I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions.
It is Pay2Win in your opinion, so far there is no evidence of real imbalance issues in GW2 caused by the cashshop. And if you consider any advantage being offered for money a form of P2Win then TSW is also pay to win.
There is no sign of imbalance with the cash shop in secret world it has only been givingclosed beta. GW2 had an open beta which many left not only because of their cash shop but because it was overhyped. So theweight on you is to show how they items affect balance in the secret world. Considering theres no stats and you haven't played it how do you plan to do that? Noone said I consider every advantage pay2win I acutally have no problems with cash shops whatsoever. I only really feel a pay2win scenario is only achieved by selling pvp weapons that are A) Not comparable to in game weapons you can earn. PVP buffs that can't be earned by other means, C) other things that affect the pvp portion of the game (which gw2 does).
You have the issue with cash shops and I'm showing you you're pretty willing to embrace what gw2 does because you like the game but when TSW is mentioned "oh well its a bad game its pay 2win" when you have a less hypocritcial opinion I might be inclined to entertain it. So are you going to stop sidestepping addressing how your opinion is not hypocritical. Now just so all the fans don't go rabid I have acutally nothing against the business model if they can make money doing it great for them but If I play pvp I want it to be balanced w/o cash shops and that was gw2's only draw for me. When I played the beta I was just left with "meh" just not my taste.
I may consider reading this opinionated dribble if it were to be re-written.
During today's quarterly financial presentation Funcom presented the initial overview on the planned business model for The Secret World.
At the presentation we revealed that The Secret World will feature a traditional paid subscription model combined with micro-transactions through an in-game store. This information was provided as part of Funcom's financial forecast going forward, and no further details were given due to the fact that we are still working on finalizing the model.
We are very excited about introducing an in-game store already from launch. Being able to integrate the store into the actual design of the game pre-launch gives us opportunities you do not normally get when introducing a store after you have launched a game.
We will be revealing more information about the store at a later date, but what we can say for now is that it will focus mostly on convenience item and character customization items such as clothing - of which The Secret World will offer a ton of variety! As developers we are being very careful in making sure that items purchased through the store does not give players any unfair advantage against those who do not use the in-game store.
Character power in The Secret World will be determined by how well you play the game, not how much money you are willing to put into it. Funcom already has considerable experience with in-game stores such as these and we have previously implemented these systems without damaging game balance in our other games, and as such we are confident the same will be true for The Secret World.
We look forward to revealing more about the in-game store as we progress towards launch!
Sincerely,
Funcom
TSW WILL NOT SELL POWER. They will sell xp boost, but no Cash to Gems to Gold type of thing.
Honestly as long as there are thousands of pieces of clothes (clothers have no stats) in game, I would love to see a huge in game mall. 99c for pants, 99c for shirt ttype of thing. It fits so well in the modern day setting, be who you want design.
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions.
It is Pay2Win in your opinion, so far there is no evidence of real imbalance issues in GW2 caused by the cashshop. And if you consider any advantage being offered for money a form of P2Win then TSW is also pay to win.
There is no sign of imbalance with the cash shop in secret world it has only been givingclosed beta. GW2 had an open beta which many left not only because of their cash shop but because it was overhyped. So theweight on you is to show how they items affect balance in the secret world. Considering theres no stats and you haven't played it how do you plan to do that? Noone said I consider every advantage pay2win I acutally have no problems with cash shops whatsoever. I only really feel a pay2win scenario is only achieved by selling pvp weapons that are A) Not comparable to in game weapons you can earn. PVP buffs that can't be earned by other means, C) other things that affect the pvp portion of the game (which gw2 does).
You have the issue with cash shops and I'm showing you you're pretty willing to embrace what gw2 does because you like the game but when TSW is mentioned "oh well its a bad game its pay 2win" when you have a less hypocritcial opinion I might be inclined to entertain it. So are you going to stop sidestepping addressing how your opinion is not hypocritical. Now just so all the fans don't go rabid I have acutally nothing against the business model if they can make money doing it great for them but If I play pvp I want it to be balanced w/o cash shops and that was gw2's only draw for me. When I played the beta I was just left with "meh" just not my taste.
I may consider reading this opinionated dribble if it were to be re-written.
don't the reason you're not reading it is simple. You can't present your opinion as anything less than hypocritical. GW2 has been in open beta TSW is in closed beta. GW2 already showed the pay 2 win advantage which is more unbalanced then anything announced for TSW. You liked GW2 and didn't like TSW keep it at that and stop making excuses. I didn't like GW2 it was "meh" just like the first game instead of making up points to justify my dislike I just say not my game. You turn around defend it and make up issues that haven't been proven to be an issue defending the game where its proven to be an issue.
