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Chemist18
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A simple piece of advice:
If you decide you want to try Eve, the instant you launch from the station, immediately get the hell out of the 1.0 security system. Once you've done that, find a player corporation, join, and let them teach you. That's how I survived. I still fell for the occassional gate camp and such but was able to progress much farther than I otherwise would have. There are some really great groups of folks if you can find them.
NEVER, EVER assume at ANY time in ANY place that you are safe, safety is purely an illusion in Eve. There are players that will gladly sacrifice a ship worth many time what yours is just to get a "kill mail". I say "sacrifice" because after they've killed you the local police will kill them.
The graphics, animations, variety, sounds, etc. are all excellent. The game has very few bugs compared to others I've played and those that are present are not as "game breaking" as some I've run into in other games.
What follows is not an attack on anyone, except perhaps CCP. What follows is essentially, "here's what I saw, maybe you'll see it differently".
(I put that first because I know the trolls will pounce the instant I post)
When I first read about Eve I thought it sounded really cool, reminded me of the old game, Starflight. Exploring uncharted space, meeting alien species, discovering ancient civilizations and technology, etc.
A bunch of us from SWG went to Eve, we were instantly set upon by gankers and greifers. You can't run the tutorial missions because more experienced players that want to ruin your day are constantly harrassing you. Those experienced players know all the tutorial missions, they know Eve has a large learning curve, and they will use it against you every step of the way. Don't bother filing a complaint because you won't like the response you get from CCP. Many existing players see new players as nothing but intruders and CCP apparently agrees with them. I made the mistake of filing a complaint the one time I fell for one of the tricks called "can-flipping". I was in a system I was assured was safe from griefers by the moderator in the "Help" channel. The response I got from CCP was actually rude. Of those that moved with me from SWG, I was the only one left after two days. I've never been a PvPer but most of the others were.
The advertisements talk about all the 1000s of star systems and all the stuff you can do. Well forget it, you will never see most of it. You will spend the vast majority of your time trying not to fall victim to other players whose only goal is to ruin your day.
Think about every jerk, griefer, cheater, and crook you ever heard of that go kicked or banned from another game. You know they didn't quit playing games, they are all thriving in Eve.
After a year I finally gave up trying to play Eve the way I wanted to. If you are willing to play to the least common denominator then you'll do fine. I just don't have it in my make up to spend all my time either dreaming up new ways to screw people over or continually battling others trying to screw me over. Believe me, there are some folks that are HIGHLY talented at ruining your day.
Just realize that very few of the challenges you will face are from Eve itself, they will be from other players.
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Oh please... so much fearmongering and weird advice. Oh, you don't even play EVE. That explains a lot.
I'm a casual who plays EVE, so let's go here...
No, you are the one who is wrong. That or you are deliberately lying. Log into any starter area and you will see containers right outside the stations trying get newbies griefed. The local chat is also flooded by scammers trying to cheat the new players out of what little they have.
Out of interest I just logged in an popped over to amaar prime. Yup, containers right outside the station (with newbie wrecks right next to them) and the usual 'double your isk, no risk!' crap in local.
The OP is right. Always assume everyone in eve is out to grief you, kill you or scam you when you first start. Chances are will be and quickly if you follow any of the advice from Irus.
The open and widespread hostility to newbies in Eve is the first and biggest hurdle any new player will face. If you can get past the first month unscathed you will enjoy the game a great deal more. Most players (from CCPs own admission) do not make it that far.
I appreciate that you didn't come right out with name calling.
As far as playing Eve, my subscription expires in four days.
I started playing Eve in mid 2011. As for player tutorials and such, being in the 1.0 system makes you easier to find. I found an Excellent Player corporation, FLIC. I found some excellent player corps in 0.0 as well, TSOE and Slumdogs to name two. As for banning griefers, I've not hear of a single case where one was banned. At one point we had some new players that were in a 1.0 system that were harrassed for two days by several attack frigates. Several of us arrived in the 1.0 system to see about helping them out, the frigates docked and out came a Rattlesnake among others.
