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Doom and Gloomers vs White Knigters: Numbers Edition
This!
Something she will never understand unless she creats her own imaginary number, which she is clearly good at doing.
I made an observation...and wonder. EA's stocks nose dive. SWTORS subs nose dive. Coincidence? That is what this thread is about. Nothing more.
...their stock is now valued around the same value as back in 2010 and around 1/3 of the value back in 2008.
SWTOR is just a dent in the road...
Seriously, shape up.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I didn't make the number up. Just google it and you find this. This was the first page from Google,
Analyst believes Star Wars: The Old Republic had a $500 million ...
STAR WARS: The Old Republic - Market Watch Claims SWTOR Cost EA ...
SWTOR rumored to be the most ... - 10 posts - Jan 19, 2012
[unOFFICIAL] SWTOR cost 500 million ... - 10 posts - Jan 18, 2012
500 million dollars - Page 5 - 10 posts - Jan 17, 2012
More results from swtor.com »
The Old Republic cost EA $500 million, MMO a ... | GamesRadar
Star Wars: Old Republic cost EA $500M, says analyst - Star Wars ...
If it is true that SWTOR cost near 500mil... - General Discussion ...
Analyst Says EA Invested $500 Million into Star Wars: The Old ...
Analyst: EA's Spent $500 Million On The Old Republic
Star Wars: The Old Republic cost $200 million to develop ...
PC News: EA 'probably invested $500 million' in The Old Republic ...
Analyst: EA has invested close to $500 million in SWTOR | VG247
/facepalm
Here let me hold your hand and help you out here.
Oh look a bigger picture!
EA Stock
Just to add into the mix. 2008 was a bad year for EA and 2009 got worse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts
2008–present
It was revealed in February 2008 that Electronic Arts had made a takeover bid for rival game company Take-Two Interactive. After its initial offer of US$25 per share, all cash stock transaction offer was rejected by the Take-Two board, EA revised it to US$26 per share, a 64% premium over the previous day's closing price and made the offer known to the public.[32] Rumours had been floating around the Internet prior to the offer about Take-Two possibly being bought over by a bigger company, albeit with Viacom as the potential bidder.[33][34] In May 2008, EA announced that it will purchase the assets of Hands-On Mobile Korea, a South Korean mobile game developer and publisher. The company will become EA Mobile Korea.[35] In September 2008, EA dropped its buyout offer of Take-Two. No reason was given.[36]
As of Nov 6, 2008 it was confirmed that Electronic Arts is closing their Casual Label & merging it with their Hasbro partnership with The Sims Label.[37] EA also confirmed the departure of Kathy Vrabeck, who was given the position as former president of the EA Casual Division in May 2007. EA made this statement about the merger: "We've learned a lot about casual entertainment in the past two years, and found that casual gaming defies a single genre and demographic. With the retirement and departure of Kathy Vrabeck, EA is reorganizing to integrate casual games—development and marketing—into other divisions of our business. We are merging our Casual Studios, Hasbro partnership, and Casual marketing organization with The Sims Label to be a new Sims and Casual Label, where there is a deep compatibility in the product design, marketing and demographics. [...] In the days and weeks ahead, we will make further announcements on the reporting structure for the other businesses in the Casual Label including EA Mobile, Pogo, Media Sales and Online Casual Initiatives. Those businesses remain growth priorities for EA and deserve strong support in a group that will compliment their objectives."[38] This statement comes a week after EA announced it was laying off 6% about 600 of their staff positions & had a US$310 million net loss for the quarter.[39]
Due to the 2008 Economic Crisis, Electronic Arts had a poorer than expected 2008 holiday season, moving it in February 2009 to cut approximately 1100 jobs, which it said represented about 11% of its workforce. It will also close 12 facilities, yet to be identified. Riccitiello, in a conference call with reporters, stated that their poor performance in the fourth quarter was not due entirely to the poor economy, but also to the fact that they did not release any blockbuster titles in the quarter. In the quarter ending December 31, 2008, the company lost US$641 million. As of early May 2009, the subsidiary studio EA Redwood Shores was known as Visceral Games.[40][41] On June 24, 2009, EA announced it will merge two of its development studios, BioWare and Mythic into one single role-playing video game and MMO development powerhouse. The move will actually place Mythic under control of BioWare as Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk will be in direct control of the new entity. The actual impact of this merger remains to be seen.[42]
On November 9, 2009, EA announced its acquisition of social casual games developer Playfish for US$275 million.[43] On the same day, the company announced layoffs of 1500 employees, representing 17% of its workforce, across a number of studios including EA Tiburon, Visceral Games, Mythic and EA Black Box. Also affected were "projects and support activities" that, according to Chief Financial Officer Eric Brown "don't make economic sense",[44] resulting in the shutdown of popular communities such as Battlefield News and the EA Community Team. These layoffs also led to the complete shutdown of Pandemic Studios.[45]
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
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Thank you...good picture...it is even more telling. EA looked to be on the verge of a major upswing in Nov and Dec of last year...and now the stock is at it's lowest since it went public. So yes, thank you.
