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u right, i think im a egocentric person eventhough at least i apreciate the good art and hard work some creative ppl put into a game cause i like spending my time playing games and once in a while come by and check my favorite sites.
The fact they didn't let you pick your server means it's a mess.
Deal with it reddit.
As seen in the second post of the thread, I see some value in SWTOR too and I also convinced(just by talking about the game, not actually trying to convince them) a few of my friends to pick up the game which they are still happily playing with me to this day. I'm anything but a hater.
I simply see the pros and cons of this game for what they are.
tl;dr: not everyone who isn't gushing out positive for the game at every chance is a hater
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
As a current player I'm hard pressed to see the "mess" in being able to find a group for any single thing I've wanted to tackle in game (after not having the option so much). I have been lucky enough that this is the first game I've played that needed to do this and actually pulled it off (unlike SWG) so i'm unaware of what soe did with DCUO or the other game mentioned as to what they did that was so much better.
As far as they way they released the tranfers and any lack of information I see this as much to do about nothing, BW has shown to my satisfaction that if the player base in large enough numbers lets them know something they are doing is a mistake they move pretty quickly to fix it, many added features took months to years in other games that I played that lacked them.
and correct me if i'm wrong but most of what I read about TOR that comes from massively has been negative so I'm not all that trusting of the opinions I read from there.
How?!?!?!For goodness sakes when you start the game there is a huge flash add and at this present time it has links all over the place directing you to the website with all the info on transfers.
I swear talking about TOR is like trying to convince people the ocean isn't on fire. If as a player you like the game but are sick of playhiing with low populations why or how is it going to hurt to actually search for the only relevant information "is my server active in this transfer process and where can I go".
Honestly all that other stuff I keep hearing people talk about like will you be able to trasfer later and all that other crap is simply being used as an excuse to continue to have something to bitch about as far as this game goes.
Most of the other games I've played that went through server issues seemed to take months to years to even impliment server transfers if they ever did it.
That is it.....the information is scattered all over, and that is when it is available.
There was no clear plan of what servers would be moved this week. Instead folks were left guessing. I am a huge BW fan, but damn you gotta call the good with the bad.....and communication has been bad. The actual move itself went smooth, and I have indicated as such.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
To me the biggest complainers & whiners are only so damnedably upset becasue they didn't get to pick their server of destination, regardless of whether they would have picked the server assigned or not, also a few were up in arms that they couldn't cross-type (PvE to PvP etc).
Massively didn't really do much aside from jump on the badwagon a certain disgruntled few were already on, don't read the article as a representation of the whole Massively site, just the opinion of 1 person, the correspondent & their opinion should not be taken to reflect the view of the others there. In that respect a Massively article is no better or worse than a post on MMORPG.com by an articulate writer.
The whining smacks of "but I am frightened of having to pay to make the move I really want to make, so I will cry & complain & hope the methods get changed".
I think BioWare are doing a good job with the transfer process, they have clearly explained their thinking on the choices of destination server & the pace of transfers, there is very little more they could reasonably be expected to do, no matter how well a service like this is managed there will be people that find fault because it's not giving them exactly what they personally wanted in the exact way they wanted to be given it.
Haters gonna hate.
Well I dont play so I wouldnt know. They're probably just calling it like they see it.
The point here is that server merges are happening and from what I know, it was desperately needed. For players I figure thats a great cause for celebration even if it is a little messy at times. If anything I have to give Bioware some kind of nod for finally doing it. Of course they should have done it a long time ago.
Better late than never. At least palyers will get to play with a good sum of other people now, even if the game does seem like a single player game with the ability to play with others. Its the playing with others some deem important. To them this is probably a huge relief so to them Im glad for them.
According to the massively article as linked in the OP, the servers are not mega servers but keeping the "current server landscape".
The other thing that is messy which I have only just realised is that atm this is just for free transfers. There are no paid transfers atm, which should have been in place since day 1.
If the server you have to transfer to has your name, and another does not, then I would pay to transfer to the other server to keep it. It now means transferring now and messing stuff up or wait and pay and maybe they will open up transfers to other servers later. They go PVE-PVE, PVP-PVE and RP-PVE - RP-PVE. I don't mind either PVE or RP-PVE.
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Few? 2.4 million in sales, 1.3 mil sub number given after 30 months free kicks in to pad numbers, a week of Bioware tossing out the idea that F2P is possible...a few...lol.
You CAN like the game and still not force yourself to wear blinders. All you are doing is compounding the issue of the game losing people in mass by allowing player issues to not be heard because you are drowning them out with BS like this. Allow people to be heard by Bioware otherwise they will never figure out why so many people actually left the game. All you are doing is walking face first into a brick wall by blinding defending the game just because YOU like it.
-Finally, a handful of servers show up... people WTF!!!
-Over the next few days, players are left in the dark whether or not they'll be getting transferred and if so, where to.
-Weekend shows up and a bunch of servers are still left wondering who what where how when why.
-Players reporting issues with transfers, BW blames players then comes out and takes responsibility implementing the 'fix'.
-Players having more than 8 characters due to having 5+ on two different servers which were merged into the same destination.
-Queue times again... the problem that caused all of this in the first place.
-Large lag problems in both movement and chat being reported.
Honestly, the only thing that went 'smoothly' was the copy/paste of characters and even then your mileage may vary.