As for fear mongering... Well I spent a year hearing horror stories of corpmates getting suicide ganked in their tanked Hulk well outside of Hulkageddon. During Hulkageddon, my hisec corp decided to keep all mining ships docked, so I found an NRDS area of space with the above mentioned corps to do my mining. I found experienced Eve players that weren't gankers and such to be overall the most paranoid slice of society I've ever encountered.
"The sooner a new player gets accustomed to losing stuff, the better."
That's the same line the gankers and griefers use the whole time they are calling their victims names in local.
Players should be able to "choose" the level of risk they are willing to accept and other players should not be able to deprive them of that decision.
Hisec is supposed to provide safety, with that comes lower quality ores, lower level NPCs, and overall lower returns on time. Low risk, low reward.
The main thing people need to realise about Eve is that it is a pvp game. Any and all activity in eve can bring pvp to your door, the game is just designed that way.
Funny. most of what I have read and seen first hand EVE is a griefing game not a pvp game. Maybe the higher tiers offer more pvp. But getting there is more of a pita than in any other game I have ever played. Not worth the hassle imo at this point in EVE's lifecycle.
You are absolutely right. I did not realize the lengths some players would go to in order to ensure everyone is involved in pvp.
I managed to play for just over a year avoiding pvp with only a few blown up ships. I think I lost a total of 5 ships to other players including the newbie ship in hour one of day one
. Add to that a Rokh, a couple Drakes, and an Orca and you see the picture.
The one thing I found completely unacceptable in my time in Eve was CCP's attitude. I did file a petition my first day, the response from CCP was in fact quite rude.
As for the culture of Eve, don't take my word for it, just check out the this thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/352634/Goonswarm-Hulkageddon-Will-Go-On-Indefinitely.html
lol at this, anyway EVE is a pvp game, you play your gonna die, everyone dies, get over it! Noobs should join Eve university thats wher eyou will learn but again you will die! So get used to dieing, it is part of the game, just make sure you are always training a skill that is useful and is going to help you make isk in the future and you will be fine. Idk what OP has experienced and frankly by the way hes talking I don't think he is cut out for Eve Online. I personally have played Eve for 4 years and I have loved every minute of it.
J. B.
seriously, what do you think that is? some kind of joke? eve is no joke, eve is serious gaming
love it or leave it. but you cant deny it's unique
and yes, if you played wow before (and maybe even ONLY wow), welcome to a new world.
toto, I've a feeling we're not in kansas anymore!
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
I've never been a Pvp'er. People ask me why, I usually respond with "I know I suck, I don't need my face rubbed in it.". In MMOs the successful PvPers are the ones that spend all their time and effort getting the next upgrade, the next piece of gear, the next skill that will get them one step up on others. It's an arms race. In Eve PvP is taken to a much nastier level, one I don't have the heart to play in. I dissappointed that I can't play Eve but not bitter, I just wanted to provide a snapshot of what I saw. I read a lot about Eve before subscribing, I was sill completely unprepared for the level of hostility leveled at new players and those that didn't want to pvp in particular.
Believe it or not I play MMOs because I like to make stuff. Unfortunately there's only ever been one MMO with a "Crafting" system and that was SWG before CU. The rest of MMOs that I've seen have a "manufacturing system" and not a crafting system. Most MMOs crafting system is like one of those wooden puzzles you buy your two year old, you know, the ones with six pieces, each with it's own little handle. They just hide the pieces, sometimes they give them to a raid boss that requires you and your 39 closest friends to go kill him 80 times so everybody can get one.
I played World War II Online for over a year, it's 100% pvp. I had a kill ratio of over 13 to 1 driving a British A13 tank. Germans seemed to think the gray paint on their tanks meant they were camouflaged for driving on the road.
I played SWG for most of eight years.
I'm sorry to say that I did resort to playing wow for a couple years.
I played LOTR online for a couple weeks but it was just wow in a different costume.
So for the time being my wife is stuck spending more time with me
The biggest thing you need to be worried about in high sec as an uncorped noob are the Jita scammers. Hopefully common sense will make you think twice if some one offers to send you 10x the money you send them also look very closely at any contracts that are being offered. Actually just avoid contract all together and only use the market, they have expanded it to the point that contracts are pretty much useless for searching out any item. People gate camp in the cheapest alpha fitted ships possible, typically destroyers, and if they suicide you, it is because you are hauling valuable stuff. Now there are also fishing traps in high sec where people leave cans floating around and if you take the ammo or what ever out of it they can kill you with immunity.