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
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Originally posted by Byrhofen I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2. But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions.
It is Pay2Win in your opinion, so far there is no evidence of real imbalance issues in GW2 caused by the cashshop. And if you consider any advantage being offered for money a form of P2Win then TSW is also pay to win.
There is no sign of imbalance with the cash shop in secret world it has only been givingclosed beta. GW2 had an open beta which many left not only because of their cash shop but because it was overhyped. So theweight on you is to show how they items affect balance in the secret world. Considering theres no stats and you haven't played it how do you plan to do that? Noone said I consider every advantage pay2win I acutally have no problems with cash shops whatsoever. I only really feel a pay2win scenario is only achieved by selling pvp weapons that are A) Not comparable to in game weapons you can earn. PVP buffs that can't be earned by other means, C) other things that affect the pvp portion of the game (which gw2 does). You have the issue with cash shops and I'm showing you you're pretty willing to embrace what gw2 does because you like the game but when TSW is mentioned "oh well its a bad game its pay 2win" when you have a less hypocritcial opinion I might be inclined to entertain it. So are you going to stop sidestepping addressing how your opinion is not hypocritical. Now just so all the fans don't go rabid I have acutally nothing against the business model if they can make money doing it great for them but If I play pvp I want it to be balanced w/o cash shops and that was gw2's only draw for me. When I played the beta I was just left with "meh" just not my taste.
I may consider reading this opinionated dribble if it were to be re-written.
don't the reason you're not reading it is simple. You can't present your opinion as anything less than hypocritical. GW2 has been in open beta TSW is in closed beta. GW2 already showed the pay 2 win advantage which is more unbalanced then anything announced for TSW. You liked GW2 and didn't like TSW keep it at that and stop making excuses. I didn't like GW2 it was "meh" just like the first game instead of making up points to justify my dislike I just say not my game. You turn around defend it and make up issues that haven't been proven to be an issue defending the game where its proven to be an issue.
And you did actually play TSW? Have you actually seen what kind of advantages they offer with their pre-order packages?
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
Your second post was
[QUOTE] Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere? [/QUOTE]
Then why is the cash shop an issue in TSW as opposed to GW2?
[QUOTE] If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves. [/QUOTE]
point addressed by the math provided earlier. So that negates any importance of the cash shop as opposed to the gw2 cash shop which includes basically gold buying and advantages in pvp. So tell me again how you didn't address your problem with TSW being pay2win ?
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions.
It is Pay2Win in your opinion, so far there is no evidence of real imbalance issues in GW2 caused by the cashshop. And if you consider any advantage being offered for money a form of P2Win then TSW is also pay to win.
There is no sign of imbalance with the cash shop in secret world it has only been givingclosed beta. GW2 had an open beta which many left not only because of their cash shop but because it was overhyped. So theweight on you is to show how they items affect balance in the secret world. Considering theres no stats and you haven't played it how do you plan to do that? Noone said I consider every advantage pay2win I acutally have no problems with cash shops whatsoever. I only really feel a pay2win scenario is only achieved by selling pvp weapons that are A) Not comparable to in game weapons you can earn. PVP buffs that can't be earned by other means, C) other things that affect the pvp portion of the game (which gw2 does).
You have the issue with cash shops and I'm showing you you're pretty willing to embrace what gw2 does because you like the game but when TSW is mentioned "oh well its a bad game its pay 2win" when you have a less hypocritcial opinion I might be inclined to entertain it. So are you going to stop sidestepping addressing how your opinion is not hypocritical. Now just so all the fans don't go rabid I have acutally nothing against the business model if they can make money doing it great for them but If I play pvp I want it to be balanced w/o cash shops and that was gw2's only draw for me. When I played the beta I was just left with "meh" just not my taste.
I may consider reading this opinionated dribble if it were to be re-written.
don't the reason you're not reading it is simple. You can't present your opinion as anything less than hypocritical. GW2 has been in open beta TSW is in closed beta. GW2 already showed the pay 2 win advantage which is more unbalanced then anything announced for TSW. You liked GW2 and didn't like TSW keep it at that and stop making excuses. I didn't like GW2 it was "meh" just like the first game instead of making up points to justify my dislike I just say not my game. You turn around defend it and make up issues that haven't been proven to be an issue defending the game where its proven to be an issue.
