Actually i´m hypped for what they already have working "in game"....
I mean...they are just promoting what is implemented in the game... not selling ideas...or promises....
There are plenty of gameplays videos on the net....and upcoming Beta events to try it for yourself
I´m hyped for what there is.
I´m buying on day one.
Understand what your saying bud, but what you have to realize is there is a massive difference from watching a gameplay video to actually playing the game itself. SWTOR looks, in my opinion, fun to play, however playing it was incredibly boring.
We'll all find out this year though I guess.
EDIT: Not everyone will be able to take part in the Beta events, therefore using gameplay videos as their only source to make an opinion on the game.
But have to say, some gameplay videos make the game look pretty awful, but others make it look truely epic.
Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you. :OP
I just dont see why a company with that much money, and such vast percentage more customers, would bother. Hell with their income they could just hire a team of ninjas to storm their competitior's offices.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you. :OP
I just dont see why a company with that much money, and such vast percentage more customers, would bother. Hell with their income they could just hire a team of ninjas to storm their competitior's offices.
Because smearing your competition tends to be far more effective, and legal, then literally hiring people to kill them?
Why publicly destroy someone, when you could spend less money forcing them to destroy themselves? Hire some kids to raid the games forums, making a mod's life a living hell. You can buy that on the cheap.
However, I doubt any company would have a 'department' for this. Can you imagine the lunch conversations 'hey what do you do here?' 'Oh.. I destroy other people's games', wouldn't be very good for morale. It's usually the type of thing you hire a 3rd party to do for you, usually in a 'don't ask, don't tell' type of relationship.
...there is a massive difference from watching a gameplay video to actually playing the game itself. SWTOR looks, in my opinion, fun to play, however playing it was incredibly boring. ....
SWTOR gameplay vids looked amazingly boring to me from the first one I saw, which was the Esseles flashpoint (downloaded it in HD and still have it).
Charr: Outta my way. Human: What's your problem? Charr: Your thin skin.
Yes, i will be waiting for atleast 3 months. After playing MMO's for 12 years i really don't get hyped by anything any more. I will wait for reviews, player responses etc. and after that decide if i'm going to buy it or not. Playing the first week or month can be a real pain, while developers are usually still repearing some critical bugs and there is just to many people playing at once.
I definitely get where the OP is coming from and i generally apply a similar logic these days in my game buying ventures but since it is B2P GW2 does not warrant a wait and see approach in my book..
Another important factor for me is getting a hands on before buying most games and i have been fortunate to get to play GW2 and every indication and feel to me is that the hype is not hype at all...
For as little as $60 pre-purchase is a no brainer to me even if i had not got to try it first because anet being a relative new kid on the block with one awesome release has not yet destroyed my confidence in them to deliver and hopefully they never do..
Games that are on hold for months (wait and see) if ever due to trust or other issues are D3, TSW, Tera...
Unless you're short on cash, I see no reason to avoid this games release. You can check back with GW2 whenever you want.. if you know you're going to buy it in the future you might as well buy it from the start. You can still wait til later to play it properly, but you can at least try it out and know for sure whether or not you'd rather play it later.
Plus, launch time is FUN. Who cares if u get kicked and have to queue sometimes. Seeing masses of people in the starter zones and the whole 'brand new' thing and chat channel zerg is FUN. Some people take it all too seriously...
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you. :OP
You know, I've actually wondered about that from time to time too. People are so ready to believe that companies hire people to do their undercover PR as disguised customers and regular people, so if that kind of PR is considered effective, then why not the black PR or anti-PR kind? Heck, smear campaigns has managed to destroy political careers, damaged the reputation of celebs, politicians and other public figures and prevented some politicians from winning elections and some of that was done by hired PR firms. It's a proven fact in many other situations that such kinda smear campaigns and destructive PR works and that people in general tend to believe the worst of others quicker than the most positive of others, so why would it suddenly be unbelievable when it comes to games and a multi-billion dollar games industry?
It's not as if there haven't been rumors from time to time that third party companies have been involved in practices like that for Activision Blizzard around other MMO launches, and who offered other game companies like SOE something sortlike claiming that they had helped keep WoW's playerbase stable throughout other major MMO launches.
