Shocker. All the non-credibile reviews and dishonesty had always been searchable on metacritic.com; just look at any score greater than 85. Those sites that did give this game a B or B+ shine in the editorial misconduct category; either that or those reviewers are really in need of a reality-check.
It isn't dishonesty. It is reviewing before seeing the whole package. Demos for games can be awesome but looking at everything together may not be as good in hindsight.
Im sorry man but have you actually read any of the reviews for TOR? If you havent please read a few over at meta-critic and then come back here and keep the same defense that BW didnt pay for such high reviews on an obviously sub-par game.
The G4 review specifiically comes to mind, because i remember reading it the week of release and thinking "Yeah they defeintly payed big bucks for this review."
Heres a small snippit for you so you understand im not just touting conspiracy, and it also directly goes against what you claim which is that alot of the reviews were only based off demos and not a full package.
"The amount of content in Star Wars: The Old Republic is astounding. The fact that it is all incredibly damn good is borderline miraculous. We’ve known for some time that this was a tremendously ambitious project, but it’s not until digging into the game for a hundred or so hours that you start to appreciate just how damn much there is to be played here. A wide variety of players in the G4 offices have been thoroughly hooked. From MMO fans who don’t care about Star Wars to Star Wars fans who have never played an MMO to BioWare fans who don’t care about Star Wars or MMOs, reaction has been universally positive."
They gave the game a solid 5/5 and only said the UI and tutorial could use work and absolutely nothing else was wrong with the game. This coming from the biggest network for video games in exsistance....
I have no doubt that G4 was recieving some kind of benefits from the TOR people.... So I believe you, yes.
They put out a video with Morgan Webb and whats his face... the nerd that Chobot married... It was a 5 or 10 minute video about how great TOR was 2 or 3 months after release. I've never heard worse lip-service than I did in that video. Bunch of bullcrap, it was.
No problem! I tried my best to "streamline" it since they went back and forth, and in some cases wanted to say like half a dozen things at the same time, hence the dotdotdot effect. I was surprised by how open and honest they were able to talk about various aspects and problems that SWTOR is facing. Granted I am not saying that everything is 100% correct, but for the most part I think they nailed quite a few things.
If possible I do urge folks to view the cast between 2:22 and 41:11 instead of having to watch the entire video. If my post is too long, try to read up on the bold parts at least. It is a shame but unfortunately most of what was said can be said about most P2P MMO theme park games ranging from the ones that started in 2005 all the way up to several games that are going to be releasing within the next year or two.
I hope the mega server merge happens at the latest somewhere between the end of summer and the start of fall. Although with the whole PR balancing act I wonder if they will drag this till around close to their 1st anniversary (November or December). There are many underlying problems as to why 90% of the servers feel like ghost towns, so we will have to see if patch 1.3 or 1.4 or whatever else they are planning to come up with actually helps to bring people back. But with all these cutbacks, I seriously wonder if the higher ups are reluctant or arrogant to try anything else.
Shocker. All the non-credibile reviews and dishonesty had always been searchable on metacritic.com; just look at any score greater than 85. Those sites that did give this game a B or B+ shine in the editorial misconduct category; either that or those reviewers are really in need of a reality-check.
It isn't dishonesty. It is reviewing before seeing the whole package. Demos for games can be awesome but looking at everything together may not be as good in hindsight.
Im sorry man but have you actually read any of the reviews for TOR? If you havent please read a few over at meta-critic and then come back here and keep the same defense that BW didnt pay for such high reviews on an obviously sub-par game.
The G4 review specifiically comes to mind, because i remember reading it the week of release and thinking "Yeah they defeintly payed big bucks for this review."
Heres a small snippit for you so you understand im not just touting conspiracy, and it also directly goes against what you claim which is that alot of the reviews were only based off demos and not a full package.
"The amount of content in Star Wars: The Old Republic is astounding. The fact that it is all incredibly damn good is borderline miraculous. We’ve known for some time that this was a tremendously ambitious project, but it’s not until digging into the game for a hundred or so hours that you start to appreciate just how damn much there is to be played here. A wide variety of players in the G4 offices have been thoroughly hooked. From MMO fans who don’t care about Star Wars to Star Wars fans who have never played an MMO to BioWare fans who don’t care about Star Wars or MMOs, reaction has been universally positive."