And you did actually play TSW? Have you actually seen what kind of advantages they offer with their pre-order packages?
Played closed beta on a friends account he is kind of meticiolous so he had stats for all the weapon in an excel document. So before preordering I asked him about the weapons. I forgot where they named them ... but anyway going through the beginning of the game I overshadowed those weapons with in game items. I bought the initiate pack anyway because I wanted the blood raven social pet. AoC provided the same type of beginner weaponry. Unfornatly they keep shifting out cb in an effort to not have people get "burnt" out on the game. The talismans I can't comment on due to them not revealing their names and at the time of the cb it was still chakras.
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
Your second post was
[QUOTE] Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere? [/QUOTE]
Then why is the cash shop an issue in TSW as opposed to GW2?
[QUOTE] If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves. [/QUOTE]
point addressed by the math provided earlier. So that negates any importance of the cash shop as opposed to the gw2 cash shop which includes basically gold buying and advantages in pvp. So tell me again how you didn't address your problem with TSW being pay2win ?
Ok, maybe English isnt your first language?
I will try and make it clear for you.
If TSW was subscription only, I would buy it.
If TSW was Cash Shop only, I would buy it.
TSW having a subscription and a cash shop means I will not buy it.
Hopefully you understand now.
It is nothing to do with the sort of cash shop it is, it is purely that there is a sub and a cash shop.
Should be one or the other, not both.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
Your second post was
[QUOTE] Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere? [/QUOTE]
Then why is the cash shop an issue in TSW as opposed to GW2?
[QUOTE] If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves. [/QUOTE]
point addressed by the math provided earlier. So that negates any importance of the cash shop as opposed to the gw2 cash shop which includes basically gold buying and advantages in pvp. So tell me again how you didn't address your problem with TSW being pay2win ?
Ok, maybe English isnt your first language?
I will try and make it clear for you.
If TSW was subscription only, I would buy it.
If TSW was Cash Shop only, I would buy it.
TSW having a subscription and a cash shop means I will not buy it.
Hopefully you understand now.
It is nothing to do with the sort of cash shop it is, it is purely that there is a sub and a cash shop.
Should be one or the other, not both.
OK but you do realise you dont have to use the cash shop if you dont want to ? So just choose not to. .at the most someone might lvl a bit faster because they have an xp pot.. or look cool in their pink leather jacket..
I dont see the issue with it having both a sub and small shop, nearly all major MMOs do it this way now..
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
Your second post was
[QUOTE] Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere? [/QUOTE]
Then why is the cash shop an issue in TSW as opposed to GW2?
[QUOTE] If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves. [/QUOTE]
point addressed by the math provided earlier. So that negates any importance of the cash shop as opposed to the gw2 cash shop which includes basically gold buying and advantages in pvp. So tell me again how you didn't address your problem with TSW being pay2win ?
Ok, maybe English isnt your first language?
I will try and make it clear for you.
If TSW was subscription only, I would buy it.
If TSW was Cash Shop only, I would buy it.
TSW having a subscription and a cash shop means I will not buy it.
Hopefully you understand now.
It is nothing to do with the sort of cash shop it is, it is purely that there is a sub and a cash shop.
Should be one or the other, not both.
Than by nature your opinion is hypocritical. Your willing to accept a cash shop in a free game but not a sub game which makes the pointless dribble about the cash shop irrelevant because that is not an issue. Your financial situation is so instead of making up charges just say its not the game for you and move on. Money is the issue not the cs.
I was originally looking forward to TSW, and had a rough plan that I would play both TSW and GW2.
But subscription and a Cash Shop is taking the piss, and now they have really shown how much they want to access players wallets, TSW is not the game for me.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions. Not to mention you can get new weaponry and xp elixers and other content just for playing their fb app for free.
First, no, I am not being hypocritical by playing GW2, I said TSW is not the game for me, due to the Sub+Cash Shop, and GW2 is Cash Shop only.
Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere?
If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves.
As soon as that extra 35% from EVERY player does not materialise, they will add to the Cash Shop, and since cosmetic items did not get the job done, what do you think they will add?
You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
Your second post was
[QUOTE] Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere? [/QUOTE]
Then why is the cash shop an issue in TSW as opposed to GW2?
[QUOTE] If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves. [/QUOTE]
point addressed by the math provided earlier. So that negates any importance of the cash shop as opposed to the gw2 cash shop which includes basically gold buying and advantages in pvp. So tell me again how you didn't address your problem with TSW being pay2win ?
Ok, maybe English isnt your first language?
