* The dynamic events aren't emotional enough. They feel truly random and tacked into the game. Everybody just goes and fights at the same time. Feels a LOT like Rift.
* Quests are the same as any other MMO. Only the game walks you to waypoints to get them.
If you are looking for the same old tried and true MMORPG, then go with GW2. You'll get a little bit of Rift, WoW and a few Tera in there.
If you want a game that's intriguing, best graphics to date (PERIOD), awesome NPCs and quests that you remember, and great PvE, then go for TSW.
-M
OP already tried GW2, so the only reason I am quoting is to correct you on the factual errors you made in your post (your opinion is you opinion but facts are facts, lets try to get them right):
By side quests, I assume you mean DEs, and there is voice acting, and its really well done, but you don't go into a cutscene to listen to it.
Graphics aren't dated, so much as this game is designed to be playable by more than just high end computers, though there are still some optimization issues to deal with, as you stated. On max they look great, but the game isn't going for an ultra-realistic look to it.
DEs aren't supposed to be about this anyway...DEs are more about showing the world as a moving place(as opposed to a static place). Also...Rift? REALLY? Whatever, you can have your opinion.
Now that we are done discussing DEs, lets move on to your comment on how quests are the same as in other MMOs...wait...quests in GW2 ARE DEs, which are definetely NOT like other MMOs quests. There are only so many kinds of quests you can do, and yes, TSW has investigations and puzzles, whereas GW2 does not, but aside from that, there really aren't any types of quests or activities that haven't been done before...killing things, defending things, escorting things, delivering things. GW2's quests are different in execution and presentation, therefore, they are different. The thing about waypoints is completely irrelevant to the topic of questing. GW2 has fast travel...what of it?
GW2...tried and true...yeah...well, it is now, at any rate, having been tried and tested by so many people.
Lastly, I found some (not all) of those "awesome NPCs" to be more than mildly disturbing...like the cop on the roof in kingsmouth...well, I never was one for the type of setting the game has anyways...
OK, now that that is out of the way, on to the OT.
Some people like one game over the other for things that have nothing to do with how well made the game is, and I suspect that you (the OP) will like TSW for this reason, as you say you like the setting. All too often I here people writing off fantasy games for their setting alone, and assume that because they are tired of fantasy, that everyone else should be. Well, I like the fantasy genre, and dislike the horror/conspiracy genre (but not because I am tired of it, I just never really thought it was interesting in the first place), so i have recently decided that a game's setting is VERY important to how much an individual gamer will like the game.
Basically, If you like or have no opinion on the setting, you can move on to the rest of what is in the game to decide whether you like it or not. If you dislike the setting, then the player will more than likely not like the game all that much. I would go so far as to say that the setting is more important that the type of game you are playing. For example, I hate FPS games, but I like halo. I like halo (im not all that good at it though) because it has a sci-fi story/setting.
TL;DR
If you like the horror/conspiracy/secret society type of setting, then TSW might be a good game for you. If you like the steampunk fantasy setting, then GW2 will probably be a good fit for you. If you like both, then I would say GW2 is a better long term bet, as I feel it has better gameplay, and is designed for players to play together very easily, regardless of if they are grouped or not. It makes full use of the fact that there are other people playing the game with you without them getting in the way.
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
I have played both Tsw started out great but one you get q10 wpns its nothing more then standing in the central area looking for group. At this time there are 3 Nightmare dungeons with epic loot ea has a 16 hr lock out . The pvp is horrible its either zerg in one map or play king of the hill.
I started playing GW2 this past weekend and loved it the way they handle events is very good. Your personal story is very fun and the pvp is some of the best out there.
Put it to you this way TSW is the only mmo I have not renewed after my free time was used up..
* The dynamic events aren't emotional enough. They feel truly random and tacked into the game. Everybody just goes and fights at the same time. Feels a LOT like Rift.
* Quests are the same as any other MMO. Only the game walks you to waypoints to get them.
If you are looking for the same old tried and true MMORPG, then go with GW2. You'll get a little bit of Rift, WoW and a few Tera in there.