But it wouldn't be done inhouse. Just like with other industries, if it's the case then Activision Blizzard's Kotick would simply hire an outside PR firm specialised in that kind of dirty work and probably give it an umbrella mission and target like 'keeping WoW's playerbase and revenues at this and that level around and after other AAA MMO launches', and leave it to those outside parties how they'd help realise it. Plausible deniability and that sort of stuff.
I've decided to completely avoid the launch day hype the only way that makes sense to me.
Already pre-purchased and will start three days early.
Take THAT hype-machine!
Oh you showed that machine. Going to pre-purchase toomorrow also. As I already said, there's no point in waiting, except if you want to save your money if it fails, but then again you buy it and that's it.
No. It's the forum community I'll be avoiding. Like when everyone was creaming themselves over TOR this and TOR that, I happily avoided all of that and made my own mind up through beta and then retail experience.
I've had hands-on time with GW2 and now I'm waiting for my buddy to join me and then we'll see.
I strongly dislike the preachy online community. Damn.
Bow at the alter of Guild Wars 2... I think I read someplace that with purchase you also get a new set of Nike's and some grey sweatpants. Also something about a comet...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Do you ever wonder if companies like Blizzard have a ,"Dirty Tricks Department ", whose job is to go on Gaming sites and tear and rip at other games,especially upcoming games they fear will take their players? Maybe I am naieve and you are , ",,,well duh,of course they do...". I even wonder if they send people into other games to troll and grief other gamers playing the conpetition. That would expalain the spurt of WoW- type behavior you see in otherwise good populations sometimes. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't really trying to kill you. :OP
I just dont see why a company with that much money, and such vast percentage more customers, would bother. Hell with their income they could just hire a team of ninjas to storm their competitior's offices.
Because smearing your competition tends to be far more effective, and legal, then literally hiring people to kill them?
Why publicly destroy someone, when you could spend less money forcing them to destroy themselves? Hire some kids to raid the games forums, making a mod's life a living hell. You can buy that on the cheap.
However, I doubt any company would have a 'department' for this. Can you imagine the lunch conversations 'hey what do you do here?' 'Oh.. I destroy other people's games', wouldn't be very good for morale. It's usually the type of thing you hire a 3rd party to do for you, usually in a 'don't ask, don't tell' type of relationship.
Again, WHAT competiton!? This isn't a Coke vs Pepsi situation. Its more like Coke vs Zam Zam Cola. All the MMOs out combined aren't going to take a fraction of Blizzards market share.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Why isn't there a poll? I was curious about the numbers. ^.^
Anyway, nope, I'm not waiting. Five years have been enough. Also I have yet to purchase a game based on hype and to feel disappointed afterwards, since I usually can get a pretty good idea what I'm actually getting into. Watching gameplay videos and getting a few hours of gameplay time during betas etc usually gives me a pretty good idea whether I'd like a game or not.
Why i should avoid it?, no monthly fee, i can always quit when i want and return as i wish. Game looks decent (at least) and will be worth the initial price.
Besides that why would we avoid this game if tommorow is pre-order and access to beta? Unrealistic hype? Where? By whom? Did you read any reviews, did you watch any videos? You either love it or hate it.
Can you avoid posting for 3-6 months before your unrealistic hatred is gone?
Naw, not terrified of disappointment. Been to too many opening days, I (personally) enjoy them...pleasant sort of chaos, usually.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I would think 3-6 weeks not months should be sufficient to know if any game is OK to spend money and time to invest in. By then the state of the game is known. More importantly the beginning areas have cleared out and the economy is more balanced than at the very begining.
3+ weeks is my rule and has served me well. Kept me from buying FF14 and SWTOR at all. If GW2 has major issues I will know it and if not I will buy it. Certainly not in a hurry to be part of the initial onslaught on launch day.
I do strongly disagree with you , simply because i think i find that it really makes sense to be worried about what hype does. This thread makes sense , and in contrast to alot of the other bashing threads we have had recently here. The MMO history is filled with hyped launches that just have been more or less so disappointing 3 month after. Whether GW2 do fit there or not is a totally other story. (and i for sure think that GW2 is so promising that it doesn't take alot of work studying what ArenaNet is up to, to realise that here is something special going on). But the point is with the past launches in mind, it makes sense to try to avoid jumping the hype. And the way is to get an informed oppinion or wait. And it also makes sense for fans of GW2 to just come with the good arguments for what makes this a special game worth waiting for. Because there is plenty.
