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Calling Out Trolls/Haters!
Okay, so with every MMO launch comes these new waves of trolololers that bash the game with no actual explanation or evidence to support their claims. They assume that their mindsight coincides with that of the masses, and their opinions are the final verdict and fate of an MMO's life.
So, I invite any and all trolls/haters and what have you to come here and actually explain why you don't like the game so that you and I can actually debate about it.
However, there are some guidelines:
1. Any and all criticisms of the game have to be fully explained and fleshed out. No one sentence critiques such as "It's grindy *faceroll*".
2. All criticisms of this game must also be backed up with supporting evidence on how it's done better to you from some of the other most popular games in the MMO genre such as; World of Warcraft, Rift, etc.
3. When you criticize something, you must also explain why you are upset, and what you actually expected and hoped would be in the game instead. Absolutely no crying wolf here.
4. Absolutely no comparison can be made from TERA to games outside the related MMO genre nor towards games that aren't out yet. (No making your criticisms becayse of your over-hyped speculation of the "saving grace" you think will be GW2).
This is a debate. This will not be an argument to turn into a bigger troll fest. I'm just sick and tired of seeing the millions of threads that hate on a game without any explanation, and I'm inviting anyone and everyone here to actually discuss it in a real way.
EDIT: As per request. You can't say "because it's Asian" either. Thanks.
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*Grabs some popcorn* This should be interesting.
Edit. I personally don´t have enough opinion about the game to say if it sucks or rocks. I tried the BETA for 3-4 hours and liked the combat, but didn´t like the asian styled graphics. But would have to test it ALOT more to give a final verdict.
What about the ambivalents? The apathetics? Do you honestly want to exclude certain groups? Do those not live up to your "standards" for who should participate in your thread? Huh, buddy?
Think about it.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I don't care for the ambivalents and the apathetics probably won't garner the care to post anyway so I think I'm good in that department.
Haha :P
I'm not sure what you think is going to come of this.
If someone tried the game and didn't like or outright hated it and has specific reasons, is the "debate" going to change their mind?
If someone is trolling the game will they stop trolling?
I don't see how this can end well.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
I'm hoping it'll be interesting too, maybe I'll get one of these guys to actually form a real opinion about the game beyond just a surface level analysis.
And yeah, the graphics may or may not be for everyone. It can't be argued that the game doesn't look amazing, the graphics are super high end and the world is incredibly detailed. But if it comes down to the style (like it is for you), then yeah you're either going to like it and tolerate it or it just won't be for you.
Why do you include dislikers in the same category as trolls and haters? If I don't like a game for a reason that essentially boils down to "I personally don't like how they did this", why would I have to try to justify it to anyone? You know you're only going to get flames here...
edit: typos...
It's not exactly something to change their minds, nor is it something to end their trolling thing all together.
But I argue that a games' community is what holds the game together for the long haul more than anything else. And people in general these days are too quick to complain and cry wolf when a game doesn't live up to their utopian hopes and dreams. Maybe this will be a post for people to realize that the best games take time, trial and error, and that their nothing without people who stick it out for what's good about a game and help the developers help the game by being positive instead of insta-quit trolling.
Note taken, didn't really mean dislikers as in the term you've stated. Was just coming up with possible synonyms, but I've changed it. Thanks.
Tera just isn't a competitor in the MMO market. If you like it, more power to you, for the rest of us, there are just too many good games coming out this year to worry about a non-starter like Tera. Sorry.
Looks like a typical Anime MMO with over-exaggerated movements, weapons, and cutesy tootsy characters, npc's and other crap.
Avoiding this one like the plague.
I played the game for about 10 hours, got a sorcerer to level 16 and detailed why I did not enjoy the experience on another thread. Multiple people told me that it would get better after 20 or that I didn't have to do the traditional questing and I could go off the rails and go farm mobs. This wasn't good enough for me, so I decided that I wasn't buying the game.
