Too little too late? the sub has not even started yet so i have no idea how it is too late? or you just want to throw in some random one liner for cool points?
Too little too late? the sub has not even started yet so i have no idea how it is too late? or you just want to throw in some random one liner for cool points?
I didn't realize that some states charge sales tax while others don't since I never subscribed in USD. I just assumed that they all did.
I noticed a few years back, around 2009 to be exact, that video games were cheaper in the UK than in the US, and it wasn't just sub prices. The company that had made me angry a few years ago was CCP because they had set their subscription rates as if there were parity between the euro and dollar and at that time the euro was quite a bit stronger. I have no idea if they have changed their minds since then as I haven't played in years.
It is true that the higher sub could look bad for FC, but if people really want to play the game, the slightly higher sub price should not be a major deterrant, unless the game goes through one of FC's trademark horrible releases. I think people are making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
I think people are making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
More like trying to find as much dirt as they can to make it look like a mountain. I honestly have no idea why, but some people are just dead set on finding any excuse not to like TSW. It's fine if they don't like it, you don't need to make an excuse not to play it. More likely, they're annoyed that their game isn't out yet, so just want to bash another game because they're bored.
The tell signs for all of this is look how detractors will shift their argument based on logical facts presented.
The question IMO isnt why you are paying more for a sub then the competition in your country, the real question is why have you been paying less for every mmo, then Europe and the US.
Not to mention it makes sense after 10+ years of frozen prices, prices get adjusted, I dont know for you but life didnt get cheaper over the years.
The reason WoW has a lower sub price is that the price was set when the £ was worth more relative to the $ and they haven't changed the price in 8 years.
Thank you! So people are basicly angry FC adjusted the prices using more current exchange ratios. So they are basicly angry now that they have to pay roughly the same as the US and Europe.
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So why is ToR, released only six months ago only £8.99?
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This post shows the why, a hand few are outraged that they now have to pay what the rest of Europe and the US are paying.
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Nope.
The reason why SWTOR charges £8.99 is that they use a Global payment service, friendly to your region.
£11.49 currently = $17.89 and 15 euros = $18.71so not the same as what US are paying
When I first started subbing to SWG, we were charged in USD, and the price was around £10-11 per month depending on the conversion rates at the time. Then SOE started using a company called Global Collect to take our UK payments, and we were then charged a fixed fee of £9.49. Then last year the price then dropped down to £8.99
EVE Online was charging something like £12.99 until a month or so ago, and are now charging £9.99
Any company who charges more than £10 charges in USD and adds VAT to it, instead of using a 3rd party global payment service.
The question IMO isnt why you are paying more for a sub then the competition in your country, the real question is why have you been paying less for every mmo, then Europe and the US.
Not to mention it makes sense after 10+ years of frozen prices, prices get adjusted, I dont know for you but life didnt get cheaper over the years.
The reason WoW has a lower sub price is that the price was set when the £ was worth more relative to the $ and they haven't changed the price in 8 years.
Thank you! So people are basicly angry FC adjusted the prices using more current exchange ratios. So they are basicly angry now that they have to pay roughly the same as the US and Europe.
[mod edit]
So why is ToR, released only six months ago only £8.99?
[mod edit]
This post shows the why, a hand few are outraged that they now have to pay what the rest of Europe and the US are paying.
[mod edit]
Nope.
The reason why SWTOR charges £8.99 is that they use a Global payment service, friendly to your region.
£11.49 currently = $17.89 and 15 euros = $18.71so not the same as what US are paying
When I first started subbing to SWG, we were charged in USD, and the price was around £10-11 per month depending on the conversion rates at the time. Then SOE started using a company called Global Collect to take our UK payments, and we were then charged a fixed fee of £9.49. Then last year the price then dropped down to £8.99
EVE Online was charging something like £12.99 until a month or so ago, and are now charging £9.99
Any company who charges more than £10 charges in USD and adds VAT to it, instead of using a 3rd party global payment service.
