If you include the free months they gave to people who got to legacy 6 or something, then yes. Given that the free month is over now, I wouldn't claim they have over a million subs. EA has said that since TOR isn't in the top 5 of their revenue makers, it's no longer a priority for development. Take a look at server loads now, compare to what they were like when they had 1.7M playing, draw your own conclusions.
Yeah, everyone is so dramatic. You will know when a game is really dead because nobody will post about it anymore. As long as the dramatic posts keep turning up, you know the game is still alive. It's truly sad people can't take the 2 minutes it took me to figure out the actual reasons the servers are empty. Simple math (total number of players divided by number of servers) will tell you they made too many servers. As far as I know swtor has around 3 times as many players as say...rift, but rift probably has half or a third of the servers.
I don't think the game is dead but the interest and the hype in it has died away. If you were in the beta you could see how things were going to go. Once the story ended a lot of peoples subs ended as well. WoW style of end game is not for everyone.
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
fanboys drowned it.
Where are the said fanboys now?
Indeed. There were a few of us here pre launch, some of us long term beta testers, who said exactly what the game was but we were troleld and flamed on usually a personal level (even when we actually just talked about the game), reported, and usually banned etc for being 'negative' (truth).
Ahh well, maybe people will listen next time. Probably not, but maybe.
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
fanboys drowned it.
Where are the said fanboys now?
Indeed. There were a few of us here pre launch, some of us long term beta testers, who said exactly what the game was but we were troleld and flamed on usually a personal level (even when we actually just talked about the game), reported, and usually banned etc for being 'negative' (truth).
Ahh well, maybe people will listen next time. Probably not, but maybe.
yea I remember, before the game released, there was that long period of pre-orders etc...The game was fierecly guarded by people just looking to stomp out any critisim the game had thrown in its direction.
Also remember when everyone was so overjoyed that Bioware announced there would be space combat, thank god they added that in. Id say that the game would have been better if they would have just dropped the space combat and focused those reousrces used in that process on something that the game needed more but the way it is now, it sure as hell couldnt have taken to much resources. Im sure there are flash browser based space combat sims that can rival it.
biggest mistake on BW side was creating so many servers, half of that just heavy sharded at launch and there still would be enough people even now to play on them... they had too high hopes, now even those of us who really like the game cant play it the way we like and go on breaks... and there is even less people playing
sad but true
For all that cryptic did wrong with CO and STO, the one thing they did right was to move away their developement process from multi server to one single big server.
For example STO, for all the failing it did, never was at the point where population issues hampered the enjoyment of the game for those that actually enjoyed it. Even if there where only 500 people playing that game at the same time, it would be 500 people playing TOGETHER in the same world(however often instanced it would be).
Population issues are the number one problem ruining my enjoyment of MMOs, nothing like searching 2 hours for a group. have it fail horrendously due to tardism and logging out frustrated because you just can't stand going through it all again hoping it will be better the next time.
I love how people's "feelings" on the state of a game means more to them than any facts ever will.
It is sort of like religion... which is funny, because scientifically, people's brains do not act the same when discussing deeply held beliefs. They are opposed to factual data and instead go on the defensive any time their belief is challanged, never thinking critically.
Haha, yeah, right, we're all braindead zombies who refuse to think. Thank you, Mr. Meme Parrot.
I love how people's "feelings" on the state of a game means more to them than any facts ever will.
It is sort of like religion... which is funny, because scientifically, people's brains do not act the same when discussing deeply held beliefs. They are opposed to factual data and instead go on the defensive any time their belief is challanged, never thinking critically.
I rather have my beliefs and carry hope than no belief and no hope. Makes life a little easier to bare.
We need to get back to multiplayer battles like this:
had the most satisfying lightsaber combat in Jedi Knight Outcast and Academy. They were these Action RPG first/third person games that were so crazy awesome to play online.
Well..I haven't had as much time to game over the last couple of months due to selling and buying a house, but I logged in last night around 9:00PM on the Jekk Jekk Tarr server, a west coast server, and there were only about 40 on average on the fleet, about 9-23 on Hoth, and between 3-9 in the guild. Just two months ago it was averaging about 120 on the fleet and about 12-25 in the guild. Yea, I noticed a big decline. They do need to do a server merge. I still dont have a character at max, my Sentinel is just about to turn level 42. Its hard to game with crazy work hours, gym, tennis, and other games on my PC like Skyrim. My 6 month membership will run out in June. Not sure if I will renew which is crazy considering I was planning to play for a couple of years. I admit it does feel very single player like, not that it bothers me TOO much, but I am already keeping my eye on GW2 and tend to focus on Skyrim.
