If it is true that SWTOR cost near 500mil...

mikahr

It wouldnt be surprise that SWTOR had budget of 300m, development costs of 200m+100m marketing.

And it would make certain character right.

Moaky07

Originally posted by mikahr

It wouldnt be surprise that SWTOR had budget of 300m, development costs of 200m+100m marketing.

And it would make certain character right.

OK, and once again even if we go with EAlouse n the 300M it is nothing like 500M that the OP suggests as actual cost.

 

This was a shit stir thread, and some refuse to see it as such. Considering some of these posters history of "discussion" in this forum, it really doesnt come as a shock.

azrael466

Originally posted by Teala

that might explain why EA's stocks are taking a nose dive.    They still haven't recovered the initial investment of making the game and this is hurting their stocks.   They have to pay licensing fees to both Lucas Arts and Simutronics, which I am sure is a huge chunk of change.   Anyway, if it is true that SWTOR cost near 500 million to make...that might explain why EA's stocks are still nose diving.

EA stocks  <<< clicky

As SWTOR subs go...so does EA's stocks it seems.   If you look at the 6 month cycle, you can see that the stocks peeked jsut before the release of the game.  Since then...it's been in a nose dive. 

Look at every other video game company, they're still one of the ones with the highest net worth.

 

coorilation does not imply causation. Its like I'm back in 8th grade again.

cutthecrap

Originally posted by JoeyMMO

Development cost was originally budgetted at $150M, then they ran into some unexpected costs. This took the budget significantly over $200M but nowhere near the then rumored $300M. This was from an interview with EA CEO, CFO or someone else high on the EA ladder.

Without a source (which there isn't, no official one, only thirdparty speculation and guesstimates) this is pretty much meaningless and even a lie

 

Originally posted by azrael466

Look at every other video game company, they're still one of the ones with the highest net worth.

 

coorilation does not imply causation. Its like I'm back in 8th grade again.

Agree.

TheCrow2k

Pretty sure it was 50 million, 25-30 million of which was spent on marketting & hype.

It is quite common for AAA games to spend (waste ?) 60% or more of their budget on marketting.....

superniceguy

Before the game was launched, people were lapping up the $500 million claims, and going "Ooh! This game is going to be awesome, with this much development there is no way it is going to fail"

= 2 milllion sales

Now that it is failing / know what the game is like, getting "... do not believe it cost $500 mill ... "

If it is rumour and not fact, it did EA/Bioware a favour, and hyped the game up, and sold loads.

 

SpectralHunter

I should visit this site more. People are throwing out $500 million like its chump change and that companies can just toss out that kind of budget whenever they want. It's not monopoly money. Even major movies don't get budgets for half a billion dollars. I always figured TOR cost around $100-150 million which is still a ridiculous number. And please OP, tagging the thread "if it's true" doesn't absolve you of making such an outrageous statement. Let me give you an example. [mod edit] 

Demmi77

it's all speculation but the payroll alone assuming the average person made 35,000 a year would be well over 60million. That's just payroll and assuming a very low average wage there.

we arent factoring in voice overs, advertising. There were a ton of commercial spots. Then we have packaging, fees for the ip etc etc.

i'd say a safe assumption for the cost of the game would be anywhere between 200-350 million. The game was in development for a very long time i'd say around 100mil just over that course with the amount of employees on it. the year before it ws released a ton of advertising. You need all your resources, hardware, etc.

EA stock is dropping for a lot of reasons  , not just swtor. I think that it is no coincidence that it's dropping faster because of swtor. Bioware sold out to its fans by going with EA. We all remember what EA did to real time worlds.

cutthecrap

Originally posted by superniceguy

Before the game was launched, people were lapping up the $500 million claims, and going "Ooh! This game is going to be awesome, with this much development there is no way it is going to fail"

= 2 milllion sales

Now that it is failing / know what the game is like, getting "... do not believe it cost $500 mill ... "

If it is rumour and not fact, it did EA/Bioware a favour, and hyped the game up, and sold loads.

This sounds like hilarious nonsense and a strawman argument. Far as I recall, only haters and BW/EA/SWTOR bashers were lapping up the 300 and 500 million dollar quotes as if it came from heaven itself, everyone else didn't believe much of it and thought it was pure bullcrap. Unless you have proof of your claim that on this site it was completely different?

Nope, seems this hasn't changed, looks like haters/critics of the game are still lapping up the 500m dollar claims as if it's heavenly gospel while everyone else again just shakes their heads and wonders about the sanity of people believing numbers like that

proponent

Who really cares at this point?

Moaky07

Originally posted by superniceguy

Before the game was launched, people were lapping up the $500 million claims, and going "Ooh! This game is going to be awesome, with this much development there is no way it is going to fail"

= 2 milllion sales

Now that it is failing / know what the game is like, getting "... do not believe it cost $500 mill ... "

If it is rumour and not fact, it did EA/Bioware a favour, and hyped the game up, and sold loads.