If you want a game that's intriguing, best graphics to date (PERIOD), awesome NPCs and quests that you remember, and great PvE, then go for TSW.
-M
OP already tried GW2, so the only reason I am quoting is to correct you on the factual errors you made in your post (your opinion is you opinion but facts are facts, lets try to get them right):
By side quests, I assume you mean DEs, and there is voice acting, and its really well done, but you don't go into a cutscene to listen to it.
Graphics aren't dated, so much as this game is designed to be playable by more than just high end computers, though there are still some optimization issues to deal with, as you stated. On max they look great, but the game isn't going for an ultra-realistic look to it.
DEs aren't supposed to be about this anyway...DEs are more about showing the world as a moving place(as opposed to a static place). Also...Rift? REALLY? Whatever, you can have your opinion.
Now that we are done discussing DEs, lets move on to your comment on how quests are the same as in other MMOs...wait...quests in GW2 ARE DEs, which are definetely NOT like other MMOs quests. There are only so many kinds of quests you can do, and yes, TSW has investigations and puzzles, whereas GW2 does not, but aside from that, there really aren't any types of quests or activities that haven't been done before...killing things, defending things, escorting things, delivering things. GW2's quests are different in execution and presentation, therefore, they are different. The thing about waypoints is completely irrelevant to the topic of questing. GW2 has fast travel...what of it?
GW2...tried and true...yeah...well, it is now, at any rate, having been tried and tested by so many people.
Lastly, I found some (not all) of those "awesome NPCs" to be more than mildly disturbing...like the cop on the roof in kingsmouth...well, I never was one for the type of setting the game has anyways...
OK, now that that is out of the way, on to the OT.
Some people like one game over the other for things that have nothing to do with how well made the game is, and I suspect that you (the OP) will like TSW for this reason, as you say you like the setting. All too often I here people writing off fantasy games for their setting alone, and assume that because they are tired of fantasy, that everyone else should be. Well, I like the fantasy genre, and dislike the horror/conspiracy genre (but not because I am tired of it, I just never really thought it was interesting in the first place), so i have recently decided that a game's setting is VERY important to how much an individual gamer will like the game.
Basically, If you like or have no opinion on the setting, you can move on to the rest of what is in the game to decide whether you like it or not. If you dislike the setting, then the player will more than likely not like the game all that much. I would go so far as to say that the setting is more important that the type of game you are playing. For example, I hate FPS games, but I like halo. I like halo (im not all that good at it though) because it has a sci-fi story/setting.
TL;DR
If you like the horror/conspiracy/secret society type of setting, then TSW might be a good game for you. If you like the steampunk fantasy setting, then GW2 will probably be a good fit for you. If you like both, then I would say GW2 is a better long term bet, as I feel it has better gameplay, and is designed for players to play together very easily, regardless of if they are grouped or not. It makes full use of the fact that there are other people playing the game with you without them getting in the way.
Well said sir, i will try both (have tried GW2 ) - I will give more feedback on how i liked or dislicked TSW . The videos looked good on youtube
as for GW2 i Liked the beta ime i spent alot . ANd no sub is always a PLUS!!!
depends what are you looking for, from the begging i loved the background world of TSW, but the graphics were out of my taste and the sub model was also a huge negative, on the other side GW2 has a usual fantasy world background its not so much in my personal taste, but everything else was must for my personal taste and i talk about in game graphics, gameplay, PvP
if i talk alot about in game graphics is cause personally if i have to spend a lot of time into a game i want it to be good in aesthetics, i dotn say huge ammounts of pixels, just well designed ! (thats why i never got into WoW...)
I have now spent about 5 hours in TSW - I gotta admit it has that element of "cant stop , i want to find out what is going on...or what is around the next corner " . Im loving the story , the quest , and graphics so far. the quests actually seem to tie into the game and make it seem like your doing something useful. Crafting is alot like minecraft lol , u have to youtube that to understand :P
i will cnt to update this thread with more info as i progress in the game , i just happen to have today off and free time to play .