I think it is a good game, but I just so want them to make the world feel more alive like GW2 did in the main cities. I agree now with others that the fleet was a bad idea...and even with one of the posters who regularly posted here that I found super annoying and whiney about day night cycles, etc. I think the game can still improve. I do think there are a lot of idiots here who believe if it doesn't have WOW numbers, it failed even though it has more subs then most MMOs. There are just SO many MMOs now and on the horizon. Its going to be tough (not impossible) for any game to hold millions of subscribers past the 6 month mark.
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
fanboys drowned it.
Where are the said fanboys now?
playing the game and not wasting time in useless forums ...
Yeah all four of them...
The game is dead and this is a huge step in the right direction for the MMORPG industry. Developers now will take notice and innovate and SWTOR's head on a pike will strike fear into future WoW cloners.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now! I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
It was on the beta forums...and it WAS there.
My first beta test was 15 months before release and the "OMG give it time" and "Its only beta" or "give them a chance" posts were as numberous and the fanboys replying now acting like cops standing in front of a burning building telling everyone that theres nothing to see here...The offical forums are flooded with people talking about how their servers have such low populations with people on those servers saying yeah yet the fanboys are trying to drown them out with multiple replys doing nothing but trying to insult people or discredit them.
Just like during beta.
Stop complaining, excuse excuse...you have no right BS...
One of the worst ideas the genre came up with was "open beta"...they used to be completely 100% closed and the only way in was if you either knew someone working for the company or had actual software beta testing expeirence, the application process was more detailed than a job appliaction. No freaking trolls, no disruptive BS from idiots that have no idea how the process works...and no morons just trying to play the game before buying it being a total ass in game on the forums.
Most testers have NO IDEA that they can drive some of the development process by working together as a community and voice their concerns...damn tragic.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Lets face it, TOR is a gonner, sleeping with his fail wow clone friends.
Sure if you like the game and not bored or whatever is posted on these boards, good for you but the reality is, the game is dying really fast.
Sad really , Bioware is part of EA, and EA just want fastfood and move to the next project.
Dead and sleeping? if they consolidate the 122 servers in half, it will be more than most games will ever hope to have.
Between the overblown hyperbole and the chicken littles running around crying the sky is falling, it's a wonder anyone takes anything seriously here anymore.
Most of the claimed oracles who forsaw the games doom, said it would fail before launch and then like the Millerites trying to fortell the end of the world, they just kept pushing the date back hoping they'd finally be right.
Mmorpg members may well be the worst place to try and get an accurate, unbiased account of a games appeal. Most of these people dont even play a game, well other than making the rounds through the forums to spew about everyone elses.
Let's be real. You think there wouldn't be any negative repercussions if they closed 50% of their servers in one fell swoop?
Problem with mmo's today is that in Beta, there is no testing it seem. People just wanna find the fast way to hit max level and the Devs think they made it right. Then it hit the rest and it fail...
I used to love it, this week I got real bored. Not sure I will keep playing for long. Maybe I try TSW. That one for ones don't look like a WoW clone.
Problem with mmo's today is that in Beta, there is no testing it seem. People just wanna find the fast way to hit max level and the Devs think they made it right. Then it hit the rest and it fail...
I used to love it, this week I got real bored. Not sure I will keep playing for long. Maybe I try TSW. That one for ones don't look like a WoW clone.
I wanted to respond specifically to this and the beta comments. I tested in beta for over 5 months writing many posts on how to improve or change the game. All you got was a constant gtfo from fanboys who got pissed that you said something negative. Constructive posts were met by see you at launch and ignored by Bioware.
The other problem was we were told directly from a dev that our testing was not important. That their internal testers had found all the bugs and issues with the game. This came directly from Bioware that what we were doing was not needed and not looked at.
We kept being told by fanboys that we were three builds or more behind internal testing and many things would be better at launch. Total lies. The funny part was the builds kept getting worse. Almost everything they tried made the game less enjoyable and bugged many parts of it.
I've never seen such arrogance by a developer and such a terrible community as this game had in beta. It was doomed from the beginning. Best thing for the genre anyway. The game completely took the MM out of MMORPG. This could have a been a great single player game.
I only post this because many people in beta tried to improve this game and had no impact on how it turned out.
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
fanboys drowned it.
