Because UO losing subs to EQ had nothing to do with the fact EQ was the first 3d MMO...right? Your sandbox/themepark arguement kinda sucks. Hard to tell if you have any sandbox fans when PEOPLE DONT MAKE SANDBOX GAMES. It's not because there isn'y players, it's more so lack of imagination, skill, motiviation, actually wanting to make a legit good game.
Probably not.
Diablo 2 .. no 3D .. very popular.
Diablo 3 ...isometric view, not 1st or 3rd person .. very popular, even in this day and age of third person view games.
I bet if EQ done in Diablo 2 graphics, it will beat UO by a mile.
3D was all the rage at that time. CD and sound card were finally standard components, and 3D accelerated video cards were far more common. I agree that peopel playing 2D games weren't going to just jump ship because a remotely similar game came out in 3D, however it's undeniable that 3D was a huge selling point for any type of game back then.
I also remember LOTS Of complaints about ganging and boring clicking on rocks with 100 other players .. so 3D is obviously not the only thing.
UO was relased in 1997.
Diablo was released in 1996 with an expansion in 1997 .. Both super successful. D2 is released in 2000. Super successful. I highly doubt if UO failed to be the first only because of 2D.
Because UO losing subs to EQ had nothing to do with the fact EQ was the first 3d MMO...right? Your sandbox/themepark arguement kinda sucks. Hard to tell if you have any sandbox fans when PEOPLE DONT MAKE SANDBOX GAMES. It's not because there isn'y players, it's more so lack of imagination, skill, motiviation, actually wanting to make a legit good game.
Probably not.
Diablo 2 .. no 3D .. very popular.
Diablo 3 ...isometric view, not 1st or 3rd person .. very popular, even in this day and age of third person view games.
I bet if EQ done in Diablo 2 graphics, it will beat UO by a mile.
3D was all the rage at that time. CD and sound card were finally standard components, and 3D accelerated video cards were far more common. I agree that peopel playing 2D games weren't going to just jump ship because a remotely similar game came out in 3D, however it's undeniable that 3D was a huge selling point for any type of game back then.
I also remember LOTS Of complaints about ganging and boring clicking on rocks with 100 other players .. so 3D is obviously not the only thing.
UO was relased in 1997.
Diablo was released in 1996 with an expansion in 1997 .. Both super successful. D2 is released in 2000. Super successful. I highly doubt if UO failed to be the first only because of 2D.
What are you talking about? Failed to be the first what?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Because UO losing subs to EQ had nothing to do with the fact EQ was the first 3d MMO...right? Your sandbox/themepark arguement kinda sucks. Hard to tell if you have any sandbox fans when PEOPLE DONT MAKE SANDBOX GAMES. It's not because there isn'y players, it's more so lack of imagination, skill, motiviation, actually wanting to make a legit good game.
Probably not.
Diablo 2 .. no 3D .. very popular.
Diablo 3 ...isometric view, not 1st or 3rd person .. very popular, even in this day and age of third person view games.
I bet if EQ done in Diablo 2 graphics, it will beat UO by a mile.
D2 was popular. It still wasn't an MMO. I played D2 for a while until I ran across UO in Babbages (oh yeah, Babbages!) when it used to be a gaming store and not console store (Gamestop).
Diablo 3 isn't one either. It's not very good especially considering the time it took them. I'll stick with my case that I believe "a lot" of sub lose came from the 3d aspect. I noticed a ton of sub lose once Trammel and UOR rolled around.
I love 2d games, but at the time EQ came out it was the only 3d MMO out. I personally didn't switch because EQ came off to me very PvE based at the time (yeah, I know they had a PvP sever) and I, like I said enjoy the 2d aspect if done right. Hell, I wish they would today come out with a UO/Diablo top down MMO worth a shit.
It's not your fault though. Devs today have called everything an MMO and make people think if more than 5 people within the screen than it can be considered an MMO. There is a fuckin' Need for Speed "MMO" coming out for christ sakes.
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I also remember LOTS Of complaints about ganging and boring clicking on rocks with 100 other players .. so 3D is obviously not the only thing.
UO was relased in 1997.
Diablo was released in 1996 with an expansion in 1997 .. Both super successful. D2 is released in 2000. Super successful. I highly doubt if UO failed to be the first only because of 2D.
What are you talking about? Failed to be the first what?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
D2 was popular. It still wasn't an MMO. I played D2 for a while until I ran across UO in Babbages (oh yeah, Babbages!) when it used to be a gaming store and not console store (Gamestop).
Diablo 3 isn't one either. It's not very good especially considering the time it took them. I'll stick with my case that I believe "a lot" of sub lose came from the 3d aspect. I noticed a ton of sub lose once Trammel and UOR rolled around.
I love 2d games, but at the time EQ came out it was the only 3d MMO out. I personally didn't switch because EQ came off to me very PvE based at the time (yeah, I know they had a PvP sever) and I, like I said enjoy the 2d aspect if done right. Hell, I wish they would today come out with a UO/Diablo top down MMO worth a shit.
It's not your fault though. Devs today have called everything an MMO and make people think if more than 5 people within the screen than it can be considered an MMO. There is a fuckin' Need for Speed "MMO" coming out for christ sakes.
When I started reading this thread I could have sworn it was going to be about instanced dungeons, gear grinds,trinity, etc.
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