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Frogster talks TERA Elin censorship

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  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652

    they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

  • OtakunOtakun Member UncommonPosts: 874

    Originally posted by cronius77

    they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

    Wow, talk about ignorant. If you believe asian countries are the only places with child sex trade then you are obviously bias. Another thing is that Elin are not children. They are short women. To call Elin's children are like calling female dwarves and gnomes in WoW children. The only difference is that Korean games prefer pretty looking things over ugly orcs. 

  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by cronius77

    they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

    Oh yes like the same trade doesn't exist in western countries. Tell me how hard you have worked to stop this human trafficking.

  • gimmesomegimmesome Member Posts: 362

    Originally posted by cronius77

    they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

     

    Some cultures view the animals we slaughter, hunt, or tame as Gods or other spiritual entities.    Some culturess use narcotics or other psychadelic drugs to induce meditation or metaphysical trances.    Some cultures eat the hearts of their slain foes.    Some cultures mutilate their children at a certain age in a ceremonial fashion as a right of passage to adulthood.     AND... some societies strongly sexualize children/women and make profit doing so.  

      Most of us, including myself, in the US don't subscribe to such beliefs or ways of life.    To each their own is how we're supposed to live harmoniously on the same planet.      

    If you don't like what's depicted in a videogame, don't play it.   But, as it's a form of entertainment meant to reach people across the globe, it's very selfish of anyone who doesn't play it or like it to stop other people with different tastes, views, or lifestyles from enjoying the pixels.     It's a game, not a political initiative.

  • KuppaKuppa Member UncommonPosts: 3,292

    Originally posted by Xzen

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    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

    Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

    what are you talking about?

    Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

    Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

    Please do so, thanks.

    Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

    I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

    Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

    You are using a hypothetical that again is an impossibiltiy,

    What if aliens came and anal probed everyone!?

    GASP!?

    its just as impossible.

    When you use a hypothetical you must use one that is at the very least a possiblitiy.

     

    Wow, you are really confused. First of, that is not "impossible" its illegal. If it weren't, there would definately be advertisement for it all over the place just like any entertainment company does.

    I guess none of you guys ever been to Las Vegas. They advertise for "Call girls" everywhere. In California I've heard radio advertisements for breast implants. I've seen a school bus stop and right across the street a woman wearing less clothing than on the original Eline models in my own town.

    Skimpy clothing is not what Im talking about. And in Vegas if one of the folks handing out the small ad cards gives it to a minor they could end up in a world of hurt....

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  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by gimmesome

    Originally posted by cronius77

     sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

     

     Some cultures mutilate their children at a certain age in a ceremonial fashion as a right of passage to adulthood.     

      Most of us, including myself, in the US don't subscribe to such beliefs or ways of life.    To each their own is how we're supposed to live harmoniously on the same planet.      

     

    Well circumcision happens in the US regularly and is generally accepted....

  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652

    Originally posted by Otakun

    Originally posted by cronius77

    they will ignore you as they do not care about logic , just making their own point. The culture in general in a lot of asian countries exploit children all the time and anyone here that makes excuses for a pedo korean company is either in denial or has alternative motives. They knew when they put the race in the game to western audiances it would cause heavy drama. Go roll a toon on the RP server in En Masse and read the chat for a couple of hours , there is active ERP going on as Elins etc. There is specials all the time on the news about the child sex trade in asian countries and how the governments do not even attempt to do a thing about it. Its accepted and even the ones who hate it still just frown on it and do not do a thing about it. If people are decent human beings they shouldnt be RPing a kid in panties skipping along sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

    Wow, talk about ignorant. If you believe asian countries are the only places with child sex trade then you are obviously bias. Another thing is that Elin are not children. They are short women. To call Elin's children are like calling female dwarves and gnomes in WoW children. The only difference is that Korean games prefer pretty looking things over ugly orcs. 

     

     

    Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better of playing a Child Toon in panties skipping around smiling and laughing. Youre right though I am bias maybe.... but at least in my country you go to jail and are branded on a list if you get caught in that garbage. I do not play Tera anymore and I left En Masse a nice long message about this ERP garbage going on in their game. They told me to give it another week they would catch up and clean up the pedo talk in the general chat , but I didnt bother. If it quaks like a duck it is a duck correct?

     

  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

     

    discussion over.

    just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

     

    Here, I'll quote you too.  The link is pretty damning if you believe anything on Snopes (I happen to).  And if you don't....you can always research it yourself.  The presence of the Elin and the over-sexualization of women in TERA is why I chose not to play it.  For me, that title, just seems overboard with it for a game.  Games have a broad audience (age-wise) and in my OPINION this sort of thing is just abused in some games.  Oh sure, it's rated M....like that stops some stupid parents from giving it to their kids.  Whatever.