The prices should be $15 / £8.99 / 12.99 euros
You are right people arent angry they are paying the same, they are angry they are paying more then others before, except your math is flawed, you didnt take tax into acount, that 11.49 includes tax, without its fairly close to the 15usd the us pays, some states pay more then that 15usd due tax, europeans pay pay 12,99 euro +tax.
So it really comes down to the price now being the same for the UK, US and Europeans.
Sales tax in the UK are 20%. In Germany it's 19%, France has 19.6%, 23% Finland, etc. So UK hasn't any higher sales tax then the rest of europe actually.
And now let's convert the currencies, shall we?
€1 = £0.8
So €15 should be £12, which funnily enough is exactly the prices Funcom is asking for.
Brits should really stop complaining and face the truth that you've been paying way too less for the last ten years, especially for PC-games. Brits were subsidized for the last 20 years allready, and it's damn time to stop this crap.
Indeed. *rolls eyes* Some people really can never be happy it seems.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Not touching it with a barge pole now. Bah! Humbug!
Right, back to cheaper but sustainable aspirations. Even WoW's cheaper, especially in bulk month buying of 3 to 6 months gametime at approx £7 to £8 per month spread over time.
11.49 is a dropped subscription price? What's so good about this MMO that they feel they can charge more per month than say games like WoW? It's not a lot more mind but enough to make me think "hell no".
The question IMO isnt why you are paying more for a sub then the competition in your country, the real question is why have you been paying less for every mmo, then Europe and the US.
Not to mention it makes sense after 10+ years of frozen prices, prices get adjusted, I dont know for you but life didnt get cheaper over the years.
The reason WoW has a lower sub price is that the price was set when the £ was worth more relative to the $ and they haven't changed the price in 8 years.
Thank you! So people are basicly angry FC adjusted the prices using more current exchange ratios. So they are basicly angry now that they have to pay roughly the same as the US and Europe.
[mod edit]
So why is ToR, released only six months ago only £8.99?
[mod edit]
This post shows the why, a hand few are outraged that they now have to pay what the rest of Europe and the US are paying.
[mod edit]
Nope.
The reason why SWTOR charges £8.99 is that they use a Global payment service, friendly to your region.
£11.49 currently = $17.89 and 15 euros = $18.71so not the same as what US are paying
When I first started subbing to SWG, we were charged in USD, and the price was around £10-11 per month depending on the conversion rates at the time. Then SOE started using a company called Global Collect to take our UK payments, and we were then charged a fixed fee of £9.49. Then last year the price then dropped down to £8.99
EVE Online was charging something like £12.99 until a month or so ago, and are now charging £9.99
Any company who charges more than £10 charges in USD and adds VAT to it, instead of using a 3rd party global payment service.
The prices should be $15 / £8.99 / 12.99 euros
You are right people arent angry they are paying the same, they are angry they are paying more then others before, except your math is flawed, you didnt take tax into acount, that 11.49 includes tax, without its fairly close to the 15usd the us pays, some states pay more then that 15usd due tax, europeans pay pay 12,99 euro +tax.
So it really comes down to the price now being the same for the UK, US and Europeans.
It is not the same at all
I did take tax into account, but you are not taking into account companies using Global payment services to get rid of the tax. VAT is only used when paying directly to the US based company ie Funcom.
SOE charged for subs direct back in 2003, and was £10-£11 and then later used a company called Global Collect, and brought the price down to £9.49 and then £8.99
When people were paying £8.99 that is still correct. People were not paying less, and now paying more / the same as all. It all depends on if US based companies can be bothered to use Global payment services to bring the price down to the correct value. Obviously Funcom can not be bothered
Not touching it with a barge pole now. Bah! Humbug!
Right, back to cheaper but sustainable aspirations. Even WoW's cheaper, especially in bulk month buying of 3 to 6 months gametime at approx £7 to £8 per month spread over time.
There will be discounted prices for bulk month buying in TSW too.