Empathy and understanding, a concept lost upon many.
Except that you're actually trying to convince people that the ocean IS on fire... you just think otherwise from your fandom pov.
Exactly, something most fans are incapable of. Like the few people who left the game and got us into this pickle in the first place. Or was it BW's 'good job' of making too many servers that got us here.Yes, let's KEEP ignoring the civil dissent because that's surely the way to make the game better. -.-;
Calling 'hater' on subscribers who see other's legitimate issues or who have legitimate issues is down right sophomoric and the reason why I'm often and wrongfully called a biodrone when I give SWTOR it's due.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
When your only one claim to fame is $300 million spent on Voice Acting you gotta realize this game would never last.
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GW2's claim to fame is B2P, and some of the twits around here wont STFU about it.....so what is your point? If it is that you can blow numbers out your ass pertaining to the cost of VO, you are doing an admirable job.
People enjoy different aspects when it comes to gaming. Folks are always complaining around here that they want something different, yet when a game is different, it becomes a case of "well it wasnt my kind of different".
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
Have you tried it? It's actually a pretty fun and well thought out game. I doubt B2P has anything to do with why 'twits' won't shut up about it nor it's 'claim to fame'.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
I think you are misrepresenting the problem and blowing things out of proportion. Much like Massively.
I resubbed a few days ago to give myself something to do. My server wasn't up the first day of transfers. Second day it was. I went to my account and moved all my characters to the new server. It took me 10 minutes. As soon as I was done I could log in and play on the new servers. The new servers were packed quickly. It honestly couldn't have went much better.
The complaints seem to be minor things, more people being petty. Like having to reform their guild/possible loss of guild name. Having to change their name. Not wanting to have to move off their server.
I'm sorry you feel that way but you're wrong and there's nothing petty about it. You did nothing to show otherwise and only offered your personal experience. One of many does not make a whole.
I've been through countless server mergers in my over 12 years of MMO gaming. Messy is a perfect description of what happened as 'messy' isn't overly harsh but doesn't ignore the problems.
Messy does not mean horrible, it does not mean broken... it means a mess. (disordered, confusion) Can you still walk through a messy bedroom? sleep? work? get dressed? etc... Some children even have no trouble living in their messy bedrooms and find it harder once it's cleaned.(welcome to being just that) That doesn't mean it's not messy though. A messy bedroom is still a fully functioning bedroom.
Misrepresenting a point of view and then arguing the misrepresented point of view is called a straw man argument.
You say it couldn't have gone better yet I've been through full server mergers that HAVE gone better, so..... yeah. Thanks for trying though.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Way to cherry pick.
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What was messy? How could it have been better?
Let's try and make a case rather than just saying your wrong. Try proving it.
I say misrepresenting because for the most part everyone seems happy about the mergers. You know the people in the game, not the ones on the forums. I have yet to hear a single complaint in game.
You mean like exactly what you're doing? ;p
I already listed some issues. It was in your post when you snip'd my quote.
Oh but here's a few more I found in a matter of 5 minutes (which is quite fast for something that happened 5 days ago on the net)
http://imgur.com/XFwhv
http://i.imgur.com/RYgyg.jpg
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4638398
http://www.reddit.com/r/swtor/comments/uxuew/psa_caution_when_renaming_your_characters/
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=480756
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=4649981#post4649981
Also, remember how I mentioned the word 'confusion' as part of the definition of mess... yeah, there's that with the whole 'wtf is even going on' when Tuesday rolled around. Heck, even BW has stated a few times they didn't know exactly what they were going to do and were taking a 'wait and see' approach. Now, I AGREE with their reasons why lest they screw up even more about this game but nevertheless, that is definitive proof even they didn't know how it was going to go.
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Reddit is a fickle site when it comes to new posts. NOW it may look like I cherry picked but those were the top comments when I made the thread. No need to get ruffled.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
None of those post show any major problems. Like I said for the most part the server transfer was a complete success.
Your nitpicking about minor details and trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Hey, I have an idea. How about you take your own words under advisement and start proving and backing up your opinion with more than 'you're wrong'.
You've obviously made up your mind and resort to nothing but a straw man argument(claiming I said there were major problems... protip, I didn't and neither did Massively. You'd know this if you read the article.) so I'm not going to waste anymore of my time.
P.S. I'm reminded of this http://i.imgur.com/0GIhu.jpg
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
I gave you me example. Which was not messy at all. This mirrored what everybody else in game thought that I ran across. If it was messy you would think people would complain in game. Instead the most common complaint was guild spam.
Please give me you own messy story. All you have done is link people nitpicking because the number of characters is wrong on the selection screen.
Massively complained because certain servers were picked. That's it. It's nitpicking on a minor detail and blowing it out of proportion to drive traffic to their site.
TBH I think you have messy mistaken with minor inconvience.
ADDED Link
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=479377
Forum post about how the Transfer was PERFECT. Most ppl in the thread seem to agree it was fast and smooth.
click. click. click. Character transferred. Login to new server. Load saved UI. Play game.
Yeah that's real messy.
Heck, it even told me that one of my toons had mail.
Did you even read the article? I feel pretty confident I already know the answer.
Tip: The mess is not referring to what you spoke about.
I doubt anyone is arguing the copy and paste capabilities of BW, despite how hard some people in this thread are trying to make it that way with their straw man arguments.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.