i don't really think there is a huge reviewers getting paid by game companies conspiracy.
SWTOR was probably one of the best leveling experiences in an mmo in a long time. It takes the average player around 30-45 days to level though. Reivewers probably played around 10-20 game hours if that. So the game seemed fantastic. Unfortunately swtor stops being fantastic at 50. So the reviewers only saw one portion of the MMO.
I doubt any of the reviewers would rate it higher than a 5 if they were 50 for a month.
A lot of games that get hyped up and get reviewed get padded scores though, if the early game is nice. your best bet is to wait a while after release and see what happens with the gaming community, those are the real reviewers.
I never said I like Tera. I actually said the game isn't for me to you in this very thread. What I did say is the game is still a step forward and as a whole it does still offer something different than other games on the market prior to it. I also said the combat was new for a MMO and with the exception of vindictus (which admittedly I haven't played) it's new. If you are going to tell me to rethink my opinion than get it right please.
I'm not out to defend Tera or TOR, I've just been saying they aren't the colossal pieces of crap some people are making them out to be. They are good games for what they are. Now I will say again, as someone who has tried both of them, they aren't for me but they do offer a better quality of those type of games than has been on the market prior to them.
This is just my opinion. If you disagree that is fine, I'm willing to discuss it but not if you keep trying to insult me or keep trying to make out like you did in your next post (that I'm not going to reply to) that I am advertising Tera for whatever reason you may think that is. Cheers.
A defense is a defense, doesnt matter the motivation behind it. I am attacking the defense being used and I dont recall saying anything about you personally.
There is a difference between attacking the message and attacking the messanger. I attacked you stating it was new and why you think its new with a direct refute...I never said you were wrong because you are a big poopy head like a lot of people here do...I said poopy heh hehehe heh.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Not everyone, mind you, just a whole lot got suckered. Lots of people saying, "It will be the last MMO I will ever need!"
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
Edit to add: When we players start buying subs here or otherwise support this site (and the others) with some actual cash, then they can offer their product free of strings to the industry.
As I get older my tolerance for BS and obvious manipulating gets less and less.
It's also possible that your ability to detect it is in fact growing more precise. But your non-solution (I just won't buy any of it) probably will not work for most people in the long run. Imagine trying to find a single American carmaker that did not advertise, manipulate the public via marketing in some way.
Hell, the De Beers family hit such a home run with a single early marketing slogan that they still effectively control the entire supply of wedding rings, and several African nations. Or did you buy your wife a colored stone post-1930?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
First a quick history lesson. A long long time ago there was no game reviewers there were just people that made games, and people that brought them. Most games made back then were trash but they sold because they had some IP we liked like Ghost Busters or Ninja Turtles. Eventually people got angry, like the Angry Video Game Nerd and started actually reviewing games. Developers still made trash games but almost nobody brought them because there was a whole media division of Quality Control professional game reviewers that could tell us if a game was good or not before we brought it.
Now I'm not picking on any particular site or blogger, as I know a lot of you guys try your best. But the community is outraged once again at the lack of quality MMOs being released. And players want to blame the developers to stop making bad games, but that's never going to happen because we keep buying them! So why do we keep buying bad games? Because the gaming media bloggers and reviewers tell us these games are GOOD and we should buy them! I'm outraged at the lack of Quality Control that time after time has mislead people into buying completely overhyped, underdeveloped games. It hurts gamers pockets and it helps big developers make money off a bad product.
My case in point is how SW:TOR not only got great reviews but even got called game of the year by many publications despite only being out a few weeks! Fast forward to Tera, a game that majority of players would consider a better then SW:TOR but has a drastically lower score. Now a lot of publications are backpedaling on SW:TOR's outrageous scores, saying stuff like it was fun at the time, and that they didn't know the game wasn't good. Well guess what? It's your JOB to know if a game is good or bad. I don't get paid to play games for a living, and even I could tell that SW:TOR was drastically overhyped. Just like every other AAA MMO that came out after WoW was ridiculously overhyped.
I'll tell you exactly why Tera got a worse score then SW:TOR. If you look at both reviews of the game you'll see the same issue and that's the fact that the reviewers themselves only played one portion of the game! If you take SW:TOR's leveling and compare it to Tera's leveling portion of the MMO, then the scores make sense, because that's all that was actually taken into account. But if the reviewers actually did their jobs and played both the leveling portion and the endgame portion of the MMOs they would have given an more accurate review.