I did take tax into account, but you are not taking into account companies using Global payment services to get rid of the tax. VAT is only used when paying directly to the US based company ie Funcom.
SOE charged for subs direct back in 2003, and was £10-£11 and then later used a company called Global Collect, and brought the price down to £9.49 and then £8.99
When people were paying £8.99 that is still correct. People were not paying less, and now paying more / the same as all. It all depends on if US based companies can be bothered to use Global payment services to bring the price down to the correct value. Obviously Funcom can not be bothered
I did take tax into account, but you are not taking into account companies using Global payment services to get rid of the tax. VAT is only used when paying directly to the US based company ie Funcom.
SOE charged for subs direct back in 2003, and was £10-£11 and then later used a company called Global Collect, and brought the price down to £9.49 and then £8.99
When people were paying £8.99 that is still correct. People were not paying less, and now paying more / the same as all. It all depends on if US based companies can be bothered to use Global payment services to bring the price down to the correct value. Obviously Funcom can not be bothered
£8.99 should be the correct fee
But Funcom isn't a US based company.
Must be EA then, but it does have offices in the US
The question IMO isnt why you are paying more for a sub then the competition in your country, the real question is why have you been paying less for every mmo, then Europe and the US.
Not to mention it makes sense after 10+ years of frozen prices, prices get adjusted, I dont know for you but life didnt get cheaper over the years.
The reason WoW has a lower sub price is that the price was set when the £ was worth more relative to the $ and they haven't changed the price in 8 years.
Thank you! So people are basicly angry FC adjusted the prices using more current exchange ratios. So they are basicly angry now that they have to pay roughly the same as the US and Europe.
[mod edit]
So why is ToR, released only six months ago only £8.99?
[mod edit]
This post shows the why, a hand few are outraged that they now have to pay what the rest of Europe and the US are paying.
[mod edit]
Nope.
The reason why SWTOR charges £8.99 is that they use a Global payment service, friendly to your region.
£11.49 currently = $17.89 and 15 euros = $18.71so not the same as what US are paying
When I first started subbing to SWG, we were charged in USD, and the price was around £10-11 per month depending on the conversion rates at the time. Then SOE started using a company called Global Collect to take our UK payments, and we were then charged a fixed fee of £9.49. Then last year the price then dropped down to £8.99
EVE Online was charging something like £12.99 until a month or so ago, and are now charging £9.99
Any company who charges more than £10 charges in USD and adds VAT to it, instead of using a 3rd party global payment service.
The prices should be $15 / £8.99 / 12.99 euros
You are right people arent angry they are paying the same, they are angry they are paying more then others before, except your math is flawed, you didnt take tax into acount, that 11.49 includes tax, without its fairly close to the 15usd the us pays, some states pay more then that 15usd due tax, europeans pay pay 12,99 euro +tax.
So it really comes down to the price now being the same for the UK, US and Europeans.
It is not the same at all
I did take tax into account, but you are not taking into account companies using Global payment services to get rid of the tax. VAT is only used when paying directly to the US based company ie Funcom.
SOE charged for subs direct back in 2003, and was £10-£11 and then later used a company called Global Collect, and brought the price down to £9.49 and then £8.99
When people were paying £8.99 that is still correct. People were not paying less, and now paying more / the same as all. It all depends on if US based companies can be bothered to use Global payment services to bring the price down to the correct value. Obviously Funcom can not be bothered
£8.99 should be the correct fee
Im sure they can use global but then again,they are not obligated to do so. They dont have to find a way for YOU to get out of paying tax for a subscription of a online service.
I fully understand you rather pay 9 instead of 11.
But the bottom line remains , they get the same from you as someone from the US. FC doesnt get a dime from local tax.
Players in select states around the U.S. have found that their monthly subscription fee is slightly higher than expected. With the rise of many online subscription-based services, several states have begun to apply a tax to services that use such a model, and this tax is an additional cost that players are seeing added onto the base subscription rate.