Hype doesnt hurt anything apart from the individual that cannot make up their mind even though there is a ridiculous amount of video coverage out there. Or for those that are really trying to find something to complain about like the OP given their post history of this game.
A hyped launch that is disappointing 3 months afterwards has nothing to do with the hype. It has to do with being a poor game.
Since there is no sub fee then if one is wanting to try it out there is no difference between $60 at launch or $60 3-6 months later. Now if someone was wanting to wait for a sale I can see that, but that is different then avoiding hype.
Nope.. hype is in the eye of the beholder and I played enough Guild Wars, and read enough about Guild Wars 2 to know exactly what I am getting and I know it will be well worth the $60 so I will pick it up.
How much I will play it at launch is another question. I am a Diablo addict so it will be probably be taking up all of my time.
Hype : Exaggerated or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material.
Guild Wars 2 is not hyped at all. Developers let players play and see, showing real content that matches their promises. Gw2 news never missguides people, it is what they are. I can say/do much if you can not realize this fact alone by yourself. Just wait for release and see for yourself, as they dont try to milk you like other companies (Ea,activision,blizzard), they wont have any loss from you if you buy their game after 3 months.
You know what the OP means. He's referring to the player driven hype.
I also am looking foward to giving the game a try. I'll pre order so i can play it in beta and cancel if it sucks. I'm far more "hyped" to play TSW. I love MMOs, but i'm really tired of the fantasy themed ones like GW2. Its been beat to death, lol.
Uhm no, we know what Hype means, and it's being misused over and over again in these forums. Hype is generated SOLELY by the developers advertisements and interviews, THAT'S ALL. It's not generated by the public in ANY sense of the word thus is the problem with his and many other's use of the word. People being excited about a game is not HYPE even when they go to extremes and say things like it's the second coming or it's so great it will make cheeze come out your ears. Please learn vocabulary people before misusing words. An Example of Hype is like whe BW told everyone their combat would be different and that it was not epic combat to have a whole bunch of little guys beating on a large central boss figure. That's hype.
Fantasy really hasn't been beat to death it just was never done properly in the first place. Now it will be finally done right.
This has never been the definition of hype. In my 30+ years of existance, until GW2 fans started making this claim, I had never before seen it. I have been reading these forums for years and this has never been the definition used for hype until GW2 fans started using it. It is a way of basically saying "ignore they hype, its not really hype." There seems to be a push from some GW2 fans to redefine what certain words mean. Even redefine their own views on certain aspects. There's one frequent poster who in his/her sig use to have levels of acceptable cash shop items. The only acceptable form listed was purchase of new zones/dungeson. Unacceptable forms included vanity items that should be in game such as appearance clothing, mounts, etc. Things like exp boosts were also "wrong." Well after the discovery that GW2 would have these things in the cs. Bye Bye signature with that list. It is ok now apparently.
ANET, with 3 games and an expansion under their belt, has an undisputed reputation of having the smoothest game launches for an MMO, plus their credo of releasing only when it's ready gives me confidence that they will not botch the job on the big day
and i dont have to worry about queues on Day 1, because there will be no queues thanks to the innovation of overflow servers
as for the hype, i have fairly been realistic in my expectations of the game. my expectation is not that this is the messiah of the MMO genre. my only expectation is i'm going to enjoy the hell out of this game for a long time!
I'm sorry but I have been tricked by this level of hype before and I will not be tricked again. With the (arguably) pay to win model, the incredibly simplistic combat, the unbalanced zerg fest that is WvWvW, etc....I just do not see what the fanatics are smoking.
I have high hopes for Guild Wars 2 but will not be playing until the unrealistic hype is crushed and the game is brought back down to earth.
So you're saying that you find:
The cash shop P2W
The combat incredibly simplistic
WvWvW an unbalanced zerg fest
And you are saying you still have high hopes? WHAT have you been smoking? Give me a break, and stop trolling. If I say those things about a game, I certainly do not buy that game. So why are you even bothering?
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Understand what your saying bud, but what you have to realize is there is a massive difference from watching a gameplay video to actually playing the game itself. SWTOR looks, in my opinion, fun to play, however playing it was incredibly boring.
We'll all find out this year though I guess.