You said 500 million, and it was hilarious plus you seem like you don't really like anything.
*EDIT*
not worth it, enjoy the ridiculousness! cheers..
LOL the shocking part of the SWTOR cost imo is that they spent 50 million on advertising for 138 million dollar game.
He can google all day, the only ones talking 500M was with the cost of BW added in.
Or folks wanting to make drama queen posts....but you know how that goes around here. I know you would never do something like that on purpose Taela.
I created a thread, I took a number that was in an article...there were lots of numbers tossed around about how much this game cost to make. I think the 500 mill is closer than many people may believe, when you take into cosideration all that went into making this game...I do not believe this game cost less than 250 mil. I think it cost somewhere between 300 and 500 mil. That is my opinion. I am speculating this because EA's stocks have literally tanked since the release of this game. Even though EA has games like BF3, DA, and many others that are quite successful...their stocks are still tanking. Only one thing can be the cause of that. EA gambled on SWOTR being a major success and it isn't paying off. They are losing their shirts on it. That is why their stocks are tanking.
I learned years ago not to own.video game company stock as more than a day trade. It will never make you money. Even activision stock lost most of its value after buying blizzard value a few weeks after the pop. As for the cost of TOR, it wasn't 500 million. It was north of 100 but way under 500.This!
Something she will never understand unless she creats her own imaginary number, which she is clearly good at doing.
I didn't make the number up. Just google it and you find this. This was the first page from Google,
Analyst believes Star Wars: The Old Republic had a $500 million ...
STAR WARS: The Old Republic - Market Watch Claims SWTOR Cost EA ...
SWTOR rumored to be the most ...? - 10 posts - Jan 19, 2012
[unOFFICIAL] SWTOR cost 500 million ...? - 10 posts - Jan 18, 2012
500 million dollars - Page 5? - 10 posts - Jan 17, 2012
More results from swtor.com »
The Old Republic cost EA $500 million, MMO a ... | GamesRadar
Star Wars: Old Republic cost EA $500M, says analyst - Star Wars ...
If it is true that SWTOR cost near 500mil... - General Discussion ...
Analyst Says EA Invested $500 Million into Star Wars: The Old ...
Analyst: EA's Spent $500 Million On The Old Republic
Star Wars: The Old Republic cost $200 million to develop ...
PC News: EA 'probably invested $500 million' in The Old Republic ...
Analyst: EA has invested close to $500 million in SWTOR | VG247
And Time Magazine had a article a month before the 2000 stock crash quoting people saying the Dow was headed to 18000. That worked out well for them.Did you read these sources ? I stopped after the 4th source that was just a site repeating one analyst from Marketwatch. It's the same analyst over and over..and even in one of the sources it says the dude from Marketwatch threw out a 500 mil figure, then two sentences later mentions another analyst says 80 million.
This just shows.. no one effing knows!
Actually, the thread is about you throwing out a ridiculous development cost number when you know full well that the game didn't cost anywhere even close to 500 million to make. The game costed about 150 million or so to make. But you already knew that. Which means you are most likely trying to chum up the waters.
Hehe...
Damn it you beat me! lol!
Well said btw!
Some stuff: EA have made lots of money from box sales? No. EA do not get $60 a box if the box sells for $60; Wal-nart and Amazon take a chunk, the distribution costs, taxes, production costs etc etc. Funcom stated in their post AoC finacial results they got c. 20%. Analysts, averaging boxes and digital, estimated $20 - seemed good to me. So: a minimum of 2.4M + however many more are sat in shops x $20. Maybe $60M.
