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Will these be our future headlines?

NanulakNanulak Member UncommonPosts: 372
The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:
  • All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
  • I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
  • The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
  • GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
  • Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
  • Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
  • …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
  • The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
  • “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…
I can see the posts now J

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  • ReesRacerReesRacer Member UncommonPosts: 179

    GW2 is fun (so far), and i'm looking forward to it, but this post made me throw up in my mouth a little.

  • DerivativeDerivative Member UncommonPosts: 85

    To answer your title, no, no those will not be headlines in 2015.

  • ozmonoozmono Member UncommonPosts: 1,211

    haha

     

    I like Guild Wars 2 but I think the community has been a "tad bit" overly excited about it and I cannot see it's impact being so dramitic ;) Who knows though, certainly not me, for example I cannot even tell if the OP is serious of not.

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,400
    Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?

    Philosophy of MMO Game Design

  • RyowulfRyowulf Member UncommonPosts: 664

    GW2 is appealing to me, but even so I'll play it for a bit then turn my interest to the next big thing. MMO players all suffer from ADD these days. GW2 will probably be around, but it will be the 4th expansion and most people will be talking about the newer games.

     

    edit:

    "Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?"

    That's the beauty of it. GW2 just needs to sell boxes. As long as they get decent word of month it doesn't matter how long or often people play. No subs to worry about.

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551
    Originally posted by grogstorm
    The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:
    • All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
    • I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
    • The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
    • GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
    • Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
    • Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
    • …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
    • The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
    • “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…
    I can see the posts now J

    Not a chance

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by grogstorm
     
    • All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..

    That part has already started. Have you seen some of the Elder Scrolls Online features? It's basically GW2 and WoW visit Skyrim, only Skyrim now looks like ass.

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  • KenFisherKenFisher Member UncommonPosts: 5,035
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?

     

    One hundred percent if guaged in terms of cancelled subscriptions.  One of the beauties of buy to play.

     

    In terms of active playerbase, probably a bell curve.  A few drop quickly.  Most play for a while and come back to it fairly regularly.  A few play constantly and never drop.  I think that's pretty much how it works for GW1 also.


    Ken Fisher - Semi retired old fart Network Administrator, now working in Network Security.  I don't Forum PVP.  If you feel I've attacked you, it was probably by accident.  When I don't understand, I ask.  Such is not intended as criticism.
  • ZenonSethZenonSeth Member Posts: 128

    There's people like this in every game, from what I can tell...

    First off, to anyone who's reading stuff like this and being turned off the game by it - the community isn't all like this. People are generally less fanboy-ish.

    As for the prediction itself... I find it hard to think that 3 years from now the MMO gaming companies pumping out mmos will change their gameplay drastically. There's some momentum behind the game decisions companies make. Even if one game is successful at something, for another game to try it out is a risk. Changes will be done slowly over time.

    Some features may be copied slowly (or at least I hope so, actually - like the dynamic events, instead of quest givers/receivers),  but probably not the whole thing.

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,400
    Originally posted by Ryowulf

    GW2 is appealing to me, but even so I'll play it for a bit then turn my interest to the next big thing. MMO players all suffer from ADD these days. GW2 will probably be around, but it will be the 4th expansion and most people will be talking about the newer games. edit:"Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?"That's the beauty of it. GW2 just needs to sell boxes. As long as they get decent word of month it doesn't matter how long or often people play. No subs to worry about.

     

    That wasn't my point. Was talking about population, not subs.

    Philosophy of MMO Game Design

  • tollboothtollbooth Member CommonPosts: 298
    Originally posted by grogstorm
    The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:
    • All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..
    • I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.
    • The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date
    • GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..
    • Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.
    • Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..
    • …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…
    • The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…
    • “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…
    I can see the posts now J

    Ugh threads like this are ruining this website.  Really guys come back to reality.

  • MosesZDMosesZD Member UncommonPosts: 1,361
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?

     

    It's not a retention rate game.   I'm sure it'll be fine.   GW1 had outstanding sales for an MMO (over 7 million unique accounts).   This one is better.

