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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969

    Originally posted by victorv1968

     

    I work in HR I will go out and look at peoples Facebook, myspace pages before hiring them it is part of my job.  if they are talking in ebonics and using foul disrespectful language they will prolly not get the job.  

     

    You have freedom of speech but you have to face the consequences of such speech.

    Yeah, I work clostely with HR and they do the exact same thing. They look at facebook pages, blogs, etc and if it paints a less than congenial picture they will pass on the candidate.

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  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254

    Originally posted by Kyleran

    Originally posted by colddog04


    Originally posted by JTST83

    For the record, Swearing isn't a freedom of speech issue, in fact, other peoples right trump your right to swear.

     

    In other words, you're not allowed to swear if it offends someone else because then you're encroaching on their rights.

    Am I not allowed to eat a cow in front of a Buddhist temple because it offends someone?

    Yes, but not "in" their temple.

    Am I not allowed to protest in favor of killing babies because it offends someone?

    Yes, but not in their church/home etc.

     Am I not allowed to take my hat off and rub my belly and head at the same time because it offends someone?

    Well sure, but I recommend you don't do during a meeting of the board of directors or you'll probably find yourself looking for a new job.

    Who decides what is offensive to someone else? If I start telling people that it offends me if they chew with their mouth open, am I allowed to stop them from doing that?

    Well, that is at the very least bad manners, and you are within your rights to ask them to try and improve on that.

     They are encroaching on my rights with their disgusting behavior!

    You are with in your rights to do almost anything that is legal (and swearing is legal) but you are not permitted to do it everywhere you chose to.

    When you join an online game you are in someone's house, and even if you pay for the priviledge there are "house" rules that must be followed, or you will be ejected.

    But come on, you're just arguing for the sake of it.  You certainly know what society expects of you in most social situations and what is appropriate.

    And if you don't, well then, that explains a lot about what's wrong in the world today.

     

    I'm not really sure why you quoted me here. 

     

    He said , "you're not allowed to swear if it offends someone else because then you're encroaching on their rights." I then listed a bunch of silly situations where you can offend someone where it is obviously not encroaching on someones rights. Just like profanity does not encroach on someone's rights.

     

    And I really don't know why you list exact areas in life where the situations I list would be illegal. Is it illegal to have sex? No. Is it illegal to have sex at the Wal-Mart cash register? Yes it is. And it also has nothing to do with the point I was making.

     

    I wasn't really discussing decency. I was directly responding to the person's post. Which was absolutely wrong. If you had continued reading the posts in the thread, you would have seen that I expressed my personal opinion about TERA and their stance against profanity. 

     

    When it comes to the game, it's their game, they can do what they want with it. Do I think they're lame if they censor profanity and ban people for it? Yes. But obviously it is their property and they can do whatever they want.

     

    This appears to largely agree with the heart of your post.

  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by victorv1968

     
    I work in HR I will go out and look at peoples Facebook, myspace pages before hiring them it is part of my job.  if they are talking in ebonics and using foul disrespectful language they will prolly not get the job.  
     
    You have freedom of speech but you have to face the consequences of such speech.
    Yeah, I work clostely with HR and they do the exact same thing. They look at facebook pages, blogs, etc and if it paints a less than congenial picture they will pass on the candidate.


    How does that actually work if a persons profile is Private?

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  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771

    Originally posted by Clocksimus

    Admittingly I didn't read the entire thread but has anyone mentioned this game is rated M?  There are nude statues with nipples in the capital city and armor (or lack of armor) in the game  makes it so you are stuck looking at your female castanics panties everytime you move forward.

    I'd figure a little cussing to be minor considering the nature of the game.

    Rating of M is taking this thread off topic.  IN any case, swearing is immature not mature.  So YOU LOSE there as well. Nice try though.

