After playing Torclight 1 and 2 Beta, POE, Drakensang and GW2 BWE,
in my opinion D3 isn't worth the $60.00. D3
The difference in the content alone.
One thing I have to admire Blizz, they really can turn players to zombies in all their games.
They managed to psycho players to believe its awesome and fun to play the same content over and over again lol.
In all of those games you listed you will be playing the same content over and over again.
I don't see how its any different for someone playing a Blizzard game.
We are talking about the price tag.
While I have to say I am not a big fan of Blizzard as a company and certainly hate that they try to raise the video game standard up to 60$ for new games, I have to disagree about D3. I wasn't even really a big D2 fan but I am honestly really enjoying D3. Do I think the way they do the difficulty is kind of lame? Yes. But if you're having fun and you have played through the game a couple of times and you're still having fun, I think thats worth the time and money. I really enjoy a good challenge and D3 gives you that in the later difficulties and it doesn't take long to get there, even as a casual gamer. And I am certainly not a 'blizzard zombie' so keep your rage comments to yourself. If you don't like a game fine but bringing others down who do is childish, especially when it seems you are holding a grudge considering this post isn't even supposed to be about D3.
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After playing Torclight 1 and 2 Beta, POE, Drakensang and GW2 BWE,
in my opinion D3 isn't worth the $60.00. D3
The difference in the content alone.
One thing I have to admire Blizz, they really can turn players to zombies in all their games.
They managed to psycho players to believe its awesome and fun to play the same content over and over again lol.
In all of those games you listed you will be playing the same content over and over again.
I don't see how its any different for someone playing a Blizzard game.
We are talking about the price tag.
You get what you pay for. TL1, PoE & Drakensang are/were indy games and hardly stand up to the original Diablo 2.
Guild Wars 2 will cost more overtime than Diablo 3 and from what I've seen of TL2 it looks to be an inferior product resting on old mechanics that were made popular with a 12 year old game.
So i don't see an issue with spending 60 bucks on a game as amazing as Diablo 3. The game is untouchable when it comes to fluidity of its gameplay. Its much higher quality than many of those you listed and to me Quality costs more.
... from what I've seen of TL2 it looks to be an inferior product resting on old mechanics that were made popular with a 12 year old game.
That makes it pretty obvious that you've never seen, and even less played TL2.
I've been over 3 month in the Diablo III beta, which led me to not to buy the game. Blizzard totally ruined the franchise by dumbing everything down compared to Diablo II.
TL2 is just as good, if not better.
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... from what I've seen of TL2 it looks to be an inferior product resting on old mechanics that were made popular with a 12 year old game.
That makes it pretty obvious that you've never seen, and even less played TL2.
I've been over 3 month in the Diablo III beta, which led me to not to buy the game. Blizzard totally ruined the franchise by dumbing everything down compared to Diablo II.
TL2 is just as good, if not better.
How did they dumb it down? The skill/rune system? The game now offers much more flexibility in which you can play a particular class. Thousands of skill combinations are now available to the player without being forced to relevel. Doesn't sound like a dumbing down to me but an evolution that this genre sorely needed.
Honestly the only good thing they added that I wished D3 had was having a NPC sell things for me when i was clearing a dungeon. But even that wouldnt add much to D3 since we can portal back to the town anytime we want with no cooldown or need to farm scrolls like the old days.
TL2 should fix their art style, then I'll pay attention to them. I didn't play AoEO for the same reason. I can't get anywhere in a game that looks like it's trying to be a joke on purpose.
I know some uninspired FPS games that last a day of play at slow speed that go for $60. With no replayability whatsoever.
Diablo is a game you can play for ages and ages and ages simply because of the gameplay style, randomization, and the various things you could do in it (Hardcore, different builds, gear collection). DII was most certainly worth $60 and it was a short ass game. DI, perhaps less so, because there was less to do there than level 3 characters and get some pieces of gear. DIII offers far more build variation.
