I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
dont swear and you wont get filtered..i have played lotro for 5 yrs on laurelin and the community is the best i have ever seen in an mmo.no swearing at all.anyways,why do you feel the need to swear.other thing is when swearing was it at someone or just in general..would like to know m8..it does seem a tad harsh,but if its their rules then so be it.
I don't swear, I'd just like to have the option to, freedom of speech 'n all.
Private property rights 'n all trump freedom of speech.
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OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive? May want to think about that. If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same. I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.
No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.
This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.
I think people should start watching what they say and how they carry themselves in game. People nowadays think that just because they are behind a PC that they can act and do whatever they want. Theres no reason to use foul language....there really isnt. There are kids and others that do not want to hear that kind of talk in chat and you shouldnt assume that just because its ok with you, everyone should have to deal with it.
You dont hear people using foul language elsewhere (for the most part, unless they have no manners)....why should it be any different in game?
You do realize if parents dont want kids to hear it, its as simple as a profanity filter. for other's like me it turns to be a major turn off in some games. sure i swear, alot. but i rarely direct it at another player. im the same way in real life sumthin bad happens the first thing out of my mouth is either shit or the f bomb. its just the way i am and i shouldnt be censored for it because im a minority of the majority that cant handle it. O and btw i have no manners in real life either does it make me a slob, yes, does it make me a bad person? no.
I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
IMO, if they can filter words and they have a ban policy for those words, they should automate banning with the filter. Takes the emotion out of it and people should have the abiltiy to learn to change their behaviour.
Swearing is called Adult language to discourage children from doing it but it isn't called mature language. Filtering what you say is part of being a mature adult.
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I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
IMO, if they can filter words and they have a ban policy for those words, they should automate banning with the filter. Takes the emotion out of it and people should have the abiltiy to learn to change their behaviour.
Swearing is called Adult language to discourage children from doing it but it isn't called mature language. Filtering what you say is part of being a mature adult.
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Swear words are just too common to have any impact now days, you need to be more creative. If you swear too much then people will just put you on their ignore list and your point will never be heard.
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I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
IMO, if they can filter words and they have a ban policy for those words, they should automate banning with the filter. Takes the emotion out of it and people should have the abiltiy to learn to change their behaviour.
Swearing is called Adult language to discourage children from doing it but it isn't called mature language. Filtering what you say is part of being a mature adult.
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Mature adults are able to do what they want and for however long they want. With maturity. Maturity is an attitude not an age or an emotion. It also does not exclude playing games.
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IMO opinion swearing is censoring yourself. The point of censorship is to block or change what a person is trying to say. Since there are no curse words that act as a stand alone subject you can't make an argument that blocking them is censoring you.
Adding expletives censors whatever point you were trying to make by brining attention to something unrelated and useless in your expression. It's the way I relate it to my young kids. Swearing, or "bad words", makes you sound less intelligent than finding the correct word or expression to get your pint across.
I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
IMO, if they can filter words and they have a ban policy for those words, they should automate banning with the filter. Takes the emotion out of it and people should have the abiltiy to learn to change their behaviour.
Swearing is called Adult language to discourage children from doing it but it isn't called mature language. Filtering what you say is part of being a mature adult.
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Not sure where to go on your statement. Whether you meant adults in general dont play video games, or saying that most adults who play games are immature.
However, just for fun, I looked up some statistics from the ESA and that the average gamer is 37. And 82% of gamers are over 18. So all that swearing in channels may show how far society has gotten away from moral values.
IMO opinion swearing is censoring yourself. The point of censorship is to block or change what a person is trying to say. Since there are no curse words that act as a stand alone subject you can't make an argument that blocking them is censoring you.
Adding expletives censors whatever point you were trying to make by brining attention to something unrelated and useless in your expression. It's the way I relate it to my young kids. Swearing, or "bad words", makes you sound less intelligent than finding the correct word or expression to get your pint across.
I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
There aren't a lot of games that allow you to cuss with impunity.
And I say doubly good for him. When I was maknig money for colllege I worked consruction and my language became beyond bad. Until one day I actually listened to what was coming out of my mouth and realized I sounded "not fit for public".
There's a time and place for everything.
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It's their toybox. You don't like the rules, go play elsewhere.
You need to learn what censorship is. Because you are describing it exactly.
They are censoring their game (toybox). Do you disagree or are you confused?
I am very much against government censorship. Since I don't curse in games, well at least not in general chat or to people I don't already know, I think it is reasonable of them to ban cursing in game if they want to. If not, that is fine with me too.