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  • AryanRoAryanRo Member UncommonPosts: 48

    Originally posted by Praetalus

    Originally posted by AryanRo


    Originally posted by Praetalus


    Originally posted by JTST83

    For the record, Swearing isn't a freedom of speech issue, in fact, other peoples right trump your right to swear.

     

    In other words, you're not allowed to swear if it offends someone else because then you're encroaching on their rights.

    What right would that be? Just curious.

    An ambiguious question.. but it falls in same right.. as many say they have the freedom to curse I have the same freedom to not hear it..

    Still the implementation of freedom of speech has been taken so out context that is funny that every clinges to it from what it was actually intended.. Some forget that the right Freedom of speech was a clause to protect people running political printing press in the times of Ben Franklin and early stages of the US becoming a country to voice their opinions of the government and that no government had the right to shut/persecute/prosecute people voicing their opinion against the government.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    Pretty simple text and as you see doesnt say freedom to curse or to do say whatever you want against other people.. Is the right to say/exercise religion or assemble and make complaints about the government. So Porn,cursing and other crap that people say fall in the first amendment is just not true.. In lame terms it was just a protection for people running printing shops and critizing government and its officials and not get kill as it was in previous stages of the government and many were kill for advertizing and criticizing agains the government.

     

    So you say that the "freedom of speech has been taken so out context that is funny that every clinges to it from what it was actually intended". Your words there, not mine. Then, you yourself use it for a self serving purpose to say that "porn, cursing and other crap" doesn't fall under it. Which is systematically not ture. Porn certainly does fall under Freedom of speech. Have you noticed all of the porn sites? You think they're all against the law and just sneaking by? You think cursing is against the law? Really? Where? You can't slander, threaten, etc, however, I pulled over the other day lost in Delaware and asked a cop "where the fuck I was" and he laughed his ass off and pointed me in the right direction. According to you, I should have been placed in front of the Supreme Court, no?

     

    The beauty of the Constitution of the U.S is in the ability to grow and change. It just seems you haven't been up date to on the changes. 

    Here, read up: 

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._ACLU

     

    "The Internet is a far more speech-enhancing medium than print, the village green, or the mails. Because it would necessarily affect the Internet itself, the CDA would necessarily reduce the speech available for adults on the medium. This is a constitutionally intolerable result. Some of the dialogue on the Internet surely tests the limits of conventional discourse. Speech on the Internet can be unfiltered, unpolished, and unconventional, even emotionally charged, sexually explicit, and vulgar – in a word, "indecent" in many communities. But we should expect such speech to occur in a medium in which citizens from all walks of life have a voice. We should also protect the autonomy that such a medium confers to ordinary people as well as media magnates. [. . 

    Do you pray to porn no.. does porn affect the government ( wanna read up on Obama's trip to Cartagena on that one) 

    Slander a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report. Does it say cursing?

    Either that cop was having a good day or just not caring... wonder what would happen if you say that to a NY cop lol...

    Everything right now is sexualize no matter where they go.. but have you heard the news how many women get rape from elder to young... and yet I wonder why?....

    People claim that the net is use for educational informative purposes.. so getting recipe for home made bombs.. hacking and that wonderful educational stuff right... Cause I remember seen comercials of using the net to read books and stuff from other sides of the world.. I dont recall seeing facebook/myspace/migente and all those social sites and all the crap that net has..

     

    Too much thoughts and is just a lost battle .. people use the bill of rights and freedom of speech as it was a free pass to cover all the malicious crap they want to do and not get blame for it.. As much one person has rights as much as the other person and there is no unlimited freedom of them cause the minute it affects the boundaries of the other people they are nullified and any judge will tell you that... and most games on their TOS have a clause saying no profanity whether is free to play or pay to play the clause is there.. to protect those that want no profanity in game but regardless still happens.