  • Lord.BachusLord.Bachus Member RarePosts: 9,686

    Actually i think that guildwars prooves that games need to be inovative, and all parts of the game need to be of high and consisten quallity when they want to succeed.  

     

    I think GW2 will challenge other developers to be innovative again, and thats exactly what we need... so no copy cats, but it will change the genre, from stale to innovative. 

     

    Or is this just wishfull thinking from my part?

    Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  • FredomSekerZFredomSekerZ Member Posts: 1,156
    Originally posted by heartless
    Originally posted by grogstorm
     
    • All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..

    That part has already started. Have you seen some of the Elder Scrolls Online features? It's basically GW2 and WoW visit Skyrim, only Skyrim now looks like ass.

    You do know they both started developement in the same year, right? How can they be clones of each other? Anyway, mmorpgs are already starting to branch out somewhat from purely cloning WOW anyway, so it's unlikely mmos start copying GW2. Atleast i hope so. The last thing i want is innovation to stop to stat this process all over again.

  • stragen001stragen001 Member UncommonPosts: 1,720

    Slightly off topic, but I really hope one of the headlines is:

    EA declares bancruptcy due to no one wanting to play their poor quality SWTOR clones, and using an outdated payment model

     

    (I dont like EA, can you tell)

    Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom

  • davestr1zldavestr1zl Member Posts: 218
    Originally posted by MosesZD
    Originally posted by MMOExposed
    Anybody wonder what the retention rate will be for gw2?

     

    It's not a retention rate game.   I'm sure it'll be fine.   GW1 had outstanding sales for an MMO (over 7 million unique accounts).   This one is better.

    GW1 sold over 7 million boxes (the number released to which im assuming you're refering was actually 6 million, but that was a couple years ago so it would be higher now obviously), which included every one of the 3 expansion boxes sold. The real number of unique accounts was probably somewhere around ~2-3 million as a guess.

    On topic though: OP are you serious or trolling?

  • VorchVorch Member UncommonPosts: 793
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Actually i think that guildwars prooves that games need to be inovative, and all parts of the game need to be of high and consisten quallity when they want to succeed.  

     

    I think GW2 will challenge other developers to be innovative again, and thats exactly what we need... so no copy cats, but it will change the genre, from stale to innovative. 

     

    Or is this just wishfull thinking from my part?

     

    ^This.

    There are two major things that I believe GW2 brings to industry:

    1. Not only can an MMO can survive without a subscription fee, they are actually better at surviving than most MMOs with subscription fees. From this point on, I believe subscription fees will only serve to cripple the potential of MMOs that come out.

     

    2. Innovation will no longer be one part of development, it will be the goal of development in MMOs

     

    And @ OP, as you can see, I am a fan. However, those headlines are a bit much, wouldn't you say? GW2 doesn't do that much that is new, and it won't be perfect. It will simply set a new standard for what is acceptable in the MMO genre.

    There's no way a game can release that of similar production value and polish as GW2 and then demand a subscription fee anymore.

    "As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days— those are now the only two states you’ll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2

  • davestr1zldavestr1zl Member Posts: 218
    Originally posted by Vorch
    Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

    Actually i think that guildwars prooves that games need to be inovative, and all parts of the game need to be of high and consisten quallity when they want to succeed.  

     

    I think GW2 will challenge other developers to be innovative again, and thats exactly what we need... so no copy cats, but it will change the genre, from stale to innovative. 

     

    Or is this just wishfull thinking from my part?

     

    ^This.

    There are two major things that I believe GW2 brings to industry:

    1. Not only can an MMO can survive without a subscription fee, they are actually better at surviving than most MMOs with subscription fees. From this point on, I believe subscription fees will only serve to cripple the potential of MMOs that come out.

     

    2. Innovation will no longer be one part of development, it will be the goal of development in MMOs

     

    And @ OP, as you can see, I am a fan. However, those headlines are a bit much, wouldn't you say? GW2 doesn't do that much that is new, and it won't be perfect. It will simply set a new standard for what is acceptable in the MMO genre.