They gave the game a solid 5/5 and only said the UI and tutorial could use work and absolutely nothing else was wrong with the game. This coming from the biggest network for video games in exsistance....
That one in particular does sound questionable...
I don't know.. it is hard to imagine that all of the above 85 rating reviews are as you say "paid reviews".
Not going to lie - hate EA even more. Why? Because they got a RIDICULOUS amount of money from the SWTOR sales alone. And some dickhead management executive dumped so much of that money into useless marketing or some other idea that failed. And who pays for the failures? The average people that do their job well but were just unfortunate enough to be hired and invested into EA.
Shocker. All the non-credibile reviews and dishonesty had always been searchable on metacritic.com; just look at any score greater than 85. Those sites that did give this game a B or B+ shine in the editorial misconduct category; either that or those reviewers are really in need of a reality-check.
It isn't dishonesty. It is reviewing before seeing the whole package. Demos for games can be awesome but looking at everything together may not be as good in hindsight.
Im sorry man but have you actually read any of the reviews for TOR? If you havent please read a few over at meta-critic and then come back here and keep the same defense that BW didnt pay for such high reviews on an obviously sub-par game.
The G4 review specifiically comes to mind, because i remember reading it the week of release and thinking "Yeah they defeintly payed big bucks for this review."
Heres a small snippit for you so you understand im not just touting conspiracy, and it also directly goes against what you claim which is that alot of the reviews were only based off demos and not a full package.
"The amount of content in Star Wars: The Old Republic is astounding. The fact that it is all incredibly damn good is borderline miraculous. We’ve known for some time that this was a tremendously ambitious project, but it’s not until digging into the game for a hundred or so hours that you start to appreciate just how damn much there is to be played here. A wide variety of players in the G4 offices have been thoroughly hooked. From MMO fans who don’t care about Star Wars to Star Wars fans who have never played an MMO to BioWare fans who don’t care about Star Wars or MMOs, reaction has been universally positive."
They gave the game a solid 5/5 and only said the UI and tutorial could use work and absolutely nothing else was wrong with the game. This coming from the biggest network for video games in exsistance....
That one in particular does sound questionable...
I don't know.. it is hard to imagine that all of the above 85 rating reviews are as you say "paid reviews".
No your totally right, im sure there are reviewers who genuinely liked the game, but what it does show is this;
One review is EXTREMELY questionable, then look at some of the others and youll start to find a few more that very questionable, some kind of questionable... then at the end of the meta-critic list what do you see?
This is where things start to seem REALLY questionable. Especially when you look at the sidebar and notice the average user score is a 5.6!
Seriously though, there is either alot of major gaming companies being paid off, or the "leaders" of mainstream gaming are just that off-base with the fans. Either way its scary and just shows how downhill the gaming industry has fallen.
And this all add's up to why TOR is a terrible game, why WAR was a terrible game, why ESO will be a terrible game. Their all games made by corporations to fit a mold, to bring in money, non of them hold anything truely unique or memorable, just poorly transitioned ideas across genres.
I said this before and ill say it again, Developers need to start taking risks and accepting a game thats a "7" in originality rather than spending millions to produce a "10" in marketing. You cant put a business model on a truely memorable games.
Pacing is a critical part of MMO game design, which most devs do not do well at incorporating. SWTOR did not pace the game well, and I believe focusing on story is an untenable position for the long-term, unless the game has a wide variety of other meaningful activities integrated into the game as well.
I'm still blown away at how quickly they allowed us to level. This was a major failure on their part in not understanding exactly what kind of game they actually had. They should have made the leveling process so much longer than it was. I think that would have lengthened the re-subs substantially.
Of course the problems of not enough content at 50 and gear being way too easy to acquire would still be there.
That means more VOs, a lot more. They couldn't make it long enough if they didn't. Game would of been close to a $billion LOL.
Wonder who told them MMO players only level aults?
Pacing is a critical part of MMO game design, which most devs do not do well at incorporating. SWTOR did not pace the game well, and I believe focusing on story is an untenable position for the long-term, unless the game has a wide variety of other meaningful activities integrated into the game as well.
I'm still blown away at how quickly they allowed us to level. This was a major failure on their part in not understanding exactly what kind of game they actually had. They should have made the leveling process so much longer than it was. I think that would have lengthened the re-subs substantially.
Of course the problems of not enough content at 50 and gear being way too easy to acquire would still be there.
