasn't an entire view of the whole cash shop.
After reading the entire article: No, I think Mike is wrong.
Trying to balance no lifers and people with jobs that pay microtransactions does not really work.
They already had it right with GW where it didn't matter that much if you played 5 hours a week or 40, the important thing was how good you play.
While I am looking forward to GW I think it is really bad for Anet that strain left. Not only was he their (and before them Blizzards) top programmer, he was also the guy who pushed for B2P. It was just after he quit that they started to sell costumes and junk in GW1.
I still wouldn't call this pay2win or anything but it ain't a step in the right direction.
After reading the entire article: No, I think Mike is wrong.
Trying to balance no lifers and people with jobs that pay microtransactions does not really work.
They already had it right with GW where it didn't matter that much if you played 5 hours a week or 40, the important thing was how good you play.
While I am looking forward to GW I think it is really bad for Anet that strain left. Not only was he their (and before them Blizzards) top programmer, he was also the guy who pushed for B2P. It was just after he quit that they started to sell costumes and junk in GW1.
I still wouldn't call this pay2win or anything but it ain't a step in the right direction.
This is something I've said before and agree with.. Not just strain though, but Patrick as well. Before these were the guys who ANet pretty much reported to at NcSoft West when they restructured. And these guys of course shared the same vision being guys who founded Anet along with Mike. Now instead of having those two as a buffer to any possible NcSoft influence, any influence or pressure falls directly on MIke.
Its always struck me as odd that those 3 left blizzard to found anet to pretty much fulfill a dream of a better pricing policy for their customers. Due to a limited budget they made GW instead of a full fledged mmo (a great game mind you I still play). But Gw2 was supposed to be a realization of that dream and while they weren't working directly on it I'd have thought they'd have atleast stayed long enough to see it through.
Now instead of seeing that dream through ones making console games for MS. And the other is COO of en masse getting read to launch a sub based game.
There are 2 different kinds of P2W models I am familiar with. In a game where use currency to buy items of power, the model is about as basic as it gets. Anything from the cash shop that can be sold in game equals power.
However, there are other games where the "power" or "advantage" is not actually sold in the Cash Shop.
The power or advantage is in the game and is acquired through normal game play/grinding and/or farming.
So Cash Shop users and Non-Cash Shop users both end up with the same gear and items.
The difference is that the cash shop sells "Items of convenience" That allow the player using it to have higher success rates or some type of greater conversion rate, a greater bonus when applied or simply find more of the items more often.
The point is, that in these games it's much more subtle. Best example that comes to mind is Rappelz with regard to Staging pets.
Big huge honkin red flags of a P2W system are RNG modifiers.
I am willing to watch where this goes.
But I can't just say It's all good. Not until I see the economy sinks and the "mechanics of inconvenience" to remind me of the "items of convenience" in the cash shop.
I can t believe how naive all the gw2 fanboys have become. Don t u Get that this company needs to make money. That is buisness. Investors want a return on the money they invested. Ofcourse the cash shop will want to drain the players as they want your money. They didnt make this game for you 2 Play free. Wake up. Ofcourse they ll sell p2w items. Thats what makes money!!!!! and many many Are happy to pay as they dont have the time to grind.
I can t believe how naive all the gw2 fanboys have become. Don t u Get that this company needs to make money. That is buisness. Investors want a return on the money they invested. Ofcourse the cash shop will want to drain the players as they want your money. They didnt make this game for you 2 Play free. Wake up. Ofcourse they ll sell p2w items. Thats what makes money!!!!! and many many Are happy to pay as they dont have the time to grind.
I can t believe how naive all the gw2 fanboys have become. Don t u Get that this company needs to make money. That is buisness. Investors want a return on the money they invested. Ofcourse the cash shop will want to drain the players as they want your money. They didnt make this game for you 2 Play free. Wake up. Ofcourse they ll sell p2w items. Thats what makes money!!!!! and many many Are happy to pay as they dont have the time to grind.
I don't know if its so much being Naive as it is desperate for the product, because it does bring in some new stuff as well as improve other things.