EDIT: Not everyone will be able to take part in the Beta events, therefore using gameplay videos as their only source to make an opinion on the game.
But have to say, some gameplay videos make the game look pretty awful, but others make it look truely epic.
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Played: EQ1, EQ2, VG:SoH, WoW, AoC, LoTRO, Aion, L2, DF, WAR.
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I just dont see why a company with that much money, and such vast percentage more customers, would bother. Hell with their income they could just hire a team of ninjas to storm their competitior's offices.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
Because smearing your competition tends to be far more effective, and legal, then literally hiring people to kill them?
Why publicly destroy someone, when you could spend less money forcing them to destroy themselves? Hire some kids to raid the games forums, making a mod's life a living hell. You can buy that on the cheap.
However, I doubt any company would have a 'department' for this. Can you imagine the lunch conversations 'hey what do you do here?' 'Oh.. I destroy other people's games', wouldn't be very good for morale. It's usually the type of thing you hire a 3rd party to do for you, usually in a 'don't ask, don't tell' type of relationship.
I will definitly be pre-ordering this one.
Its been a long time since I have done that, but after all the videos and commentary, its a pretty safe bet. This game offers everything I want.
SWTOR gameplay vids looked amazingly boring to me from the first one I saw, which was the Esseles flashpoint (downloaded it in HD and still have it).
Charr: Outta my way.
Human: What's your problem?
Charr: Your thin skin.
Yes, i will be waiting for atleast 3 months. After playing MMO's for 12 years i really don't get hyped by anything any more. I will wait for reviews, player responses etc. and after that decide if i'm going to buy it or not. Playing the first week or month can be a real pain, while developers are usually still repearing some critical bugs and there is just to many people playing at once.
I definitely get where the OP is coming from and i generally apply a similar logic these days in my game buying ventures but since it is B2P GW2 does not warrant a wait and see approach in my book..
Another important factor for me is getting a hands on before buying most games and i have been fortunate to get to play GW2 and every indication and feel to me is that the hype is not hype at all...
For as little as $60 pre-purchase is a no brainer to me even if i had not got to try it first because anet being a relative new kid on the block with one awesome release has not yet destroyed my confidence in them to deliver and hopefully they never do..
Games that are on hold for months (wait and see) if ever due to trust or other issues are D3, TSW, Tera...
Playing GW2..
Unless you're short on cash, I see no reason to avoid this games release. You can check back with GW2 whenever you want.. if you know you're going to buy it in the future you might as well buy it from the start. You can still wait til later to play it properly, but you can at least try it out and know for sure whether or not you'd rather play it later.
Plus, launch time is FUN. Who cares if u get kicked and have to queue sometimes. Seeing masses of people in the starter zones and the whole 'brand new' thing and chat channel zerg is FUN. Some people take it all too seriously...
I've decided to completely avoid the launch day hype the only way that makes sense to me.
Already pre-purchased and will start three days early.
Take THAT hype-machine!
Oderint, dum metuant.
You know, I've actually wondered about that from time to time too. People are so ready to believe that companies hire people to do their undercover PR as disguised customers and regular people, so if that kind of PR is considered effective, then why not the black PR or anti-PR kind? Heck, smear campaigns has managed to destroy political careers, damaged the reputation of celebs, politicians and other public figures and prevented some politicians from winning elections and some of that was done by hired PR firms. It's a proven fact in many other situations that such kinda smear campaigns and destructive PR works and that people in general tend to believe the worst of others quicker than the most positive of others, so why would it suddenly be unbelievable when it comes to games and a multi-billion dollar games industry?
It's not as if there haven't been rumors from time to time that third party companies have been involved in practices like that for Activision Blizzard around other MMO launches, and who offered other game companies like SOE something sortlike claiming that they had helped keep WoW's playerbase stable throughout other major MMO launches.
But it wouldn't be done inhouse. Just like with other industries, if it's the case then Activision Blizzard's Kotick would simply hire an outside PR firm specialised in that kind of dirty work and probably give it an umbrella mission and target like 'keeping WoW's playerbase and revenues at this and that level around and after other AAA MMO launches', and leave it to those outside parties how they'd help realise it. Plausible deniability and that sort of stuff.
We'll probably never know for sure.
