WOW lost 1.1 million subs since january i don't care how many subs the game claims to have, losing that many subs within 6 months is a terrible failure on the part of the dev team.
WoW gained a lot of subs from the East a few years ago to counter their West losses.
WoW had much more than 12 million unique players - they kept their subs and increased them due to new players and not crazy retention numbers.
More than grab WoW players, GW2 will grab new players, preventing them from stop the normal WoW losses - these new players haven't spent tons of money and time with their WoW chars.
GW2 could be better for PvP players. But not for PvE players that are interested in hardcore PvE progression raid content. Its not really the same audience... They are not competing.
New players interested in serious PvE content will prefer WoW. PvP:ers will perhaps try GW2 instead.
Only ~10% of the PvErs in WoW raid.
Granted, with LFR that will increase.
Still, most people in WoW don't raid.
GW2 has much more resources invested in PvE than PvP - saying it is a PvP game is a myth.
What is the PvE endgame in GW2? As far as I know the PvE content is for leveling and character building. But endgame and competition is PvP.
You must compare how much time people with max level characters will spend PvP:ing compared to PvE:ing... I think when you have a maxed out character it will be all about PvP in GW2. At least if you want to have fun and if you want to do it right. There is no endless carrot on a stick, get gear-reset-get new gear, like WoW. A very different endgame... OK, there is arena/e-sport PvP in WoW. But I think GW2 could be better if you like PvP...
Figthing for control of Orr vs AI, playing alts and improving their appearence with legendary items and armor.
Always despised player competition by PvE proxy - it is good for those that have time to waste.
Currently playing: GW2 Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
GW2 could be better for PvP players. But not for PvE players that are interested in hardcore PvE progression raid content. Its not really the same audience... They are not competing.
I agree - people that enjoy raiding for gear will have little interest in GW2
GW2 could be better for PvP players. But not for PvE players that are interested in hardcore PvE progression raid content. Its not really the same audience... They are not competing.
I agree - people that enjoy raiding for gear will have little interest in GW2
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
I was gonna reply to this post, but I was bored with the topic 5 years ago.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
in GW2 - everyone is balanced for power
theres no mandatory gear hamster wheels
some gamers like those mandatory hamster wheels
There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
I thought GW2 wasn't "about the gear" ?
You sayin' that it has the same endgame as all the other "endgame gear progression" MMO's ?
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
I thought GW2 wasn't "about the gear" ?
You sayin' that it has the same endgame as all the other "endgame gear progression" MMO's ?
well it's progression in my eyes because it gets progressively better looking..legendary gear looks awesome and is a challenge to acquire. what more do you want?
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
I thought GW2 wasn't "about the gear" ?
You sayin' that it has the same endgame as all the other "endgame gear progression" MMO's ?
well it's progression in my eyes because it gets progressively better looking..legendary gear looks awesome and is a challenge to acquire. what more do you want?
Originally posted by Istavaan There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
this preference goes way back before WOW
EQ had "raiding for power" back in 1999 -- 5 years before WOW
GW2 has optional gear progression, MMOs like WOW, RIFT, EQ, EQ2, etc do not
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
The key word here is progression, or gear that progresses your character's abilities. This is something GW2 doesn't have.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
I thought GW2 wasn't "about the gear" ?
You sayin' that it has the same endgame as all the other "endgame gear progression" MMO's ?
well it's progression in my eyes because it gets progressively better looking..legendary gear looks awesome and is a challenge to acquire. what more do you want?
GW2 end game is "all game." Your off topic.
Well considering i'm talking about guild wars 2 on a guild wars 2 forum, no i am not.
Originally posted by Badaboom Originally posted by azmundaiI was gonna reply to this post, but I was bored with the topic 5 years ago.
...but this time its real. WoW to GTFO.
wanna buy a brige while you're at it?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
The key word here is progression, or gear that progresses your character's abilities. This is something GW2 doesn't have.
how do you know have you seen the end game gear? nobody has even played end game yet. The end game gear will be better, it just wont be astronomically better like it is in wow, which puts other players at a severe disadvantage.
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
The key word here is progression, or gear that progresses your character's abilities. This is something GW2 doesn't have.
Yes it does. Gear progression exists and is an important part of GW2. It plateaus at some point though. Getting that first set of top end gear will still give players a goal once they hit 80. Different builds will still require different gear and therefor will require the aquisition of different top end gear.
I don't know why people say it has "no" gear progression. They don't add a new gear treadmill requirement every 3 - 6 months to experience new content, but there is definitely progression.