Where are the said fanboys now?
playing the game and not wasting time in useless forums ...
maybe spending some time in the "useless forums" and offerign some constructive critcism might have been the best option to help the devs over at Bioware get a clue.
Lets face it, TOR is a gonner, sleeping with his fail wow clone friends.
Sure if you like the game and not bored or whatever is posted on these boards, good for you but the reality is, the game is dying really fast.
Sad really , Bioware is part of EA, and EA just want fastfood and move to the next project.
Dead and sleeping? if they consolidate the 122 servers in half, it will be more than most games will ever hope to have.
Between the overblown hyperbole and the chicken littles running around crying the sky is falling, it's a wonder anyone takes anything seriously here anymore.
Most of the claimed oracles who forsaw the games doom, said it would fail before launch and then like the Millerites trying to fortell the end of the world, they just kept pushing the date back hoping they'd finally be right.
Mmorpg members may well be the worst place to try and get an accurate, unbiased account of a games appeal. Most of these people dont even play a game, well other than making the rounds through the forums to spew about everyone elses.
ya because once they slice the 122 in 1/2, they wont have to slice the remaining servers in 1/2 down the road...
What I dont understand is where the hell was all the outrage in all the beta and CB. If the game was this bad I wouldnt care about any NDA, I would tell them to stick it and tell eveyone what the hell was actually going on.
Honestly? They (we?) were all dazzled by being frontloaded with story and the fact that it was SW. But mostly, mostly folks honestly thought it would get better. People just gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt. If you looked closely there were those who saw the issues from the beginning but by then the hype train was in full gear.
I didn't closed beta, but on the stregnth of that front loading, I sold the game to 2 close friends. Now even though TSW has my heart I wont make them buy it till I've played atleast a month, (about 200 hours, yeah I know that's alot for a month, it'sa long story..) I mean they look at me different now when I say something is good ffs...
"I wont make them buy it" ----guess we know why you call yourself bc"bully"
You can't let facts get in the way of a good indignant rant, catharcism isn't dependant upon logic.
looking at this logically, EA has a horrid rep for maintaining MMOs after release, not to mention a logical projection would tend to point to a continued reduction of subs over time. We wont even get in to how a logical thinker considers all the games with subs and sub numbers bioware/EA has and is playing with free weekend and the like...
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Doesn't it still have over a million subs?
You can't let facts get in the way of a good indignant rant, catharcism isn't dependant upon logic.
If you include the free months they gave to people who got to legacy 6 or something, then yes. Given that the free month is over now, I wouldn't claim they have over a million subs. EA has said that since TOR isn't in the top 5 of their revenue makers, it's no longer a priority for development. Take a look at server loads now, compare to what they were like when they had 1.7M playing, draw your own conclusions.
Yeah, everyone is so dramatic. You will know when a game is really dead because nobody will post about it anymore. As long as the dramatic posts keep turning up, you know the game is still alive. It's truly sad people can't take the 2 minutes it took me to figure out the actual reasons the servers are empty. Simple math (total number of players divided by number of servers) will tell you they made too many servers. As far as I know swtor has around 3 times as many players as say...rift, but rift probably has half or a third of the servers.
I don't think the game is dead but the interest and the hype in it has died away. If you were in the beta you could see how things were going to go. Once the story ended a lot of peoples subs ended as well. WoW style of end game is not for everyone.
Indeed. There were a few of us here pre launch, some of us long term beta testers, who said exactly what the game was but we were troleld and flamed on usually a personal level (even when we actually just talked about the game), reported, and usually banned etc for being 'negative' (truth).
Ahh well, maybe people will listen next time. Probably not, but maybe.
yea I remember, before the game released, there was that long period of pre-orders etc...The game was fierecly guarded by people just looking to stomp out any critisim the game had thrown in its direction.
Also remember when everyone was so overjoyed that Bioware announced there would be space combat, thank god they added that in. Id say that the game would have been better if they would have just dropped the space combat and focused those reousrces used in that process on something that the game needed more but the way it is now, it sure as hell couldnt have taken to much resources. Im sure there are flash browser based space combat sims that can rival it.
Jokes aside, Im still enjoying SWTOR.
For all that cryptic did wrong with CO and STO, the one thing they did right was to move away their developement process from multi server to one single big server.
For example STO, for all the failing it did, never was at the point where population issues hampered the enjoyment of the game for those that actually enjoyed it. Even if there where only 500 people playing that game at the same time, it would be 500 people playing TOGETHER in the same world(however often instanced it would be).