Oh you showed that machine. Going to pre-purchase toomorrow also. As I already said, there's no point in waiting, except if you want to save your money if it fails, but then again you buy it and that's it.
Bow at the alter of Guild Wars 2... I think I read someplace that with purchase you also get a new set of Nike's and some grey sweatpants. Also something about a comet...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Again, WHAT competiton!? This isn't a Coke vs Pepsi situation. Its more like Coke vs Zam Zam Cola. All the MMOs out combined aren't going to take a fraction of Blizzards market share.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
avoiding a game due to well-deserved hype is dumb
Why isn't there a poll? I was curious about the numbers. ^.^
Anyway, nope, I'm not waiting. Five years have been enough. Also I have yet to purchase a game based on hype and to feel disappointed afterwards, since I usually can get a pretty good idea what I'm actually getting into. Watching gameplay videos and getting a few hours of gameplay time during betas etc usually gives me a pretty good idea whether I'd like a game or not.
Why i should avoid it?, no monthly fee, i can always quit when i want and return as i wish. Game looks decent (at least) and will be worth the initial price.
Only you.
Besides that why would we avoid this game if tommorow is pre-order and access to beta? Unrealistic hype? Where? By whom? Did you read any reviews, did you watch any videos? You either love it or hate it.
Can you avoid posting for 3-6 months before your unrealistic hatred is gone?
Naw, not terrified of disappointment. Been to too many opening days, I (personally) enjoy them...pleasant sort of chaos, usually.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
I would think 3-6 weeks not months should be sufficient to know if any game is OK to spend money and time to invest in. By then the state of the game is known. More importantly the beginning areas have cleared out and the economy is more balanced than at the very begining.
3+ weeks is my rule and has served me well. Kept me from buying FF14 and SWTOR at all. If GW2 has major issues I will know it and if not I will buy it. Certainly not in a hurry to be part of the initial onslaught on launch day.
Hype doesnt hurt anything apart from the individual that cannot make up their mind even though there is a ridiculous amount of video coverage out there. Or for those that are really trying to find something to complain about like the OP given their post history of this game.
A hyped launch that is disappointing 3 months afterwards has nothing to do with the hype. It has to do with being a poor game.
Since there is no sub fee then if one is wanting to try it out there is no difference between $60 at launch or $60 3-6 months later. Now if someone was wanting to wait for a sale I can see that, but that is different then avoiding hype.
If by hype you mean showing us content and letting people play the game in demos and betas, then yeah, I guess there's been a lot of hype....
Nope.. hype is in the eye of the beholder and I played enough Guild Wars, and read enough about Guild Wars 2 to know exactly what I am getting and I know it will be well worth the $60 so I will pick it up.
How much I will play it at launch is another question. I am a Diablo addict so it will be probably be taking up all of my time.
This has never been the definition of hype. In my 30+ years of existance, until GW2 fans started making this claim, I had never before seen it. I have been reading these forums for years and this has never been the definition used for hype until GW2 fans started using it. It is a way of basically saying "ignore they hype, its not really hype." There seems to be a push from some GW2 fans to redefine what certain words mean. Even redefine their own views on certain aspects. There's one frequent poster who in his/her sig use to have levels of acceptable cash shop items. The only acceptable form listed was purchase of new zones/dungeson. Unacceptable forms included vanity items that should be in game such as appearance clothing, mounts, etc. Things like exp boosts were also "wrong." Well after the discovery that GW2 would have these things in the cs. Bye Bye signature with that list. It is ok now apparently.
ANET, with 3 games and an expansion under their belt, has an undisputed reputation of having the smoothest game launches for an MMO, plus their credo of releasing only when it's ready gives me confidence that they will not botch the job on the big day
and i dont have to worry about queues on Day 1, because there will be no queues thanks to the innovation of overflow servers
as for the hype, i have fairly been realistic in my expectations of the game. my expectation is not that this is the messiah of the MMO genre. my only expectation is i'm going to enjoy the hell out of this game for a long time!
Have fun storming the castle! - Miracle Max
So you're saying that you find:
The cash shop P2W
The combat incredibly simplistic
WvWvW an unbalanced zerg fest
And you are saying you still have high hopes? WHAT have you been smoking? Give me a break, and stop trolling. If I say those things about a game, I certainly do not buy that game. So why are you even bothering?