I am not trying to bash GW2 here for i am looking forward to it as well but fact is Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product (we dont even know when it will release) a product we cant even play whenever we want but we have to be greatful?
No one put a gun to your head. You did not HAVE to buy anything.
Agreed, Anet was crystal clear as to what you were getting yourself into.
I am not trying to bash GW2 here for i am looking forward to it as well but fact is Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product (we dont even know when it will release) a product we cant even play whenever we want but we have to be greatful?
No one put a gun to your head. You did not HAVE to buy anything.
I just know someone would give me this nonesens.
Sure no one did put a gun to my head but that never happened with any game so far it always was my choice sometimes i just wanted a game as early a spossible and had to struggle with bugs other times i waited and didnt had to struggle so i never was forced to buy a game before i found it playable for myself so what are you really trying to say here?
Oh nothing really you were just blabbering not thinking before you wrote this? well ok than maving on.
I am not trying to bash GW2 here for i am looking forward to it as well but fact is Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product (we dont even know when it will release) a product we cant even play whenever we want but we have to be greatful?
No one put a gun to your head. You did not HAVE to buy anything.
I just know someone would give me this nonesens.
Sure no one did put a gun to my head but that never happened with any game so far it always was my choice sometimes i just wanted a game as early a spossible and had to struggle with bugs other times i waited and didnt had to struggle so i never was forced to buy a game before i found it playable for myself so what are you really trying to say here?
Oh nothing really you were just blabbering not thinking before you wrote this? well ok than maving on.
Lol, dude. He said it right. Who told you to buy gw2 before release? It was just for fans who wanted to get into closed beta and pick up some bonuses. You are free to wait for release and buy it then when its finished.
I am not trying to bash GW2 here for i am looking forward to it as well but fact is Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product (we dont even know when it will release) a product we cant even play whenever we want but we have to be greatful?
No one put a gun to your head. You did not HAVE to buy anything.
I just know someone would give me this nonesens.
Sure no one did put a gun to my head but that never happened with any game so far it always was my choice sometimes i just wanted a game as early a spossible and had to struggle with bugs other times i waited and didnt had to struggle so i never was forced to buy a game before i found it playable for myself so what are you really trying to say here?
Oh nothing really you were just blabbering not thinking before you wrote this? well ok than maving on.
hmmm... I disagree... I think its quite the valid point. Anet was crystal clear about what it meant to pre purchase an unfinished GW2, yet people continue to complain about not having the game or not knowing when the release will be. As paying customers, you do have every right to complain to Anet... but to "blabber" about how "Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product"???
I'll say it again... no one made you do antying... no one allegorically put a gun to your head... get over it!
I do not think gamers should be grateful, appreciative perhaps, less cynical nah, less jaded definitely.
GW2 will have it's share of issues, problems, triumphs & outright failures depending on who you ask, it may even gain a consensus of what is good & bad about it among the community.
MMO's are without doubt the hardest thing in entertainment media to do really well, all creative endevours are fraught with pitfalls & the complexity of an MMO means it probably has a wider range of pitfalls than anything else yet created, some are obvious, some are mechanical, some are technological some are design choices etc etc.
I admire ANET's determination, but no developer sets out to create a bad game, every MMO developer out there wants to make the best thing they can & then some & work a lot of hours drink a lot of coffee & sacrifce time with friends & family to do it, it's their passion. Are there lazy developers? sure, but very few I imagine, the workload sorts them out pretty early I would think.
I blame publishers, yes it's a business & publishers are the business end of the creative endevour so they have to play their part, but I think all gamers wish publishers could be a little more lenient & let MMO games get that "final coating" of polish instead of pushing them out the door raw, MMO's I'm sure are still treated by them "like any other game" but they are not that, the publishers get a lot of stick & they probably get a raw deal, they can handle getting a raw deal usually, business is business not an art studio, but it would be more productive for them if they treated MMO's a little more like the complex articles they are & if they had a more MMO-friendly attitude I think they really would see a business-minded advantage in not pushing MMO's too soon & allowing them to get that polishing done better - they'd sell more in the long run & in the short term if the games had that "quality" back, & I think the first big publisher that does that will change the business models for other publishers, just needs one to prove the theory.