That means more VOs, a lot more. They couldn't make it long enough if they didn't. Game would of been close to a $billion LOL.
Wonder who told them MMO players only level aults?
If you do space or any PvP you outlevel the planets way before you have done all the quests. The leveling is way too fast, and still manages to get boring around the time you hit Corellia. Some said they hit the boring mark at Alderaan but for me it was later. There are a lot of quests, but a lot of them don't get played.
Pacing is a critical part of MMO game design, which most devs do not do well at incorporating. SWTOR did not pace the game well, and I believe focusing on story is an untenable position for the long-term, unless the game has a wide variety of other meaningful activities integrated into the game as well.
I'm still blown away at how quickly they allowed us to level. This was a major failure on their part in not understanding exactly what kind of game they actually had. They should have made the leveling process so much longer than it was. I think that would have lengthened the re-subs substantially.
Of course the problems of not enough content at 50 and gear being way too easy to acquire would still be there.
That means more VOs, a lot more. They couldn't make it long enough if they didn't. Game would of been close to a $billion LOL.
Wonder who told them MMO players only level aults?
If you do space or any PvP you outlevel the planets way before you have done all the quests. The leveling is way too fast, and still manages to get boring around the time you hit Corellia. Some said they hit the boring mark at Alderaan but for me it was later. There are a lot of quests, but a lot of them don't get played.
I only done the buddy trial which stops at level 15. I did that in 2 days and wasn't playing as hard as I could have. Leveled another to 15 in 2 more days. I was thinking it's going way too fast. I didn't skip any missions I knew of and pretty much stayed a level or two over without space missions or any PVP. I kept thinking maybe it slows down the higher I go but I guess not according to you guys.
Even just to level 15 I started dreading the mob gauntlet, especially on Coruscant. There's just no way to even give an illusion of openness in that city world.
The other 3 days of my trial was mute, I was done.
The episode clocks in at an hour and eleven minutes. Here are the tidbits I found interesting from the episode. I try to match up the comments with the actual time they said as best I could. I would say if you can, watch th..
41:10 Larry: Mario MMO.
AmbrosiaAmor, if we could +rep you, I would, thank you very much for taking the time to write this up
The episode clocks in at an hour and eleven minutes. Here are the tidbits I found interesting from the episode. I try to match up the comments with the actual time they said as best I could. I would say if you can, watch th..
41:10 Larry: Mario MMO.
AmbrosiaAmor, if we could +rep you, I would, thank you very much for taking the time to write this up
Agreed! That was a hell of a lot of work. I don't want to know how long it too.k
No your totally right, im sure there are reviewers who genuinely liked the game, but what it does show is this;
One review is EXTREMELY questionable, then look at some of the others and youll start to find a few more that very questionable, some kind of questionable... then at the end of the meta-critic list what do you see?
This is where things start to seem REALLY questionable. Especially when you look at the sidebar and notice the average user score is a 5.6!
Seriously though, there is either alot of major gaming companies being paid off, or the "leaders" of mainstream gaming are just that off-base with the fans. Either way its scary and just shows how downhill the gaming industry has fallen.
And this all add's up to why TOR is a terrible game, why WAR was a terrible game, why ESO will be a terrible game. Their all games made by corporations to fit a mold, to bring in money, non of them hold anything truely unique or memorable, just poorly transitioned ideas across genres.
I said this before and ill say it again, Developers need to start taking risks and accepting a game thats a "7" in originality rather than spending millions to produce a "10" in marketing. You cant put a business model on a truely memorable games.
The average metacritic user score for MW2, MW3, ME3 and D3 is around the 4. On other game sites the user score for those games is often 3-4 points higher than on metacritic.
Are you saying all those games are bad? Then if MW2 was so bad, why did MW3 still have many many millions of people purchasing it? Apparently those games weren't bad to all those gamers.
It's more questionable how metacritic has such low user scores and people putting so much faith in it, while it should be obvious that metacritic has become a troll/hater fest, especially if user scores on other sites nowhere near reflect the user scores on metacritic
But hey, according to you MW2, MW3, D3 were among the most horrible games ever - metacritic user scores after all are always right, right? - and ME2 was so many times more the awesome game than ME3 was. Those detestable official reviewers should've given all those games a 6-7 at most!
Meh. I think SWTOR was a solid 8.5, surely if you compare it with other AAA MMO's in the field and what they got.