 

Post a link, or you are being chalked up as a friggen liar.

 

 

There was not talk around here of this game costing 500M. Hell 300M was called out as false....now it is 500m? To suggest as such is almost as insane as someone thinking SWG is/was making a comback. Good thing we dont have to deal with any of those types eh?

Moaky07

Originally posted by Demmi77

it's all speculation but the payroll alone assuming the average person made 35,000 a year would be well over 60million. That's just payroll and assuming a very low average wage there.

we arent factoring in voice overs, advertising. There were a ton of commercial spots. Then we have packaging, fees for the ip etc etc.

i'd say a safe assumption for the cost of the game would be anywhere between 200-350 million. The game was in development for a very long time i'd say around 100mil just over that course with the amount of employees on it. the year before it ws released a ton of advertising. You need all your resources, hardware, etc.

EA stock is dropping for a lot of reasons  , not just swtor. I think that it is no coincidence that it's dropping faster because of swtor. Bioware sold out to its fans by going with EA. We all remember what EA did to real time worlds.

Once again, if we go with EAlouse, and the 300M claim, how does that magically become 500M?

 

Analysts were very specific with adding the cost of BW to the actual production cost of game when they mentioned those type of numbers. Now it is somehow simply for production cost.

 

I think some of the haters around here either need to find a game to play, or leave the genre altogether. If being a "gamer" ever turns into trolling a live game forum, I am taking up kniting. I have always felt gaming was about finding something ya like, and having fun with it.

 

This thread is not only refusing to deal with realistic numbers, the ones supporting it cant even take the time to consider where they ever come from. To hate something that much that you spend your time spewing shit in the game forum screams "has issues" to me.

 

I have no use for games like EVE or CoD, but there is no way I would spend my time to spread false shit on their forums. I have no clue what would possess someone to do something like that.

azrael466

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by superniceguy

Before the game was launched, people were lapping up the $500 million claims, and going "Ooh! This game is going to be awesome, with this much development there is no way it is going to fail"

= 2 milllion sales

Now that it is failing / know what the game is like, getting "... do not believe it cost $500 mill ... "

If it is rumour and not fact, it did EA/Bioware a favour, and hyped the game up, and sold loads.

This sounds like hilarious nonsense and a strawman argument. Far as I recall, only haters and BW/EA/SWTOR bashers were lapping up the 300 and 500 million dollar quotes as if it came from heaven itself, everyone else didn't believe much of it and thought it was pure bullcrap. Unless you have proof of your claim that on this site it was completely different?

Nope, seems this hasn't changed, looks like haters/critics of the game are still lapping up the 500m dollar claims as if it's heavenly gospel while everyone else again just shakes their heads and wonders about the sanity of people believing numbers like that

Pretty much this, the haters where all going "lawlz, 500 millz and this game looks like crap!" where as most people where saying "theres no proof of the 500 million budget, all you have is a rumor spread by someone who claims to be a passed EA employee..Even if he was a passed EA employee that just gives him more motive to want to see the game fail"

Siveria

If it is true that the budget was that high I have to honestly ask: What the hell did they waste it on? Th egame is not all that good looking, the gameplay sucks ass because it was just a generic wow clone in a new skin, it wasn't on devoloping a decent mmo either  thats for sure, any mmo that is just a biliant cop[y of wow in a new skin doesn't get any respec from me, or rather themepark mmo's in general with their generic as hell shoveled down one path gameplay and their generic as hell combat systems with nothing done to spice them up.

 

The problem I find with mmo's now a days is they are catering far to much to the solo player, MMO's were ment to be played together with people across all levels, not rush to end game then start grouping for raiding stuff that since your at cap is pretty damn pointless anyway. I haven't played a mmo in recent years since wow's release where it wasn't just a "grind to cap solo then party to raid" lamefest. Maybe this is the problem with mmo,s they need to be made to require grouping back like they used to.

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Scorchien

  200 mill 300 mill 500 mill wtf is the difference the result is the same .........................

 

 

                          

mmoguy43

Originally posted by proponent

Who really cares at this point?

Don't really but Teala needs the drama I guess.

 

 

ON THE PLUS SIDE: SWTOR is actually in fact the best themepark to come out since... a long time.

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itgrowls

Originally posted by Teala

that might explain why EA's stocks are taking a nose dive.    They still haven't recovered the initial investment of making the game and this is hurting their stocks.   They have to pay licensing fees to both Lucas Arts and Simutronics, which I am sure is a huge chunk of change.   Anyway, if it is true that SWTOR cost near 500 million to make...that might explain why EA's stocks are still nose diving.

EA stocks  <<< clicky

As SWTOR subs go...so does EA's stocks it seems.   If you look at the 6 month cycle, you can see that the stocks peeked jsut before the release of the game.  Since then...it's been in a nose dive. 