I have played both Tsw started out great but one you get q10 wpns its nothing more then standing in the central area looking for group. At this time there are 3 Nightmare dungeons with epic loot ea has a 16 hr lock out . The pvp is horrible its either zerg in one map or play king of the hill.
I started playing GW2 this past weekend and loved it the way they handle events is very good. Your personal story is very fun and the pvp is some of the best out there.
Put it to you this way TSW is the only mmo I have not renewed after my free time was used up..
I am just curious, then which 'Themepark mmo' PvP do you think is fun? I really want to know.
To me you gotta go back to the days on DAoC for true RvR in it's prime and Eve Online for intense PvP action (but thats me).
However I am a old school gamer that comes from the old school days of PvP prior to 2004.
To this day the only PvP combats I can truly remember which were monument to me come from Shadowbane, Eve, DAoC, SWG and AO.
TSW is a great game if you're capable to look through the bad/uninspired animations. They improved a lot, but the combat is still terrible. Let's face it - the setting is amazing, the investigation is fun... but most of the time you'll be fighting mobs.
I think it is apersonal opinion and, op, you are going to have to decide for yoruself which one is more you. I prefer TSW to GW2, but thats only because TSW is more my type of game.
I would love to try TSW but since I am in a tight budget atm, for me its GW2 all the way.
I tested the GW2 BWE3 and loved the game. Vast and rich world, plenty of content, replay value, interesting classes and races, fun and engaging PvP, no monthly fee, and the list goes on....
I couldn't manage to get myself to stick with TSW although it wasn't due to the lack of trying. I forced myself to play the entire beta event hoping that it would pick up and start to stick on me, but unfortunately it never did. I haven't looked back since.
Try the 24 hour key but honestly IMO, I'd pick GW 2 between the two, mainly after playing the two.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I like boobies. So I will stick with TSW. Honestly, most if not all these post are biased.
A lot of GW2 features sounds great but everytime I go to the site or look at a video/screenie it is just so gosh darn flamboyantly fantasy .. like a kids game. Rated E. Never liked the first one at all ... but the hype has me (like so many) so I will end up getting it. Hope I enjoy it and can keep from throwing some rainbows up. Most likly though, I will love it but feel so emasculated from playing such a foofoo fantasy game I will have to randomly start fights on my commute.
GW2 has more recreational activities to give you something else to do besides questing and killing. Minigames, general exploration, enviroments that actually promote slowing down, taking it in and even doing some RP. TSW pretty much just has going to the club in London and doing RP or doing some crafting which you will still need to kill mobs to even get the toolkits to do any crafting.
GW2 has a good amount of exploration and discovery. Every area has nooks and crannies that might contain something that you will just outright bypass if you are rushing and not actually exploring your surroundings. TSW exploration is bare minimum. Most you will find is a side mission which will be clearly seen because of the icon and only lasts a few minutes and that is it for the area. Nothing that makes you go "ha, that was awesome!"
GW2 world is larger by quite a bit. GW2 has I believe 27 zones and that is not counting the WvW zones. One city of GW2 can contain all of the cities of TSW multiple times. TSW has only 8 zones, although very pretty, they are not as large as GW2 zones.
GW2 has more vibrance and liveliness within its world. Walking through the world you see npcs going back and forth in the towns and talking to each other, guards walking the paths between the towns and outposts, small critters all about, mobs in packs running around, mobs attacking other mobs, etc. I truly have not seen any form of this in TSW. Everything is very static, only thing you pretty much see are mobs pacing back and forth and players killing them.
Even though I do not really dislike TSW, it has too many shortcomings to justify getting too involved into it when it is already very far behind in many of the systems I like and that increase my immersion. Also, yes, I know they will steadly improve the game, but GW2 will also keep improving.