Residents of the following states will be charged this tax:
i think £11.49 is fair considering £2 of that is vat..that would mark it at £9.49 if it was'nt for the greedy uk treasury.personally i would have still paid the £12.99.how long can mmo's just survive on a sub fee of £8.99..its been that price for way too long imo.but thats just my opinion..if you dont want to pay it dont play it..simple..
Not touching it with a barge pole now. Bah! Humbug!
Right, back to cheaper but sustainable aspirations. Even WoW's cheaper, especially in bulk month buying of 3 to 6 months gametime at approx £7 to £8 per month spread over time.
There will be discounted prices for bulk month buying in TSW too.
I'll still take the Blizzard payplan as cheaper in the longterm.
"Can I interest you in a payment plan?" - Goblin vendor, Orgrimmar AH.
I'll still take the Blizzard payplan as cheaper in the longterm.
"Can I interest you in a payment plan?" - Goblin vendor, Orgrimmar AH.
Your two posts here about this very subject only make sense if you choose games based on their subscription price. I haven't played TSW but to me the two games are like apples and oranges. If you wanted to play in a modern world, subbing to WoW won't do you any good.
But again, if you really liked TSW, what does paying £2/month more mean, especially if you get lumps of time? It is still dirtcheap for entertainment.
What an odd way to choose an MMORPG to play. If it were £50/month for a subscription, I would see your point.
I think sub-prices have remained robustly low for a long time, I wouldn't mind paying the extra sub price (though I went Lifetime so I just save even more money than I originally estimated).
My concern is I want to see the game do well, & the sub-price being significantly higher than it's competitors could impact it's appeal quite a lot - though on the other hand I think the game will be a "solid performing niche title" so that is mitigated a little.
I wonder how long other games can maintain a low sub - the answer might lie in aggressive cash shops.
The question IMO isnt why you are paying more for a sub then the competition in your country, the real question is why have you been paying less for every mmo, then Europe and the US.
Not to mention it makes sense after 10+ years of frozen prices, prices get adjusted, I dont know for you but life didnt get cheaper over the years.
The reason WoW has a lower sub price is that the price was set when the £ was worth more relative to the $ and they haven't changed the price in 8 years.
Thank you! So people are basicly angry FC adjusted the prices using more current exchange ratios. So they are basicly angry now that they have to pay roughly the same as the US and Europe.
[mod edit]
So why is ToR, released only six months ago only £8.99?
[mod edit]
This post shows the why, a hand few are outraged that they now have to pay what the rest of Europe and the US are paying.
[mod edit]
Nope.
The reason why SWTOR charges £8.99 is that they use a Global payment service, friendly to your region.
£11.49 currently = $17.89 and 15 euros = $18.71so not the same as what US are paying
When I first started subbing to SWG, we were charged in USD, and the price was around £10-11 per month depending on the conversion rates at the time. Then SOE started using a company called Global Collect to take our UK payments, and we were then charged a fixed fee of £9.49. Then last year the price then dropped down to £8.99
EVE Online was charging something like £12.99 until a month or so ago, and are now charging £9.99
Any company who charges more than £10 charges in USD and adds VAT to it, instead of using a 3rd party global payment service.
The prices should be $15 / £8.99 / 12.99 euros
You are right people arent angry they are paying the same, they are angry they are paying more then others before, except your math is flawed, you didnt take tax into acount, that 11.49 includes tax, without its fairly close to the 15usd the us pays, some states pay more then that 15usd due tax, europeans pay pay 12,99 euro +tax.
So it really comes down to the price now being the same for the UK, US and Europeans.
It is not the same at all
I did take tax into account, but you are not taking into account companies using Global payment services to get rid of the tax. VAT is only used when paying directly to the US based company ie Funcom.