Sure no one did put a gun to my head but that never happened with any game so far it always was my choice sometimes i just wanted a game as early a spossible and had to struggle with bugs other times i waited and didnt had to struggle so i never was forced to buy a game before i found it playable for myself so what are you really trying to say here?
Oh nothing really you were just blabbering not thinking before you wrote this? well ok than maving on.
I'm afraid the only one not making sense here is you...
- ANet clearly said there was no release date fixed yet.
- ANet clearly said that pre-purchasing would give access to random beta events - beta means unfinished.
So if you didn't want to buy an unfinished product, why didn't you wait for the announcement of the release date to buy? Why do you whine that ANet made you purchase an unfinished product when they clearly said it was unfinished, therefore warning you NOT to buy if that's not your cup of tea?
Seriously...
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I am not trying to bash GW2 here for i am looking forward to it as well but fact is Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product (we dont even know when it will release) a product we cant even play whenever we want but we have to be greatful?
No one put a gun to your head. You did not HAVE to buy anything.
I just know someone would give me this nonesens.
Sure no one did put a gun to my head but that never happened with any game so far it always was my choice sometimes i just wanted a game as early a spossible and had to struggle with bugs other times i waited and didnt had to struggle so i never was forced to buy a game before i found it playable for myself so what are you really trying to say here?
Oh nothing really you were just blabbering not thinking before you wrote this? well ok than maving on.
Lol, dude. He said it right. Who told you to buy gw2 before release? It was just for fans who wanted to get into closed beta and pick up some bonuses. You are free to wait for release and buy it then when its finished.
Wow some GW2 fans are really blinded and feel offended for everything and just go into denial state.
I did not complain about what Anet did i am happy with it but the Threat stated we need to be thankfull since Anet is not rushing the game out (we dont even know thaty yet) in the post he said companys have statistics as to when a game can be release even tho its not finished yet and still make money and we have to be greatfull ANet is not doing that (again we cant know yet).
All i did was poiting out that Anet already cashed in on there product long time before its done so they can take there time they dont need to rush to pay bills they already got the income from the game.
Again i am not unhappy with the way Anet did it i knew what i was getting and thats fine i just dont think its something to be greatful for because in the end its the same thing we paid for a game thats not rdy yet the only difference is that this time i cant even play the game whenever i want (i could play a buggy game whenever i want after i bought it)
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Gamers are some of the most self-entitled people I've ever met. Some people are worrying about how they're going to feed their families week by week, while you're spouting off about how developers must cater to us.
These guys throw their children's college fund to the dust so that you can watch a pretty CGI intro because the publisher cut their effective funding five months ago, and all you can think about is how the developer isn't on their knees serving you breakfast in bed?
YOu got to admit..that would be a pretty awesome feature and well worth my 15/month....though if the server isnt attractive to me, i will flame them up and down on these here forums
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Again i am not unhappy with the way Anet did it i knew what i was getting and thats fine i just dont think its something to be greatful for because in the end its the same thing we paid for a game thats not rdy yet the only difference is that this time i cant even play the game whenever i want (i could play a buggy game whenever i want after i bought it)
That's also your own fault. See my previous post. ANet clearly said the beta would only be accessible during specific events. So complaining about not being able to play all the time is... nonsense.
It sounds like someone who bought a cheeseburger and then complains because there's cheese inside... /facepalm.
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Anet sold a lot over prepurchase already with the big shiny Beta weekend lure so a lot of us already payed for the game long time before its done.
Anet already got there money so they just can take there time now and thats better how exactly?
I am not trying to bash GW2 here for i am looking forward to it as well but fact is Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product (we dont even know when it will release) a product we cant even play whenever we want but we have to be greatful?
No sry not getting it at all.