@AmbrosiaArmor: nice work, saves me from having to wade through 1h of talk which I didn't intend to do anyway. I assume the stuff between brackets was all personal thoughts and not what was being said, right?
No your totally right, im sure there are reviewers who genuinely liked the game, but what it does show is this;
One review is EXTREMELY questionable, then look at some of the others and youll start to find a few more that very questionable, some kind of questionable... then at the end of the meta-critic list what do you see?
This is where things start to seem REALLY questionable. Especially when you look at the sidebar and notice the average user score is a 5.6!
Seriously though, there is either alot of major gaming companies being paid off, or the "leaders" of mainstream gaming are just that off-base with the fans. Either way its scary and just shows how downhill the gaming industry has fallen.
And this all add's up to why TOR is a terrible game, why WAR was a terrible game, why ESO will be a terrible game. Their all games made by corporations to fit a mold, to bring in money, non of them hold anything truely unique or memorable, just poorly transitioned ideas across genres.
I said this before and ill say it again, Developers need to start taking risks and accepting a game thats a "7" in originality rather than spending millions to produce a "10" in marketing. You cant put a business model on a truely memorable games.
The average metacritic user score for MW2, MW3, ME3 and D3 is around the 4. On other game sites the user score for those games is often 3-4 points higher than on metacritic.
Are you saying all those games are bad? Then if MW2 was so bad, why did MW3 still have many many millions of people purchasing it? Apparently those games weren't bad to all those gamers.
It's more questionable how metacritic has such low user scores and people putting so much faith in it, while it should be obvious that metacritic has become a troll/hater fest, especially if user scores on other sites nowhere near reflect the user scores on metacritic
But hey, according to you MW2, MW3, D3 were among the most horrible games ever - metacritic user scores after all are always right, right? - and ME2 was so many times more the awesome game than ME3 was. Those detestable official reviewers should've given all those games a 6-7 at most!
Meh. I think SWTOR was a solid 8.5, surely if you compare it with other AAA MMO's in the field and what they got.
@AmbrosiaArmor: nice work, saves me from having to wade through 1h of talk which I didn't intend to do anyway. I assume the stuff between brackets was all personal thoughts and not what was being said, right?
I will admit I didnt realize how terrible the users scores were on metacritic, but can you honestly read the G4 review of TOR and think its objective or accurate? I know you just said you rated TOR an 8.5 which you think is a fair score, so do you think than that a 5/5 is fair from litterally the BIGGEST company representing video games in themainstream right now?
I will admit I didnt realize how terrible the users scores were on metacritic, but can you honestly read the G4 review of TOR and think its objective or accurate? I know you just said you rated TOR an 8.5 which you think is a fair score, so do you think than that a 5/5 is fair from litterally the BIGGEST company representing video games in themainstream right now?
I trust no single user review or professional review, I usually look at the bigger picture, meaning that I take in the info that's given in a number of professional reviews as well as user reviews. The bigger picture also means that I grow more and more sceptic towards the skewed view of metacritic user scores, especially since they are so off compared to user score averages on other sites.
I'd have given SWTOR a 4/5, but I think that of more games that got a 5/5 or a 10. If they wanted to give the game a 5/5, well, their choice. I don't need everyone to give games I like or dislike the same score I gave them.
What many people forget is that when it comes to MMORPG's, no professional review as well as no user review that's given within 2 weeks after launch either, will have a good view on endgame gameplay. What they review is often no more than the first 50-100 hours, the leveling experience, and that's often the feel of the combat and questing that'll make a large part of it.
In MMO's in contrast to singleplayer games the gameplay after the first 200 hours often significantly changes compared to the gameplay in the first 100-200 hours.
"Much of the staff — 150 employees by Larry Everett’s estimation — were laid off from the BioWare Austin studios including Senior Community Manager Stephen Reid.
The Republic panel really didn’t know what to make of the situation. Layoffs have become the norm for MMOs shortly after launch, but this one came as a surprise because, according to BioWare leadership, they planned on keeping the same team throughout development."
Oh please! The clowns at EA/Biofail are mimicking the press releases of Greek, Spanish & Italian banks at this point and it is pure bullshit that any non-brainwashed individual can see. Take a peek at the financials this company reported and figure in their existing debt load.
SWTOR is going down and EA/Biofail is going down as well based on the number of investors shorting their stock at this point. The current price is $14.15 and there are multiple puts out there for under $11.00.