It's their toybox. You don't like the rules, go play elsewhere.
You need to learn what censorship is. Because you are describing it exactly.
They are censoring their game (toybox). Do you disagree or are you confused?
I am very much against government censorship. Since I don't curse in games, well at least not in general chat or to people I don't already know, I think it is reasonable of them to ban cursing in game if they want to. If not, that is fine with me too.
I never said anything about government censorship.
But you guys are literally into censorhsip in general. I'm surprised by that.
I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
IMO, if they can filter words and they have a ban policy for those words, they should automate banning with the filter. Takes the emotion out of it and people should have the abiltiy to learn to change their behaviour.
Swearing is called Adult language to discourage children from doing it but it isn't called mature language. Filtering what you say is part of being a mature adult.
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Mature adults are able to do what they want and for however long they want. With maturity. Maturity is an attitude not an age or an emotion. It also does not exclude playing games.
Obviously, and like you say, it is an attitude, hence most will have jobs as well as families and things that always need to get done over playing games. a mature adult wouldnt sit at home jobless playing games extensive hours with no hope for the future. they'd be out job searching.
I'm retired from the US Navy, and I can carry on a conversation without swearing, and never do around people I don't know or may not want to hear that. I f I can do that, anyone can. Now drop and give me 30 for the Navy.
I really don't care if you can talk without swearing :P good for you ^^
All I'm saying is that it's annoying that we're being filtered, it'd be nice to be able to say what I want.
dont swear and you wont get filtered..i have played lotro for 5 yrs on laurelin and the community is the best i have ever seen in an mmo.no swearing at all.anyways,why do you feel the need to swear.other thing is when swearing was it at someone or just in general..would like to know m8..it does seem a tad harsh,but if its their rules then so be it.
I don't swear, I'd just like to have the option to, freedom of speech 'n all.
Well, since the government isn't doing anything to you if you swear in Tera, you still have freedom of speech 'n all. That is all freedom of speech means, you don't get in trouble from the government if you say mean things. It does not apply to privately owned mmorpgs, or privately owned anything for that matter.
It's their toybox. You don't like the rules, go play elsewhere.
You need to learn what censorship is. Because you are describing it exactly.
They are censoring their game (toybox). Do you disagree or are you confused?
I am very much against government censorship. Since I don't curse in games, well at least not in general chat or to people I don't already know, I think it is reasonable of them to ban cursing in game if they want to. If not, that is fine with me too.
I never said anything about government censorship.
But you guys are literally into censorhsip in general. I'm surprised by that.
I am into businesses running their business in a way they think will attract the most people/ create the best environment. I am ok with people being able to say whatever they want, as in WoW. If i don't like it i turn off whatever chat is the problem. But I also don't mind what Tera is doing. Now if the government was censoring then that violates the constitution of my country and I have a major problem with that. Private entities can do whatever they please with their product, I can choose not to play it if i don't like their decisions.
IMO opinion swearing is censoring yourself. The point of censorship is to block or change what a person is trying to say. Since there are no curse words that act as a stand alone subject you can't make an argument that blocking them is censoring you.
Adding expletives censors whatever point you were trying to make by brining attention to something unrelated and useless in your expression. It's the way I relate it to my young kids. Swearing, or "bad words", makes you sound less intelligent than finding the correct word or expression to get your pint across.
2cp
Actually curse words add an emotional context. In some cases they can definitely be used as pointless, useless egocentric displays of dialogue. However to dismiss all instances as this, is itself ignorant and displays a complete lack of understanding towards syntax, as well as linguistics.
Emotional context is key to everything we do that relates to communication. To deny that, undermines the principles of public relations, which have defined our collective culture of consumerism that which spreads across ideologies and connects us all through economic servitude.
Ex: If I say "It was huge." You get a picture in your brain of its relativre size based off the emotional emphasis ascribed to the term "huge".
Likewise, if I say "It was FUCKING huge!" this context, vastly changes the relative size in ones mind, simply by adding and emphasize the word "fucking".
How this become a moral issue is beyond me, as there are no gaurdians of morality when it comes to specific words. These are archaic artifacts left over from English conservatism which disguised blatant bigotry, self righteousness, and plain disregard for reality. To continue to perpetuate this idea by teaching children to disregard any form of communication that doesnt comply to a concept of morality that is vague, and simply not real, is absurd, and counter the premise of understanding as a whole.
There is a deep psychological reason why these words are used, and that lies in their context. To ignore that as meaningful is to rob your children of an experience that can open up an new world of cognitive dynamics.