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Should SW:TOR's score be drastically lower? Would Tera's have been drastically higher? Is the next big MMO going to be more overhyped garbage? We'll never know because there's No longer any Quality Control. The reason why I'm angry and you should be too is because we're back to the bad old days of gaming where developers can make a trash game, slap an IP on it and make millions of dollars because players keep being suckered into buying it. People think that the problem is the industry itself, but my argument is that it's the lack of a reliable Quality Control medium that used to help players make smarter choices, and protect us from big developers that like to rehash a poor product, slap an popular IP on it, and charge full price for it. But what we have now is bad reviewers, overhyping bad games, made by big bad million dollar businesses, which is bad for our pockets, and bad for the industry.
Well some like some dont its all about taste.
But it seems to me the ship is sinking by bioware and swtor so who cares if it had high score its failing gamers have spoken they dont buy more copys hehe.
I think as it looks now swtor will lose alot of money so its not true slap a sticker froma hugely popular IP on it and it sells well it don't subs are dropping like flies.
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IGN, Gamespot, etc are not review sites, they are advertising outlets.
They earn money by advertising games.
They do NOT review them. Their job is to provide media outlets for publishers to advertise their upcoming games and tech.
The scoring systems they use is simply a measure of how much a company paid them to advertise their game. They should not even really call them reviews, since they are not reviews at all.
True reviews these days come from forums, and actual players.
A true review is pretty much a myth because games are entertainment and fun can't be quantified. Some will like it and others will not. A score rating how good a game is, is just another marketing tool that the masses read far too much into.
Reviews are opinions.
Overviews would list the features of a game, without opinions, and allow the reader to decide if they are intersted or not.
TERA is a 9 for some, 7 for others, 3 for many and the same applies to every game that has ever been developed. People enoughed FFXIV. A game so bad the developer apologized repeatedly to it's fans for the failure that it was.
People really need to let other opinions go. Why is everyone so upset about people having differing opinions? How boring would the world be if everyone agreed?
A true review is pretty much a myth because games are entertainment and fun can't be quantified. Some will like it and others will not. A score rating how good a game is, is just another marketing tool that the masses read far too much into.
Reviews are opinions.
Overviews would list the features of a game, without opinions, and allow the reader to decide if they are intersted or not.
TERA is a 9 for some, 7 for others, 3 for many and the same applies to every game that has ever been developed. People enoughed FFXIV. A game so bad the developer apologized repeatedly to it's fans for the failure that it was.
People really need to let other opinions go. Why is everyone so upset about people having differing opinions? How boring would the world be if everyone agreed?
This. There have been threads locked today on the TOR forums because some posters are so vindictive over that game that they are necroing old arguments and reviews. It's been six months.And no, I'm not going to be outraged over something as irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as gaming. Just let it go already ....
That's why there's no hope for me to find an MMORPG that I like.
I knew SWTOR was bad since 2009 when I read Bioware wanted to implement the 4th pillar of MMORPGs (The Story) I knew then it was going to fail (for me) because I'm not interested in MMORPG to play a story/cut scenes. My expectations where PERFECTLY ACCURATE after trying SWTOR using my friend's account.
Same applies to all the MMORPGs released since 2010. My expectations are "just another mutation that THEY call MMORPGs" they're not MMORPGs and if these games are what MMROPGs are about I guess I hate MMORPGs and looking for that genre that gave us UO, EQ and EVE... (not sandbox, I don't care about sandbox/theme park I just want a decent game which is probably a mixture of sandbox and themepark).
GW 2 sucks (I tried the beta, the very first moment they wanted me to collect eggs I quit and never returned).
Even Curt's Copernicus Project (which is probably going to be saved after the disaster that has happened to 38S) was going to go the same direction and I base this on Curt's personal opinion and comments on some forums and video panels.
The next big MMORPG, an MMORPG that's going to be DIFFERENT and FRESH is not going to be published by a big publisher but a team of 12 nerds who are passionte about the genre will create it and hit the jackpot... then every schmock in a suit is going to want to copy that formula.
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i don't really think there is a huge reviewers getting paid by game companies conspiracy.