If you want to learn the game in a corp that is trusted EVE wide join EVE University. I didn't go that route but I lucked out and got picked up into a great corp early on.
So for recap, don't fly around with PLEX in your cargohold, stay in .5 and greater until you know what is going on and what to expect in .4 and under, don't try and pvp solo, don't take stuff from other people's boxes, if you are in Jita start building up your block/ignore list of scammers as soon as you get there and the local chat will quickly become useable. I think I have about 1000 people blocked and they are all from Jita and there are always more everytime I go but once you block the couple new ones you can talk in local there. Don't send anyone ISK and don't buy things from contracts. If an offer seems to good to be true, it is. Try EVE University, just google it, they will set you on the right path.
Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!
Haha, just realized that my recap was pretty much as long as the rest of the post.
Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!
I've been playing EvE for the past few months.
The only time I was killed in PVP was in Low-sec
I've AFK parked my pod outside the Jita spaceport for hours at a time and no one touched me.
The OP is exaggerating.
Park a "ship" there for hours and see what happens.
Though to some degree I will side with the OP, but even I have to step in and call BS on some of this persons claims. First off CCP has zero tolerance policy toward messing with new players(called rookies) - zero tolerance - first infraction can get your account a two week ban. They have a list of systems that are considered "new player" or "rookie systems" and if you are caught "flipping-cans" or "baiting" new players into PvP - ban.
Here is a list of the rookie areas and this includes the "Sisters of EVE" tutorial mission system. Rookie Systems List.
There have been many onging discussions between CCP and the players discussing this very topic. CCP has been extremely straight forward and vocal about vets messing with newer players. Here is just one of the discussions about rookie pilots that stretched on for 32 pages over a few days on the forums. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978
I may not agree with everything CCP does and I may have my gripes about EVE, but please do not come to the forum boards and spew BS. People that play the game and know the game read these forums as well and though EVE is a very unforgiving game, it is not as bad as the OP makes it sound like it is.
I parked ships for hours multiple times. I admit I'd prefer not to do that on my 5+ implants clone, but I have definitely parked Executioners on gates in the past before.
Seriously, I'm curious now, I'm gonna park this reaper and happily observe how fucking NOTHING will happen to it. In fact, worst case, I'll have a fucking KILL MAIL ON A REAPER.
Cistuvaert is the system I got nailed in. It happened on 05-May-2011. I couldn't find the text from the response. However the CCP person that responded essentially told me I was an idiot and that I should have fought the griefer even though I was in a noob ship and he was in a T2 assault ship.
This! Eve is a beautiful game and wonderfully complex. But you are dead meat as a new player. This is the only game that I know of the does not want new players. Literally. Everything, from the game complexity to the other players ganking-is-fun attitule, to CCP's attitude (ganking is good philosophy) discourages new players. Just look at the responses to the OP on this thread!
If CCP is so against new player ganking then why do they allow hulkameggon (or something like that). I would belive this if they restricted pvp in 1.0 systems to voluntary but that would violoate their whole philosophy. No. CCP knows what is happening and is fine with it. I had a fun time with Eve but will never go back. I am exactly the type of player that CCP does not want - a care bear.
Sorry that I am re-iterating views that have annoyed CCP (and the hard-core players) for many years. I would be a long term subscriber to Eve. Just give me absolute protection in 1.0 space. Nope. Pissing in the wind. So, like the wind, I am gone. (Yes, good riddance to you too!)
I actually came to mmorpg.com to see what was on the horizon when I noticed the post about Hulkageddon going on indefinitely.
So I thought I'd provide some incite into Eve that I didn't get before I started playing. I read a lot about the game before I started, I obviously missed something along the way. I went in knowing that Eve was primarily a PvP game but thought by choosing to stay in hisec (0.5 and up) I was making a clear choice that I was not interested in PvP. What I failed to realize before hand was that many Eve players expect everyone to play their way or get out.