Not to mention the two words every parent should understand: PROFANITY FILTER.
I for one am tired on my life being dictated by ridiculous parents, over reaching protection of their children, who in a matter of time will be exposed to the horrors of reality like all of us. If you want to keep them in a bubble, that is your decision, but not one that I should be forced into conforming with, respecting, or participating in.
Thank you.
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It's their toybox. You don't like the rules, go play elsewhere.
You need to learn what censorship is. Because you are describing it exactly.
They are censoring their game (toybox). Do you disagree or are you confused?
I am very much against government censorship. Since I don't curse in games, well at least not in general chat or to people I don't already know, I think it is reasonable of them to ban cursing in game if they want to. If not, that is fine with me too.
I never said anything about government censorship.
But you guys are literally into censorhsip in general. I'm surprised by that.
I am into businesses running their business in a way they think will attract the most people/ create the best environment. I am ok with people being able to say whatever they want, as in WoW. If i don't like it i turn off whatever chat is the problem. But I also don't mind what Tera is doing. Now if the government was censoring then that violates the constitution of my country and I have a major problem with that. Private entities can do whatever they please with their product, I can choose not to play it if i don't like their decisions.
Of course they "can" do whatever they want. I just think it would be better for everyone if they relaxed their sphincter muscles a bit.
It's obnoxious when someone claims their version of morality is greater than another mans.
It's their toybox. You don't like the rules, go play elsewhere.
You need to learn what censorship is. Because you are describing it exactly.
They are censoring their game (toybox). Do you disagree or are you confused?
I am very much against government censorship. Since I don't curse in games, well at least not in general chat or to people I don't already know, I think it is reasonable of them to ban cursing in game if they want to. If not, that is fine with me too.
I never said anything about government censorship.
But you guys are literally into censorhsip in general. I'm surprised by that.
I am into businesses running their business in a way they think will attract the most people/ create the best environment. I am ok with people being able to say whatever they want, as in WoW. If i don't like it i turn off whatever chat is the problem. But I also don't mind what Tera is doing. Now if the government was censoring then that violates the constitution of my country and I have a major problem with that. Private entities can do whatever they please with their product, I can choose not to play it if i don't like their decisions.
Of course they "can" do whatever they want. I just think it would be better for everyone if they relaxed their sphincter muscles a bit.
It's obnoxious when someone claims their version of morality is greater than another mans.
I am not sure where you are getting this claim of morility? Maybe I missed a post somewhere, but I haven't seen any mention of the morality of cursing or not cursing in this thread.
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Say what?
Speaking as a mature adult who used to play about 60 hours a week, please don't project your skewed perspective around as it is not just incorrect but also in the vast minority of players. kthx
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Say what?
Speaking as a mature adult who used to play about 60 hours a week, please don't project your skewed perspective around as it is not just incorrect but also in the vast minority of players. kthx
Mature adults who work for a living and put their family before half naked five year old furries*
Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Say what?
Speaking as a mature adult who used to play about 60 hours a week, please don't project your skewed perspective around as it is not just incorrect but also in the vast minority of players. kthx
Mature adults who work for a living and put their family before half naked five year old furries*
If that is wrong, then I don't want to live in a world that is right!
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Private property rights 'n all trump freedom of speech.
You do realize if parents dont want kids to hear it, its as simple as a profanity filter. for other's like me it turns to be a major turn off in some games. sure i swear, alot. but i rarely direct it at another player. im the same way in real life sumthin bad happens the first thing out of my mouth is either shit or the f bomb. its just the way i am and i shouldnt be censored for it because im a minority of the majority that cant handle it. O and btw i have no manners in real life either does it make me a slob, yes, does it make me a bad person? no.
There must be a swear filter somewhere to click and unclick and 2 Im sure you will be able to swear all you like if you find a like minded guild.
Alot of communication is done via comms these days anyway.
IMO, if they can filter words and they have a ban policy for those words, they should automate banning with the filter. Takes the emotion out of it and people should have the abiltiy to learn to change their behaviour.
Swearing is called Adult language to discourage children from doing it but it isn't called mature language. Filtering what you say is part of being a mature adult.
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Mature adults dont play video games. and if they do on rare occasions. hardly worth cutting off a vast majority for the few paying customer's who maybe log in 2 hours of a night after they get home from work as compared to the customer's that are online between 8-12 hours a day.
Swear words are just too common to have any impact now days, you need to be more creative. If you swear too much then people will just put you on their ignore list and your point will never be heard.
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Mature adults are able to do what they want and for however long they want. With maturity. Maturity is an attitude not an age or an emotion. It also does not exclude playing games.