It's cool, i get what u're saying, but for the majority of the game's development, this was not the case. Their prepurchase program is apart of their launch strategy. IThere's a report floating around that the average between game release and a preprelease purchase is 3 to 4 months.
Story and conceptual, there are other games coming out that are much more creative. I guarantee you those games don't have as many preorders by 1/2 of what GW2 is. This is because what GW2 has presented so far is in line with what they said the game was going to be. They have not appeared (with in game play) to cut any corners or present any less than what they have said.
There's a reason for this. REgardless on how we feel, we are all consumers. As much as we like something, if it looks bad we aren't going to prebuy it.
The OP has a very good point, and I'm inclined to agree. I know that 'releasing quality, finished products' should be standard. However, lets face it, it's not. Maybe it used to be, some time ago, but times have changed. We live in an age of reskins, repackaged content, and business over ingenuity. We've got too many Call of Duty's, WoW clones, etc.
And while everyone in this thread is claiming the high road 'we deserve nothing less than a finished product! why should we give a crap?', we are all guilty of supporting rushed out products with our money. Lets face it, when it comes to MMOs, it's just not often we get a finished product on release anymore. We're also running out of developers that are willing to follow through with that in this genre.
Anet may not have delivered the game yet, but It would be a very difficult argument to convince me that they aren't putting in their all trying to make this game as good as they possibly can. Like the game or not, if you want more quality products, it helps to show some appreciation to the few studios that are still dedicated to doing that.
Lmao I remember posts last autumn in SWTOR forums going like "Thank you Bioware for tireless work making this this awesome game!" After SWTOR relase a few months later those clowns removed their "VIP member since (insert CE pre-order date) sigs and started to whine. All I want to say it's a bit premature to praise an MMO company without seeing their final product. And the state of cash shop after relase.
I think you are confused, I am praising the publishers ethics, not the game. To which i think we all should be thankful exist. THey have said time and time again they have no intention of rushing this game out (we still don't have a release date). I think that says a lot about them.
If you like the game or not, that's a you thing, but you can't say that they are pushing this game out in an unfinished mess. You can't say they comprmised their "style" to make it easier to program or to use a previous game's engine and save some money.
And why should I praise them for that? Should I also thank company X for making a working cell phone I use or company Y baking a bread without a gillette in it? We all know that most MMOs released during the last 6-7 years were pure garbage and excact copy of previous garbage.
I did not say anything against GW2. Not interested in it but that does not mean it's a bad game.
One thing is to expect companies to create/making a working product, another is for companies to create/make quality products. More often than not, quality products are a rarity. In the gaming world, the standard is the pieces of sh*t made by EA Games, the rarity comes with Blizzard's WOW (at least before Cata), and in my humble opinion, Anet's GW2.
What I think dontadow is referring to is not being greatful to a company for making a working product, but for taking their time and possibly/probably losing some money (monthlys subs/late release) for the sake of making a quality product; in this case, GW2.
Exactly what i'm trying to say. GW2 is losing money to make this product polished. I can say the same thing for Trion, who developed a very well polished product in Rift (the only real neccessity it did not have at launch was a dungeon finder). These companies are losing money to bring this quality. I can guarantee they could have released their products a few months ahead of schedule (in rifts case this would have been more profitable, putting them in the xmas season).
I was playing a game last night, and didnt think that i'd wake up this morning still thinking about it. Companies aren't going to loose anything by bringing out a bad game. They fire some people, toss money into marketing, and voila profitable. But the game itself is not what it could be. I've always thought games as art. There are a lot of corner portrait artists out. But every now and then you get publishers (usually indy) who realize that game design is an art, and put extra effort into it even if it costs them a little more.
I can agree with that and hope that GW2 succeeds. Hey, the more quality MMOs we have, the better. Gonna play TSW myself just because I really like modern day horror theme but I must admit that GW2 will certainly come out with much less bugs and problems. Who knows, maybe I'll buy GW2 too if it's polished enough.