    Cause in reality most of us that pay dont wanna hear on world chat

    !!(&(&@!(#*&@(&;#($*&@(#&;(*&@#(*&;$(@&;*#(*&@(&;#* 

    as we enter the game we came to play and are paying for it... is simple as that... you would be surprise how many people want to play a game where there is no profanity but just fun and entertainment... RIght now there is no such thing... and I have made the same quote here how many will be willing to pay 20-50 bucks a month for a game that those that.. cause right now any teenager can pay that  current game fee and we are ending up with crappy waterdown games full or elitist that all their in game time is fk.. this and that and how this games compare to WoW...Fk this and Chuck Norris this and that.. all the same crappy stories all over all the new games.. I am just fed up with it.. They go to any game as they call it pvp action and once bored jump to the next MMO and do it all over again.. You have beatiful sceneries, excellent story line but the games are so waterdown to cater this type of players and there is no sense of adventure on them... Current loot rewards stinks too many just become clutter absurd too much waste code on items making games fatter and fatter..

    Again you  be surprise how many people would pay for a game where the minute you curse .. you are silence or ban...

    someone above mention the word bastard as foul curse word when it just means a child born out matrimony and there lots of them around... but to most is just instead of being crap or shittie is just gay..and I just laugh at their ignorance for where is the joy or happiness which is what that word means... and to those who would go righteous on ignorance just means that you do not know or ignore the meaning of something..(and to those english teachers.. yeah there are lot of grammar and punctuation error and past tense errors in this message but I ask you if you are so keen in that... what the hell are you doing playing an mmo and not teaching kids proper ways cause in me is lost cause all I care is to make my point heard)

     

  • victorv1968victorv1968 Member Posts: 24

    Originally posted by Mellkor

     




    Originally posted by Sovrath





    Originally posted by victorv1968



     

    I work in HR I will go out and look at peoples Facebook, myspace pages before hiring them it is part of my job.  if they are talking in ebonics and using foul disrespectful language they will prolly not get the job.  

     

    You have freedom of speech but you have to face the consequences of such speech.






    Yeah, I work clostely with HR and they do the exact same thing. They look at facebook pages, blogs, etc and if it paints a less than congenial picture they will pass on the candidate.





    How does that actually work if a persons profile is Private?

     

    You just will have to go on interview and resume alone.  I don't try to friend them to look at what is there but if it is open and public for all then we will use that.  I do recommend that people make their profiles private if they are putting stuff like that on their sites....also some companies also look at photos for drinking or drug use, for those who really don't know.

  • Odinthedark1Odinthedark1 Member Posts: 330

    Lol! there is no profanity filter anyway so piss and moan all you want, argue pointlessly but the fact of the matter is the OP was either dumb or trolling.

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,392

    Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

    I got threatened to be kicked due to be swearing.. And it blocked my message.

    Since when was this approveD?

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969

    Originally posted by Mellkor

     




    Originally posted by Sovrath





    Originally posted by victorv1968



     

    I work in HR I will go out and look at peoples Facebook, myspace pages before hiring them it is part of my job.  if they are talking in ebonics and using foul disrespectful language they will prolly not get the job.  

     

    You have freedom of speech but you have to face the consequences of such speech.






    Yeah, I work clostely with HR and they do the exact same thing. They look at facebook pages, blogs, etc and if it paints a less than congenial picture they will pass on the candidate.





    How does that actually work if a persons profile is Private?

    Well that's the saving grace for the person whose profile it is. That's why if you are going to have a blog or facebook page, make sure you know who has access to it. If it's not private and anyone can see then there are people who might want to see that info.

    Or you can do what some people do and have two facebook pages. One for public consumption and one for private. And if you have a blog and it's public then what you put there is going to be looked at by some employers. If  they can defiitely connect that blog to you.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,969

    Originally posted by Odinthedark1

    Lol! there is no profanity filter anyway so piss and moan all you want, argue pointlessly but the fact of the matter is the OP was either dumb or trolling.

    Actually there is a profanity filter, it just acts in a weird way. I've typed regular sentences and have had red writing come up and indicate that "part of my entry was blocked because it broke the rules of our... whatever".