I will try and make it clear for you.
If TSW was subscription only, I would buy it.
If TSW was Cash Shop only, I would buy it.
TSW having a subscription and a cash shop means I will not buy it.
Hopefully you understand now.
It is nothing to do with the sort of cash shop it is, it is purely that there is a sub and a cash shop.
Should be one or the other, not both.
Than by nature your opinion is hypocritical. Your willing to accept a cash shop in a free game but not a sub game which makes the pointless dribble about the cash shop irrelevant because that is not an issue. Your financial situation is so instead of making up charges just say its not the game for you and move on. Money is the issue not the cs.
haha yes, thats right, I dont like it because I cant afford it...made me laugh in RL.
Are you sure you know what hypocritical means?
My money is not the issue, how Funcom are trying to make theirs, is.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
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You said the cash shop is an issue because it sells weapons and talismans or that was my opinion to that you were responding to. First Off we have the gems they can sell for gold which is a plain old cash shop similar to plex in eve that is easily able to influence the economy. 2nd there is other items that go into the making of pvp structures I forget if its the gems or not which can easily turn the tide in pvp.
Also again because people can't seem to read they expect 63 dollars per person annually NOT from that individual player. They expect their will be some players who will make great use of the cash shop and others who won't. They ex[[ect that per month they will receive the equivalent of 5.25 per month for every player present and not from every player present. Heres the math.
$15 x 12 months = 180
180 x.35 = 63
63 / 12 = 5.25
Is it really that hard to read english?
During today's quarterly financial presentation Funcom presented the initial overview on the planned business model for The Secret World.
At the presentation we revealed that The Secret World will feature a traditional paid subscription model combined with micro-transactions through an in-game store. This information was provided as part of Funcom's financial forecast going forward, and no further details were given due to the fact that we are still working on finalizing the model.
We are very excited about introducing an in-game store already from launch. Being able to integrate the store into the actual design of the game pre-launch gives us opportunities you do not normally get when introducing a store after you have launched a game.
We will be revealing more information about the store at a later date, but what we can say for now is that it will focus mostly on convenience item and character customization items such as clothing - of which The Secret World will offer a ton of variety! As developers we are being very careful in making sure that items purchased through the store does not give players any unfair advantage against those who do not use the in-game store.
Character power in The Secret World will be determined by how well you play the game, not how much money you are willing to put into it. Funcom already has considerable experience with in-game stores such as these and we have previously implemented these systems without damaging game balance in our other games, and as such we are confident the same will be true for The Secret World.
We look forward to revealing more about the in-game store as we progress towards launch!
Sincerely,
Funcom
TSW WILL NOT SELL POWER. They will sell xp boost, but no Cash to Gems to Gold type of thing.
Honestly as long as there are thousands of pieces of clothes (clothers have no stats) in game, I would love to see a huge in game mall. 99c for pants, 99c for shirt ttype of thing. It fits so well in the modern day setting, be who you want design.
don't the reason you're not reading it is simple. You can't present your opinion as anything less than hypocritical. GW2 has been in open beta TSW is in closed beta. GW2 already showed the pay 2 win advantage which is more unbalanced then anything announced for TSW. You liked GW2 and didn't like TSW keep it at that and stop making excuses. I didn't like GW2 it was "meh" just like the first game instead of making up points to justify my dislike I just say not my game. You turn around defend it and make up issues that haven't been proven to be an issue defending the game where its proven to be an issue.
What are you smoking? see the part in red, you do understand that part, dont you?
Where did I ever say anything about the cash shop, any cash shop, being an issue due to selling weapons and talismans?
All I said about TSW was Sub + Cash shop is taking the piss.
There, you see, I said it again.
Now maybe you will stop claiming I have said something which I have not.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
if your playing gw 2 then thats hypocritical.
Considering the fact that GW2 hasn't got a subscription, now it isn't...
the problem is supporting p2win which gw2 is. I've played the beta and it is easier unless your hardcore to use the items in their cash shop. It is pay2win so if you won't support it in a sub game and the pay2win scenario is the problem then you shouldn't support it in a free game either. So by nature it is hypocritical because you'll accept the scenario under certain conditions.
It is Pay2Win in your opinion, so far there is no evidence of real imbalance issues in GW2 caused by the cashshop. And if you consider any advantage being offered for money a form of P2Win then TSW is also pay to win.