You need to learn what censorship really is!
It's their toybox. You don't like the rules, go play elsewhere.
Adding expletives censors whatever point you were trying to make by brining attention to something unrelated and useless in your expression. It's the way I relate it to my young kids. Swearing, or "bad words", makes you sound less intelligent than finding the correct word or expression to get your pint across.
2cp
Just not worth my time anymore.
Not sure where to go on your statement. Whether you meant adults in general dont play video games, or saying that most adults who play games are immature.
However, just for fun, I looked up some statistics from the ESA and that the average gamer is 37. And 82% of gamers are over 18. So all that swearing in channels may show how far society has gotten away from moral values.
http://www.theesa.com/facts/gameplayer.asp
You need to learn what censorship is. Because you are describing it exactly.
They are censoring their game (toybox). Do you disagree or are you confused?
Made me laugh, sorry
There aren't a lot of games that allow you to cuss with impunity.
And I say doubly good for him. When I was maknig money for colllege I worked consruction and my language became beyond bad. Until one day I actually listened to what was coming out of my mouth and realized I sounded "not fit for public".
There's a time and place for everything.
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I am very much against government censorship. Since I don't curse in games, well at least not in general chat or to people I don't already know, I think it is reasonable of them to ban cursing in game if they want to. If not, that is fine with me too.
I never said anything about government censorship.
But you guys are literally into censorhsip in general. I'm surprised by that.
Obviously, and like you say, it is an attitude, hence most will have jobs as well as families and things that always need to get done over playing games. a mature adult wouldnt sit at home jobless playing games extensive hours with no hope for the future. they'd be out job searching.
Well, since the government isn't doing anything to you if you swear in Tera, you still have freedom of speech 'n all. That is all freedom of speech means, you don't get in trouble from the government if you say mean things. It does not apply to privately owned mmorpgs, or privately owned anything for that matter.
I am into businesses running their business in a way they think will attract the most people/ create the best environment. I am ok with people being able to say whatever they want, as in WoW. If i don't like it i turn off whatever chat is the problem. But I also don't mind what Tera is doing. Now if the government was censoring then that violates the constitution of my country and I have a major problem with that. Private entities can do whatever they please with their product, I can choose not to play it if i don't like their decisions.
Since were on the topic of censorship, lets get them armor edits taken off. I liked them korean style.
Actually curse words add an emotional context. In some cases they can definitely be used as pointless, useless egocentric displays of dialogue. However to dismiss all instances as this, is itself ignorant and displays a complete lack of understanding towards syntax, as well as linguistics.
Emotional context is key to everything we do that relates to communication. To deny that, undermines the principles of public relations, which have defined our collective culture of consumerism that which spreads across ideologies and connects us all through economic servitude.
Ex: If I say "It was huge." You get a picture in your brain of its relativre size based off the emotional emphasis ascribed to the term "huge".
Likewise, if I say "It was FUCKING huge!" this context, vastly changes the relative size in ones mind, simply by adding and emphasize the word "fucking".
How this become a moral issue is beyond me, as there are no gaurdians of morality when it comes to specific words. These are archaic artifacts left over from English conservatism which disguised blatant bigotry, self righteousness, and plain disregard for reality. To continue to perpetuate this idea by teaching children to disregard any form of communication that doesnt comply to a concept of morality that is vague, and simply not real, is absurd, and counter the premise of understanding as a whole.
There is a deep psychological reason why these words are used, and that lies in their context. To ignore that as meaningful is to rob your children of an experience that can open up an new world of cognitive dynamics.
Not to mention the two words every parent should understand: PROFANITY FILTER.
I for one am tired on my life being dictated by ridiculous parents, over reaching protection of their children, who in a matter of time will be exposed to the horrors of reality like all of us. If you want to keep them in a bubble, that is your decision, but not one that I should be forced into conforming with, respecting, or participating in.
Thank you.
To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.
Of course they "can" do whatever they want. I just think it would be better for everyone if they relaxed their sphincter muscles a bit.
It's obnoxious when someone claims their version of morality is greater than another mans.
I am not sure where you are getting this claim of morility? Maybe I missed a post somewhere, but I haven't seen any mention of the morality of cursing or not cursing in this thread.
Say what?
Speaking as a mature adult who used to play about 60 hours a week, please don't project your skewed perspective around as it is not just incorrect but also in the vast minority of players. kthx
Mature adults who work for a living and put their family before half naked five year old furries*
If that is wrong, then I don't want to live in a world that is right!
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