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
I will not be suprised to see ATVI buying these clowns out by Q2 of 2013.
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike
Its a company thats doing badly. If it cant keep up it should go down.
Its business, nothing personal, its teh circle of life.
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike
Hate has nothing to do with it. EA/Biofail bet huge on a business model a larger competitor in the sector already has a lock on.
ATVI will buy them out next year if they see an advantage to doing so. Take a look at their cash reserves; they can afford it easily.
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike
Hate has nothing to do with it. EA/Biofail bet huge on a business model a larger competitor in the sector already has a lock on.
ATVI will buy them out next year if they see an advantage to doing so. Take a look at their cash reserves; they can afford it easily.
If you consider a big, unscrupulous company buying out another big company and thus getting an even firmer hold and dominance on the market a good thing, then I don't know what to say to you. Bobby Kotick will surely be happy with you cheering him on in his endeavours to transform the gaming market into his vision
The average metacritic user score for MW2, MW3, ME3 and D3 is around the 4. On other game sites the user score for those games is often 3-4 points higher than on metacritic.
Are you saying all those games are bad? Then if MW2 was so bad, why did MW3 still have many many millions of people purchasing it? Apparently those games weren't bad to all those gamers.
It's more questionable how metacritic has such low user scores and people putting so much faith in it, while it should be obvious that metacritic has become a troll/hater fest, especially if user scores on other sites nowhere near reflect the user scores on metacritic
But hey, according to you MW2, MW3, D3 were among the most horrible games ever - metacritic user scores after all are always right, right? - and ME2 was so many times more the awesome game than ME3 was. Those detestable official reviewers should've given all those games a 6-7 at most!
Meh. I think SWTOR was a solid 8.5, surely if you compare it with other AAA MMO's in the field and what they got.
@AmbrosiaArmor: nice work, saves me from having to wade through 1h of talk which I didn't intend to do anyway. I assume the stuff between brackets was all personal thoughts and not what was being said, right?
All those games you mentioned are mediocre games that also received extra punishment for the ammount of hype that was pumped into them.
"On other game sites" as you say you will find more dedicated gamers and amongst them many more fanboys.
Metacritic isn't a gaming site. It doesn't follow, provide info or promote games in any way therefore fanboys don't use it.
Finally sales do not make a good game.
Solid 8.5 for SWTOR eh... i can see why you are so annoyed at Metacritic.
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike
Hate has nothing to do with it. EA/Biofail bet huge on a business model a larger competitor in the sector already has a lock on.
ATVI will buy them out next year if they see an advantage to doing so. Take a look at their cash reserves; they can afford it easily.
If you consider a big, unscrupulous company buying out another big company and thus getting an even firmer hold and dominance on the market a good thing, then I don't know what to say to you. Bobby Kotick will surely be happy with you cheering him on in his endeavours to transform the gaming market into his vision
It's a lot more than the blasphemy they have done to Star Wars. EA needs to go for the betterment of mankind. Just Google EA and you'll learn quickly why it was voted "worst company in America" and by almost twice the votes. That's not worst gaming company, that's worst company of all companies everywhere. It's capitalism gone arye. EA executives are mafia kingpins that make Al Capone look like Aunt Bee. It needs to fall and fall hard as an example. Mr. Spock knew that theneeds of themany, are greater than the needs of thefew. Or of the one.
Yes, the people that will suffer are the little minions but they will be better off. EA wont simply vanish. It will be up for sale and bought out so maybe that will help cushion the blow as some if not most workers will still have a job. Those that do not are working in a field that is in demand. It may or may not be programing games but there is no shortage of IT jobs and such.
All those games you mentioned are mediocre games that also received extra punishment for the ammount of hype that was pumped into them.
"On other game sites" as you say you will find more dedicated gamers and amongst them many more fanboys.
Metacritic isn't a gaming site. It doesn't follow, provide info or promote games in any way therefore fanboys don't use it.
Finally sales do not make a good game.
Solid 8.5 for SWTOR eh... i can see why you are so annoyed at Metacritic.
Nonsense, especially if you consider the difference in user rating between ME2 and ME3, it should be obvious to anyone being fair that trolls and haters have flooded the metacritic reviews. Saying that users on other game sites don't count but only those on metacritic is so biased that there's no use even discussing it.