Given my aversion to PvP and my dislike of people that thrive on ruining play for others, my Eve experience was not positive. Therefore, I have lost interest.
Calling me a liar doesn't make me one. What I described was my perception of my experience which is based on my view of pvp and my view of acceptable behavior.
Heh , in regard of what the OP posted , I've got to agree , being a EVE fanatic for about 6 years , players have changed alot and the game has become a grief / gank fest for kill mails, which is sad. EVE-Online used to have the best players out of any MMO I've played , being experienced and looking for fights against all odds and being victorious. Today though it's a whole different story. Kill mails destroyed the thrill of the hunt , the risks vs the rewards , it's all about over ganking your opposition even if it takes 2 weeks of sitting still to find the best ganking situation , really sad.
Anyways , EVE-Online was a really great experience while it lasted , but the game is now filled with inexperienced players who just don't give a damn.
End of Nations is coming out pretty soon , although it might not be as risky as EVE-Online , at least you get to play on equal grounds and to the best strategic players goes the spoils of war.
I played for 5 months did the tutorials a lots of missions and was never killed once. Of course I left containers that weren't mine alone. Too good to be true applies to floating containers.
Wa min God! Se æx on min heafod is!
If you are flying a mining barge like a retriever, or an exhumer, like a Hulk, you are not a rookie pilot any longer. It takes more than a month of training to get into a retriever and longer to get into a hulk.
Here is an opinion from someone who played eve since the launch and went for years:
1) EVE is the game with most ruthless population from all mmos. People will kill you just because they can and everyone is a target.
2) EVE is the game with most griefers and scammers per player from all mmos. Game mechanics allows it and CCP is fueling it with their bad bad bad decisions and "improvements".
3) EVE is one of the most hardest games for new starters. Learning curve is terribly high and mistakes are paid with game time lost (when you lose isk just because you picked a can floating around for example of when you attacked an ore thief who is there just to provoke you). No other game punishes you for ignorance and lack of experince in that way.
4) EVE is the game with most elitists in the game EVER per player count. The number of people who call themselves leet is astounding.
Having said all this I need to add:
EVE is the game with best PVP in history of all mmos. Nothing beats EVE, despite CCP trying to wreck it for years with stupid additions like supers or poses. EVE survived even that idiocy. EVE pvp is what pvp should be about.
If you can find a group of people that share your interessts the bond between you will be strongest you have ever achieved in any game that ever existed in history of mankind. Some will turn to be your friends for life.
If you can handle blind and ignorant dev company (they really don't know what they have in their hands), idiot kids who believe that they are worth something just because they blow up shuttles in low sec, elitistic wannabe killers who know nothing better then to drop 100 supers on a fleet of 5 T1 frigs, scammers who live to steal and cheat for the sake of it alone, russian rmters who are there to make isk and don't care about anything EVE is about, if you can handle all that then I recommend you give it a try.
I did and I don't regret one minute of it despite me not playing any more.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
Too many if's.
I'm considering to resub because I still have a plex redeemed and several billions in my wallet, and I was just a trader up to now, and I thought maybe I could get some frigates, find a gang and roam low sec.. but that's also where I had my first pvp experience.
Back then I gathered a group in Jita, five people or so, one could scam*, presumably, and we flew around.. in low sec.. and stuff.. for 4 hours or so, and we only ever found one fight, against a Caracal who one-shotted every one of us.
Now if I resubbed, Eve would turn into a chore within 7 minutes and I'd realize that the preparation for pvp alone would take at least an hour and even longer to find a fight, which would be over awesomely quick. :S
And then all the super-technicality. If I read battle reports of Eve, nothing makes sense. It doesn't read like anything exciting ever happens. It's like listening to a bunch of old people discussing their insurance policies.
*lol, I meant scan. But we could scam as well, yep.
Most if not all player corps that invite complete noobs, that don't even bother to do the tutorials, only do so the target noob can waste his time flying to nullsec (probably dying a lot trying to get there too) for their entertainment. If somehow you make it to nullsec they'll blow up your crappy ship, pod you, and laugh at your expense.
Don't say you havn't been warned.
Unles you're extrmely unlucky, Highsec is very safe for new players and a great place to learn.