     

    Just not my cup of tea.  Only an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, and not based on anything but the art style.

     

    By the way....I do not think only Asian countries have issues with this.  My opinion is not against any people group, just the art style for this one game.

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  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Member UncommonPosts: 793

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

    "Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

    It's not selective, and the comparison between watching murder in games and the creation of child sexualization is not and never has been valid.  It's always brought up in these topics, and it's very tiresome.  The crime of murder is the real act, the crime of child porn is the creation of the imagery itself. 

    But this isn't even about legality, at least not yet.  It's about what they think an american audience, and lobbyist groups, and politicians will stomach if they happent to see the Elin.  The publishers don't want a crusade against their game.

    It's not censorship, it's business.  ffs...

    While it makes sense from a business point of view, I don't really agree that they should HAVE to do it in order to make their buck. It's holding a company hostage when they have to choose between product and money because it's an obvious choice.

    I'm not advocating child sexualization, but it also has to be about the context here. If I draw a stick figure of a woman does that mean I'm advocating anorexia? If I make a sculpt of someone with giant muscles that can't be done naturally am I advocating steroid usage? I don't think a creator in any medium should be held accountable for someone not being able to distinguish between fiction and reality, right and wrong.

    So yes, you're right. It is about business in the end. But I don't think for a second that creators want to put asterisks beside each piece of work they do that say "now now, don't think bad thoughts Timmy!"

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  • gimmesomegimmesome Member Posts: 362

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by gimmesome


    Originally posted by cronius77

     sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

     

     Some cultures mutilate their children at a certain age in a ceremonial fashion as a right of passage to adulthood.     

      Most of us, including myself, in the US don't subscribe to such beliefs or ways of life.    To each their own is how we're supposed to live harmoniously on the same planet.      

     

    Well circumcision happens in the US regularly and is generally accepted....

    True, but I don't see your point?   Other than agreeing with me that different cultures practice different lifestyles.     

    Prime example is circumcision being acceptable here in the US, while :Edit: we gasp at the thought/sight of other cultures that wrap their foreskin around a bone or bind their feet, or stretch their ear-lobes. 

    Videogames, imo, are supposed to be a subtle avenue to promote opening our minds and imaginations.   Americans really need to open their minds.    We're still young though, as a country....    very young and juvenile 

  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652

    Originally posted by just1opinion

    Originally posted by adam_nox


    Originally posted by adam_nox

    http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

     

    discussion over.

    just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

     

    Here, I'll quote you too.  The link is pretty damning if you believe anything on Snopes (I happen to).  And if you don't....you can always research it yourself.  The presence of the Elin and the over-sexualization of women in TERA is why I chose not to play it.  For me, that title, just seems overboard with it for a game.  Games have a broad audience (age-wise) and in my OPINION this sort of thing is just abused in some games.  Oh sure, it's rated M....like that stops some stupid parents from giving it to their kids.  Whatever.

     

    Just not my cup of tea.  Only an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, and not based on anything but the art style.

     

    By the way....I do not think only Asian countries have issues with this.  My opinion is not against any people group, just the art style for this one game.

    People on here take their games just like a cult they cannot see any blame or fault with what is being done. Just like if I make a negative comment here and say Im playing GW2 Im all of a sudden a fan boi and obviously bias. This game is your traditional asian game with half naked toons. The artwork is beautiful imo but they sexualize everything in it and it seems to me at least about 90% of the players on my server were teenage boys because it was always elin talk or boobs. The game has its issues for sure but it was not terrible but man the community in general in it was absolutely horrible. Of course as mentioned above Im obviously bias and ignorant......or maybe they cannot just accept that a person that played it also percieves it as indecent and exploitation instead. Hence the cult following...

  • XzenXzen Member UncommonPosts: 2,607

    Originally posted by gimmesome

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by gimmesome


    Originally posted by cronius77

     sorry but anyone with a logical brain should see the red flag here.

     

     Some cultures mutilate their children at a certain age in a ceremonial fashion as a right of passage to adulthood.     

      Most of us, including myself, in the US don't subscribe to such beliefs or ways of life.    To each their own is how we're supposed to live harmoniously on the same planet.      

     

    Well circumcision happens in the US regularly and is generally accepted....

    True, but I don't see your point?   Other than agreeing with me that different cultures practice different lifestyles.     