As for SWTOR, I couldn't give one damn about it, but this also means that I'm more objective than fanbois as well as haters, that are only able to see it from their heavily biased and subjective point of view. If other AAA MMORPG's can range in the 8-9 rating range, then SWTOR should be there too. Comparative logic, simple as that.
But hey, I'm not on a crusade against SWTOR like haters/trolls are, nor on a crusade for SWTOR as fanbois are. Claims that metacritic is some ultimate sign of user score average (where as other sites strangely are not) however is just denial of reality. People want to be sceptic, start by being sceptic even of the things that you agree with. Trust nothing, investigate and use common sense and logic in everything.
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Originally posted by hh33
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike
Hate has nothing to do with it. EA/Biofail bet huge on a business model a larger competitor in the sector already has a lock on.
ATVI will buy them out next year if they see an advantage to doing so. Take a look at their cash reserves; they can afford it easily.
If you consider a big, unscrupulous company buying out another big company and thus getting an even firmer hold and dominance on the market a good thing, then I don't know what to say to you. Bobby Kotick will surely be happy with you cheering him on in his endeavours to transform the gaming market into his vision
It's a lot more than the blasphemy they have done to Star Wars. EA needs to go for the betterment of mankind. Just Google EA and you'll learn quickly why it was voted "worst company in America" and by almost twice the votes. That's not worst gaming company, that's worst company of all companies everywhere. It's capitalism gone arye. EA executives are mafia kingpins that make Al Capone look like Aunt Bee. It needs to fall and fall hard as an example. Mr. Spock knew that theneeds of themany, are greater than the needs of thefew. Or of the one.
Yes, the people that will suffer are the little minions but they will be better off. EA wont simply vanish. It will be up for sale and bought out so maybe that will help cushion the blow as some if not most workers will still have a job. Those that do not are working in a field that is in demand. It may or may not be programing games but there is no shortage of IT jobs and such.
Seriously, Google EA. They are not nice people.
Sorry, but there are far, far worse companies in the world than game companies. Ignoring the harm that a number of those other corporations have done like banks or weapon trading companies or others have done that have seriously ruined lives and whole populations... there's no comparing.
Besides that, I never said that EA was a nice company (although completely not on the same level of evilness as corporations that have destroyed lives, nations and economies), but neither is Activision Blizzard. Just google Bobby Kotick.
Sorry, but there are far, far worse companies in the world than game companies. Ignoring the harm that a number of those other corporations have done like banks or weapon trading companies or others have done that have seriously ruined lives and whole populations... there's no comparing.
That poll was proof that there are a lot of gamers who are horribly detached from reality. When EA causes people to lose their life savings in fraudulant ponzi schemes, then get back to me.
Sorry, but there are far, far worse companies in the world than game companies. Ignoring the harm that a number of those other corporations have done like banks or weapon trading companies or others have done that have seriously ruined lives and whole populations... there's no comparing.
That poll was proof that there are a lot of gamers who are horribly detached from reality. When EA causes people to lose their life savings in fraudulant ponzi schemes, then get back to me.
I wont say the award doesn't deserve some controversy. Bank of America was in 2nd place but not even close to EA. No EA hasn't kicked millions of people out of their homes and erased life savings. But, just how did they get that vote? Please don't try telling me 250,000 butthurt gamers all created accounts on Consumer Reports just to put a thumb in EA's eye.
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I have no doubt that G4 was recieving some kind of benefits from the TOR people.... So I believe you, yes.
They put out a video with Morgan Webb and whats his face... the nerd that Chobot married... It was a 5 or 10 minute video about how great TOR was 2 or 3 months after release. I've never heard worse lip-service than I did in that video. Bunch of bullcrap, it was.
That one in particular does sound questionable...
I don't know.. it is hard to imagine that all of the above 85 rating reviews are as you say "paid reviews".
Not going to lie - hate EA even more. Why? Because they got a RIDICULOUS amount of money from the SWTOR sales alone. And some dickhead management executive dumped so much of that money into useless marketing or some other idea that failed. And who pays for the failures? The average people that do their job well but were just unfortunate enough to be hired and invested into EA.
No your totally right, im sure there are reviewers who genuinely liked the game, but what it does show is this;
One review is EXTREMELY questionable, then look at some of the others and youll start to find a few more that very questionable, some kind of questionable... then at the end of the meta-critic list what do you see?