Why is it so hard for people to accept that people are leaving the game reducing the number of subs and thus causing them to earn less, not being able to pay back their debt and cause the stockholders to run, there is after all only so long that a company can put out crap numbers and misleading interviews before the true numbers get back to the stockholders/investors and they have a jawdropping reaction to how bad their investment actually was compared to (im sure) the glowing "we can't fail due to the IP" presentation someone made to get this rolling.

It's really quite simple. Bad design, customers left, stocks dive.

sk8chalif

1 thing is clear, Its not because its cost more that it will be better,

 

superniceguy

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by superniceguy

Before the game was launched, people were lapping up the $500 million claims, and going "Ooh! This game is going to be awesome, with this much development there is no way it is going to fail"

= 2 milllion sales

Now that it is failing / know what the game is like, getting "... do not believe it cost $500 mill ... "

If it is rumour and not fact, it did EA/Bioware a favour, and hyped the game up, and sold loads.

This sounds like hilarious nonsense and a strawman argument. Far as I recall, only haters and BW/EA/SWTOR bashers were lapping up the 300 and 500 million dollar quotes as if it came from heaven itself, everyone else didn't believe much of it and thought it was pure bullcrap. Unless you have proof of your claim that on this site it was completely different?

Nope, seems this hasn't changed, looks like haters/critics of the game are still lapping up the 500m dollar claims as if it's heavenly gospel while everyone else again just shakes their heads and wonders about the sanity of people believing numbers like that

I never saw anyone so many disputing the $500 million posts before release. There is plenty of proof in this thread that people are disputing it now.

The fans were lapping it up as well, saying with all that money being put in it will kill all other MMOs. I was on the Official SWG forums when all that was going on, so all evidence is now wiped, but is there a thread before release of similar numbers disputing the $500 million on these or other active forums?  I am not lying I just never saw all the disputes.

Why would there be any reason to dispute the claims before release? The final product was not known

Moaky07

Originally posted by azrael466

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Originally posted by superniceguy

Before the game was launched, people were lapping up the $500 million claims, and going "Ooh! This game is going to be awesome, with this much development there is no way it is going to fail"

= 2 milllion sales

Now that it is failing / know what the game is like, getting "... do not believe it cost $500 mill ... "

If it is rumour and not fact, it did EA/Bioware a favour, and hyped the game up, and sold loads.

This sounds like hilarious nonsense and a strawman argument. Far as I recall, only haters and BW/EA/SWTOR bashers were lapping up the 300 and 500 million dollar quotes as if it came from heaven itself, everyone else didn't believe much of it and thought it was pure bullcrap. Unless you have proof of your claim that on this site it was completely different?

Nope, seems this hasn't changed, looks like haters/critics of the game are still lapping up the 500m dollar claims as if it's heavenly gospel while everyone else again just shakes their heads and wonders about the sanity of people believing numbers like that

Pretty much this, the haters where all going "lawlz, 500 millz and this game looks like crap!" where as most people where saying "theres no proof of the 500 million budget, all you have is a rumor spread by someone who claims to be a passed EA employee..Even if he was a passed EA employee that just gives him more motive to want to see the game fail"

The rumor from Louse was 300M....yet somehow it is now 500M by teala. So is Teala a Louse?

Atlan99

Originally posted by itgrowls

 

Why is it so hard for people to accept that people are leaving the game reducing the number of subs and thus causing them to earn less, not being able to pay back their debt and cause the stockholders to run, there is after all only so long that a company can put out crap numbers and misleading interviews before the true numbers get back to the stockholders/investors and they have a jawdropping reaction to how bad their investment actually was compared to (im sure) the glowing "we can't fail due to the IP" presentation someone made to get this rolling.

It's really quite simple. Bad design, customers left, stocks dive.

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1927586551x0x485895/defa6d06-9122-49bd-8bcb-c20a71076abf/Q1%20FY12%20Earnings%20Release%207.26.11%20FINAL.PDF

Probably because it isn't true.

SWTOR may be underperforming, however EA is doing fine.

Moaky07

Originally posted by SpectralHunt
I should visit this site more. People are throwing out $500 million like its chump change and that companies can just toss out that kind of budget whenever they want. It's not monopoly money. Even major movies don't get budgets for half a billion dollars. I always figured TOR cost around $100-150 million which is still a ridiculous number. And please OP, tagging the thread "if it's true" doesn't absolve you of making such an outrageous statement. Let me give you an example. "the OP is actually a 300 pound basement dweller with no life who creates drama threads. If it is true, that explains this thread."

Actually I would say your assertion has a better shot of being true than the OP's premise does.

 

So the general consensus was 150M, and maybe 200M. Louse called it out as 300M, and now we have folks living in fantasy land & crying out 500M.  I wonder what the story will be 10 yrs from now? The game wont have died out overnight, or at 6 months, or a yr, 2 yrs, or 3 yrs like so many predictions.....is the production cost gonna be all that is left to carry on about?