Played both, liked TSW more. Much more interesting and atmospheric game. But maybe I'll buy GW2 just for PvP while TSW will be my main MMORPG
What I like about TSW is how world was built. It has everything on its place, many stories and NPCs tied to each other, and its very fun to explore. GW2 felt like just another generic fantasy. Ya, good and polished bla bla, but we have tons of those already
Originally posted by essaidi Played GW2 and TSWStill playing: TSWwhy? Well its pretty simple for me, I'm not into games that don't get updated regulerly and that suddenly dies out. The fact that Gw 1 and 2 are F2P makes the updates thin' out, since there ain't going to be money in the long run for Dev's to keep making stuff (don't come with your fanboi crap here at start making shit up, you know its true) also people don't seem to care as much for the rules and such when its a F2P game as when they pay monthly to play it. And also (I will get flamed for this) GW2 is a kiddy game compared to TSW, and I played enough WoW, Warhammer, LoTR, D&D and so on, I'm getting tired of the same old crap (yes it is the same old crap that we all played a million times before) the question you need to ask yourself is simple, If you like an easy "same old" kind'a game, that you don't have to pay monthly for and that has a community full of 10- 16 year old people GW2 is the way to go, If you want to try something brand new something you have not tired before, where you have to pay monthly, and a great adult community you should buy TSW... Flame on kiddos!
Eh wont hear me flamming u. Thats good points! I have def. heard GREAT things about the community in TSW. And im 30+ , i do tend to leave games or not play as much if it turns out to be a younger crowd
Just for reference, no one in our Gw2 guild isnunder 20 and the average age is 30. Also, we don't pretend we're smarter and cooler than anyone else because "our game" has google puzzles. The community in TSW might be awesome, but on the forums you really need to get off this "mature/more intelligent gig" it's tiring beyond belief and a tad silly. Killing zombies isn't in any way more mature or "cooler" than killing dragons.
Just looking for some honest opinions on which you think would be a better long term game to play and give a few reasons why ( i.e graphics, etc etc ) .
Well the first thing to be said for long term is this.
If you buy GW2, you can come and go as you please and not have to pay again. Buy the game, play until you get bored however long or short it is and just come back after a content update.
If you buy TSW, youll have to pay after the first month and judging not only from the feedback of players but from Funcoms history...its going to take a year for TSW to work out its issues and get some depth. Then, every single time you fall for the HYPE of an update you get suckered into paying again to try it out.
Now for the not so obvious.
GW2, smooth graphics, combat and action. TSW...none of that. Graphics are cluncky to say the least and even if you dont hold graphics in high regard...combat animations fall into that catagory and when combat is not smooth looking it makes PvP a pain when dealing with cooldowns.
Speaking of PvP. GW2 is bringing in more than the norm that you get with TSW. Server V Server and the battles can get massive.
GW2 was made for pure fun. PvE is smooth and is open for all, if you like to group you can find them fast or just get placed directly into groups with whoever is in the area at the time which is a boon for soloers as well. The game will only slow down if YOU slow down. TSW...can get gawd awful at times. Its hard, but in a boring way and its more challenging but not in a way thats exciting. The game lacks thrill in all ways but "ooh this seems new". It also lacks in flow and replayability unlike GW2 in which it would be doubtful you will not want to play all races at least once for their unique areas/quests/stories.
lastly, additcability. GW2 even though it seems very simple and basic with what it was bringing was bringing it in a way that had me hooked from the start because everything was moving so fast...in TSW, it was slow and methodical, not intuitive and cumbersome...even the "OMG skill wheel" with tons of choices is overloaded with many skills that are either useless or copies of others.
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OP already tried GW2, so the only reason I am quoting is to correct you on the factual errors you made in your post (your opinion is you opinion but facts are facts, lets try to get them right):
I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.
I have played both Tsw started out great but one you get q10 wpns its nothing more then standing in the central area looking for group. At this time there are 3 Nightmare dungeons with epic loot ea has a 16 hr lock out . The pvp is horrible its either zerg in one map or play king of the hill.
I started playing GW2 this past weekend and loved it the way they handle events is very good. Your personal story is very fun and the pvp is some of the best out there.