Really instead of saying 'you'll be able to get ingame anything thats in the cash shop so it doesn't matter whats in the shop"
they could have just said "your so desperate for this game it doesn't matter what we put in the cash shop"
Then they can write posts on how amazing Anet is because they understand there fans so well.
I think what you meant to say was Microtransactions Should Unite the Competitive Community. You whiners about having a fair competition, I hope you ultimately get your servers cause I don't want to play with your elitist attitude mentality where you think you are more entitled than everybody else. I just play to have fun, not make the game always about fair competition. Nothing in life is fair. I can just see it now the chat being spammed when the game releases asking for servers that you have to pay a reoccuring fee to access. Do you seriously want to keep paying more money? Are you insane? Not much difference in paying $14.99 a month non reoccuring, than a $14.99 reoccuring fee. What if it balanced out? I guess for some of you old habits die hard. You just can't seem to break out of the mentality that this gives access to players that you would otherwise not get to play with in the end. I could still be playing WoW, but do you know why I am not? It's because of the reoccuring fee. Would there be at least one person playing in WoW right now that could use my help? Of course. So who is really missing out?
Main thing for me is that the cash shop doesnt offer gear that greatly affects pvp.
So some good news, firstly it wont, secondly you can get pvp gear without too much hassle just by doing pvp and thirdly gear isnt going to have much impact in pvp as its mainly player skill based.
One thing this game isnt for pvp is Pay to Win. Your actually not going to be able to blame losing in pvp on gear imbalance, a cash shop, the enemy having classes / races you cant get, higher levels or to some extent even being zerged.
You still wont ever see a player admitting they lost because the other players were better though always some excuse ... alhtough in this game I'm not sure what
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WOW, just WOW.
How are people STILL not getting it that you CANNOT buy epic loot on the cash shop. Nothing leaked so far shows this. None of the beta footage even shows the cash shop. It's simply not there to worry about. If they somehow do introduce this, I'll be right there with you, but THEY HAVE SHOWN that there is little in the cash shop besides cosmetics, storage, and some novelty items.
I get the inherent distruct of RMT, and for the most part I agree, but I've experienced this developer through GW1 (which also has a cash shop) and never once felt compelled to buy anything off of it. Furthermore, they have (to this day) stuck to their guns, and seem to be one of the only studios out there willing to take risks that benefit the players. Punishing them for something so stupid is /facepalm worthy on epic proportions. Furthermore (based on what they have shown us) switching to a subscription model would guaruntee that ALL OF US will be paying MORE MONEY per month for this game, than what they have currently.
This isn't SOE, or EA. I think the world has enough SOE & EA, I'd rather give Anet the benefit of the doubt, and stick to constructive criticism. All this uproar over a feature that has been posted for over a year now is really getting old. I guess people just dont have anything better to talk about =/.
Really people? You can't read this and feel like Anet really, really "gets it?"
"“Punch number one is that Guild Wars is not that kind of game anyway – Guild Wars is not a grindy game, and Guild Wars is not a game where your success is dependant on whether you have the right gear.
If I’m a player who can play the game a lot and there’s something I want, I don’t need to pay for it. If I’m a player who can’t play the game a lot, but I want things in the game also, I can spend money on microtransactions.”
“The reaction we expect from the world is scepticism. It should be that way because there are a lot of games out there that are doing really dicey things with microtransactions. We hold ourselves to high standards, and as we’ve tested things, we’ve put this stuff in front of our core beta test group and said, ‘you guys should be holding us to [those] high standards.’”
ArenaNet are taking a chance on the fact that convincing players to spend money in-game will be better, in the long run, than coercing them.
“We’re betting our entire company on Guild Wars 2, and so we need to have the relationship with our fans where we’re giving content that people value. If people value the work that we’re doing, then they’re going to pay for the work that we’re doing.”""
Whats not true about it? Yeah they gave Anet freedom in the past, however Anet never devoloped a game with a budget. Simply put Anet needs to make money for NcSoft to allow that freedom. No way is NcSoft gonna be happy with box sales alone.
If this cash shop does not perform to NcSoft's expectation they will force changes. Thats just the way things go in business. Yesterday you did great, now today you need to do better then that. Its always about more money.
GW1 had a fraction of the cost of gw2 devolopment wise.