EA bought Bioware / Pandemic for $620M cash, around $860M allowing for stock options. I think they have now published 13 games (maybe 14). Assume they are all of equal worth and you have a cost of about $45M per game. If they piblish more the investment reduces - but Pandemic isn't going to publish any more of course.
If the game has 300k then thats ........ A LOSS. According to EA's own figures they need 500k to break even on a month to month basis.
EA also said that at 1M subs they would 'make a profit but nothing to write home about'. Now how long for? The speculation was 1 to 2 years depending on sales, advertising etc etc. but you can estimate a cost from this number.
1M for 24 months @ $15 = $360M of which half would be 'running costs' and the other $180M would be cost recovery. Add in $60M, say, from box sales and you get $240M. This won't include the cost of buying Bioware/Pandemic.
EA (JR in a post May ninterview talking about the 1.3M) also said that the sub number they were targetting was 1.2M - which would cover running costs, pay back development and give them a profit.
So it is a big number. allow a chunk for buying Bioware and - based on EA's own statements - you are probably looking at $300M. And everytime they give a free month the cost goes up.
^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^
Bitter people will be bitter, and trolls will troll.
And just to clarify so it's not misunderstood that was the 4th source that was repeating the *same* analyst from Marketwatch : Doug Creutz
Nice catch!
So you are saying that a game that is allegedly pocket change for EA made that?
A company that have 3.6BUSD revenue yearly, that have 1,5BUSD LIQUID, and no you can not deduct the cost for SWTOR from that.
This game, SWTOR, is the sole reason for that?
Or, if you at least try to be honest, to what degree to you believe SWTOR have anything to do with the stocks value.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Hey wait, you said I made the number up and you had never heard of it. I said I did hear of it. You said prove it. I did. So there you go. Right or wrong...you give me a number you can back up and I'll use that number. Until then I am taking the largest number thrown out there because in my opinion, based on the everything we know about what went into the making of this game and I bet it is closer to 500 mil. You can disagree all you want...that is fine...until you can give me a solid number and can back it up I'm going with my opinion.
Um, did you just look at the line or did you start checking what was going on at that first large dip?
Stocks have seemingly forgotten yesterday's rally and are trading south of breakeven in mid-afternoon action, as Wall Street digests euro-zone woes and a lackluster retail sales report. Against this backdrop, 42 securities on the NYSE have touched new annual lows today, compared to 38 at fresh 52-week highs. Similarly, the Nasdaq has racked up 37 new lows, along with 27 annual peaks. Among the stocks making notable moves in today's trading are Genon Energy Inc (GEN), Scotts Miracle-Gro Co (SMG), Electronic Arts Inc. (EA), AT&T Inc. (T), Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ), and Arena Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (ARNA)
And this:
Electronic Arts (EA - 12.60) retreated to a 12-year worst of $12.48 just moments ago, and appears to be on track to close the week under $13 for the first time since June 1999. Today's slide has deepened the shares' year-over-year loss of roughly 45%. Despite EA's technical woes, 12 out of 19 analysts maintain "buy" or better endorsements, with not one "sell" to speak of.
If there is a buy on the stock then that means the stock is undervalued and it's probably set to make a rally. Remember, even the most successful companies can have stocks fall and fall to very low values due to many factors. Oh, I would say that SWToR could be a part of the decline but perhaps that retail report could be a part of it.
Also, did you follow EA stock decline and compare it to what was going on in the market during the decline?
Or did someone else bring this up? Apologies if someone did I didn't read the entire thread.
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Every time someone brings up how much SWTOR cost to develop, the number grows higher. By next near, SWTOR will have cost approximately $5 billion to develop.
No one has seriously invested in EA in years. Was it not just recently deemed to be THE worst company in the US?
And your links are pretty much quoting the same guy over and over. Again, just because some random dude on the internet says a thing, doesn't make it true, no matter how much you want it to be.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
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Congratulations. You didn't make the number up. You just didn't bother to actually read any of the links to your "source," and got called on it. Now instead of being called a liar, you just look foolish.