I appreciate that games take time to evolve, as does the community. But as an example, SWTOR released with a lot of significant features missing and only 4 months later did they add some of those in as a patch. That's a long wait for a complete game or a good gaming experience TO ME. If Tera was F2P I would have definitely logged on occasionally to play, but it's not worth a sub, again TO ME. And frankly there's nothing I think I'm missing in my understanding of Tera to somehow change my mind. On top of it, while the graphics were pretty and well optimized, the art style left a lot to be desired TO ME.
At any rate, good luck with this thread...
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
lolol and by "the rest of us" you mean who?
oh and btw you fall perfectly in the category of people that the op is talking about. Take a look at your post, did you mention why specifically you dislike the game?
Save yourself some time, if you're looking for a pve mmo that you can sit there bash a few keys and not have to actively play, then tera isn't the game for you. Now if you are in a pvp guild or enjoy pvp and want some great group pvp this game rocks in that particular department. The gvg aspect is simply the most fun thing I have played in a long time. Rexshadowz posted on another thread his experience vs. 2 other guilds and to sum it up, he got sandwiched and defeated. But instead of complaining his guild went out and found guild 1 and 2 and beat them. This is the segement of the market, or demograph that this game will really shine with. Also unlike GW2 there is OPEN WORLD PVP. Most people don't like this aspect. A lvl 32 being able to kill lvl 12's whenever he/she chooses. I know I personally killed about 100 people last night all lower lvl just for fun. What then happened was I had to fight it out with people equal my lvl who came hunting me. Needless to say I beat a few of them as well, until a mixed group of Lvl 16's-32's came and took me out. This was fun and something Mmo's have been missing for a long time.
And to that I say why do you not think it's a competitor? What does it have/not have that deems it doom to fall to the wayside? And what "good games" are coming this year that you apparently believe are going to be amazing that aren't going to come with their handfull of things you also dislike, bugs that need to be fixed, and features/parts of the game that are simply lacking and leave you desiring for more.
I dont like the game. The reason is because the name of it sounds too close to Terable or Terabad
Oh sure, you change it for him, but not me? Now I really feel left out.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
I will agree with you that the beginning of TERA isn't as exciting as the game evolves to be. But I personally believe that it's done for a reason. This game does a good job at really introducing you into the game and how to play it well, albeit they might hold your hand for a little too long. But so do a lot of games these days.
If you didn't like the questing, then what type of questing or leveling pattern would you prefer that's out there right now?
And you're complaining about SWTOR taking a while to roll out content. To this I agree, they did take a while on their end. But no game is going to release to where people are 100% satisfied with the game. It's impossible. Take RIFT for instance, it launched with a lot of content, but also a lot missing. But over the time-span of just it's first year it received numerous awards for being the most improved MMO of the year, and is now flourishing with much of the content that the community who stuck around wanted. Every MMO takes time, and progress is only gained from how the community gives feedback.
I personally believe there's an incredible amount of depth to TERA that slowly reveals itself as you play through the game, and is only going to be realized by people who take the time to play through and find it all.
As for the graphics, they are extremely well detailed and HD. The art style won't be everyone this is correct, and it's fair that it left things to be desired. But to that, I say what do you want out of graphics in an MMO? WoW has the simplest graphics of all and while HD, nothing is intricate in its design. AoC attempted the realism approach which bogs down a lot of peoples' computers. SWTOR and GW2 opted for a stylized realism that is going to find its lovers and haters in both how they are still going to be very cartoony graphics. So it's fair that you don't like the style of this MMO, I'm just curious what people desire otherwise.
Fixed. lol.
The point is not to change their mind, the point is to debate about the game to see the faults and the good. If you hate Tera for whatever reason good for you. But at least explain yourself why so we understand where your coming from. Just like constantly spam Tera sucks or this game is bad not going to turn us away from Tera but does open our eyes to the problems that other people might see as well. And maybe the community will bring it to EME's attention and who knows it might get fixed. Just look at the new prolog area. It was added because enough people give valid concern about how the game pick up too slowly for many people to get suched in so they added in something entirely new right in the middle of fucking cbt and obt (which btw is fucking awesome to see a company willing to do this). While its not perfect it shows that the company does listen and is willing to change. So any valid complaints could possibly be future changes.