More funding than who? You think they had more funding than Bioware with SWTOR, than Blizzard has with D3, than Infinity Ward does with COD? They may have more funding than a lot of other companies, but the funding isn't the issue.
I see a lot of bitter posts in here, and instead of actually acknowledging what the OP is trying to get across and being greatful that there is a company that cares about quality, you would rather tear it down.
First of all, for those who ask sarcastically if this is something new then refer to Blizzard, I think you are incorrect and blinded by fanboyism. As a longtime Blizzard fan, they just don't look or act the same to me anymore. Distopia, in response to your funding statement, Blizzard has more funding than almost any gaming studio around, and have been developing their game for over 5 years, yet they are still cutting features to get their game out. What the hell is that and why is it acceptable? They have more funding, and more leniency than almost all devs, and yet they cut crafting professions, they cut PvP, just so they can get their product out. Most people don't care about PvP, or don't mind missing that feature, yet when a studio that big has been working on a product that long and then they cut features just to get it out the door earlier, I don't see that as quality.
The fact is, the striving for quality isn't the norm in the gaming industry today, a lot of studios just try to make their money off of the game they think will be the most profitable. Activision, keeps shoving horrible products out the window, and people keep buying it in droves. Of course, quality and releasing finished products should be the norm and the standard, but the fact remains that it isn't and so we should be thankful a studio is actually trying to do so. ANet does not talk about a feature unless it is going to be fully implemented into the game, and they only do that if they can back it up with proof. When they talk about something, you can actually find it in the game, and if they don't think something is going to be in before launch they won't blow smoke up your ass making you think that it will be. The fact that other studios fail in this area is the sad state of the videogame industry, but who cares I'm greatful somebody is trying.
Wow some GW2 fans are really blinded and feel offended for everything and just go into denial state.
I did not complain about what Anet did i am happy with it but the Threat stated we need to be thankfull since Anet is not rushing the game out (we dont even know thaty yet) in the post he said companys have statistics as to when a game can be release even tho its not finished yet and still make money and we have to be greatfull ANet is not doing that (again we cant know yet).
All i did was poiting out that Anet already cashed in on there product long time before its done so they can take there time they dont need to rush to pay bills they already got the income from the game.
Again i am not unhappy with the way Anet did it i knew what i was getting and thats fine i just dont think its something to be greatful for because in the end its the same thing we paid for a game thats not rdy yet the only difference is that this time i cant even play the game whenever i want (i could play a buggy game whenever i want after i bought it)
I do believe the point was that Anet went with that pre-charge for funding to allow a longer production time...something that other companies dont do and may start to do if GW2s launch is really smooth AND popular. Must be both to hopefully start the trend, and it is one that all MMO players should push to increase the odds of more MMOs being released in better shape.
The business end of it, makes sense, release the product that is costing vast amounts of money as soon as possible...but it makes even more sense if that very business has a way to allow for a longer production and release a better product...and more often than not it takes a sledge hammer to the side of a businessmans head to make them see a new way of doing business.
GW2 could be that sledgehammer if players pick it up and start swinging it.
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Gamers are some of the most self-entitled people I've ever met. Some people are worrying about how they're going to feed their families week by week, while you're spouting off about how developers must cater to us.
If I pay money that I have spent time earning on a game I reserve the right to be entitled.
Look, he moans about games, you moan about people that moan about games... it's really no better or even different and dosen't give anyone to right to look down on anyone else.
Again i am not unhappy with the way Anet did it i knew what i was getting and thats fine i just dont think its something to be greatful for because in the end its the same thing we paid for a game thats not rdy yet the only difference is that this time i cant even play the game whenever i want (i could play a buggy game whenever i want after i bought it)
That's also your own fault. See my previous post. ANet clearly said the beta would only be accessible during specific events. So complaining about not being able to play all the time is... nonsense.
It sounds like someone who bought a cheeseburger and then complains because there's cheese inside... /facepalm.
Dude seriously you got to be kidding me dont you?
I mean seriously you just cant be that dumb.