Obviously, it depends on what you are looking for. People played DII differently, as well, for some of us DIII fixed all the issues and made the game better, for others the "issues" was what made DII fun.
But if it's not worth $60 for you you probably didn't research the game.
Or you played it for 3+ months in beta, trying all classes thoroughly, which should be enough research I think... and simply didn't like it?
That doesn't really make much sense.
The primary evaluation factor for any video game is gamplay. The beta allows you to test that part.
People complain about always online. That was known long time ago.
About no stats. Was known long time ago.
About the skill system. Was known long time ago.
About how Inferno was designed (overtuned, unfair). More recent info, I could say.
Game obviously not aimed at min-maxers or FFA fans. That was very clearly visible with the shared loot, no Hostile, lack of random stuff to put points in. Game seemed aimed at casual DII fans. Which is what I am.
If you bought the game blind without playing the beta I could see you could simply dislike the gameplay. Everything else, though, was known prior.
Or you played it for 3+ months in beta, trying all classes thoroughly, which should be enough research I think... and simply didn't like it?
That doesn't really make much sense.
It does make sense, maybe you misunderstood me?
I got into D3 beta 3 and half months before the release. I played each class extensively. Tried everything possible to try. And I did not like the game, it definitely wasn't worth $60 for me. Very boring grindy game with poor button mashing combat mechanics.
Note that I don't blame you for liking it - to each his own - I'm pretty sure we can both act maturely enough to agree to disagree like gentlemen having a different opinion on something as important as... a video game ;-)
Opposed to that, and to stick with the OP and topic, GW2 grabbed me in the first hour I played it and is definitely worth $60 for me. Can't wait for it to be released so I can finally play my "real" characters.
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I'm also of the opinion that comparing GW2 and D3 is like comparing apples to oranges. Just as comparing WoW to D3, despite both being Blizzard product, would be nonsense, since both are totally different games.
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Or you played it for 3+ months in beta, trying all classes thoroughly, which should be enough research I think... and simply didn't like it?
That doesn't really make much sense.
It does make sense, maybe you misunderstood me?
I got into D3 beta 3 and half months before the release. I played each class extensively. Tried everything possible to try. And I did not like the game, it definitely wasn't worth $60 for me. Very boring grindy game with poor button mashing combat mechanics.
Note that I don't blame you for liking it - to each his own - I'm pretty sure we can both act maturely enough to agree to disagree like gentlemen having a different opinion on something as important as... a video game ;-)
Opposed to that, and to stick with the OP and topic, GW2 grabbed me in the first hour I played it and is definitely worth $60 for me. Can't wait for it to be released so I can finally play my "real" characters.
Make sense to me. Sometimes you just feel that a game don't work out for you, and that can be a lot faster than that.
And sure, people might say that it gets better later but everyone have a limited time so you should pick the games that works best for you..
Personally D3 sounds rather good to me but I boycot it due to the RMTAH, I wont support that and fear it will spread, if they scrap that I will buy it ASAP. Selling stuff between regular players for real money in a regular single player game (with multiplayer options) annoys me.
200 hours and counting in D3 makes that well worth it for me. I think GW2 will have even more value to it.. I can honestly imagine myself playing GW2 for the next 5 years... not constantly but always going back to it. I've already got about 40-50 hours of gameplay out of it from both the beta weekends. That alone was worth the cost because most single player games don't even last that long.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I got into D3 beta 3 and half months before the release. I played each class extensively. Tried everything possible to try. And I did not like the game, it definitely wasn't worth $60 for me. Very boring grindy game with poor button mashing combat mechanics.
I just don't understand how you could possibly not see that in beta. I mean, does the gameplay magically gets more boring/grindy past beta or something? It most certainly does not.
To each his own, indeed, but if you played the beta for 3 months and still bought it anyway and only THEN found it boring, I don't really understand that. I've seen a lot of people say something like that, they bought the game, and said it was "boring grindy buttom mashing". That's kinda how these games are, DII was the same thing.
Opposed to that, and to stick with the OP and topic, GW2 grabbed me in the first hour I played it and is definitely worth $60 for me. Can't wait for it to be released so I can finally play my "real" characters.