O ya thats good one to add.
Well I guess i'll list my concerns, while I love Tera and will be playing it none stop I guess I should start it off and give an exmaple on how it should look like ish I hope lol?
1. Game pick up too slow: As said eailer game pick up too slow for some people. and many aren't willing to grind to lvl 20 to experience their first BAM and dungeon. The new prolog is nice but could be done better, I'm sure many were confused by all the skilled. I think the fix is simple, add in literealy 2 BAM and the game is good. Add a 8/9 BAM area on island of dawn of people can have a taste of it. Than a lvl 15 BAM to fill the gap between 11-20. Because after 20 literealy there is a BAM ever 2 freakn lvl so i don't think its too much to ask to add in 2 BAM to pre lvl 2.
2. PvP level scaling: Ok it makes sense in PvE to make higher lvl more challenging, however make no sense in PvP what so ever. Higher lvl already has an advantage of gear and lvl don't add in extra scaling that make them do more dmg and take less dmg. I think this kinda passed by the dev because well one koreans don't OWPVP much in KTera, and two most of them always grind to cap before pvping. So it was never an issue in Korea however in NA/EU people start PvPing at lvl 11 and the scaling ruins OWPVP for many. Soluation be simply to remove the retardly scaling from PvE which I don't think it be that hard as well.
3. Generic Questing: I personally don't have a problem with this since I'm use to grind fest so having quest to lvl is god sent lol. But enough people complain about it (and thank god some give reason) that i believe its an issue to be addressed. For this err idk how to go on this but its not an easy process to fix. People should understand that many mmorpg changes over time and get better and better. Tera is a brand new game with a brand new company making and hosting it. They don't have the funding SWTOR did in making their game. They spend like 30-50m making Tera, and I'll say the combat must have been hell to make and thats probably where most of their time and money is spent. Quest we will have to wait and see as it grows over time, its a weak point but you can't expect a perfect game at the start.
4. PvP has no point: Err idk I'm on the fence on this one. I personally pvp for the hell of it and its fun. but i kinda understand that some people need incentive to OWPVP. Well for one OWPVP let you control world bosses, but i can't think any award should come from random OWPVP because its too easy abused and such. What I hope for a soluation is stuff like Seige to be added. Since these are the guys that made L1 and L2 and I know everyone talk about L2's seige none stop I don't think they will let that one slide that easliy.
That's fair. If you don't like the style of a game you're probably not going to want to try it. I believe once people really get into the game it's a lot better than it might look. But that being said, if you don't like the style then you just don't like it.
If someone exhibits the 4 criteria you have detailed, and there are *plenty* of posts in other threads that do just this, then they arent a troller or a hater.
It isn't hard for anyone looking at things with an intelligent, analytical point of view to see that there are plenty of legitimate reasons that TERA doesn't resonate with people.
I don't think it should be but from so many post we seen it is. The amount of people that can read the future just grows everday on this thread =
Oh yeah, TL;DR : I will explain my position on not liking TERA, logically. I wont be trolling and I'll write out whole thoughts. Not worth reading to anyone but people who want to engage in discussion.
I'll bite. I tried TERA's open beta and was impressed. I had fun and thought that the concept was neat for combat. In fact, I think with Vindictus having success and hopefully TERA, we will soon have a decent MMO that does not do auto attacks and tab to target type combat.
What I did not like and will keep me from buying and not returning is the themes that usually come with asian MMO's.