I do not complain about the fact i cant play i said so even in the part you quoted i knew what i was getting and i am fine with it what abot that made you think i complain about it and did not know what i got?
Seriously you just have to be kidding here or maybe you are just trying to piss me off i dunno.
The only reason i wrote about the difference in beeing able to play was to show where the fault in OPs logic is i payed for both games (the buggy one and the not released one) so Anet can take there time to finiish the game but for me the customer nothing changed i payed for an unfinished product be it the buggy one of the unfinished one but if i spent the money on the buggy one i at least could play it.
I say this to point out that i the customer do not have an advantage after spending my money and therefore do not see why we should praise Anet.(or at least not praise them for that)
Again i am not unhappy with the way Anet did it i knew what i was getting and thats fine i just dont think its something to be greatful for because in the end its the same thing we paid for a game thats not rdy yet the only difference is that this time i cant even play the game whenever i want (i could play a buggy game whenever i want after i bought it)
That's also your own fault. See my previous post. ANet clearly said the beta would only be accessible during specific events. So complaining about not being able to play all the time is... nonsense.
It sounds like someone who bought a cheeseburger and then complains because there's cheese inside... /facepalm.
Dude seriously you got to be kidding me dont you?
I mean seriously you just cant be that dumb.
I do not complain about the fact i cant play i said so even in the part you quoted i knew what i was getting and i am fine with it what abot that made you think i complain about it and did not know what i got?
Seriously you just have to be kidding here or maybe you are just trying to piss me off i dunno.
The only reason i wrote about the difference in beeing able to play was to show where the fault in OPs logic is i payed for both games (the buggy one and the not released one) so Anet can take there time to finiish the game but for me the customer nothing changed i payed for an unfinished product be it the buggy one of the unfinished one but if i spent the money on the buggy one i at least could play it.
I say this to point out that i the customer do not have an advantage after spending my money and therefore do not see why we should praise Anet.(or at least not praise them for that)
so you would rather play SWTOR than GW2? (SWTOR = buggy / GW2 = unfinished)
We're not saying you should praise Anet for taking our money for a game that is not finished yet. We we're saying is that we should thank (never praise) Anet for at least trying to do the right thing and continue working on their game until it is polished and propperly ready for release.
Originally posted by Stalkerous Originally posted by Azmodai Could you explain how the title and the post relate?
They do relate. What he is trying to say, is that we "as gamers" should be greatful that we will be getting a finished product and not a half done product which will be abandoned and never fixed. That ANET is trying their best to polish the game before releasing it.
Your explanation is more clear then OP'S just saying:D
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The OP has a very good point, and I'm inclined to agree. I know that 'releasing quality, finished products' should be standard. However, lets face it, it's not. Maybe it used to be, some time ago, but times have changed. We live in an age of reskins, repackaged content, and business over ingenuity. We've got too many Call of Duty's, WoW clones, etc.
And while everyone in this thread is claiming the high road 'we deserve nothing less than a finished product! why should we give a crap?', we are all guilty of supporting rushed out products with our money. Lets face it, when it comes to MMOs, it's just not often we get a finished product on release anymore. We're also running out of developers that are willing to follow through with that in this genre.
Anet may not have delivered the game yet, but It would be a very difficult argument to convince me that they aren't putting in their all trying to make this game as good as they possibly can. Like the game or not, if you want more quality products, it helps to show some appreciation to the few studios that are still dedicated to doing that.
YOu're right, we are all supportive of it.
WE can all use escuses. EA is pretty much the only game in town. Heck, i tried to boycot EA 10 years ago, before all this crazy crap started. I saw the writing on the wall when, the first thing they did when they got some money, is to buy out the NFL contracts to make it so no other game companies could produce NFL games. That screwed Sega and a bunch of other publishers, who, at the time no one had even thought ouf that idea.
I was pretty good for a long time, but then they bought bioware, and we all know how that turned out. I blew 300 bucks on SWTOR. I thought it was all hype, right up until my boss at work hinted that he was lookign to fill an advisor position, so i was all for it, hoping, saying to myself that maybe there was something wrong with galaxies. But it took 2 weeks for it to hit me.