    There's no way a game can release that of similar production value and polish as GW2 and then demand a subscription fee anymore.

    Really not sure how either of you can say these things when the game isnt even out yet lol. Dont get me wrong I think the game will do well, but claiming that GW2 proves certain things that are a requirement to be successfull when its not even released is a bit rich in my opinion.

  • WildNatureWildNature Member Posts: 51

    I will likely be playing this game. It allows you to essentially solo while in a group. :) I'm all about solo'ing MMO's because I don't want to have to rely on some kid to my left or right to make sure he's doing what he's got to do. In this game's pvp setting I see no need for pre-arranged groups and if people even do decide to do pre-arranged they won't fare better then anyone else simply because of the numbers.


    * Good, honorable, gamers will continue to pay the bills so freeloaders can enjoy the game.
    * Sandboxers and Carebears are 2 sides to the same coin.

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  • SaydienSaydien Member Posts: 266

    Quite funny with what nonsense some people come up when they are bored while waiting for the release. If there is one damn good reason to release GW2 soon then it is to reduce the amount of such threads.

  • WildNatureWildNature Member Posts: 51

    I've had around 30 people in opposing factions/worlds/whatever fighting me last beta. Was pretty intense. The group that was in chat were all like "OK HERE WE GO! REMEMBER WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT" and since they rushed in before any of us others did...they got wiped out and targetted. I sat and laughed...and got flamed. -__-;


    * Good, honorable, gamers will continue to pay the bills so freeloaders can enjoy the game.
    * Sandboxers and Carebears are 2 sides to the same coin.

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  • GreenishBlueGreenishBlue Member Posts: 263

    Can I haz your stuff?

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  • SlickShoesSlickShoes Member UncommonPosts: 1,019
    Originally posted by 9reesracer9

    GW2 is fun (so far), and i'm looking forward to it, but this post made me throw up in my mouth a little.

    This guy knows whats up!

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  • JoeyMMOJoeyMMO Member UncommonPosts: 1,326
    Originally posted by grogstorm
    The year is 2015 and I am browsing the forums and see a few interesting topics I want to read.  Here are a few of them:
    • All these new games are just trying to copy GW2 without..

    I doubt it will totally change the face of MMO's. Replace GW2 by WoW and you could see a headline that is possible today. I don't think GW2 will simply replace WoW. A lot of people still like WoW.

    • I remember where I was and what I was doing the day GW2 release date was published.

    Annoucing an official release date is not something truly historical. It's just a game, not something like the end of WW2 or the assassination of JFK or something.

    • The day the industry changed forever, GW2 release date

    A release date won't change the industry, get real. If GW2 sold 10M+ boxes in the first month, then the industry might take notice, but games are being developed as we write this up, things aren't going to change over one smash hit, and annoucing a release date isn't quite enough to change much of anything.

    • GW2 clones are popping up everywhere..

    I wish, but I don't think we'll be seeing GW2 clones all over the place. They might take elements from the game, but making GW2 is quite the investment. And doing all that work to not be as good as the original is more of a gamble than making a WoW-clone.

    • Can you remember back when you played a subscription to play a game you already own.

    Not quite impossible, but there are still some games out there that pull this of and GW2 won't please everybody.

    • Once upon a time, back in the dark ages of MMO’s, pre GW2,  we..

    Do we talk about pre-WoW MMO's? And if GW2 is only half the success WoW is we're talking smash hit already. Pre-GW2 carries far too much weight to it.

    • …. has officially declared bankruptcy after their P2P games…

    They"ll adapt if they have to, no CEO is so bent on staying with the P2P formula they'd rather lose the company than change. F2P works, so B2P with cash shop will work too.

    • The un-holy trinity is officially dead since…

    I don't see it pleasing everyone. Some people still like the fixed roles and I doubt everyone will be converted just ilke that.

    • “LF Healer” has hit an official low in all…

    See above.

    I can see the posts now J

     

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