SWTOR was probably one of the best leveling experiences in an mmo in a long time. It takes the average player around 30-45 days to level though. Reivewers probably played around 10-20 game hours if that. So the game seemed fantastic. Unfortunately swtor stops being fantastic at 50. So the reviewers only saw one portion of the MMO.
I doubt any of the reviewers would rate it higher than a 5 if they were 50 for a month.
A lot of games that get hyped up and get reviewed get padded scores though, if the early game is nice. your best bet is to wait a while after release and see what happens with the gaming community, those are the real reviewers.
A defense is a defense, doesnt matter the motivation behind it. I am attacking the defense being used and I dont recall saying anything about you personally.
There is a difference between attacking the message and attacking the messanger. I attacked you stating it was new and why you think its new with a direct refute...I never said you were wrong because you are a big poopy head like a lot of people here do...I said poopy heh hehehe heh.
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Not everyone, mind you, just a whole lot got suckered. Lots of people saying, "It will be the last MMO I will ever need!"
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
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Edit to add: When we players start buying subs here or otherwise support this site (and the others) with some actual cash, then they can offer their product free of strings to the industry.
Once upon a time....
It's also possible that your ability to detect it is in fact growing more precise. But your non-solution (I just won't buy any of it) probably will not work for most people in the long run. Imagine trying to find a single American carmaker that did not advertise, manipulate the public via marketing in some way.
Hell, the De Beers family hit such a home run with a single early marketing slogan that they still effectively control the entire supply of wedding rings, and several African nations. Or did you buy your wife a colored stone post-1930?
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Well some like some dont its all about taste.
But it seems to me the ship is sinking by bioware and swtor so who cares if it had high score its failing gamers have spoken they dont buy more copys hehe.
I think as it looks now swtor will lose alot of money so its not true slap a sticker froma hugely popular IP on it and it sells well it don't subs are dropping like flies.
CPU:Intel Core i7-3770K 4GHz
GPU:ASUS HD 7970 DirectCU II TOP
MB:ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE
Case:Cooler Master HAF X
RAM:Corsair 16GB 1600
PSU:Corsair gold 850
HD:SSD OCZ 256 GB vertex4
A true review is pretty much a myth because games are entertainment and fun can't be quantified. Some will like it and others will not. A score rating how good a game is, is just another marketing tool that the masses read far too much into.
Reviews are opinions.
Overviews would list the features of a game, without opinions, and allow the reader to decide if they are intersted or not.
TERA is a 9 for some, 7 for others, 3 for many and the same applies to every game that has ever been developed. People enoughed FFXIV. A game so bad the developer apologized repeatedly to it's fans for the failure that it was.
People really need to let other opinions go. Why is everyone so upset about people having differing opinions? How boring would the world be if everyone agreed?
This. There have been threads locked today on the TOR forums because some posters are so vindictive over that game that they are necroing old arguments and reviews. It's been six months.And no, I'm not going to be outraged over something as irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as gaming. Just let it go already ....
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
My problem is i know exactly what I want.
That's why there's no hope for me to find an MMORPG that I like.
I knew SWTOR was bad since 2009 when I read Bioware wanted to implement the 4th pillar of MMORPGs (The Story) I knew then it was going to fail (for me) because I'm not interested in MMORPG to play a story/cut scenes. My expectations where PERFECTLY ACCURATE after trying SWTOR using my friend's account.
Same applies to all the MMORPGs released since 2010. My expectations are "just another mutation that THEY call MMORPGs" they're not MMORPGs and if these games are what MMROPGs are about I guess I hate MMORPGs and looking for that genre that gave us UO, EQ and EVE... (not sandbox, I don't care about sandbox/theme park I just want a decent game which is probably a mixture of sandbox and themepark).
GW 2 sucks (I tried the beta, the very first moment they wanted me to collect eggs I quit and never returned).
Even Curt's Copernicus Project (which is probably going to be saved after the disaster that has happened to 38S) was going to go the same direction and I base this on Curt's personal opinion and comments on some forums and video panels.
The next big MMORPG, an MMORPG that's going to be DIFFERENT and FRESH is not going to be published by a big publisher but a team of 12 nerds who are passionte about the genre will create it and hit the jackpot... then every schmock in a suit is going to want to copy that formula.