SOE charged for subs direct back in 2003, and was £10-£11 and then later used a company called Global Collect, and brought the price down to £9.49 and then £8.99
When people were paying £8.99 that is still correct. People were not paying less, and now paying more / the same as all. It all depends on if US based companies can be bothered to use Global payment services to bring the price down to the correct value. Obviously Funcom can not be bothered
£8.99 should be the correct fee
Im sure they can use global but then again,they are not obligated to do so. They dont have to find a way for YOU to get out of paying tax for a subscription of a online service.
I fully understand you rather pay 9 instead of 11.
But the bottom line remains , they get the same from you as someone from the US. FC doesnt get a dime from local tax.
Players in select states around the U.S. have found that their monthly subscription fee is slightly higher than expected. With the rise of many online subscription-based services, several states have begun to apply a tax to services that use such a model, and this tax is an additional cost that players are seeing added onto the base subscription rate.
Residents of the following states will be charged this tax:
Arizona
Illinois
New Jersey
New York
Texas
Washington
The Global services just makes you pay what you SHOULD pay for within your country. The taxes and extra fees are only involved when you are paying internationally
The sub fee for MMOs in USD has always been stuck at $15, yet others keep fluctuating. SOE charged $15 back in 2003, and they charge $15 today, but the GBP price has reduced from about £11 to £9.49 to £8.99, because they now use Global Collect.
It is not just for ME, it should be for EVERYONE. I seriously doubt that SOE-Global Collect would generously pay £2 to every subscription, and keep doing it for over 5 years.
But I suppose at the end of the day we are both right, as if I want to I can still pay for my SOE sub in USD, and be charged about £11 after the conversion fee, VAT added and USD-GBP bank charge
SOE has showed that £11 does not have to be, and £8.99 is the true value, if handled right, because I do not see any company paying the taxes for us.
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too little too late.
Too little too late? the sub has not even started yet so i have no idea how it is too late? or you just want to throw in some random one liner for cool points?
*scratches head*
Agree.
Definately one cannot say it is too late.
Interesting thread.
I didn't realize that some states charge sales tax while others don't since I never subscribed in USD. I just assumed that they all did.
I noticed a few years back, around 2009 to be exact, that video games were cheaper in the UK than in the US, and it wasn't just sub prices. The company that had made me angry a few years ago was CCP because they had set their subscription rates as if there were parity between the euro and dollar and at that time the euro was quite a bit stronger. I have no idea if they have changed their minds since then as I haven't played in years.
It is true that the higher sub could look bad for FC, but if people really want to play the game, the slightly higher sub price should not be a major deterrant, unless the game goes through one of FC's trademark horrible releases. I think people are making a mountain out of a mole-hill.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
More like trying to find as much dirt as they can to make it look like a mountain. I honestly have no idea why, but some people are just dead set on finding any excuse not to like TSW. It's fine if they don't like it, you don't need to make an excuse not to play it. More likely, they're annoyed that their game isn't out yet, so just want to bash another game because they're bored.
The tell signs for all of this is look how detractors will shift their argument based on logical facts presented.
Nope.
The reason why SWTOR charges £8.99 is that they use a Global payment service, friendly to your region.
£11.49 currently = $17.89 and 15 euros = $18.71so not the same as what US are paying
When I first started subbing to SWG, we were charged in USD, and the price was around £10-11 per month depending on the conversion rates at the time. Then SOE started using a company called Global Collect to take our UK payments, and we were then charged a fixed fee of £9.49. Then last year the price then dropped down to £8.99
EVE Online was charging something like £12.99 until a month or so ago, and are now charging £9.99
Any company who charges more than £10 charges in USD and adds VAT to it, instead of using a 3rd party global payment service.
The prices should be $15 / £8.99 / 12.99 euros
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You are right people arent angry they are paying the same, they are angry they are paying more then others before, except your math is flawed, you didnt take tax into acount, that 11.49 includes tax, without its fairly close to the 15usd the us pays, some states pay more then that 15usd due tax, europeans pay pay 12,99 euro +tax.
So it really comes down to the price now being the same for the UK, US and Europeans.
Indeed. *rolls eyes* Some people really can never be happy it seems.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Not touching it with a barge pole now. Bah! Humbug!