1. Too much emphasis on weird mounts, flashy pets and girly squeels that creep me out. Explaining this: My character cried when she failed at gathering and did some weird peace sign/cheer when she succeeded in gathering and made weird noises when she was in combat. I understand that this is the culture of asian MMO's but i don't honestly like the idea of designers going for real attractive character models that sound like 12 year old girls, who wear high heels. It just screams creepy to me. Also, mounts seem more important than gameplay. This always happens, but seriously, if a game flaunts mounts as a key feature today in modern MMO's, I usually make a bet that they arent trying to make a game with depth that I'll be interested in. I have the same criticisms of Vanguard, EQ2, Guild Wars 2, Arche Age, basically any of them. I just have no interest in a game that focuses on mounts being a feature rather than an A to B mechanic.
2. No weapon variation. Again, Western vs. Eastern. Vindictus was the same way. Every chapter you got a new weapon you could focus on making, for the priest, Evie, she had a staff or a scythe. There was no wand, mace, shield, dagger, book, or any variation. For the most part, it seemed like the first seven weapons for my slayer i acquired in TERA, all had the exact same shape. Just different designed on the same model. I don't want that. I want Vanguard's role. A character had tons of options, some werer better than others, but they had the option. Even Dread Knights (traditionally two-handed swords) got an end game two hander that wasn't a slasher, and the large quest weapons were mostly two-handed axes. My point is.. you could trick yourself into thinking you were swinging something different, even at the very least. Axes, in western MMO's usually are slower than greatswords, and blunts, cause different types of damage, or stun. I like that variety, I don't like that from level one, I will always be using the same weapon forever, and it's going to look the same too. Try Vanguards newbie area for free. Use a dreadknight, get the four or five quested weapons they give you throughout the newbie zone an see for yourself. Two of those two handed weapons (think the third and the last one) are so damn cool, I had a hard time giving them up because of the graphics. And that was all before I hit level Ten.
3. Crafting. I did not like that the crafting was staged in sets of 50 skill points, and you could not make any new/diffferent quality gear until you hit the new 50 skill pt. threshold. I also did not see that any weapons or armor, were any better than what could be quested for with my crafting. EQ2, Vanguard, LOTRO, and a few others that slipped my mind right now (hell let's even say Vanilla WoW) all had good, meaningful and engaging crafting. To explain, that as I think of my character's in those games, I had at least one crafted item worn at all times through my career. EQ2 I damn near have everything crafted on all of my characters.
4. Odd monsters. This wasn't exactly the asian theme coming out, but it made me feel like I was playing Gods and Heroes, EQ1, Warhammer, some random asian MMO, Final Fantasy and My little Pony all at the same time. The Monsters are all over the place, Two-headed dogs, then Centaurs, then weird, disc throwing monsters, TERA seems like it is confused with what it wants to go with. Little bitty dwarves... Not necessarily knocking it's direction, just want to know what direction it wants to go. Just saying, it distracted me long enough to give me pause and log out for a few hours.
5. It was... too easy and not very grindy? I expected to be level 6 by the time the beta ended. I made 16, and I was busy for at least 36 hours of that beta doing school related things. Not something you usually find with an asian MMO. I expected a grind fest. Maybe it comes later but I really didnt get to settle down and get bored with combat and try other features of the game, because I was simply moving too fast. Also, I didnt even die, once. I tried the harder content, I tried killing tougher monsters than me, I even watched others do the same and I didn't see anyone even get close to dying. Again, odd request of TERA, but it was way too easy in my experience.
I did like a lot about TERA, however. I liked that it had fun combat, and visually wonderful without taxing my machine. I liked exploring a bit. And I also love their enhancement crystals idea with gear/weapons. But, I don't really think I gave you much to debate. It's a solid asian MMO, and I dont like the things asians do as if it is MMO Doctrine for them. Give me variety with weapons, dont try to sell sex if it looks like it is 11, and make some deep crafting. My mindsight may or may not be with the masses, but I'll admit I have a taste for Western MMO's vs. Asian. Now, hopefully one of these westerners can make something better than what's currently on the table. For almost the same reasons as TERA, I have a sick feeling I may not like Guild Wars 2, either. Here's hoping for ArcheAge...
No, its not. This is another reason why debate like this is pointless, because people will twist things around to try to make their points. TERA is older than Rift at this point.