68 positive reviews, and not a single truely Negative review!
This is where things start to seem REALLY questionable. Especially when you look at the sidebar and notice the average user score is a 5.6!
Seriously though, there is either alot of major gaming companies being paid off, or the "leaders" of mainstream gaming are just that off-base with the fans. Either way its scary and just shows how downhill the gaming industry has fallen.
And this all add's up to why TOR is a terrible game, why WAR was a terrible game, why ESO will be a terrible game. Their all games made by corporations to fit a mold, to bring in money, non of them hold anything truely unique or memorable, just poorly transitioned ideas across genres.
I said this before and ill say it again, Developers need to start taking risks and accepting a game thats a "7" in originality rather than spending millions to produce a "10" in marketing. You cant put a business model on a truely memorable games.
That means more VOs, a lot more. They couldn't make it long enough if they didn't. Game would of been close to a $billion LOL.
Wonder who told them MMO players only level aults?
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
If you do space or any PvP you outlevel the planets way before you have done all the quests. The leveling is way too fast, and still manages to get boring around the time you hit Corellia. Some said they hit the boring mark at Alderaan but for me it was later. There are a lot of quests, but a lot of them don't get played.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
I only done the buddy trial which stops at level 15. I did that in 2 days and wasn't playing as hard as I could have. Leveled another to 15 in 2 more days. I was thinking it's going way too fast. I didn't skip any missions I knew of and pretty much stayed a level or two over without space missions or any PVP. I kept thinking maybe it slows down the higher I go but I guess not according to you guys.
Even just to level 15 I started dreading the mob gauntlet, especially on Coruscant. There's just no way to even give an illusion of openness in that city world.
The other 3 days of my trial was mute, I was done.
Off topic but I started this thread so it's OK.
AmbrosiaAmor, if we could +rep you, I would, thank you very much for taking the time to write this up
Agreed! That was a hell of a lot of work. I don't want to know how long it too.k
The average metacritic user score for MW2, MW3, ME3 and D3 is around the 4. On other game sites the user score for those games is often 3-4 points higher than on metacritic.
Are you saying all those games are bad? Then if MW2 was so bad, why did MW3 still have many many millions of people purchasing it? Apparently those games weren't bad to all those gamers.
It's more questionable how metacritic has such low user scores and people putting so much faith in it, while it should be obvious that metacritic has become a troll/hater fest, especially if user scores on other sites nowhere near reflect the user scores on metacritic
But hey, according to you MW2, MW3, D3 were among the most horrible games ever - metacritic user scores after all are always right, right? - and ME2 was so many times more the awesome game than ME3 was. Those detestable official reviewers should've given all those games a 6-7 at most!
Meh. I think SWTOR was a solid 8.5, surely if you compare it with other AAA MMO's in the field and what they got.
@AmbrosiaArmor: nice work, saves me from having to wade through 1h of talk which I didn't intend to do anyway. I assume the stuff between brackets was all personal thoughts and not what was being said, right?
I will admit I didnt realize how terrible the users scores were on metacritic, but can you honestly read the G4 review of TOR and think its objective or accurate? I know you just said you rated TOR an 8.5 which you think is a fair score, so do you think than that a 5/5 is fair from litterally the BIGGEST company representing video games in themainstream right now?
I trust no single user review or professional review, I usually look at the bigger picture, meaning that I take in the info that's given in a number of professional reviews as well as user reviews. The bigger picture also means that I grow more and more sceptic towards the skewed view of metacritic user scores, especially since they are so off compared to user score averages on other sites.
I'd have given SWTOR a 4/5, but I think that of more games that got a 5/5 or a 10. If they wanted to give the game a 5/5, well, their choice. I don't need everyone to give games I like or dislike the same score I gave them.
What many people forget is that when it comes to MMORPG's, no professional review as well as no user review that's given within 2 weeks after launch either, will have a good view on endgame gameplay. What they review is often no more than the first 50-100 hours, the leveling experience, and that's often the feel of the combat and questing that'll make a large part of it.
In MMO's in contrast to singleplayer games the gameplay after the first 200 hours often significantly changes compared to the gameplay in the first 100-200 hours.
"Much of the staff — 150 employees by Larry Everett’s estimation — were laid off from the BioWare Austin studios including Senior Community Manager Stephen Reid.