    My guess is that they are still going through the database and it just isn't fully implemented in the game.

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  • ScypherothScypheroth Member Posts: 264

    didnt your momma ever say swearing was bad? shame on u all!

  • OziiusOziius Member UncommonPosts: 1,406

    Originally posted by Scypheroth

    didnt your momma ever say swearing was bad? shame on u all!

    lol

  • KehdarKehdar Member UncommonPosts: 441

    @Sovrath: In CBT every thing that could be a site address was filtered so things like ".com" ".net" "www." "dot com" were filtered. Dunno if that changes with OBT.

  • csthaocsthao Member UncommonPosts: 1,123

    Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

    Originally posted by elocke

    OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

    No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.

    This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.

    That's like saying, its their buisnes, they can choose not to do buisness with you even after you've paid for a period of time.

  • TheTrueKingTheTrueKing Member Posts: 427

    Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

    I got threatened to be kicked due to be swearing.. And it blocked my message.

    Since when was this approveD?

    I'm actually very pleased that someone, even if a developer is finally making foul language unacceptable.

     

    Personally I think foul language is over used and flat out un neccesary.  It typically makes people look ignorant and un educated since if you have a full vocabulary you can do more in expressing your opinion then using experlatives that are offensive.

     

    The down fall of social behavior and respect towards others within the gaming community is horrific especially within the NA market, IMO its start is with language and the fragrant disregard towards others feelings of the use of such foul language. 

     

    But thats just my opinion.  In my real life when doing business if someone cusses during a phone conversation I'll ask them to please watch their language, if they continue I hang up and discontunue further dealings.   Same in my recreational life, if I'm at a bar and some jackass is near my wife and I and he's F'ing this and SH'ing that and just being foul I'll point out the fact that ladies / a lady is present and shockingly most of them find it appealing that someone is standing up for etiquette.

     

    So if I don't allow cussing around me in my real life why on earth would I tolerate it in my gaming experience? just saying. :P

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,079

    Originally posted by colddog04

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    Originally posted by colddog04


    Originally posted by JTST83

    For the record, Swearing isn't a freedom of speech issue, in fact, other peoples right trump your right to swear.

     

    In other words, you're not allowed to swear if it offends someone else because then you're encroaching on their rights.

    Am I not allowed to eat a cow in front of a Buddhist temple because it offends someone?

    Yes, but not "in" their temple.

    Am I not allowed to protest in favor of killing babies because it offends someone?

    Yes, but not in their church/home etc.

     Am I not allowed to take my hat off and rub my belly and head at the same time because it offends someone?

    Well sure, but I recommend you don't do during a meeting of the board of directors or you'll probably find yourself looking for a new job.

    Who decides what is offensive to someone else? If I start telling people that it offends me if they chew with their mouth open, am I allowed to stop them from doing that?

    Well, that is at the very least bad manners, and you are within your rights to ask them to try and improve on that.

     They are encroaching on my rights with their disgusting behavior!

    You are with in your rights to do almost anything that is legal (and swearing is legal) but you are not permitted to do it everywhere you chose to.

    When you join an online game you are in someone's house, and even if you pay for the priviledge there are "house" rules that must be followed, or you will be ejected.

    But come on, you're just arguing for the sake of it.  You certainly know what society expects of you in most social situations and what is appropriate.

    And if you don't, well then, that explains a lot about what's wrong in the world today.

     

    I'm not really sure why you quoted me here. 

     

    He said , "you're not allowed to swear if it offends someone else because then you're encroaching on their rights." I then listed a bunch of silly situations where you can offend someone where it is obviously not encroaching on someones rights. Just like profanity does not encroach on someone's rights.

     

    And I really don't know why you list exact areas in life where the situations I list would be illegal. Is it illegal to have sex? No. Is it illegal to have sex at the Wal-Mart cash register? Yes it is. And it also has nothing to do with the point I was making.