Right, back to cheaper but sustainable aspirations. Even WoW's cheaper, especially in bulk month buying of 3 to 6 months gametime at approx £7 to £8 per month spread over time.
11.49 is a dropped subscription price? What's so good about this MMO that they feel they can charge more per month than say games like WoW? It's not a lot more mind but enough to make me think "hell no".
It is not the same at all
I did take tax into account, but you are not taking into account companies using Global payment services to get rid of the tax. VAT is only used when paying directly to the US based company ie Funcom.
SOE charged for subs direct back in 2003, and was £10-£11 and then later used a company called Global Collect, and brought the price down to £9.49 and then £8.99
When people were paying £8.99 that is still correct. People were not paying less, and now paying more / the same as all. It all depends on if US based companies can be bothered to use Global payment services to bring the price down to the correct value. Obviously Funcom can not be bothered
£8.99 should be the correct fee
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There will be discounted prices for bulk month buying in TSW too.
But Funcom isn't a US based company.
Must be EA then, but it does have offices in the US
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Im sure they can use global but then again,they are not obligated to do so. They dont have to find a way for YOU to get out of paying tax for a subscription of a online service.
I fully understand you rather pay 9 instead of 11.
But the bottom line remains , they get the same from you as someone from the US. FC doesnt get a dime from local tax.
Copy pasted this from blizzard. http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/subscription-tax-information
Subscription Tax Information
Players in select states around the U.S. have found that their monthly subscription fee is slightly higher than expected. With the rise of many online subscription-based services, several states have begun to apply a tax to services that use such a model, and this tax is an additional cost that players are seeing added onto the base subscription rate.
Residents of the following states will be charged this tax:
EA is handling Distrubution. Funcom isn't owned by EA. They have an office in Durham that's not connected with this game development or distrubution.
i think £11.49 is fair considering £2 of that is vat..that would mark it at £9.49 if it was'nt for the greedy uk treasury.personally i would have still paid the £12.99.how long can mmo's just survive on a sub fee of £8.99..its been that price for way too long imo.but thats just my opinion..if you dont want to pay it dont play it..simple..
I'll still take the Blizzard payplan as cheaper in the longterm.
"Can I interest you in a payment plan?" - Goblin vendor, Orgrimmar AH.
Your two posts here about this very subject only make sense if you choose games based on their subscription price. I haven't played TSW but to me the two games are like apples and oranges. If you wanted to play in a modern world, subbing to WoW won't do you any good.
But again, if you really liked TSW, what does paying £2/month more mean, especially if you get lumps of time? It is still dirtcheap for entertainment.
What an odd way to choose an MMORPG to play. If it were £50/month for a subscription, I would see your point.
Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.
I think sub-prices have remained robustly low for a long time, I wouldn't mind paying the extra sub price (though I went Lifetime so I just save even more money than I originally estimated).
My concern is I want to see the game do well, & the sub-price being significantly higher than it's competitors could impact it's appeal quite a lot - though on the other hand I think the game will be a "solid performing niche title" so that is mitigated a little.
I wonder how long other games can maintain a low sub - the answer might lie in aggressive cash shops.
The Global services just makes you pay what you SHOULD pay for within your country. The taxes and extra fees are only involved when you are paying internationally
The sub fee for MMOs in USD has always been stuck at $15, yet others keep fluctuating. SOE charged $15 back in 2003, and they charge $15 today, but the GBP price has reduced from about £11 to £9.49 to £8.99, because they now use Global Collect.
It is not just for ME, it should be for EVERYONE. I seriously doubt that SOE-Global Collect would generously pay £2 to every subscription, and keep doing it for over 5 years.
But I suppose at the end of the day we are both right, as if I want to I can still pay for my SOE sub in USD, and be charged about £11 after the conversion fee, VAT added and USD-GBP bank charge
SOE has showed that £11 does not have to be, and £8.99 is the true value, if handled right, because I do not see any company paying the taxes for us.
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