The Republic panel really didn’t know what to make of the situation. Layoffs have become the norm for MMOs shortly after launch, but this one came as a surprise because, according to BioWare leadership, they planned on keeping the same team throughout development."
Oh please! The clowns at EA/Biofail are mimicking the press releases of Greek, Spanish & Italian banks at this point and it is pure bullshit that any non-brainwashed individual can see. Take a peek at the financials this company reported and figure in their existing debt load.
SWTOR is going down and EA/Biofail is going down as well based on the number of investors shorting their stock at this point. The current price is $14.15 and there are multiple puts out there for under $11.00.
SWTOR is a failure and it is going to take a major gaming company down with it when the dust settles. Whoever thought that Biofail would be the death of EA?
I love it!
I will not be suprised to see ATVI buying these clowns out by Q2 of 2013.
Wow, so much hate and lust for wanting to see a company be destroyed
didn't know people could get so ecstatic and eager for seeing other people lose their jobs en mass, only because its company makes games they themselves dislike 
Its a company thats doing badly. If it cant keep up it should go down.
Its business, nothing personal, its teh circle of life.
Hate has nothing to do with it. EA/Biofail bet huge on a business model a larger competitor in the sector already has a lock on.
ATVI will buy them out next year if they see an advantage to doing so. Take a look at their cash reserves; they can afford it easily.
If you consider a big, unscrupulous company buying out another big company and thus getting an even firmer hold and dominance on the market a good thing, then I don't know what to say to you. Bobby Kotick will surely be happy with you cheering him on in his endeavours to transform the gaming market into his vision
All those games you mentioned are mediocre games that also received extra punishment for the ammount of hype that was pumped into them.
"On other game sites" as you say you will find more dedicated gamers and amongst them many more fanboys.
Metacritic isn't a gaming site. It doesn't follow, provide info or promote games in any way therefore fanboys don't use it.
Finally sales do not make a good game.
Solid 8.5 for SWTOR eh... i can see why you are so annoyed at Metacritic.
It's a lot more than the blasphemy they have done to Star Wars. EA needs to go for the betterment of mankind. Just Google EA and you'll learn quickly why it was voted "worst company in America" and by almost twice the votes. That's not worst gaming company, that's worst company of all companies everywhere. It's capitalism gone arye. EA executives are mafia kingpins that make Al Capone look like Aunt Bee. It needs to fall and fall hard as an example. Mr. Spock knew that the needs of the many, are greater than the needs of the few. Or of the one.
Yes, the people that will suffer are the little minions but they will be better off. EA wont simply vanish. It will be up for sale and bought out so maybe that will help cushion the blow as some if not most workers will still have a job. Those that do not are working in a field that is in demand. It may or may not be programing games but there is no shortage of IT jobs and such.
Seriously, Google EA. They are not nice people.
Nonsense, especially if you consider the difference in user rating between ME2 and ME3, it should be obvious to anyone being fair that trolls and haters have flooded the metacritic reviews. Saying that users on other game sites don't count but only those on metacritic is so biased that there's no use even discussing it.
As for SWTOR, I couldn't give one damn about it, but this also means that I'm more objective than fanbois as well as haters, that are only able to see it from their heavily biased and subjective point of view. If other AAA MMORPG's can range in the 8-9 rating range, then SWTOR should be there too. Comparative logic, simple as that.
But hey, I'm not on a crusade against SWTOR like haters/trolls are, nor on a crusade for SWTOR as fanbois are. Claims that metacritic is some ultimate sign of user score average (where as other sites strangely are not) however is just denial of reality. People want to be sceptic, start by being sceptic even of the things that you agree with. Trust nothing, investigate and use common sense and logic in everything.
Sorry, but there are far, far worse companies in the world than game companies. Ignoring the harm that a number of those other corporations have done like banks or weapon trading companies or others have done that have seriously ruined lives and whole populations... there's no comparing.
Besides that, I never said that EA was a nice company (although completely not on the same level of evilness as corporations that have destroyed lives, nations and economies), but neither is Activision Blizzard. Just google Bobby Kotick.
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I wont say the award doesn't deserve some controversy. Bank of America was in 2nd place but not even close to EA. No EA hasn't kicked millions of people out of their homes and erased life savings. But, just how did they get that vote? Please don't try telling me 250,000 butthurt gamers all created accounts on Consumer Reports just to put a thumb in EA's eye.
This topic deserves it's own thread.