Originally posted by Istavaan nobody has even played end game yet. The end game gear will be better, it just wont be astronomically better like it is in wow, which puts other players at a severe disadvantage.
i dont know how else to say this... different strokes for different folks
some gamers enjoy having a big advantage due to their gear (I'm not one of them)
how do you know have you seen the end game gear? nobody has even played end game yet. The end game gear will be better, it just wont be astronomically better like it is in wow, which puts other players at a severe disadvantage.
I'm going by what A-net has said and fans have spread around here for months. From what I understand end-game gear will offer similar stats across the board, might not be true so you're right about that, however the consensus seems to be gear will not offer an advantage at end-game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Oh joy, I was wondering when these sorts of posts would jump up. I'll say the same thing rabid fanbois said about WAR, AOC, RIFT, SWTOR, when this subject comes up.
For those who have left WOW behind or don't like it, it's difficult to fully understand the hold it has on people. I was personally adicted to it for a year and half. Why is that? There are a number of reasons, it offers a decent amount of different content, (PVP, PVE, exploring, crafting), is accessible, but the biggest reason it has done well is because it offered a lot of those things in a time when many of it's rivals were screwing up left right and centre. That means a lot of people have been loyal to it and a lot of people play, which means your more likely to find people you like to play with. Hence why most people stay with the game, it's usually the community over any content that is the lifeblood of a MMO.
Blizzard have been smart here, there releasing MOP a month after GW2. At best GW2 will have four weeks to prove their game offers more then something like WOW does to the expat. It frankly isn't enough, most of those people who were curious will go back for MOP.
Why? Because for all their high concept talk GW2 doesn't offer that much of a different experience then WOW does, or more of a better experience I should say. The quest system is a reverse of what themeparks have been doing for years, there really isn't much joy in running into another area and finding yet another kill lots of these quests, or help farmer John quest. At least WOW generally gives you a context to what your doing. The PVE is essentially the same as WOW's, you have dungeons and 'hard' dungeons, same as WOW. PVP is battleground based, or Arena style. Why would anyone who likes WOW hang around for that? Hang around in fact to form new communites, communties diverse enough to have people you might like to game with.
WOW is an old game now and will slowly fade away, it;s very dated in many ways and the developers can only keep recycling content for so long, but GW2 is not going to make a dent because it's not as different in a better way to attract WOW fans away.
Or actually it gives context but you prefer to ignore it.
And lets ignore the joy of playing with your level 2 friend with your level 20 character, receiving level appropriate loot, not ruining their experience and still be challanged, all this taking 30 seconds to teleport to your friend from the other side of the world.
WoW PvE experience is solo questing, GW PvE experience is playing with a few or hundreds of other players, without wasting time looking for parties.
You should probably reread what I wrote rather then picking bits out that offended you.
I'm talking about it from a WOW players perspective, which is what this threads about, not about whether you,or I ,like GW2 and if its features are any good.
Put it this way, if your in a WOW guild and you play GW2 do you think there's enough different features which are that much better, too stop you playing WOW and walking away from those people there, to start afreash in GW2? I don't think so.
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
The key word here is progression, or gear that progresses your character's abilities. This is something GW2 doesn't have.
Yes it does. Gear progression exists and is an important part of GW2. It plateaus at some point though. Getting that first set of top end gear will still give players a goal once they hit 80. Different builds will still require different gear and therefor will require the aquisition of different top end gear.
I don't know why people say it has "no" gear progression. They don't add a new gear treadmill requirement every 3 - 6 months to experience new content, but there is definitely progression.
Well I was thinking end-game progression which is what gear grinding has offered. With statements like the plateau of gear at 80, it seems as though progression stops there in terms of gear. As the guy who I replied to even stated visuual rather than numerical.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Some of you are having delusions of grandeur. If you think for one minute that WoW will go with a free to play model due to Gw2, you have just lost your mind. If you think that they won't have ridiculous sales of MoP you are out of your trees. You're letting the small group of people on this forum confuse you about how popular that game is.
If I mention World of Warcraft to ANYONE.. they know what it is. Even family members at get togethers. My 63 year Aunt knows what WoW is. If I mention Guild Wars... a few people even know what the hell I'm talking about. I'm not saying this is everything, but my Aunt is not buying my 13 year old nephew Guild Wars 2... she's buying him WoW cause he won't shut the hell up about it. I was with him the other day and he asked me what I'm currently playing. I told him I was messing around with TSW and was buying Gw2 later this month to jump into that. You know what he said? What is TSW and What is Guild Wars. Now granted, I don't necessarily want a bunch of 13-15 y/o's playing either..lol, I'm just saying, they don't even know what it is.