I learned to do what I do now. try ot fade out the pretty graphics, can i see humans and orcs doing these same things. Have i seen this before. I remember being in one of the flashpoints, and thinking, i hate static places to stand.
But what choice do we have. This isn't the only market where big business is just "winning". The juggernaut moves on and its almost like u got to move on with it. Sure we support products like this, but in a couple years, EA will blitz the crap out of Titan.
If I pay money that I have spent time earning on a game I reserve the right to be entitled.
Entitled to what was promised for your pre-purchase. Not more. And that is an unfinished beta version of the product you can only play during specific beta events. And until the early access preceding the release, that is what you are getting, no lies here.
EDIT: and time to block someone rude (not you, Vesavius )...
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Agreed, Anet was crystal clear as to what you were getting yourself into.
I just know someone would give me this nonesens.
Sure no one did put a gun to my head but that never happened with any game so far it always was my choice sometimes i just wanted a game as early a spossible and had to struggle with bugs other times i waited and didnt had to struggle so i never was forced to buy a game before i found it playable for myself so what are you really trying to say here?
Oh nothing really you were just blabbering not thinking before you wrote this? well ok than maving on.
To be honest i would feel rather foolish paying a monthly sub when i can play guild wars 2 for free.
Lol, dude. He said it right. Who told you to buy gw2 before release? It was just for fans who wanted to get into closed beta and pick up some bonuses. You are free to wait for release and buy it then when its finished.
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hmmm... I disagree... I think its quite the valid point. Anet was crystal clear about what it meant to pre purchase an unfinished GW2, yet people continue to complain about not having the game or not knowing when the release will be. As paying customers, you do have every right to complain to Anet... but to "blabber" about how "Anet did make us pay for an unfinished product"???
I'll say it again... no one made you do antying... no one allegorically put a gun to your head... get over it!
Grateful they're in possesion of more funding?
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I do not think gamers should be grateful, appreciative perhaps, less cynical nah, less jaded definitely.
GW2 will have it's share of issues, problems, triumphs & outright failures depending on who you ask, it may even gain a consensus of what is good & bad about it among the community.
MMO's are without doubt the hardest thing in entertainment media to do really well, all creative endevours are fraught with pitfalls & the complexity of an MMO means it probably has a wider range of pitfalls than anything else yet created, some are obvious, some are mechanical, some are technological some are design choices etc etc.
I admire ANET's determination, but no developer sets out to create a bad game, every MMO developer out there wants to make the best thing they can & then some & work a lot of hours drink a lot of coffee & sacrifce time with friends & family to do it, it's their passion. Are there lazy developers? sure, but very few I imagine, the workload sorts them out pretty early I would think.
I blame publishers, yes it's a business & publishers are the business end of the creative endevour so they have to play their part, but I think all gamers wish publishers could be a little more lenient & let MMO games get that "final coating" of polish instead of pushing them out the door raw, MMO's I'm sure are still treated by them "like any other game" but they are not that, the publishers get a lot of stick & they probably get a raw deal, they can handle getting a raw deal usually, business is business not an art studio, but it would be more productive for them if they treated MMO's a little more like the complex articles they are & if they had a more MMO-friendly attitude I think they really would see a business-minded advantage in not pushing MMO's too soon & allowing them to get that polishing done better - they'd sell more in the long run & in the short term if the games had that "quality" back, & I think the first big publisher that does that will change the business models for other publishers, just needs one to prove the theory.
I'm afraid the only one not making sense here is you...
- ANet clearly said there was no release date fixed yet.
- ANet clearly said that pre-purchasing would give access to random beta events - beta means unfinished.
So if you didn't want to buy an unfinished product, why didn't you wait for the announcement of the release date to buy? Why do you whine that ANet made you purchase an unfinished product when they clearly said it was unfinished, therefore warning you NOT to buy if that's not your cup of tea?