There is no sign of imbalance with the cash shop in secret world it has only been givingclosed beta. GW2 had an open beta which many left not only because of their cash shop but because it was overhyped. So theweight on you is to show how they items affect balance in the secret world. Considering theres no stats and you haven't played it how do you plan to do that? Noone said I consider every advantage pay2win I acutally have no problems with cash shops whatsoever. I only really feel a pay2win scenario is only achieved by selling pvp weapons that are A) Not comparable to in game weapons you can earn.
You have the issue with cash shops and I'm showing you you're pretty willing to embrace what gw2 does because you like the game but when TSW is mentioned "oh well its a bad game its pay 2win" when you have a less hypocritcial opinion I might be inclined to entertain it. So are you going to stop sidestepping addressing how your opinion is not hypocritical. Now just so all the fans don't go rabid I have acutally nothing against the business model if they can make money doing it great for them but If I play pvp I want it to be balanced w/o cash shops and that was gw2's only draw for me. When I played the beta I was just left with "meh" just not my taste.
I may consider reading this opinionated dribble if it were to be re-written.
don't the reason you're not reading it is simple. You can't present your opinion as anything less than hypocritical. GW2 has been in open beta TSW is in closed beta. GW2 already showed the pay 2 win advantage which is more unbalanced then anything announced for TSW. You liked GW2 and didn't like TSW keep it at that and stop making excuses. I didn't like GW2 it was "meh" just like the first game instead of making up points to justify my dislike I just say not my game. You turn around defend it and make up issues that haven't been proven to be an issue defending the game where its proven to be an issue.
And you did actually play TSW? Have you actually seen what kind of advantages they offer with their pre-order packages?
Your second post was
[QUOTE] Second, how exactly, is the GW2 Cash Shop Pay to Win? If I use items from the Cash Shop to level a little bit quicker than you, what do I win exactly? will my prize be delivered to my house or will I have to go pick it up from somewhere? [/QUOTE]
Then why is the cash shop an issue in TSW as opposed to GW2?
[QUOTE] If you, or anyone else for that matter, think the Cash Shop in TSW will only have cosmetic clothing, especially after Funcom have made it very clear they are expecting EVERY player to hand over another 35% of the sub fee via the Cash Shop, you are deluding yourselves. [/QUOTE]
point addressed by the math provided earlier. So that negates any importance of the cash shop as opposed to the gw2 cash shop which includes basically gold buying and advantages in pvp. So tell me again how you didn't address your problem with TSW being pay2win ?
Played closed beta on a friends account he is kind of meticiolous so he had stats for all the weapon in an excel document. So before preordering I asked him about the weapons. I forgot where they named them ... but anyway going through the beginning of the game I overshadowed those weapons with in game items. I bought the initiate pack anyway because I wanted the blood raven social pet. AoC provided the same type of beginner weaponry. Unfornatly they keep shifting out cb in an effort to not have people get "burnt" out on the game. The talismans I can't comment on due to them not revealing their names and at the time of the cb it was still chakras.
Ok, maybe English isnt your first language?
I will try and make it clear for you.
If TSW was subscription only, I would buy it.
If TSW was Cash Shop only, I would buy it.
TSW having a subscription and a cash shop means I will not buy it.
Hopefully you understand now.
It is nothing to do with the sort of cash shop it is, it is purely that there is a sub and a cash shop.
Should be one or the other, not both.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
Does this mean you don't play games like WoW either then?
Neither GW2 or TSW have a legitimate cash shop. Neither sell items at max level to give you an unfair advantage.
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OK but you do realise you dont have to use the cash shop if you dont want to ? So just choose not to. .at the most someone might lvl a bit faster because they have an xp pot.. or look cool in their pink leather jacket..
I dont see the issue with it having both a sub and small shop, nearly all major MMOs do it this way now..
Than by nature your opinion is hypocritical. Your willing to accept a cash shop in a free game but not a sub game which makes the pointless dribble about the cash shop irrelevant because that is not an issue. Your financial situation is so instead of making up charges just say its not the game for you and move on. Money is the issue not the cs.
That is correct, I do not play WoW either, in fact, right now, all I am playing is Guild Wars.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I doesn't see the point of people condeming TSW's business plan before seeing what the CS actually has.
If the items are purely cosmetical at launch it doesn't really affect anything.
It's like playing a purely Subscription based game that has huge variety of items to change the look of your character.
I personally see the CS more as a feature unless it starts selling time-savers or power. But currently we don't know that.
Have you ever played eve online as a curiousity.
haha yes, thats right, I dont like it because I cant afford it...made me laugh in RL.
Are you sure you know what hypocritical means?
My money is not the issue, how Funcom are trying to make theirs, is.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.