Population issues are the number one problem ruining my enjoyment of MMOs, nothing like searching 2 hours for a group. have it fail horrendously due to tardism and logging out frustrated because you just can't stand going through it all again hoping it will be better the next time.
SWTOR is like the Greek economy- it's destined to fail quite spectacularly
Haha, yeah, right, we're all braindead zombies who refuse to think. Thank you, Mr. Meme Parrot.
I rather have my beliefs and carry hope than no belief and no hope. Makes life a little easier to bare.
-Just saying
I hope Raven will make a Jedi Knight 4.
We need to get back to multiplayer battles like this:
had the most satisfying lightsaber combat in Jedi Knight Outcast and Academy. They were these Action RPG first/third person games that were so crazy awesome to play online.
Well..I haven't had as much time to game over the last couple of months due to selling and buying a house, but I logged in last night around 9:00PM on the Jekk Jekk Tarr server, a west coast server, and there were only about 40 on average on the fleet, about 9-23 on Hoth, and between 3-9 in the guild. Just two months ago it was averaging about 120 on the fleet and about 12-25 in the guild. Yea, I noticed a big decline. They do need to do a server merge. I still dont have a character at max, my Sentinel is just about to turn level 42. Its hard to game with crazy work hours, gym, tennis, and other games on my PC like Skyrim. My 6 month membership will run out in June. Not sure if I will renew which is crazy considering I was planning to play for a couple of years. I admit it does feel very single player like, not that it bothers me TOO much, but I am already keeping my eye on GW2 and tend to focus on Skyrim.
I think it is a good game, but I just so want them to make the world feel more alive like GW2 did in the main cities. I agree now with others that the fleet was a bad idea...and even with one of the posters who regularly posted here that I found super annoying and whiney about day night cycles, etc. I think the game can still improve. I do think there are a lot of idiots here who believe if it doesn't have WOW numbers, it failed even though it has more subs then most MMOs. There are just SO many MMOs now and on the horizon. Its going to be tough (not impossible) for any game to hold millions of subscribers past the 6 month mark.
There Is Always Hope!
Yeah all four of them...
The game is dead and this is a huge step in the right direction for the MMORPG industry. Developers now will take notice and innovate and SWTOR's head on a pike will strike fear into future WoW cloners.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now!
I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
It was on the beta forums...and it WAS there.
My first beta test was 15 months before release and the "OMG give it time" and "Its only beta" or "give them a chance" posts were as numberous and the fanboys replying now acting like cops standing in front of a burning building telling everyone that theres nothing to see here...The offical forums are flooded with people talking about how their servers have such low populations with people on those servers saying yeah yet the fanboys are trying to drown them out with multiple replys doing nothing but trying to insult people or discredit them.
Just like during beta.
Stop complaining, excuse excuse...you have no right BS...
One of the worst ideas the genre came up with was "open beta"...they used to be completely 100% closed and the only way in was if you either knew someone working for the company or had actual software beta testing expeirence, the application process was more detailed than a job appliaction. No freaking trolls, no disruptive BS from idiots that have no idea how the process works...and no morons just trying to play the game before buying it being a total ass in game on the forums.
Most testers have NO IDEA that they can drive some of the development process by working together as a community and voice their concerns...damn tragic.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Let's be real. You think there wouldn't be any negative repercussions if they closed 50% of their servers in one fell swoop?
Really?
I mean, really?
Indeed, there will be reprecussions in any move they make or any move they dont make, that's not my point.
Problem with mmo's today is that in Beta, there is no testing it seem. People just wanna find the fast way to hit max level and the Devs think they made it right. Then it hit the rest and it fail...
I used to love it, this week I got real bored. Not sure I will keep playing for long. Maybe I try TSW. That one for ones don't look like a WoW clone.
R.I.P SWTOR
It was fun...
Claiming the game has 1.3mil subs
maybe spending some time in the "useless forums" and offerign some constructive critcism might have been the best option to help the devs over at Bioware get a clue.
ya because once they slice the 122 in 1/2, they wont have to slice the remaining servers in 1/2 down the road...
"I wont make them buy it" ----guess we know why you call yourself bc"bully"
looking at this logically, EA has a horrid rep for maintaining MMOs after release, not to mention a logical projection would tend to point to a continued reduction of subs over time. We wont even get in to how a logical thinker considers all the games with subs and sub numbers bioware/EA has and is playing with free weekend and the like...
logic is fun,