Seriously...
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Wow some GW2 fans are really blinded and feel offended for everything and just go into denial state.
I did not complain about what Anet did i am happy with it but the Threat stated we need to be thankfull since Anet is not rushing the game out (we dont even know thaty yet) in the post he said companys have statistics as to when a game can be release even tho its not finished yet and still make money and we have to be greatfull ANet is not doing that (again we cant know yet).
All i did was poiting out that Anet already cashed in on there product long time before its done so they can take there time they dont need to rush to pay bills they already got the income from the game.
Again i am not unhappy with the way Anet did it i knew what i was getting and thats fine i just dont think its something to be greatful for because in the end its the same thing we paid for a game thats not rdy yet the only difference is that this time i cant even play the game whenever i want (i could play a buggy game whenever i want after i bought it)
Hit it!
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1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
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YOu got to admit..that would be a pretty awesome feature and well worth my 15/month....though if the server isnt attractive to me, i will flame them up and down on these here forums
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That's also your own fault. See my previous post. ANet clearly said the beta would only be accessible during specific events. So complaining about not being able to play all the time is... nonsense.
It sounds like someone who bought a cheeseburger and then complains because there's cheese inside... /facepalm.
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It's cool, i get what u're saying, but for the majority of the game's development, this was not the case. Their prepurchase program is apart of their launch strategy. IThere's a report floating around that the average between game release and a preprelease purchase is 3 to 4 months.
Story and conceptual, there are other games coming out that are much more creative. I guarantee you those games don't have as many preorders by 1/2 of what GW2 is. This is because what GW2 has presented so far is in line with what they said the game was going to be. They have not appeared (with in game play) to cut any corners or present any less than what they have said.
There's a reason for this. REgardless on how we feel, we are all consumers. As much as we like something, if it looks bad we aren't going to prebuy it.
Oh the hypocritical posts..
The OP has a very good point, and I'm inclined to agree. I know that 'releasing quality, finished products' should be standard. However, lets face it, it's not. Maybe it used to be, some time ago, but times have changed. We live in an age of reskins, repackaged content, and business over ingenuity. We've got too many Call of Duty's, WoW clones, etc.
And while everyone in this thread is claiming the high road 'we deserve nothing less than a finished product! why should we give a crap?', we are all guilty of supporting rushed out products with our money. Lets face it, when it comes to MMOs, it's just not often we get a finished product on release anymore. We're also running out of developers that are willing to follow through with that in this genre.
Anet may not have delivered the game yet, but It would be a very difficult argument to convince me that they aren't putting in their all trying to make this game as good as they possibly can. Like the game or not, if you want more quality products, it helps to show some appreciation to the few studios that are still dedicated to doing that.
I can agree with that and hope that GW2 succeeds. Hey, the more quality MMOs we have, the better. Gonna play TSW myself just because I really like modern day horror theme but I must admit that GW2 will certainly come out with much less bugs and problems. Who knows, maybe I'll buy GW2 too if it's polished enough.
More funding than who? You think they had more funding than Bioware with SWTOR, than Blizzard has with D3, than Infinity Ward does with COD? They may have more funding than a lot of other companies, but the funding isn't the issue.
I see a lot of bitter posts in here, and instead of actually acknowledging what the OP is trying to get across and being greatful that there is a company that cares about quality, you would rather tear it down.
First of all, for those who ask sarcastically if this is something new then refer to Blizzard, I think you are incorrect and blinded by fanboyism. As a longtime Blizzard fan, they just don't look or act the same to me anymore. Distopia, in response to your funding statement, Blizzard has more funding than almost any gaming studio around, and have been developing their game for over 5 years, yet they are still cutting features to get their game out. What the hell is that and why is it acceptable? They have more funding, and more leniency than almost all devs, and yet they cut crafting professions, they cut PvP, just so they can get their product out. Most people don't care about PvP, or don't mind missing that feature, yet when a studio that big has been working on a product that long and then they cut features just to get it out the door earlier, I don't see that as quality.