But you didn't play it yet. How do you know you won't suddenly find GW2 just as boring as you did DIII once you get the full game?
I'm also of the opinion that comparing GW2 and D3 is like comparing apples to oranges. Just as comparing WoW to D3, despite both being Blizzard product, would be nonsense, since both are totally different games.
Indeed. I can play such games side-by-side just fine, too.
I just don't understand how you could possibly not see that in beta. I mean, does the gameplay magically gets more boring/grindy past beta or something? It most certainly does not.
No offense meant, but do you even read (and understand) what I write? I never bought D3. As I said 4 times already in this thread, I just didn't like it in beta and therefore it wasn't worth $60 for me. 5th time now. My $60 went to GW2.
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D3 was a waste of my money. But thats my personal opinion. many people are enjoying it. the thing about hype is you never let it carry you away into the land of rainbows and gumdrops.
Even still, you can't ever really know if a game like GW2 is worth it until you try it. some who have never even played it,are hyping it as the savoiur of the MMO genre. people have done this will almost every MMO
D3 was a waste of my money. But thats my personal opinion. many people are enjoying it. the thing about hype is you never let it carry you away into the land of rainbows and gumdrops.
Even still, you can't ever really know if a game like GW2 is worth it until you try it. some who have never even played it,are hyping it as the savoiur of the MMO genre. people have done this will almost every MMO
So wait until you get a chance to play it.
Thing is, the vast majority of those who have actually played GW2 are also praising it...
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I think both GW2 and D3 are worth $60, but then I've bought a lot of console games that cost $40-$60 and then beat them in a couple days. Talk about a bad value.
i got mine (pre-purchase) for 43€ and it's deffo worth it. I'd not waste a single dime on D3, i just don't see where the value of hack n slash - gear grind games is, specially 60$.. allow me to laugh.
So I wasted my money on d3 and I had never played the beta on either games so I didn't know what to expect . Is gw2 worth the $60 in your opinion?
Frank answer: it completely depends on you, on what you are looking for in a game - and not just theoretically but how it actually feels when playing.
Me, I wouldn't buy it for $1, not even for a cent. Actually, looking at my HDDs, I'd not even take it as a gift because I'd never install it because eventually I'd just be kicking it again to free up space. ;-)
Best advice I can give: see if ANet does any further pre-release betas. Try to get in (without ordering the game!)
If that doesn't work, well, there are to ways to look at gaming competitive or fun.
If you feel - or if you get told - that you need to be in the game from the first minute to be able to play the game competing with other gamers (which shouldn't be true as - based on my BWE experience - competitionbeased on your character (his level, skills, etc.) really just is on the EB), stay clear of the game!
If on the other hand you'd just like to have fun, wait a bit after release, I'm sure ANet will offer some sort of trial/demo option.
That will then allow you to make up your own mind ;-)
1. Yes, we already know enough from the beta events to be shure, that GW2 will be a good game.
2. I do not like D3 at all. But the fact, that millions were ready to pay 60 $ for it, shows, that this game is worth its price. That is the basic rule of a free market.
Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.
GW2 will be hard to evaluate without playing it, just like any other game. I thought SW:TOR looked good until I played it. Meh.
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
No offense meant, but do you even read (and understand) what I write? I never bought D3. As I said 4 times already in this thread, I just didn't like it in beta and therefore it wasn't worth $60 for me. 5th time now. My $60 went to GW2.
Oh... never mind, lol, I thought you played the beta and bought th game and didn't like it.
I typically interpret "waste of / not worth $60" as someone having actually spent the money. I don't really discuss game worth of games I didn't buy, personally. If l want it, I buy it; if I don't, I won't speak of it.
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In all of those games you listed you will be playing the same content over and over again.
I don't see how its any different for someone playing a Blizzard game.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
We are talking about the price tag.
Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language
While I have to say I am not a big fan of Blizzard as a company and certainly hate that they try to raise the video game standard up to 60$ for new games, I have to disagree about D3. I wasn't even really a big D2 fan but I am honestly really enjoying D3. Do I think the way they do the difficulty is kind of lame? Yes. But if you're having fun and you have played through the game a couple of times and you're still having fun, I think thats worth the time and money. I really enjoy a good challenge and D3 gives you that in the later difficulties and it doesn't take long to get there, even as a casual gamer. And I am certainly not a 'blizzard zombie' so keep your rage comments to yourself. If you don't like a game fine but bringing others down who do is childish, especially when it seems you are holding a grudge considering this post isn't even supposed to be about D3.
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You get what you pay for. TL1, PoE & Drakensang are/were indy games and hardly stand up to the original Diablo 2.
Guild Wars 2 will cost more overtime than Diablo 3 and from what I've seen of TL2 it looks to be an inferior product resting on old mechanics that were made popular with a 12 year old game.
So i don't see an issue with spending 60 bucks on a game as amazing as Diablo 3. The game is untouchable when it comes to fluidity of its gameplay. Its much higher quality than many of those you listed and to me Quality costs more.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
That makes it pretty obvious that you've never seen, and even less played TL2.
I've been over 3 month in the Diablo III beta, which led me to not to buy the game. Blizzard totally ruined the franchise by dumbing everything down compared to Diablo II.
TL2 is just as good, if not better.
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How did they dumb it down? The skill/rune system? The game now offers much more flexibility in which you can play a particular class. Thousands of skill combinations are now available to the player without being forced to relevel. Doesn't sound like a dumbing down to me but an evolution that this genre sorely needed.
Honestly the only good thing they added that I wished D3 had was having a NPC sell things for me when i was clearing a dungeon. But even that wouldnt add much to D3 since we can portal back to the town anytime we want with no cooldown or need to farm scrolls like the old days.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
TL2 should fix their art style, then I'll pay attention to them. I didn't play AoEO for the same reason. I can't get anywhere in a game that looks like it's trying to be a joke on purpose.
I know some uninspired FPS games that last a day of play at slow speed that go for $60. With no replayability whatsoever.
Diablo is a game you can play for ages and ages and ages simply because of the gameplay style, randomization, and the various things you could do in it (Hardcore, different builds, gear collection). DII was most certainly worth $60 and it was a short ass game. DI, perhaps less so, because there was less to do there than level 3 characters and get some pieces of gear. DIII offers far more build variation.
Obviously, it depends on what you are looking for. People played DII differently, as well, for some of us DIII fixed all the issues and made the game better, for others the "issues" was what made DII fun.
But if it's not worth $60 for you you probably didn't research the game.
Or you played it for 3+ months in beta, trying all classes thoroughly, which should be enough research I think... and simply didn't like it?
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Isn't Torchlight suppose to have player made mods? I think my son mentioned that to me.
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That doesn't really make much sense.
The primary evaluation factor for any video game is gamplay. The beta allows you to test that part.
People complain about always online. That was known long time ago.
About no stats. Was known long time ago.
About the skill system. Was known long time ago.
About how Inferno was designed (overtuned, unfair). More recent info, I could say.
Game obviously not aimed at min-maxers or FFA fans. That was very clearly visible with the shared loot, no Hostile, lack of random stuff to put points in. Game seemed aimed at casual DII fans. Which is what I am.
If you bought the game blind without playing the beta I could see you could simply dislike the gameplay. Everything else, though, was known prior.
It does make sense, maybe you misunderstood me?
I got into D3 beta 3 and half months before the release. I played each class extensively. Tried everything possible to try. And I did not like the game, it definitely wasn't worth $60 for me. Very boring grindy game with poor button mashing combat mechanics.
Note that I don't blame you for liking it - to each his own - I'm pretty sure we can both act maturely enough to agree to disagree like gentlemen having a different opinion on something as important as... a video game ;-)
Opposed to that, and to stick with the OP and topic, GW2 grabbed me in the first hour I played it and is definitely worth $60 for me. Can't wait for it to be released so I can finally play my "real" characters.