Put it to you this way TSW is the only mmo I have not renewed after my free time was used up..
Well said sir, i will try both (have tried GW2 ) - I will give more feedback on how i liked or dislicked TSW . The videos looked good on youtube
as for GW2 i Liked the beta ime i spent alot . ANd no sub is always a PLUS!!!
depends what are you looking for, from the begging i loved the background world of TSW, but the graphics were out of my taste and the sub model was also a huge negative, on the other side GW2 has a usual fantasy world background its not so much in my personal taste, but everything else was must for my personal taste and i talk about in game graphics, gameplay, PvP
if i talk alot about in game graphics is cause personally if i have to spend a lot of time into a game i want it to be good in aesthetics, i dotn say huge ammounts of pixels, just well designed ! (thats why i never got into WoW...)
I have now spent about 5 hours in TSW - I gotta admit it has that element of "cant stop , i want to find out what is going on...or what is around the next corner " . Im loving the story , the quest , and graphics so far. the quests actually seem to tie into the game and make it seem like your doing something useful. Crafting is alot like minecraft lol , u have to youtube that to understand :P
i will cnt to update this thread with more info as i progress in the game , i just happen to have today off and free time to play .
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I am just curious, then which 'Themepark mmo' PvP do you think is fun? I really want to know.
To me you gotta go back to the days on DAoC for true RvR in it's prime and Eve Online for intense PvP action (but thats me).
However I am a old school gamer that comes from the old school days of PvP prior to 2004.
To this day the only PvP combats I can truly remember which were monument to me come from Shadowbane, Eve, DAoC, SWG and AO.
TSW is a great game if you're capable to look through the bad/uninspired animations. They improved a lot, but the combat is still terrible. Let's face it - the setting is amazing, the investigation is fun... but most of the time you'll be fighting mobs.
I think it is apersonal opinion and, op, you are going to have to decide for yoruself which one is more you. I prefer TSW to GW2, but thats only because TSW is more my type of game.
Yeah I disagree.
I prefer TSW, I can see why some of you may like GW2, but it is not for me.
Just to clarify gw2 does have puzzles and just jumping ones.
I would love to try TSW but since I am in a tight budget atm, for me its GW2 all the way.
I tested the GW2 BWE3 and loved the game. Vast and rich world, plenty of content, replay value, interesting classes and races, fun and engaging PvP, no monthly fee, and the list goes on....
Every jump in TSW is a jump challenge. =P
TSW is yet another end game raid mmo, its not for me. i like the freshness of guild wars 2 better.
I couldn't manage to get myself to stick with TSW although it wasn't due to the lack of trying. I forced myself to play the entire beta event hoping that it would pick up and start to stick on me, but unfortunately it never did. I haven't looked back since.
I'll be playing GW2 for sure.
it's a shame that nothing stays fresh forever.
BTW OP, you can just look at the ratings in this site... GW2 has a far bigger number of followers than TSW. so you will probably get more GW2>TSW...
but, of course, you will get some honest opinios too! (few)
After playing guild wars 2 i find it hard to justify paying 15 dollars a month for an mmo.
Try the 24 hour key but honestly IMO, I'd pick GW 2 between the two, mainly after playing the two.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I like boobies. So I will stick with TSW. Honestly, most if not all these post are biased.
A lot of GW2 features sounds great but everytime I go to the site or look at a video/screenie it is just so gosh darn flamboyantly fantasy .. like a kids game. Rated E. Never liked the first one at all ... but the hype has me (like so many) so I will end up getting it. Hope I enjoy it and can keep from throwing some rainbows up. Most likly though, I will love it but feel so emasculated from playing such a foofoo fantasy game I will have to randomly start fights on my commute.
Both boring, but if I had to choose I'd pick GW2. It's just more polished.
GW2 has more recreational activities to give you something else to do besides questing and killing. Minigames, general exploration, enviroments that actually promote slowing down, taking it in and even doing some RP. TSW pretty much just has going to the club in London and doing RP or doing some crafting which you will still need to kill mobs to even get the toolkits to do any crafting.