Did you ever think maybe the reason the cash shop has already gone beyond what GW1 offered is because NcSoft has already stepped in. I mean 3 months ago it was cosmetic items only was all that would be offered.
I can understand why ppl use EVE as the yard stick. Its not that successful of a game based on sub numbers. Having played EVE for 6 years its a great way to pay for you monthtly sub and nothing more.
The Gaming Community Can Kiss My Arse
ArenaNet did develop a game with budget. Guild Wars 1?
ArenaNet will make money through box sales and expansions and cosmetic items from the shop.
Yes, because forcing ArenaNet into selling epic items on their shop will boost their revenues? Why do you guys assume that these companies are so stupid. They have a better idea of what they're doing than most players anyway. Every decision is made after careful consideration.
I am not so sure about. It's probably more but by what margin no one can say (except ArenaNet of course)s
So what's different now? As far as I know they are still selling mostly cosmetic items. By the looks of it, you will never be forced to buy anything from the shop to enjoy the game.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
I never thought I'd see the day when players in the MMO community would actually defend cash shops in a mainstream MMO.
I guess times are changing.... and for the worst.
I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for now.
Did you even read the linked article? Not even 30 comments down and you have a small list of CS items, and a follow up that states they add stats. Whether you choose to believe it or not at this point is up to you.
My problem is not exp boost but the karma boost that you need it for the last armor, i personally prefer gw2 goes in p2p model than a p2w model.
no me either Mythios11.
And in my opinion it is a change for the worse. Why on worth should microtransactions magically unite the community? That is a rather odd assumption and if anything it seems to be doing the opposite.
the poster formerly known as melangel :P
Every boost you get for PvE affects PvP since the WvWvW is played with your PvE toons.
Structured pvp is like 5% of the game, so I wouldn't find it acceptable if CS messes with 95% of the game :j Also I'm quite sure we'll see a boost for the structured pvp currency aswell.
"Microtransactions should unite the community" is just defending a silly design.
Buying Gold? The fact that in Anets own words this shop is integrated into the game itself rather then something thats tacked on.
And as far as devolopment costs, if you think the cost of devoloping a game in 2 years versus taking 5+ years is anywhere near the same your not thinking the through. Just in salary for devolopers alone its over double not to mention Anet is alot bigger now then when they worked on GW1. Thats not including the increased costs of devoloping that has affected the entire industry.
The reason GW was the way it was with the instancing, was because they did not have the budget to make the game like they wanted to.
And I never said NcSoft was stupid, I said they were a corporation with goals they expect their subsidary to achieve. If they don't achieve those goals they will look at ways to achieve them. They've already abandoned selling "mostly" cosmetic stuff, there was less cosmetic stuff then there was 'conveinence items' in those leaked items. I'm sure they'll add more...but they weren't happy with the sales of just cosmetic stuff in GW1 hence the reason the started selling the skill unlocks.
Yeah, cash shop's are never a good thing. The reason they exist is only because players have allowed them to exist, and the profit they provide these companies is purely ancillary. What does that mean? They're getting richer for providing you something that used to come with your subscription, or in the case of Guild Wars, came with your fucking box purchase.
Wanna know why the gaming community isn't united for the grand ol' cause of microtransactions? Because the only people who benefit are the developers, and the players are forced to pay more for something that was previously expected to come with their product. Even cosmetic items, as harmless as they are to the game world, simply give developers more creativity in the ways in which they charge you now, and expands upon the possibilities of new, undiscovered ways in which to fuck us monetarily.
Did you guys ever read that child's book, "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie"? The premise is pretty easy to understand, regardless, but if you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk.
"This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!" -Bernard Black (Dylan Moran)
I cannot believe so many people are having issues with microtransactions when no one has even played the game yet to see what will be in the store and how easy it is to get in the game.
Learn to get all the facts before making a bevy of foolish statements that you can't support with any facts.
For people who never enjoyed a a cash shop game same gw2 goes, they should try PWI or RUNES OF MAGIC, they will understand why this system faill so badly..i think sell the game and expansions should be eneuf for them dont you think?
You do know there's a beta going on, right?
There was leaked info that showed some of what is in the current version of the cash shop. Some of it was questionable, and there's possibly more considering it wasn't an entire view of the whole cash shop.