    Prime example is circumcision being acceptable here in the US, while me gasp at the thought/sight of other cultures that wrap their foreskin around a bone or bind their feet, or stretch their ear-lobes. 

    Videogames, imo, are supposed to be a subtle avenue to promote opening our minds and imaginations.   Americans really need to open their minds.    We're still young though, as a country....    very young and juvenile 

    I do agree with you. Cultures are different everywhere and people need to be less condescending about it. Every culture has it's own shortcomings.

  • futnatusfutnatus Member Posts: 193

    Not playing TERA I guess I can't care much?

    Though I always felt that female characters in general shouldn't wear ridiculously open outfits.  That's just a fail.  Screw you pervert playing female character just to stare at yourself.  That's personal opinion right there.

     

    As far as that Elin thing goes, it's not a big deal, so might as well take it out.  Certainly no one wants it to stay so badly that they'd be against just censoring it a little?  I mean, no biggie right?

  • AnirethAnireth Member UncommonPosts: 940

    I would more worry about reading it in the news every single day, then what's in a video game.

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  • rexzshadowrexzshadow Member Posts: 1,428

    Originally posted by cronius77

    lol I have no clue what you just ment I do go outside my house and my city.... I do know my countries laws and read about pedos in the news every single day in our city.  If im ignorant about not wanting to play a game full of pedo's and exploitation of children I guess ill stay ignorant man.  Oh ya you must be a foreigner about to go on a rant about how my country is way worse then a pedo......

    No I took a class called U.S. History, should i start listening the amount of wars this country has started? Amount of people killed? Amount of people that lost their home? Makes amount of pedo crime look like a joke.

  • YansheeYanshee Member Posts: 55

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Like the guy said, "don't buy it..."

     

  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652

    Originally posted by rexzshadow

    Originally posted by cronius77



    lol I have no clue what you just ment I do go outside my house and my city.... I do know my countries laws and read about pedos in the news every single day in our city.  If im ignorant about not wanting to play a game full of pedo's and exploitation of children I guess ill stay ignorant man.  Oh ya you must be a foreigner about to go on a rant about how my country is way worse then a pedo......

    No I took a class called U.S. History, should i start listening the amount of wars this country has started? Amount of people killed? Amount of people that lost their home? Makes amount of pedo crime look like a joke.

    I wont even get into a debat about country here with that as this country is FAR smaller the amount of atrocities throughout history and this is coming from a liberal not some patriot. You should read up more about Europe and Africa if you want to start talking about war and genocide throughout history. I can agree with you though about the problems with this country but it pales in comparison to quite a few other ones.  On topic though I'm sorry if it offends some of us here that the game has small children like toons that run around half naked. Maybe if En Masse (cant speak of frogster) actually kept the pedo ERP down on some of the servers? then maybe it might be acceptable? Ignore shouldnt have 100 names on it within a month of release or less....that says a lot about the community .

  • KuppaKuppa Member UncommonPosts: 3,292

    Originally posted by Yanshee

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Like the guy said, "don't buy it..."

     

    Im not talking about the game, but censorship in general, the article and their business decision.

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  • SpileSpile Member UncommonPosts: 12

    Since I am playing Tera and loving the game, I have to say why do people always have to relate a gameworld with the real world.

    These are 2 seperate things! If you cannot see that, then have your head checked out.

     

    Important facts (nothing to do with the real world, forget that part, you entered the rabbit hole into wonderland):

     

    - Elins are kinda unique of a race in Tera (small cutesy and whatever)

    - The are the OLDEST race in the game (hows that for your pedo remarks)

    - Nobody cares what they look like ingame if you just play the game, people that find this race pedo, i refer to you to the first 2 sentences of this entire post. Go have your head checked, we are just playing an online game here.

    - They are the female popori...those are dogs, cats, raccoons, pandas and teddybears. So gimme a break already.

    No other race ingame pulls any sexual stuff off with these girls.

     

    I think that pretty much states it all.

     

    Words of consideration: yes there are sickos in this world that would sexually like the Elins (nope not one of them, never rolled an Elin char and never will either)

    For these people that think they are some kind of sexual object...again read sentence 1 and 2.

    The child porn and freakiness may be a part in Asian culture yes and relating the game to the real life, never a good idea.

    It does give the game a diverse collection of races and characters. If you play Tera, read the history and play the game as it should be, i think you will look different at all races ingame for that matter on their culture and history.

  • AmanaAmana Moderator UncommonPosts: 3,912

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