The fact is, the striving for quality isn't the norm in the gaming industry today, a lot of studios just try to make their money off of the game they think will be the most profitable. Activision, keeps shoving horrible products out the window, and people keep buying it in droves. Of course, quality and releasing finished products should be the norm and the standard, but the fact remains that it isn't and so we should be thankful a studio is actually trying to do so. ANet does not talk about a feature unless it is going to be fully implemented into the game, and they only do that if they can back it up with proof. When they talk about something, you can actually find it in the game, and if they don't think something is going to be in before launch they won't blow smoke up your ass making you think that it will be. The fact that other studios fail in this area is the sad state of the videogame industry, but who cares I'm greatful somebody is trying.
I do believe the point was that Anet went with that pre-charge for funding to allow a longer production time...something that other companies dont do and may start to do if GW2s launch is really smooth AND popular. Must be both to hopefully start the trend, and it is one that all MMO players should push to increase the odds of more MMOs being released in better shape.
The business end of it, makes sense, release the product that is costing vast amounts of money as soon as possible...but it makes even more sense if that very business has a way to allow for a longer production and release a better product...and more often than not it takes a sledge hammer to the side of a businessmans head to make them see a new way of doing business.
GW2 could be that sledgehammer if players pick it up and start swinging it.
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If I pay money that I have spent time earning on a game I reserve the right to be entitled.
Look, he moans about games, you moan about people that moan about games... it's really no better or even different and dosen't give anyone to right to look down on anyone else.
Dude seriously you got to be kidding me dont you?
I mean seriously you just cant be that dumb.
I do not complain about the fact i cant play i said so even in the part you quoted i knew what i was getting and i am fine with it what abot that made you think i complain about it and did not know what i got?
Seriously you just have to be kidding here or maybe you are just trying to piss me off i dunno.
The only reason i wrote about the difference in beeing able to play was to show where the fault in OPs logic is i payed for both games (the buggy one and the not released one) so Anet can take there time to finiish the game but for me the customer nothing changed i payed for an unfinished product be it the buggy one of the unfinished one but if i spent the money on the buggy one i at least could play it.
I say this to point out that i the customer do not have an advantage after spending my money and therefore do not see why we should praise Anet.(or at least not praise them for that)
edit - changed my mind lol
so you would rather play SWTOR than GW2? (SWTOR = buggy / GW2 = unfinished)
We're not saying you should praise Anet for taking our money for a game that is not finished yet. We we're saying is that we should thank (never praise) Anet for at least trying to do the right thing and continue working on their game until it is polished and propperly ready for release.
Your explanation is more clear then OP'S just saying:D
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YOu're right, we are all supportive of it.
WE can all use escuses. EA is pretty much the only game in town. Heck, i tried to boycot EA 10 years ago, before all this crazy crap started. I saw the writing on the wall when, the first thing they did when they got some money, is to buy out the NFL contracts to make it so no other game companies could produce NFL games. That screwed Sega and a bunch of other publishers, who, at the time no one had even thought ouf that idea.
I was pretty good for a long time, but then they bought bioware, and we all know how that turned out. I blew 300 bucks on SWTOR. I thought it was all hype, right up until my boss at work hinted that he was lookign to fill an advisor position, so i was all for it, hoping, saying to myself that maybe there was something wrong with galaxies. But it took 2 weeks for it to hit me.
I learned to do what I do now. try ot fade out the pretty graphics, can i see humans and orcs doing these same things. Have i seen this before. I remember being in one of the flashpoints, and thinking, i hate static places to stand.
But what choice do we have. This isn't the only market where big business is just "winning". The juggernaut moves on and its almost like u got to move on with it. Sure we support products like this, but in a couple years, EA will blitz the crap out of Titan.
Entitled to what was promised for your pre-purchase. Not more. And that is an unfinished beta version of the product you can only play during specific beta events. And until the early access preceding the release, that is what you are getting, no lies here.
EDIT: and time to block someone rude (not you, Vesavius
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