     

    I wasn't really discussing decency. I was directly responding to the person's post. Which was absolutely wrong. If you had continued reading the posts in the thread, you would have seen that I expressed my personal opinion about TERA and their stance against profanity. 

     

    When it comes to the game, it's their game, they can do what they want with it. Do I think they're lame if they censor profanity and ban people for it? Yes. But obviously it is their property and they can do whatever they want.

     

    This appears to largely agree with the heart of your post.

    LOL I actually read the entire thread, but not in one sitting, so I have dropped in at times and lost the continuity of it.

    If we're mostly in agreeement then my apologies.

     

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  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,177

    When Congress develops an MMO, people can scream about freedom of speech all they want. Until then, you are playing on privately owned servers, you play by the operator's rules.

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  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Member Posts: 1,036

    Originally posted by csthao

    Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh


    Originally posted by elocke

    OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

    No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.

    This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.

    That's like saying, its their buisnes, they can choose not to do buisness with you even after you've paid for a period of time.

    Yep, and thats why there's an End User Licensing Agreement. If you dont agree to their terms, they wont do business with you.

    And what does Maple Story have to do with anything?

  • Odinthedark1Odinthedark1 Member Posts: 330

    Originally posted by Sovrath

    Originally posted by Odinthedark1

    Lol! there is no profanity filter anyway so piss and moan all you want, argue pointlessly but the fact of the matter is the OP was either dumb or trolling.

    Actually there is a profanity filter, it just acts in a weird way. I've typed regular sentences and have had red writing come up and indicate that "part of my entry was blocked because it broke the rules of our... whatever".

    My guess is that they are still going through the database and it just isn't fully implemented in the game.

    You in EU or sumthin? cause i put all kinds of the obvious vulgarity into chat and it went through im in the states...

    Edit: its not getting blocked but occasionally ill notice the chat will glitch where it will show my friend saying sumthin...it will show up in a chat bubble but not the chat tray, i think this is just a bug as he didnt get any messages saying he was blocked it just didnt show in chat box.

  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771

    Originally posted by lectrocuda

    Originally posted by Deron_Barak

    IMO opinion swearing is censoring yourself. The point of censorship is to block or change what a person is trying to say. Since there are no curse words that act as a stand alone subject you can't make an argument that blocking them is censoring you.



    Adding expletives censors whatever point you were trying to make by brining attention to something unrelated and useless in your expression. It's the way I relate it to my young kids. Swearing, or "bad words", makes you sound less intelligent than finding the correct word or expression to get your pint across.



    2cp

    Actually curse words add an emotional context. In some cases they can definitely be used as pointless, useless egocentric displays of dialogue. However to dismiss all instances as this, is itself ignorant and displays a complete lack of understanding towards syntax, as well as linguistics.

    Emotional context is key to everything we do that relates to communication. To deny that, undermines the principles of public relations, which have defined our collective culture of consumerism that which spreads across ideologies and connects us all through economic servitude.

     

    Ex: If I say "It was huge." You get a picture in your brain of its relativre size based off the emotional emphasis ascribed to the term "huge".

    Likewise, if I say "It was FUCKING huge!" this context, vastly changes the relative size in ones mind, simply by adding and emphasize the word "fucking".

     

    How this become a moral issue is beyond me, as there are no gaurdians of morality when it comes to specific words. These are archaic artifacts left over from English conservatism which disguised blatant bigotry, self righteousness, and plain disregard for reality. To continue to perpetuate this idea by teaching children to disregard any form of communication that doesnt comply to a concept of morality that is vague, and simply not real, is absurd, and counter the premise of understanding as a whole.

     

    There is a deep psychological reason why these words are used, and that lies in their context. To ignore that as meaningful is to rob your children of an experience that can open up an new world of cognitive dynamics.

     

    Not to mention the two words every parent should understand: PROFANITY FILTER.