After reading the entire article: No, I think Mike is wrong.
Trying to balance no lifers and people with jobs that pay microtransactions does not really work.
They already had it right with GW where it didn't matter that much if you played 5 hours a week or 40, the important thing was how good you play.
While I am looking forward to GW I think it is really bad for Anet that strain left. Not only was he their (and before them Blizzards) top programmer, he was also the guy who pushed for B2P. It was just after he quit that they started to sell costumes and junk in GW1.
I still wouldn't call this pay2win or anything but it ain't a step in the right direction.
This is something I've said before and agree with.. Not just strain though, but Patrick as well. Before these were the guys who ANet pretty much reported to at NcSoft West when they restructured. And these guys of course shared the same vision being guys who founded Anet along with Mike. Now instead of having those two as a buffer to any possible NcSoft influence, any influence or pressure falls directly on MIke.
Its always struck me as odd that those 3 left blizzard to found anet to pretty much fulfill a dream of a better pricing policy for their customers. Due to a limited budget they made GW instead of a full fledged mmo (a great game mind you I still play). But Gw2 was supposed to be a realization of that dream and while they weren't working directly on it I'd have thought they'd have atleast stayed long enough to see it through.
Now instead of seeing that dream through ones making console games for MS. And the other is COO of en masse getting read to launch a sub based game.
There are 2 different kinds of P2W models I am familiar with.
In a game where use currency to buy items of power, the model is about as basic as it gets. Anything from the cash shop that can be sold in game equals power.
However, there are other games where the "power" or "advantage" is not actually sold in the Cash Shop.
The power or advantage is in the game and is acquired through normal game play/grinding and/or farming.
So Cash Shop users and Non-Cash Shop users both end up with the same gear and items.
The difference is that the cash shop sells "Items of convenience" That allow the player using it to have higher success rates or some type of greater conversion rate, a greater bonus when applied or simply find more of the items more often.
The point is, that in these games it's much more subtle.
Best example that comes to mind is Rappelz with regard to Staging pets.
Big huge honkin red flags of a P2W system are RNG modifiers.
I am willing to watch where this goes.
But I can't just say It's all good. Not until I see the economy sinks and the "mechanics of inconvenience" to remind me of the "items of convenience" in the cash shop.
So it begins
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/592416
OP like p2w games, thats a sad reality.
I don't know if its so much being Naive as it is desperate for the product, because it does bring in some new stuff as well as improve other things.
Really instead of saying 'you'll be able to get ingame anything thats in the cash shop so it doesn't matter whats in the shop"
they could have just said "your so desperate for this game it doesn't matter what we put in the cash shop"
Then they can write posts on how amazing Anet is because they understand there fans so well.
I think what you meant to say was Microtransactions Should Unite the Competitive Community. You whiners about having a fair competition, I hope you ultimately get your servers cause I don't want to play with your elitist attitude mentality where you think you are more entitled than everybody else. I just play to have fun, not make the game always about fair competition. Nothing in life is fair. I can just see it now the chat being spammed when the game releases asking for servers that you have to pay a reoccuring fee to access. Do you seriously want to keep paying more money? Are you insane? Not much difference in paying $14.99 a month non reoccuring, than a $14.99 reoccuring fee. What if it balanced out? I guess for some of you old habits die hard. You just can't seem to break out of the mentality that this gives access to players that you would otherwise not get to play with in the end. I could still be playing WoW, but do you know why I am not? It's because of the reoccuring fee. Would there be at least one person playing in WoW right now that could use my help? Of course. So who is really missing out?
Main thing for me is that the cash shop doesnt offer gear that greatly affects pvp.
So some good news, firstly it wont, secondly you can get pvp gear without too much hassle just by doing pvp and thirdly gear isnt going to have much impact in pvp as its mainly player skill based.
One thing this game isnt for pvp is Pay to Win. Your actually not going to be able to blame losing in pvp on gear imbalance, a cash shop, the enemy having classes / races you cant get, higher levels or to some extent even being zerged.
You still wont ever see a player admitting they lost because the other players were better though
always some excuse ... alhtough in this game I'm not sure what