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Main reason why SWTOR flopped?
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SWG was dead the day NGE went live. i saw my server drop 3/4 of the population over the course of a night because of it. Every city I went to was empty. The only place I saw anyone was a small band of jedi dancing because its the only thing they could do since melee was destroyed.
I left the next day and never went back.
man, I cant get over the obsession peeps have for sub numbers. Honestly if it has a good community, healthy servers...who cares if it has 100k,200k, or 1mil subs. I would rather play a game that has 10 solid servers and say 100k subs,than a game that has 1mil subs and 500 server,but the servers are speratic at best. there are so many MMOs out now that its going to be hard for ANY MMO to get more than 500k steady subs after 6+ months imo,and from what I have seen.
the main reason as to why SWTOR failed/came short imo was the end game, the journey (for me) was fun,exciting,and enjoyable. after about a week of doing dailies I started to have flash backs of other games..doing the same mechanic at end game. for MMOs to be successful these days (again imo) they need to find new mechanics at end game for players..what that is idk.
SWTOR has NOT flopped though. It still has way more players than most MMORPGs. BW has also made back all the money they spent on development already so it's making BIG profit.
The problem is there are to many servers so the population is spread way to thin. That and people are only logging in for Ops and weeklys at the moment so the numbers on the fleet are lower than they were when most people were leveling.
SWG was not AT ALL a success. It lost most it's players after the first couple of months and most of the content was broken and never really got fixed. The engine was also terrible and ran like crap, combat was seriously broken and leveling was totally dull. All it had going for it were player housing and some parts of the crafting system. It also went completely off the starwars plot for the time period it was set.
I agree.
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The thing is...you had it. And it failed. What do you suppose would change if it came back?
This. The game lost a lot of subs, but it wasn't as bad as I've seen in other games. My friends didn't like the CU and many said that when the game gets to the point that they are forced into roles a la WOW they would leave. When November hit, that is exactly what the my entire guild/city did. I left and came back a couple of times, but usually didn't last long.
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Easy, the espectations were to high. They spent too much on it. Now, if they spent 40 percent of the cost or even half, this would be a mild success. But so much money, they expected 15 million subs.
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SWG did better post NGE than pre-NGE. They certainly did lose a lot of their players, but they gained more than they lost. Not enough to cover the cost of the change...but more players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Only because people subbed for a month to see if it fixed all the problems. But they left again when they saw it didn't
Do you space space spacebar between scenes in movies? Imagine if you did that to every movie you ever watched the first time, lolz. That's what it seems like to people that actually enjoy the story
We are aghast as how you can do this, at least the first time through a storyline 
Alot are generic, granted, but the main story is just that, a great story you're missing out on. If you do it just for the PvP or something then I feel genuinely sad for you loss.
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To me, the only thing lacking in endgame is being able to do it.
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What I recall since I was there, was LA pulled the license because they thought we gamers are too stupid to know what game we're playing. It didn't fail and close due to lack of profit at all.
This TOR game is just now coming on 6 months old, look at your server populations and the cost to keep it running. Do you think it will live 8 1/2 years before LA forces it to close? Do you really?
It was a bone head move by LA no doubt in my mind. Both games could of benefitted off each other since they are in the same genre but polar oposites. Would of gave LA 2 money streams but now LA is in the verge of having no games in this market. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Better financially? I'm an MMO gamer, not a stockbroker, and the game stunk post-NGE. So sorry if I don't think that's "doing better."
This goes to the core of why MMOs are doing poorly now. I vaguely remember a time when developers wanted to make quality games with potential for longevity. I think it might have been a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away or something. I dunno.
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Nice. I try to move away from the SWG straw man, and get punditry from someone to whom sandboxes are anathema. It was a good post, but I'm done with the comparisons to SWG.
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SWTOR flopped? Haven't they sold over 4 million copies of the game?
Yep, but any P2P MMO who had sold more than 2.5 mill of copies and is called swtor, is a fail from a mmorpg.com community point of view.
EA.
or any crap that sold big on one of the biggest IPs in the world and a huge marketing campaign is fail here... but to each their own...
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I think it's just under 2.5mil. Even if they'd sold over 4 mil copies it's unlikely they'd have made their money back yet(probably by quite a bit), considering the retention rate. By the amount they spent on developing and marketing they were expecting wow type numbers.
Flopped could also refer to people expectation, playing time and so on.