    I for one am tired on my life being dictated by ridiculous parents, over reaching protection of their children, who in a matter of time will be exposed to the horrors of reality like all of us. If you want to keep them in a bubble, that is your decision, but not one that I should be forced into conforming with, respecting, or participating in.

     

    Thank you.

     

    Part of why I am about automatically performing the ban operation is it takes the grade school playground attitude out of the point.  You know, the don't snitch bit that people under 10 years old promote on a playground.  See, if you put it on the person that snitches then the person violating the rules can pretend like he didn't do anything which again is childish.

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  • ConsequenceConsequence Member UncommonPosts: 358

    Personally, I could care less.

     

    The way I see it is this is completely the player's fault. MMO communities have become so venemous and so aggressive in chat that the need for policing is just too strong.

     

    10 years ago when MMO communities were still figuring themselves out and most parents were still hesitant to give their CC info to the 15 year old in order to subscribe to a game. Nowadays, if there is global chat in a game, it is flooded with thousands of kids using some variation of justin Beiber's name as their own spamming chat with obscenities and talking about rape as if it is cool.

     

    I would prefer all games do away with global chat. But, I understand the need for trading avenues sometimes so this cant be a realistic solution for a lot of games either. I just think it is better left out of most games.

  • CelusiosCelusios Member UncommonPosts: 337

    Smart move. I personally can get on a cussing rampage and need a system like this to stop my crap. However, it's also good because this game surely will have younger players who do not need to be outside of school and everywhere else yet again introduced to cussing. It's so bad now that little 13 year olds come online and cuss more than adults.

  • IAmMMOIAmMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,462

    Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh

    Originally posted by elocke

    OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

    No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.

    This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.

    No you don't have the right to say what you want just because you're paying for the game, you agreed to a terms when creating the account. You don't have the right to swear at who and what you want in a game populated with other players just because you sub to it. When you leave your parents house and work and pay taxes,it doesn't give you the right to go to the middle of town swearing loudly, you'll get arrested.


    What you say within a circle of friends is your business,but don't think you can go round in public chats acting as you like because you pay for access to service. This shows how immature you are as you really can't see the error of your ways, or the wood through the trees. You're acting like a typical young boy trying to prove to others what a big man you are and it makes you look a fool. Drop the big man act as it's doing you no favours kid.

  • BladestromBladestrom Member UncommonPosts: 5,001
    Exactly, having a game that enforces a little bit of civility is a good thing. For the boy that demands to be able to say what they want no matter who it offends, ask yourself would you be offended in real life if some stranger invited into your house started swearing in front of your family?

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  • ammoniteammonite Member Posts: 113

    Originally posted by IAmMMO

    Originally posted by Cakeisyummeh


    Originally posted by elocke

    OP, do you find it hard to speak or type without using an expletive?  May want to think about that.  If it's in their rules, I have no issues with it and wish other games would do the same.  I actually like to hear the subject of a sentence not the vulgar expletives that tend to drown out the point of a conversation.

    No, I'm just not liking the idea of being limited to what I say, I'm paying for the game, I should be allowed to say what I want.

    This isn't maple story, it shouldn't have word filters. IMO anyways.

    No you don't have the right to say what you want just because you're paying for the game, you agreed to a terms when creating the account. You don't have the right to swear at who and what you want in a game populated with other players just because you sub to it. When you leave your parents house and work and pay taxes,it doesn't give you the right to go to the middle of town swearing loudly, you'll get arrested.


    What you say within a circle of friends is your business,but don't think you can go round in public chats acting as you like because you pay for access to service. This shows how immature you are as you really can't see the error of your ways, or the wood through the trees. You're acting like a typical young boy trying to prove to others what a big man you are and it makes you look a fool. Drop the big man act as it's doing you no favours kid.

        Actually he makes a fair point about rights and expectations; he may be wrong. But, you on the other hand come across as dictatorial and offensive.  You had absolutely no reason to insult him. IMO you should apologise.

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