GW2 has a good amount of exploration and discovery. Every area has nooks and crannies that might contain something that you will just outright bypass if you are rushing and not actually exploring your surroundings. TSW exploration is bare minimum. Most you will find is a side mission which will be clearly seen because of the icon and only lasts a few minutes and that is it for the area. Nothing that makes you go "ha, that was awesome!"
GW2 world is larger by quite a bit. GW2 has I believe 27 zones and that is not counting the WvW zones. One city of GW2 can contain all of the cities of TSW multiple times. TSW has only 8 zones, although very pretty, they are not as large as GW2 zones.
GW2 has more vibrance and liveliness within its world. Walking through the world you see npcs going back and forth in the towns and talking to each other, guards walking the paths between the towns and outposts, small critters all about, mobs in packs running around, mobs attacking other mobs, etc. I truly have not seen any form of this in TSW. Everything is very static, only thing you pretty much see are mobs pacing back and forth and players killing them.
Even though I do not really dislike TSW, it has too many shortcomings to justify getting too involved into it when it is already very far behind in many of the systems I like and that increase my immersion. Also, yes, I know they will steadly improve the game, but GW2 will also keep improving.
BOOYAKA!
I haven't played either and am in no rush to buy either. What little I know about each game tells me GW2 is the champ due to:
1) abandoned trinity
2) No sub
3) better endgame
TSW strikes me as porbably being more fun to progress in but weak at endgame. Plus I don't like Funcom.
Played both, liked TSW more. Much more interesting and atmospheric game. But maybe I'll buy GW2 just for PvP while TSW will be my main MMORPG
What I like about TSW is how world was built. It has everything on its place, many stories and NPCs tied to each other, and its very fun to explore. GW2 felt like just another generic fantasy. Ya, good and polished bla bla, but we have tons of those already
Eh wont hear me flamming u. Thats good points! I have def. heard GREAT things about the community in TSW. And im 30+ , i do tend to leave games or not play as much if it turns out to be a younger crowd
Just for reference, no one in our Gw2 guild isnunder 20 and the average age is 30. Also, we don't pretend we're smarter and cooler than anyone else because "our game" has google puzzles. The community in TSW might be awesome, but on the forums you really need to get off this "mature/more intelligent gig" it's tiring beyond belief and a tad silly. Killing zombies isn't in any way more mature or "cooler" than killing dragons.Well the first thing to be said for long term is this.
If you buy GW2, you can come and go as you please and not have to pay again. Buy the game, play until you get bored however long or short it is and just come back after a content update.
If you buy TSW, youll have to pay after the first month and judging not only from the feedback of players but from Funcoms history...its going to take a year for TSW to work out its issues and get some depth. Then, every single time you fall for the HYPE of an update you get suckered into paying again to try it out.
Now for the not so obvious.
GW2, smooth graphics, combat and action. TSW...none of that. Graphics are cluncky to say the least and even if you dont hold graphics in high regard...combat animations fall into that catagory and when combat is not smooth looking it makes PvP a pain when dealing with cooldowns.
Speaking of PvP. GW2 is bringing in more than the norm that you get with TSW. Server V Server and the battles can get massive.
GW2 was made for pure fun. PvE is smooth and is open for all, if you like to group you can find them fast or just get placed directly into groups with whoever is in the area at the time which is a boon for soloers as well. The game will only slow down if YOU slow down. TSW...can get gawd awful at times. Its hard, but in a boring way and its more challenging but not in a way thats exciting. The game lacks thrill in all ways but "ooh this seems new". It also lacks in flow and replayability unlike GW2 in which it would be doubtful you will not want to play all races at least once for their unique areas/quests/stories.
lastly, additcability. GW2 even though it seems very simple and basic with what it was bringing was bringing it in a way that had me hooked from the start because everything was moving so fast...in TSW, it was slow and methodical, not intuitive and cumbersome...even the "OMG skill wheel" with tons of choices is overloaded with many skills that are either useless or copies of others.