Warcraft is going nowhere. When Mist comes out, they WILL jump back up over 11 million easily. Just because you hate the game doesn't mean you have to lie to yourself. Just do what I'll be doing. Play Gw2 and be happy.
Doubtful. Never before has any WoW expansion faced such scruitiney, along with the fact that those that left are tired of WoW's mechanic (or a significant amount) and found other games like TSW, TERA, GW2, SWTOR, and whatever else. Some might buy the expansion to try it out but if you think that it will recover their subs then you're deluding yourself. WoW's peak of subs has long since pass since it owned a monopoly on the MMO market practically, decline and stabilization is what's left for it. It will continue to trudge along and be profitable but nowhere near it's former glory.
I don't know why people say it has "no" gear progression. They don't add a new gear treadmill requirement every 3 - 6 months to experience new content, but there is definitely progression.
i said GW2 gear progression is optional - unlike many other mmos
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Figthing for control of Orr vs AI, playing alts and improving their appearence with legendary items and armor.
Always despised player competition by PvE proxy - it is good for those that have time to waste.
Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, 7 Wonders
I agree - people that enjoy raiding for gear will have little interest in GW2
EQ2 fan sites
Have you played guild wars 2 end game? no you haven't so wait till the game is out before you pass judgement. guild wars 2 does have raids they are open world boss raids like how they used be done.
GW2 does not have Gear progression at endgame - some players enjoy that
EQ2 fan sites
so what would you call the legendary weapons and gear sets? how is that not gear progression?
I was gonna reply to this post, but I was bored with the topic 5 years ago.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
...but this time its real. WoW to GTFO.
in GW2 - everyone is balanced for power
theres no mandatory gear hamster wheels
some gamers like those mandatory hamster wheels
EQ2 fan sites
There is a hamster wheel, the legendary gear looks better than any other gear..this hamster wheel is visual rather than numerical. Some gamers only know wow and trying to unbrainwash them is impossible.
I thought GW2 wasn't "about the gear" ?
You sayin' that it has the same endgame as all the other "endgame gear progression" MMO's ?
well it's progression in my eyes because it gets progressively better looking..legendary gear looks awesome and is a challenge to acquire. what more do you want?
GW2 end game is "all game." Your off topic.
this preference goes way back before WOW
EQ had "raiding for power" back in 1999 -- 5 years before WOW
GW2 has optional gear progression, MMOs like WOW, RIFT, EQ, EQ2, etc do not
EQ2 fan sites
The key word here is progression, or gear that progresses your character's abilities. This is something GW2 doesn't have.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well considering i'm talking about guild wars 2 on a guild wars 2 forum, no i am not.
wanna buy a brige while you're at it?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
how do you know have you seen the end game gear? nobody has even played end game yet. The end game gear will be better, it just wont be astronomically better like it is in wow, which puts other players at a severe disadvantage.
Yes it does. Gear progression exists and is an important part of GW2. It plateaus at some point though. Getting that first set of top end gear will still give players a goal once they hit 80. Different builds will still require different gear and therefor will require the aquisition of different top end gear.
I don't know why people say it has "no" gear progression. They don't add a new gear treadmill requirement every 3 - 6 months to experience new content, but there is definitely progression.
i dont know how else to say this... different strokes for different folks
some gamers enjoy having a big advantage due to their gear (I'm not one of them)
EQ2 fan sites
I'm going by what A-net has said and fans have spread around here for months. From what I understand end-game gear will offer similar stats across the board, might not be true so you're right about that, however the consensus seems to be gear will not offer an advantage at end-game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You should probably reread what I wrote rather then picking bits out that offended you.
I'm talking about it from a WOW players perspective, which is what this threads about, not about whether you,or I ,like GW2 and if its features are any good.
Put it this way, if your in a WOW guild and you play GW2 do you think there's enough different features which are that much better, too stop you playing WOW and walking away from those people there, to start afreash in GW2? I don't think so.
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
Well I was thinking end-game progression which is what gear grinding has offered. With statements like the plateau of gear at 80, it seems as though progression stops there in terms of gear. As the guy who I replied to even stated visuual rather than numerical.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Doubtful. Never before has any WoW expansion faced such scruitiney, along with the fact that those that left are tired of WoW's mechanic (or a significant amount) and found other games like TSW, TERA, GW2, SWTOR, and whatever else. Some might buy the expansion to try it out but if you think that it will recover their subs then you're deluding yourself. WoW's peak of subs has long since pass since it owned a monopoly on the MMO market practically, decline and stabilization is what's left for it. It will continue to trudge along and be profitable but nowhere near it's former glory.
i said GW2 gear progression is optional - unlike many other mmos
EQ2 fan sites