EDIT:
I'm also of the opinion that comparing GW2 and D3 is like comparing apples to oranges. Just as comparing WoW to D3, despite both being Blizzard product, would be nonsense, since both are totally different games.
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Make sense to me. Sometimes you just feel that a game don't work out for you, and that can be a lot faster than that.
And sure, people might say that it gets better later but everyone have a limited time so you should pick the games that works best for you..
Personally D3 sounds rather good to me but I boycot it due to the RMTAH, I wont support that and fear it will spread, if they scrap that I will buy it ASAP. Selling stuff between regular players for real money in a regular single player game (with multiplayer options) annoys me.
200 hours and counting in D3 makes that well worth it for me. I think GW2 will have even more value to it.. I can honestly imagine myself playing GW2 for the next 5 years... not constantly but always going back to it. I've already got about 40-50 hours of gameplay out of it from both the beta weekends. That alone was worth the cost because most single player games don't even last that long.
No offense meant, but do you even read (and understand) what I write? I never bought D3. As I said 4 times already in this thread, I just didn't like it in beta and therefore it wasn't worth $60 for me. 5th time now. My $60 went to GW2.
Respect, walk
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
D3 was a waste of my money. But thats my personal opinion. many people are enjoying it. the thing about hype is you never let it carry you away into the land of rainbows and gumdrops.
Even still, you can't ever really know if a game like GW2 is worth it until you try it. some who have never even played it,are hyping it as the savoiur of the MMO genre. people have done this will almost every MMO
So wait until you get a chance to play it.
One is very limited repeating hack and slash game.
Other is a full grown MMORPG the choice seems obvious witch one is more bang for your buck.
I choose GW2 anyday over a simple limited hack and slash that can be played whether solo(no offline) or with few other players.
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Thing is, the vast majority of those who have actually played GW2 are also praising it...
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I think both GW2 and D3 are worth $60, but then I've bought a lot of console games that cost $40-$60 and then beat them in a couple days. Talk about a bad value.
i got mine (pre-purchase) for 43€ and it's deffo worth it. I'd not waste a single dime on D3, i just don't see where the value of hack n slash - gear grind games is, specially 60$.. allow me to laugh.
Frank answer: it completely depends on you, on what you are looking for in a game - and not just theoretically but how it actually feels when playing.
Me, I wouldn't buy it for $1, not even for a cent. Actually, looking at my HDDs, I'd not even take it as a gift because I'd never install it because eventually I'd just be kicking it again to free up space. ;-)
Best advice I can give: see if ANet does any further pre-release betas. Try to get in (without ordering the game!)
If that doesn't work, well, there are to ways to look at gaming competitive or fun.
If you feel - or if you get told - that you need to be in the game from the first minute to be able to play the game competing with other gamers (which shouldn't be true as - based on my BWE experience - competitionbeased on your character (his level, skills, etc.) really just is on the EB), stay clear of the game!
If on the other hand you'd just like to have fun, wait a bit after release, I'm sure ANet will offer some sort of trial/demo option.
That will then allow you to make up your own mind ;-)
1. Yes, we already know enough from the beta events to be shure, that GW2 will be a good game.
2. I do not like D3 at all. But the fact, that millions were ready to pay 60 $ for it, shows, that this game is worth its price. That is the basic rule of a free market.
Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.
Yes!
Yes!
Well worth 60$ from my play experience so far, but GW2 is exactly what I'm looking for in a MMORPG -
Well, realistically looking for.
My dream of a massive scale PvE sandbox with complex/layered next Gen AI is still just a pipe dream.
GW2 will be hard to evaluate without playing it, just like any other game. I thought SW:TOR looked good until I played it. Meh.
Oh... never mind, lol, I thought you played the beta and bought th game and didn't like it.
I typically interpret "waste of / not worth $60" as someone having actually spent the money. I don't really discuss game worth of games I didn't buy, personally. If l want it, I buy it; if I don't, I won't speak of it.